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  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 7,254
    Tanist said:
    Kyleran said:
    Tanist said:
    bcbully said:
    My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.

    Same thing for years bro...
    I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam. 

    If that is the case, then every game here is a scam. 
    It's not a scam.

    They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
    Par for the course but in Renfail's case I cut him some slack, he really was new to all of this, unlike some others that should have known better.
    I'm really just interested in squashing the silly misrepresentation that guy puts out.
    Ah, a social justice warrior. Who woulda thunk it? 
    Uhhh... lol.
  • TanistTanist Member UncommonPosts: 272
    Tanist said:
    Kyleran said:
    Tanist said:
    bcbully said:
    My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.

    Same thing for years bro...
    I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam. 

    If that is the case, then every game here is a scam. 
    It's not a scam.

    They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
    Par for the course but in Renfail's case I cut him some slack, he really was new to all of this, unlike some others that should have known better.
    I'm really just interested in squashing the silly misrepresentation that guy puts out.
    Ah, a social justice warrior. Who woulda thunk it? 
    Uhhh... lol.
    *chuckle*

    Well, you seemed adamant about carrying the cross to fight all the evil you perceived being done by "misinformation". I think the description is quite apt don't you? 
    YashaX
  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 7,254
    Tanist said:
    Tanist said:
    Kyleran said:
    Tanist said:
    bcbully said:
    My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.

    Same thing for years bro...
    I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam. 

    If that is the case, then every game here is a scam. 
    It's not a scam.

    They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
    Par for the course but in Renfail's case I cut him some slack, he really was new to all of this, unlike some others that should have known better.
    I'm really just interested in squashing the silly misrepresentation that guy puts out.
    Ah, a social justice warrior. Who woulda thunk it? 
    Uhhh... lol.
    *chuckle*

    Well, you seemed adamant about carrying the cross to fight all the evil you perceived being done by "misinformation". I think the description is quite apt don't you? 
    I call it ad hominem. And really just stupid.
    DullahanYashaX
  • TanistTanist Member UncommonPosts: 272
    Tanist said:
    Tanist said:
    bcbully said:
    My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.

    Same thing for years bro...
    I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam. 

    If that is the case, then every game here is a scam. 
    It's not a scam.

    They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
    So? I am still waiting for some valid point on this. It is no secret they are not game developer professionals and this was their first venture. They have been pretty open with their entire process. 

    So again, what is your point? 
    It's not a scam.

    They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
    You might need to reboot, your logic processor is in a loop. 
  • achesomaachesoma Member RarePosts: 1,481
    achesoma said:
    Kyleran said:
    Tanist said:
    bcbully said:
    My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.

    Same thing for years bro...
    I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam. 

    If that is the case, then every game here is a scam. 
    It's not a scam.

    They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
    Par for the course but in Renfail's case I cut him some slack, he really was new to all of this, unlike some others that should have known better.
    SoL is not in the same league as the others.  As far as I know, it's the only one where the main creators are doing it on their off-time and not drawing salaries.   They are also a team that is all openly new. 

    The money they have raised is minuscule.  Now they are not publishing numbers, but I would eat my hat if they raised anything close to a million from Crowdfunding.  (My actual guess is that it's closer to 100k than 1M)

    From what I see, it's really just a hobby that they are hoping can turn into a legitimate business. Hugely skeptical that this thing will successfully take flight, but I cut them a lot more slack than the other teams based on what I listed above.


    SoL isn’t crowdfunded. 
    You want to reconsider that statement? Or explain?
    Stormhaven Studios(SoL) is not a crowdfunded business. It’s an investor funded business. 
    Kyleranbcbully

  • TanistTanist Member UncommonPosts: 272
    edited May 2020
    Tanist said:
    Tanist said:
    Kyleran said:
    Tanist said:
    bcbully said:
    My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.

    Same thing for years bro...
    I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam. 

    If that is the case, then every game here is a scam. 
    It's not a scam.

    They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
    Par for the course but in Renfail's case I cut him some slack, he really was new to all of this, unlike some others that should have known better.
    I'm really just interested in squashing the silly misrepresentation that guy puts out.
    Ah, a social justice warrior. Who woulda thunk it? 
    Uhhh... lol.
    *chuckle*

    Well, you seemed adamant about carrying the cross to fight all the evil you perceived being done by "misinformation". I think the description is quite apt don't you? 
    I call it ad hominem. And really just stupid.
    It isn't a personal attack if it is true. You very clearly stated you were on a crusade to stamp out misinformation. What do you think a social justice warrior does? They fight for the truth of mankind, to stamp out all evil everywhere, to correct the ignorant, to bring light to the darkness, truth and justice to the wicked! 

