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Amazon Provides Update On Crucible, Moving It Back To Closed Beta

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imageAmazon Provides Update On Crucible, Moving It Back To Closed Beta

In a weird turn of events, Amazon is taking the already released Crucible and moving it back to a closed beta according to new update.

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  • RueTheWhirlRueTheWhirl Member UncommonPosts: 33
    So, I actually put over 100 hours into this game. (Somehow) Anyways, I think they could move anywhere with this game. More heroes obviously with each having an ultimate ability. Hero balance. We need some type of travel mode but it can't be too fast and must have a risk/reward element. Travel mode would make farming faster, so maybe make pve enemies (farm) harder to kill which would make team play more engaging.

    There were things I enjoyed about the game such as the great pvp moments that would sometimes happen. Heroes felt unique and the map was decent.

    I think the game needs to improve enemy detail, hit detection, hero abilites and adding an ultimate, communication(lol) and many other things. I'll keep giving this game a chance and will continue to provide bug and gameplay feedback.

    Here's to a better next attempt Crucible!!
    da9elbsBabuinixAllwynd_01chojin2k
  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 5,548
    This game flopped harder than Lawbreakers. It's really embarassing.
    AndrewGoatKyleranOG_Zorvandoomex
  • XodicXodic Member EpicPosts: 1,124
    Even Amazon money can't buy creative talent.

    AndrewGoatKyleraninfomatzScotTacticalZombehOG_Zorvandoomex
  • TxChiefTxChief Member UncommonPosts: 19
    When Breakaway was more entertaining then this pile of rocks.

    john456

  • McSleazMcSleaz Member UncommonPosts: 48

    Xodic said:

    Even Amazon money can't buy creative talent.




    What good is creative talent when the suit-dummies at the top call the shots?
    RueTheWhirlXodicremsleepkitaradPanzerbeorne39TacticalZombehchojin2kMargravedamond5031doomex
  • bwwianakievbwwianakiev Member UncommonPosts: 102
    I honestly respect this.
    XodicRueTheWhirlBlackAdder77DhampirBabuinixmeerclarAlomarTacticalZombehPher0ciouschojin2kand 2 others.
  • XodicXodic Member EpicPosts: 1,124
    edited June 30
    McSleaz said:

    Xodic said:

    Even Amazon money can't buy creative talent.




    What good is creative talent when the suit-dummies at the top call the shots?

    Pretty much. The suit-dummies are the ones that hire, and they wouldn't hire creative minds anyway. The creative process is messy and unpredictable. They don't want anything to do with that risk, so they choose the methodical process instead. That's why their games so far are just uninspired copies of current trends.

    I was reading an article a few years ago while waiting for an appointment about mapping the human mind. Apparently, when they were tracking what parts of the brain were responsible for creativity, they discovered that other parts of the brain and chemicals responsible for long term memory shut down, which is what allows us to find novel solutions. I thought that was amazing. What I found most interesting is that our minds naturally know that the smarter we think we are, the dumber we become. Our brain literally blockades our memory in order for us to think about things in new perspectives.

    So, I guess what I should have said is "Not even Amazon money is spent on creative talent.".
    RueTheWhirlPanzerbeorne39TacticalZombeh
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 17,512
    edited June 30
    Another shooter the gaming market didn't want or need.Amazon must have poor leadership atop their gaming department.

    TNW is in  a genre that really doesn't have one single big player,so it is a market they COULD cash in on but they won't because their game will be ho hum.They might sell well initially but the game will be dead within 2-3 months.



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    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 14,175
    Not a bad move but just plain weird lol.
    “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
    ― CD PROJEKT RED

    "... the "influencers" which is the tech name we call sell outs now..."
    __ Wizardry, 2020
  • BlackAdder77BlackAdder77 Member UncommonPosts: 26


    I honestly respect this.



    Feel the same way. Think of this them realizing the game is not good, and they wanna improve it.
    Think we can all name dozens of games that should have went straight back to alphas and betas upon release, but they didnt because companies didn't wanna lose money. They could have just buried the game, and not look at it again, instead they wanna take a chance and try to turnaround a game that already has a bad rep.
    TBH Respect
  • remsleepremsleep Member UncommonPosts: 195
    Amazon game studios is quickly becoming the laughing stock of video game development. 

