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Phantasy Star Online 2 - The Road to Playable

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  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member EpicPosts: 10,967
    Ridelynn said:
    So similar situation:

    I do play with a controller, game plays pretty well and it really helps with my arthritis, but I can sympathize if someone isn't comfortable with it. Hope the control scheme issue gets worked out to your satisfaction. I will say the controller just has a "dodge" button and it will jump in whichever direction you are holding the stick, making it possible to jump backwards. I found it oddly mapped to RT, which takes some getting used to. Keyboard "Dodge" set to X, but not sure it works the same way, since it requires some chording on a controller (button + a direction).

    I do know what you mean about not being able to run backwards - it does the same thing on the controller, the body turns but not the camera, so you lose LOS on the enemy and attacks miss. Only way around that I've found so far is to dodge back.

    Game does seem to have a cadence, and if you miss the cadence, the bosses will just hammer you and it's difficult to get out of a jam once you get hit.

    I started off as Hunter, it was not a bad class, stumbled through a few other classes before hitting on Summoner. Yeah, Summoner is just a lot easier to play. I will say Techer was not-so-distant second for me. I'm in love with Trim and Redran right now, but still very much learning and haven't even looked at optimizing yet.

    Still trying to figure out exactly what the sub-class does for me. Not quite sure there yet. Still goofing around with Auxillaries.

    Mostly just trying to work through Client Orders right now. I've only unlocked up to very hard difficulty.


    Interesting that you both mention going backwards as being an issue. I guess maybe I've just never tried it the same way you are? Usually I just focus the camera and strafe. 

    It's easiest when you have a ranged class. You can stay strafed and gain or lose ground on the target.  Techer I would think would be one of the tougher classes to play because of melee and charging techs. 

    Braver might be good with bow for some that are still learning. Hunter as a sub class is one of the best overall, because they are so tanky. As long as you aren't playing your main class as Force, or going for 100% DPS you can get away with a lot with hunter as a sub. 

    Sub classes for the most part are supplements to your main class. They give you stat boosts, and some of them have abilities you can utilize. Obviously any of the skill tree skills that require the class to be your main class will not work as a sub class, but those abilities are usually few and far between. 

    For auxiliaries just make sure you're sending it out on adventures as often as you can or it won't gain levels.



  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,205

    It's easiest when you have a ranged class. You can stay strafed and gain or lose ground on the target.  Techer I would think would be one of the tougher classes to play because of melee and charging techs. 

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  • MsGamerladyMsGamerlady Member UncommonPosts: 184
    I hear you.


  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 7,967
    edited June 2020
    I mapped the dodge to the 5th mouse button I have on my gaming mouse which is close to my index finger. It's an extra button they have on the UtechSmart mouse and it also has 12 side buttons which has the subpalette mapped to.

    I think you dodge in the direction your WASD is pressed or you can tap the WASD keys twice to dodge in whichever direction you want. I have done that although I tend to try to run around which is like I have lead in my boots and makes hardly any progress.

    Do you have to level the subclass by actually play the class like in FFXI or FFXIV or does it level with your main while playing your main. I can't imagine playing fighter for my summoner or hunter , it would definitely dull my interest in a subclass.

    I do so wish I could navigate with a controller but not for lack of trying it just ends up like a drunk walking and stumbling in every which way. It is simply not something I seem capable of ever getting good at but I play mainly turn based games with them so the movement is never going to determine the outcome of a fight.

    The turning and then moving backwards is not at all the way it works in most MMORPGs because the way I play ranged is kiting while facing the target and pressing the 'S' key so when you try to do that in PSO2 you completely lose the target. Very disorienting I must unlearn stuff I've relied on for eons.
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  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,559
    just so you guys know dodge works on double tap teh direction you want or press dodge and direction like all the other game in the world, if no directional is pressed he will dodge forward, take note too your dodge animation will be based on your main class, example ranger will do a roll, a hunter will do a sidestep/ little dash.

    hunter as sub also raise damage, so there is no reason to not get hunter, unless you are a force user, note too you use use the over head aimming, with for ranged give you a hell of movement and aimming ability
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  • NyghthowlerNyghthowler Member UncommonPosts: 392
    cheyane said:
    I mapped the dodge to the 5th mouse button I have on my gaming mouse which is close to my index finger. It's an extra button they have on the UtechSmart mouse and it also has 12 side buttons which has the subpalette mapped to.