    *chuckle*

    Also note I am not using this as a means to dismiss your argument (that is what would make it a fallacy), I am merely commenting on your self proclaimed reasoning here. 

    You are welcome to answer the question I asked about what your point is? Your last response merely repeated its exact phrasing, hence my joke about you caught in a logic loop. 


    YashaX
  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 7,254
    Tanist said:
    Tanist said:
    Tanist said:
    Kyleran said:
    Tanist said:
    bcbully said:
    My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.

    Same thing for years bro...
    I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam. 

    If that is the case, then every game here is a scam. 
    It's not a scam.

    They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
    Par for the course but in Renfail's case I cut him some slack, he really was new to all of this, unlike some others that should have known better.
    I'm really just interested in squashing the silly misrepresentation that guy puts out.
    Ah, a social justice warrior. Who woulda thunk it? 
    Uhhh... lol.
    *chuckle*

    Well, you seemed adamant about carrying the cross to fight all the evil you perceived being done by "misinformation". I think the description is quite apt don't you? 
    I call it ad hominem. And really just stupid.
    It isn't a personal attack if it is true. You very clearly stated you were on a crusade to stamp out misinformation. What do you think a social justice warrior does? They fight for the truth of mankind, to stamp out all evil everywhere, to correct the ignorant, to bring light to the darkness, truth and justice to the wicked! 

    *chuckle*
    Weird.
    YashaXtzervodelete5230
  • TanistTanist Member UncommonPosts: 272
    achesoma said:
    achesoma said:
    Kyleran said:
    Tanist said:
    bcbully said:
    My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.

    Same thing for years bro...
    I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam. 

    If that is the case, then every game here is a scam. 
    It's not a scam.

    They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
    Par for the course but in Renfail's case I cut him some slack, he really was new to all of this, unlike some others that should have known better.
    SoL is not in the same league as the others.  As far as I know, it's the only one where the main creators are doing it on their off-time and not drawing salaries.   They are also a team that is all openly new. 

    The money they have raised is minuscule.  Now they are not publishing numbers, but I would eat my hat if they raised anything close to a million from Crowdfunding.  (My actual guess is that it's closer to 100k than 1M)

    From what I see, it's really just a hobby that they are hoping can turn into a legitimate business. Hugely skeptical that this thing will successfully take flight, but I cut them a lot more slack than the other teams based on what I listed above.


    SoL isn’t crowdfunded. 
    You want to reconsider that statement? Or explain?
    Stormhaven Studios(SoL) is not a crowdfunded business. It’s an investor funded business. 
    They have investors and they also make money by their supporters with pre-orders/tester pledges.


    https://sagaoflucimia.com/pre-orders/


    Do you really think that they are selling the game for 500 bucks? You must understand this is a crowd fund pledge right?
  • TanistTanist Member UncommonPosts: 272
    Tanist said:
    Tanist said:
    Tanist said:
    Kyleran said:
    Tanist said:
    bcbully said:
    My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.

    Same thing for years bro...
    I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam. 

    If that is the case, then every game here is a scam. 
    It's not a scam.

    They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
    Par for the course but in Renfail's case I cut him some slack, he really was new to all of this, unlike some others that should have known better.
    I'm really just interested in squashing the silly misrepresentation that guy puts out.
    Ah, a social justice warrior. Who woulda thunk it? 
    Uhhh... lol.
    *chuckle*

    Well, you seemed adamant about carrying the cross to fight all the evil you perceived being done by "misinformation". I think the description is quite apt don't you? 
    I call it ad hominem. And really just stupid.
    It isn't a personal attack if it is true. You very clearly stated you were on a crusade to stamp out misinformation. What do you think a social justice warrior does? They fight for the truth of mankind, to stamp out all evil everywhere, to correct the ignorant, to bring light to the darkness, truth and justice to the wicked! 

    *chuckle*
    Weird.
    That may be, but you still haven't attended to my question about the 3 years comment. 

    Again, what point do you have? 
    YashaX
  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 7,254
    Tanist said:
    Tanist said:
    Tanist said:
    Tanist said:
    Kyleran said:
    Tanist said:
    bcbully said:
    My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.