    Remember a few years back when so many of us thought they would be the shining beacon of western mmo development.... yikes 
    KyleranAllwynd_01infomatzTacticalZombehOG_Zorvanstrawhat0981
  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member RarePosts: 1,870
    This part should throw up red flags in every direction

    "Additionally, the team will be setting aside weekly play sessions to jump into the beta with players and get feedback. They will also be adding a council of players to work closely with from all play styles, casual to the hardcore competitive players."

    Some of these developers make over 100k a year and they are now again playing the "feedback from players" card like they did with New World. The player feedback card is essentially a excuse card that they can fall back on to validate any decision they make cause no one can ever verify if any feedback was ever really given. "Players told us" can never be proven and they know that. It's the same as "a guy told me on the street".

    Let's view this from another angle for a moment... Add up all the developer's salaries currently working at AGS and it's in the millions. So people PAID to develop a game collecting 100k paychecks have no idea what to do and have to now ask regular gamers for advice who know absolutely ZERO about game development? THEY LAUNCHED, charged people for stuff and are now asking for a do over BUT there is no guarantee the game will ever be re-launched because of the scheme they are pulling is part of what I described above. If they said 3 months from now "player FEEDBACK pointed us towards shelving the game because it wasn't good enough and there's nothing we can do to fix it". Oh well, who cares cause at the end of the day the devs still get paid even if they produce nothing..

    I said it in a couple threads before but will say it again, the AGS devs are just prolonging their Amazon paycheck as long as possible until someone higher up finally realizes they are useless and shuts the entire studio down. By that time some of them would have already collected well over a million in pay so the stall scheme ends up being a good LEGAL racket.

    Crowdfunded MMO games figured out a way to fleece the public for a never ending stream of funds. These guys figured out a way to fleece Amazon for a never ending stream of funds.
    Ridelynnonemorecupcakeinfomatz
  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,154
    Can't wait for New World to release and go right back into beta a month after....and it hasn't even gone into beta yet...
    Alomar
  • XodicXodic Member EpicPosts: 1,124
    Albatroes said:
    Can't wait for New World to release and go right back into beta a month after....and it hasn't even gone into beta yet...
    If that happens it will be too confusing to talk about it.

    The old New World, or the new New World?
    New World.
    Right, but the old one or the new one?
    ...
    infomatzstrawhat0981rojoArcueidTiamat64Psym0n
  • ultimateduckultimateduck Member RarePosts: 748

    remsleep said:

    Amazon game studios is quickly becoming the laughing stock of video game development. 

    Remember a few years back when so many of us thought they would be the shining beacon of western mmo development.... yikes 



    To be fair, every game developer is the laughing stock of game development on these forums. I haven't seen a game released that had more people liking it than bashing it for a few years on these boards. Wolcen was close but that love ended pretty fast.

    One might think the people here either don't actually like games or their standards are so high that there will never be a game that they will deem acceptable.
    SovrathsschruppPher0ciousrojoArcueid
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 28,264

    remsleep said:

    Amazon game studios is quickly becoming the laughing stock of video game development. 

    Remember a few years back when so many of us thought they would be the shining beacon of western mmo development.... yikes 



    To be fair, every game developer is the laughing stock of game development on these forums. I haven't seen a game released that had more people liking it than bashing it for a few years on these boards. Wolcen was close but that love ended pretty fast.

    One might think the people here either don't actually like games or their standards are so high that there will never be a game that they will deem acceptable.

    I was thinking this today when I was going through the cyber punk hands on videos. I was thinking "this is going to come out, looking as amazing as it does and some group or other is going to tear it down because it didn't' match the game in their heads."
    TacticalZombehultimateduckrojoArcueid



  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 14,175
    Sovrath said:

    remsleep said:

    Amazon game studios is quickly becoming the laughing stock of video game development. 

    Remember a few years back when so many of us thought they would be the shining beacon of western mmo development.... yikes 



    To be fair, every game developer is the laughing stock of game development on these forums. I haven't seen a game released that had more people liking it than bashing it for a few years on these boards. Wolcen was close but that love ended pretty fast.

    One might think the people here either don't actually like games or their standards are so high that there will never be a game that they will deem acceptable.

    I was thinking this today when I was going through the cyber punk hands on videos. I was thinking "this is going to come out, looking as amazing as it does and some group or other is going to tear it down because it didn't' match the game in their heads."
    People have different tastes and they're not shy about expressing it here. I wouldn't have it any other way.