    I think you dodge in the direction your WASD is pressed or you can tap the WASD keys twice to dodge in whichever direction you want. I have done that although I tend to try to run around which is like I have lead in my boots and makes hardly any progress.

    Do you have to level the subclass by actually play the class like in FFXI or FFXIV or does it level with your main while playing your main. I can't imagine playing fighter for my summoner or hunter , it would definitely dull my interest in a subclass.

    I do so wish I could navigate with a controller but not for lack of trying it just ends up like a drunk walking and stumbling in every which way. It is simply not something I seem capable of ever getting good at but I play mainly turn based games with them so the movement is never going to determine the outcome of a fight.

    The turning and then moving backwards is not at all the way it works in most MMORPGs because the way I play ranged is kiting while facing the target and pressing the 'S' key so when you try to do that in PSO2 you completely lose the target. Very disorienting I must unlearn stuff I've relied on for eons.
    Most games ( that i've played ) let you change the input sensitivity of the controller sticks. 
    I usually have to reduce the camera stick so I don't wobble around the world like a squirrel on crack.
    I don't know if this might help you or not Cheyane, but it might be something to check out :)
  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 7,967
    edited June 2020
    cheyane said:
    I mapped the dodge to the 5th mouse button I have on my gaming mouse which is close to my index finger. It's an extra button they have on the UtechSmart mouse and it also has 12 side buttons which has the subpalette mapped to.

    I think you dodge in the direction your WASD is pressed or you can tap the WASD keys twice to dodge in whichever direction you want. I have done that although I tend to try to run around which is like I have lead in my boots and makes hardly any progress.

    Do you have to level the subclass by actually play the class like in FFXI or FFXIV or does it level with your main while playing your main. I can't imagine playing fighter for my summoner or hunter , it would definitely dull my interest in a subclass.

    I do so wish I could navigate with a controller but not for lack of trying it just ends up like a drunk walking and stumbling in every which way. It is simply not something I seem capable of ever getting good at but I play mainly turn based games with them so the movement is never going to determine the outcome of a fight.

    The turning and then moving backwards is not at all the way it works in most MMORPGs because the way I play ranged is kiting while facing the target and pressing the 'S' key so when you try to do that in PSO2 you completely lose the target. Very disorienting I must unlearn stuff I've relied on for eons.
    Most games ( that i've played ) let you change the input sensitivity of the controller sticks. 
    I usually have to reduce the camera stick so I don't wobble around the world like a squirrel on crack.
    I don't know if this might help you or not Cheyane, but it might be something to check out :)
    I have tried for years and years ever since my first Playstation and I have made very little progress. The only thing that works is the D-pad which I use like it is WASD keys by placing the controller on the table. I am an old dog I was old even 24 years ago when I first tried to play on the console.

    I did enjoy all the JRPGs though that were turn based and oh how I loved them. The console is more of a love/hate relationship. Love the games hate the console.
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  • achesomaachesoma Member RarePosts: 1,446
    Is the the game playable yet? Or are people still using work arounds to play?

  • StevenWeberStevenWeber Member UncommonPosts: 57
    achesoma said:
    Is the the game playable yet? Or are people still using work arounds to play?
    Microsoft has made some changes on the store, but mostly, using PSO2 Tweaker is the easiest and safest way to get in game on PC at the moment. With an impending Steam release, I wouldn't even bother with the Microsoft Store, as sad as it is to say.