    Same thing for years bro...
    I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam. 

    If that is the case, then every game here is a scam. 
    It's not a scam.

    They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
    Par for the course but in Renfail's case I cut him some slack, he really was new to all of this, unlike some others that should have known better.
    I'm really just interested in squashing the silly misrepresentation that guy puts out.
    Ah, a social justice warrior. Who woulda thunk it? 
    Uhhh... lol.
    *chuckle*

    Well, you seemed adamant about carrying the cross to fight all the evil you perceived being done by "misinformation". I think the description is quite apt don't you? 
    I call it ad hominem. And really just stupid.
    It isn't a personal attack if it is true. You very clearly stated you were on a crusade to stamp out misinformation. What do you think a social justice warrior does? They fight for the truth of mankind, to stamp out all evil everywhere, to correct the ignorant, to bring light to the darkness, truth and justice to the wicked! 

    *chuckle*
    Weird.
    That may be, but you still haven't attended to my question about the 3 years comment. 

    Again, what point do you have? 
    It's not a scam.

    They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
    bcbullyYashaX
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 14,099
    achesoma said:
    achesoma said:
    Kyleran said:
    Tanist said:
    bcbully said:
    My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.

    Same thing for years bro...
    I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam. 

    If that is the case, then every game here is a scam. 
    It's not a scam.

    They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
    Par for the course but in Renfail's case I cut him some slack, he really was new to all of this, unlike some others that should have known better.
    SoL is not in the same league as the others.  As far as I know, it's the only one where the main creators are doing it on their off-time and not drawing salaries.   They are also a team that is all openly new. 

    The money they have raised is minuscule.  Now they are not publishing numbers, but I would eat my hat if they raised anything close to a million from Crowdfunding.  (My actual guess is that it's closer to 100k than 1M)

    From what I see, it's really just a hobby that they are hoping can turn into a legitimate business. Hugely skeptical that this thing will successfully take flight, but I cut them a lot more slack than the other teams based on what I listed above.


    SoL isn’t crowdfunded. 
    You want to reconsider that statement? Or explain?
    Stormhaven Studios(SoL) is not a crowdfunded business. It’s an investor funded business. 
    It's both supported by Crowdfunding and private investment.  So is Crowfall, Camelot Unchained, Star Citizen and Pantheon...
    tzervo

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  • borghive49borghive49 Member RarePosts: 476
    achesoma said:
    achesoma said:
    Kyleran said:
    Tanist said:
    bcbully said:
    My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.

    Same thing for years bro...
    I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam. 

    If that is the case, then every game here is a scam. 
    It's not a scam.

    They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
    Par for the course but in Renfail's case I cut him some slack, he really was new to all of this, unlike some others that should have known better.
    SoL is not in the same league as the others.  As far as I know, it's the only one where the main creators are doing it on their off-time and not drawing salaries.   They are also a team that is all openly new. 

    The money they have raised is minuscule.  Now they are not publishing numbers, but I would eat my hat if they raised anything close to a million from Crowdfunding.  (My actual guess is that it's closer to 100k than 1M)

    From what I see, it's really just a hobby that they are hoping can turn into a legitimate business. Hugely skeptical that this thing will successfully take flight, but I cut them a lot more slack than the other teams based on what I listed above.


    SoL isn’t crowdfunded. 
    You want to reconsider that statement? Or explain?
    Stormhaven Studios(SoL) is not a crowdfunded business. It’s an investor funded business. 
    Does Grandmas investment club count as investors? 
    Dullahanimmodium
  • achesomaachesoma Member RarePosts: 1,481
    Tanist said:
    achesoma said:
    achesoma said:
    Kyleran said:
    Tanist said:
    bcbully said:
    My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.

    Same thing for years bro...
    I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam. 

    If that is the case, then every game here is a scam. 
    It's not a scam.

    They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
    Par for the course but in Renfail's case I cut him some slack, he really was new to all of this, unlike some others that should have known better.
    SoL is not in the same league as the others.  As far as I know, it's the only one where the main creators are doing it on their off-time and not drawing salaries.   They are also a team that is all openly new. 

    The money they have raised is minuscule.  Now they are not publishing numbers, but I would eat my hat if they raised anything close to a million from Crowdfunding.  (My actual guess is that it's closer to 100k than 1M)

    From what I see, it's really just a hobby that they are hoping can turn into a legitimate business. Hugely skeptical that this thing will successfully take flight, but I cut them a lot more slack than the other teams based on what I listed above.