    Echo chambers are boring AF.
    XodicMendel
    “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
    ― CD PROJEKT RED

    "... the "influencers" which is the tech name we call sell outs now..."
    __ Wizardry, 2020
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 35,982

    remsleep said:

    Amazon game studios is quickly becoming the laughing stock of video game development. 

    Remember a few years back when so many of us thought they would be the shining beacon of western mmo development.... yikes 



    To be fair, every game developer is the laughing stock of game development on these forums. I haven't seen a game released that had more people liking it than bashing it for a few years on these boards. Wolcen was close but that love ended pretty fast.

    One might think the people here either don't actually like games or their standards are so high that there will never be a game that they will deem acceptable.
    Or... most games released these days are actually shit.

    I'm going with that theory.


    XodicremsleepIselinonemorecupcakeAlomar

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    "I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant

    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing FO76 at the moment.

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  • BlackAdder77BlackAdder77 Member UncommonPosts: 26

    Sovrath said:





    remsleep said:


    Amazon game studios is quickly becoming the laughing stock of video game development. 

    Remember a few years back when so many of us thought they would be the shining beacon of western mmo development.... yikes 






    To be fair, every game developer is the laughing stock of game development on these forums. I haven't seen a game released that had more people liking it than bashing it for a few years on these boards. Wolcen was close but that love ended pretty fast.



    One might think the people here either don't actually like games or their standards are so high that there will never be a game that they will deem acceptable.



    I was thinking this today when I was going through the cyber punk hands on videos. I was thinking "this is going to come out, looking as amazing as it does and some group or other is going to tear it down because it didn't' match the game in their heads."



    I mean, you can see by this site alone. I am a long ass lurker and its like you can spot a pattern. A game announces an expansion, something positive happens, barely a comment. Something bad happens, its a shit storm within an hour.
    If something is broken, you should stop selling it. This is a positive thing. Unless y'all prefer a unreachable customer service and abandoned slowly dying game within a few months (like so many companies did).
  • remsleepremsleep Member UncommonPosts: 195
    Kyleran said:

    remsleep said:

    Amazon game studios is quickly becoming the laughing stock of video game development. 

    Remember a few years back when so many of us thought they would be the shining beacon of western mmo development.... yikes 



    To be fair, every game developer is the laughing stock of game development on these forums. I haven't seen a game released that had more people liking it than bashing it for a few years on these boards. Wolcen was close but that love ended pretty fast.

    One might think the people here either don't actually like games or their standards are so high that there will never be a game that they will deem acceptable.
    Or... most games released these days are actually shit.

    I'm going with that theory.


    Considering the overwhelming evidence, I'd say it's quite a bit more than just a theory 
    KyleraninfomatzAlomar
  • YashaXYashaX Member EpicPosts: 2,506
    BruceYee said:
    This part should throw up red flags in every direction

    "Additionally, the team will be setting aside weekly play sessions to jump into the beta with players and get feedback. They will also be adding a council of players to work closely with from all play styles, casual to the hardcore competitive players."

    Some of these developers make over 100k a year and they are now again playing the "feedback from players" card like they did with New World. The player feedback card is essentially a excuse card that they can fall back on to validate any decision they make cause no one can ever verify if any feedback was ever really given. "Players told us" can never be proven and they know that. It's the same as "a guy told me on the street".

    Let's view this from another angle for a moment... Add up all the developer's salaries currently working at AGS and it's in the millions. So people PAID to develop a game collecting 100k paychecks have no idea what to do and have to now ask regular gamers for advice who know absolutely ZERO about game development? THEY LAUNCHED, charged people for stuff and are now asking for a do over BUT there is no guarantee the game will ever be re-launched because of the scheme they are pulling is part of what I described above. If they said 3 months from now "player FEEDBACK pointed us towards shelving the game because it wasn't good enough and there's nothing we can do to fix it". Oh well, who cares cause at the end of the day the devs still get paid even if they produce nothing..

    I said it in a couple threads before but will say it again, the AGS devs are just prolonging their Amazon paycheck as long as possible until someone higher up finally realizes they are useless and shuts the entire studio down. By that time some of them would have already collected well over a million in pay so the stall scheme ends up being a good LEGAL racket.

    Crowdfunded MMO games figured out a way to fleece the public for a never ending stream of funds. These guys figured out a way to fleece Amazon for a never ending stream of funds.
    100K a year is not that much money - their boss makes about $9million per hour.

    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/what-amazon-ceo-jeff-bezos-makes-every-day-hour-minute-2018-10
    ....
  • eoloeeoloe Member UncommonPosts: 36






    I honestly respect this.