    On a side note, I also had similar issues with another game on Microsofts Store, where it wouldn't let me download the necessary application to get into the game for the demo. The demo was 30 minutes long, I spent more time troubleshooting the store than downloading and playing the game. The Microsoft Store for games has not performed well in my opinion. 
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  • achesomaachesoma Member RarePosts: 1,446
    achesoma said:
    Is the the game playable yet? Or are people still using work arounds to play?
    Microsoft has made some changes on the store, but mostly, using PSO2 Tweaker is the easiest and safest way to get in game on PC at the moment. With an impending Steam release, I wouldn't even bother with the Microsoft Store, as sad as it is to say.

    On a side note, I also had similar issues with another game on Microsofts Store, where it wouldn't let me download the necessary application to get into the game for the demo. The demo was 30 minutes long, I spent more time troubleshooting the store than downloading and playing the game. The Microsoft Store for games has not performed well in my opinion. 
    Didn’t realize it was coming to Steam. I’ll definitely just wait for that. 

  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,205
    subclass levels with main class
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,092
    Took me longer to get the game up and running than the time i spent playing the game.

    Number 1 fail,having to move the camera manually is the dumbest idea ever,played idk 10 minutes maybe and uninstalled.There are other nuances i didn't like in the UI/design.

    Sword Art Online was the same as PSO2 must be a thing over there just copying each others UI design.Sadly i had to buy Sword Art and   played about the same,maybe 10 minutes before uninstalling.
    Sometimes i won't uninstall because i feel there is a chance i might go back and give a game another try but with that camera setup,no way ever would i play a game like that.







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  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 7,967
    edited June 2020
    There was a Windows Update yesterday and I just checked Discord. My god, reams of complaints. I dare not touch the game, was still playing till 3 a.m. yesterday. I will give it a couple of days and see if the Tweaker is updated before I try to play.

    I have no wish for anything to happen to my install so best be patient. I have DDO in any case.
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  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,559
    Ridelynn said:
    subclass levels with main class

    sub class gets half of the of the main class, also i'm guessing the subclass will not lvl if teh mian class lvl is lower

    cheyane said:
    There was a Windows Update yesterday and I just checked Discord. My god, reams of complaints. I dare not touch the game, was still playing till 3 a.m. yesterday. I will give it a couple of days and see if the Tweaker is updated before I try to play.

    I have no wish for anything to happen to my install so best be patient. I have DDO in any case.

    was playing normally, tweaker is working normally, game update from tuesday to wed so if any issues shows up is during this time

    achesoma said:
    achesoma said:
    Is the the game playable yet? Or are people still using work arounds to play?
    Microsoft has made some changes on the store, but mostly, using PSO2 Tweaker is the easiest and safest way to get in game on PC at the moment. With an impending Steam release, I wouldn't even bother with the Microsoft Store, as sad as it is to say.

    On a side note, I also had similar issues with another game on Microsofts Store, where it wouldn't let me download the necessary application to get into the game for the demo. The demo was 30 minutes long, I spent more time troubleshooting the store than downloading and playing the game. The Microsoft Store for games has not performed well in my opinion. 
    Didn’t realize it was coming to Steam. I’ll definitely just wait for that. 

    I heard people say this but I belive is wishfull thinking, the steam was mentioned before tehy made a microsoft exclusive so till then don't hope for much.

    in anycase tweaker will even full downaload the game and update, fix most issues too, if you want to play use it
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  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,559
    Wizardry said:
    Took me longer to get the game up and running than the time i spent playing the game.

    Number 1 fail,having to move the camera manually is the dumbest idea ever,played idk 10 minutes maybe and uninstalled.There are other nuances i didn't like in the UI/design.

    Sword Art Online was the same as PSO2 must be a thing over there just copying each others UI design.Sadly i had to buy Sword Art and   played about the same,maybe 10 minutes before uninstalling.
    Sometimes i won't uninstall because i feel there is a chance i might go back and give a game another try but with that camera setup,no way ever would i play a game like that.








    by manually you mean you ahve to use you mouse to move around, what game nowadays don't use this?


    I use overhead aim since i'm using a assult rifle and I can shot far and on weakpoints always that way
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