    SoL isn’t crowdfunded. 
    You want to reconsider that statement? Or explain?
    Stormhaven Studios(SoL) is not a crowdfunded business. It’s an investor funded business. 
    They have investors and they also make money by their supporters with pre-orders/tester pledges.


    https://sagaoflucimia.com/pre-orders/


    Do you really think that they are selling the game for 500 bucks? You must understand this is a crowd fund pledge right?
    Those are preorders. By that definition, every video game for the past 20 years are crowdfunded. 

    The $500 one includes 4 game codes total, 6 month subscription, a cloth map that sells separately for $115, and 7 beta codes. Games have been selling CE for $100-$200 for years. So that’s not an unreasonable asking price for a preorder, considering the value of what it offers. 

  • TanistTanist Member UncommonPosts: 272
    edited May 2020
    achesoma said:
    Tanist said:

    They have investors and they also make money by their supporters with pre-orders/tester pledges.


    https://sagaoflucimia.com/pre-orders/


    Do you really think that they are selling the game for 500 bucks? You must understand this is a crowd fund pledge right?
    Those are preorders. By that definition, every video game for the past 20 years are crowdfunded. 

    The $500 one includes 4 game codes total, 6 month subscription, a cloth map that sells separately for $115, and 7 beta codes. Games have been selling CE for $100-$200 for years. So that’s not an unreasonable asking price for a preorder, considering the value of what it offers. 
    If we use that approach, then Pantheon is also not crowd funded because we can easily use mental gymnastics to explain how their pledges are just pre-orders and services rendered for various things. 

    The entire point of the pledges is to gain money to fund the game. That is why they are sold at higher values. 


    For example, note that SoL showed how they were spending their money from the pre-order store to give the players understanding about where the money was going.

    https://sagaoflucimia.com/forums/index.php?threads/development-stage-two.974/#post-6019

    We shared income reports with our supporters, and shared receipts from our purchases so folks could see where and how money from the pre-order store was being spent. Assets, licenses, lawyers, accountants, servers, website hosting: you name it, we shared it.
    Yes, they were doing a form of crowd funding. 
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 38,511
    achesoma said:
    achesoma said:
    Kyleran said:
    Tanist said:
    bcbully said:
    My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.

    Same thing for years bro...
    I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam. 

    If that is the case, then every game here is a scam. 
    It's not a scam.

    They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
    Par for the course but in Renfail's case I cut him some slack, he really was new to all of this, unlike some others that should have known better.
    SoL is not in the same league as the others.  As far as I know, it's the only one where the main creators are doing it on their off-time and not drawing salaries.   They are also a team that is all openly new. 

    The money they have raised is minuscule.  Now they are not publishing numbers, but I would eat my hat if they raised anything close to a million from Crowdfunding.  (My actual guess is that it's closer to 100k than 1M)

    From what I see, it's really just a hobby that they are hoping can turn into a legitimate business. Hugely skeptical that this thing will successfully take flight, but I cut them a lot more slack than the other teams based on what I listed above.


    SoL isn’t crowdfunded. 
    You want to reconsider that statement? Or explain?
    Stormhaven Studios(SoL) is not a crowdfunded business. It’s an investor funded business. 
    It's both supported by Crowdfunding and private investment.  So is Crowfall, Camelot Unchained, Star Citizen and Pantheon...
    Which are considered crowd funded indie studios, even though in some cases the backer money is actually a smaller portion of the funding raised.
    Slapshot1188

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  • TanistTanist Member UncommonPosts: 272
    It's not a scam.

    They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
    You keep repeating the same thing over and over. 

    It appears you have no point then. Carry on!
    YashaX
  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 7,254
    Tanist said:
    It's not a scam.

    They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
    You keep repeating the same thing over and over. 

    It appears you have no point then. Carry on!
    Whoooooooosh!
    KyleranIselinYashaX
  • TanistTanist Member UncommonPosts: 272
    Tanist said:
    It's not a scam.

    They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
    You keep repeating the same thing over and over. 

    It appears you have no point then. Carry on!
    Whoooooooosh!
    BAM! POOOOOW! 
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 38,511
    Tanist said:
    Tanist said:
    It's not a scam.

    They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
    You keep repeating the same thing over and over. 

    It appears you have no point then. Carry on!
    Whoooooooosh!
    BAM! POOOOOW! 