    Feel the same way. Think of this them realizing the game is not good, and they wanna improve it.

    Think we can all name dozens of games that should have went straight back to alphas and betas upon release, but they didnt because companies didn't wanna lose money. They could have just buried the game, and not look at it again, instead they wanna take a chance and try to turnaround a game that already has a bad rep.

    TBH Respect



    Yes I think that was their best move.

    The game has true potential but the release was just too early (which is sad after 5 years of dev).
    Nonetheless and despite other opinions, I like the map and think it is their major achievement.
    Most players complain about the lack of com (chat/voice chat). I would prefer a VGS system (smite-like).
    But the game is also plagued by a mountain of other issues like bad hit registration, no mini map (in a rather complex map), OP characters, questionable farming and so on.

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 28,264

    Iselin said:


    Sovrath said:





    remsleep said:


    Amazon game studios is quickly becoming the laughing stock of video game development. 

    Remember a few years back when so many of us thought they would be the shining beacon of western mmo development.... yikes 






    To be fair, every game developer is the laughing stock of game development on these forums. I haven't seen a game released that had more people liking it than bashing it for a few years on these boards. Wolcen was close but that love ended pretty fast.



    One might think the people here either don't actually like games or their standards are so high that there will never be a game that they will deem acceptable.



    I was thinking this today when I was going through the cyber punk hands on videos. I was thinking "this is going to come out, looking as amazing as it does and some group or other is going to tear it down because it didn't' match the game in their heads."


    People have different tastes and they're not shy about expressing it here. I wouldn't have it any other way.

    Echo chambers are boring AF.



    Isn't the constant barrage of everything being negative just another echo chamber?

    Sure, people do have different tastes and sure they should express it. But it seems that some people are just holding games at such a high bar that it's a wonder people play anything.

    And what he said is true, there isn't a developer around that can't be lambasted by someone. They are apparently all bad.

    Even though that's not really true.
    YashaXTacticalZombeh



  • MightyUncleanMightyUnclean Member EpicPosts: 3,260
    I guess even a monster budget doesn't guarantee a good game, eh CIG?  Oh, I mean Amazon.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 14,175
    edited July 1
    Sovrath said:

    Iselin said:


    Sovrath said:





    remsleep said:


    Amazon game studios is quickly becoming the laughing stock of video game development. 

    Remember a few years back when so many of us thought they would be the shining beacon of western mmo development.... yikes 






    To be fair, every game developer is the laughing stock of game development on these forums. I haven't seen a game released that had more people liking it than bashing it for a few years on these boards. Wolcen was close but that love ended pretty fast.



    One might think the people here either don't actually like games or their standards are so high that there will never be a game that they will deem acceptable.



    I was thinking this today when I was going through the cyber punk hands on videos. I was thinking "this is going to come out, looking as amazing as it does and some group or other is going to tear it down because it didn't' match the game in their heads."


    People have different tastes and they're not shy about expressing it here. I wouldn't have it any other way.

    Echo chambers are boring AF.



    Isn't the constant barrage of everything being negative just another echo chamber?

    Sure, people do have different tastes and sure they should express it. But it seems that some people are just holding games at such a high bar that it's a wonder people play anything.

    And what he said is true, there isn't a developer around that can't be lambasted by someone. They are apparently all bad.

    Even though that's not really true.
    Thing is that people here are not negative about everything and every developer - well except for Wizardry maybe - but there is much more bad shit with obnoxious monetization and idiot suits saying things like "We don't call them loot boxes. We call them surprise mechanics" that there is a preponderance of things from the gaming companies coming out that deserves criticism and ridicule much more than at any other time in video gaming history.

    It's no coincidence that this has happened at the same time that large corporations that couldn't give less of a shit about gaming have taken over the industry because of its huge profit potentital.

    Yes there are good honest people in the industry doing things for the right reasons but they are unfortunately not the overwhelming majority they once were.

    Casual or new gamers wouldn't have a clue and think that cash shops, loot boxes and P2W in low effort products capitalizing on popular IPs or leveraging games for Twitch integration because they own Twitch are just a normal part of gaming.

    I think most of us know better here. Especially those of us who spend more time talking about gaming than about how others talk about gaming.
    XodicYashaXOG_Zorvan
    “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
    ― CD PROJEKT RED

    "... the "influencers" which is the tech name we call sell outs now..."
    __ Wizardry, 2020
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