    ChildoftheShadowsYashaXtzervo

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    "I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant

    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing ESO - Blackwood at the moment.

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  • DullahanDullahan Member EpicPosts: 4,534
    Maybe its just me, but I dont think its hard to understand how and why these games differ in development and transparency.

    One game is has chosen a much simpler design. The other seems to be increasingly elaborate. Not a knock against either, just different.

    The difference in complexity really adds a lot of variables that can impact the development time.

    Just watch the most recent dev stream from Saga (from April) and those from Pantheon (2 released today). One is basically a content demo, the other is still developing deep systems and functionality.


    achesomaKumapontzervoAmatheWellspringdcutbi001


  • tzervotzervo Member EpicPosts: 1,795
    edited May 2020
    achesoma said:
    Those are preorders. By that definition, every video game for the past 20 years are crowdfunded. 

    The $500 one includes 4 game codes total, 6 month subscription, a cloth map that sells separately for $115, and 7 beta codes. Games have been selling CE for $100-$200 for years. So that’s not an unreasonable asking price for a preorder, considering the value of what it offers. 
    It seems to me they are abusing the term "pre-order". Pre-order means I have a product ready or almost ready to go to the market, the buyer pre-orders it and I am bound to deliver it to him. Is Stormhaven studios legally bound to ship a product or issue a refund otherwise? If not, it's a pledge and crowdfunding, not a pre-order. So SoL is a mix of crowdfunding and private investment.
    YashaXKyleranDullahanIselin
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 38,511
    tzervo said:
    achesoma said:
    Those are preorders. By that definition, every video game for the past 20 years are crowdfunded. 

    The $500 one includes 4 game codes total, 6 month subscription, a cloth map that sells separately for $115, and 7 beta codes. Games have been selling CE for $100-$200 for years. So that’s not an unreasonable asking price for a preorder, considering the value of what it offers. 
    It seems to me they are abusing the term "pre-order". Pre-order means I have a product ready or almost ready to go to the market, the buyer pre-orders it and I am bound to deliver it to him. Is Stormhaven studios legally bound to ship a product or issue a refund otherwise? If not, it's a pledge and crowdfunding, not a pre-order. So SoL is a mix of crowdfunding and private investment.
    Preorders are refundable prior to release, SoL clearly states no refunds period, clearly a crowd funding effort.

    It's like some people here don't even lift, bro.

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 14,099
    Kyleran said:
    tzervo said:
    achesoma said:
    Those are preorders. By that definition, every video game for the past 20 years are crowdfunded. 

    The $500 one includes 4 game codes total, 6 month subscription, a cloth map that sells separately for $115, and 7 beta codes. Games have been selling CE for $100-$200 for years. So that’s not an unreasonable asking price for a preorder, considering the value of what it offers. 
    It seems to me they are abusing the term "pre-order". Pre-order means I have a product ready or almost ready to go to the market, the buyer pre-orders it and I am bound to deliver it to him. Is Stormhaven studios legally bound to ship a product or issue a refund otherwise? If not, it's a pledge and crowdfunding, not a pre-order. So SoL is a mix of crowdfunding and private investment.
    Preorders are refundable prior to release, SoL clearly states no refunds period, clearly a crowd funding effort.

    It's like some people here don't even lift, bro.
    This may help: https://www.fundable.com/learn/resources/guides/crowdfunding/what-is-crowdfunding
    tzervo

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  • tzervotzervo Member EpicPosts: 1,795
    tzervo said:
    achesoma said:
    Those are preorders. By that definition, every video game for the past 20 years are crowdfunded. 

    The $500 one includes 4 game codes total, 6 month subscription, a cloth map that sells separately for $115, and 7 beta codes. Games have been selling CE for $100-$200 for years. So that’s not an unreasonable asking price for a preorder, considering the value of what it offers. 
    It seems to me they are abusing the term "pre-order". Pre-order means I have a product ready or almost ready to go to the market, the buyer pre-orders it and I am bound to deliver it to him. Is Stormhaven studios legally bound to ship a product or issue a refund otherwise? If not, it's a pledge and crowdfunding, not a pre-order. So SoL is a mix of crowdfunding and private investment.
    That got me curious because I never paid attention on how other crowdfunding titles call their packages: checking Pantheon, Crowfall, Star Citizen and Camelot Unchained they all call them pledges or backer packages, not preorders. And that now makes me even more curious if they did that for legal issues or were just more "honest" or careful (I know I know, please stop laughing now xD)
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