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Big business killed off everything.
delete5230
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Unless your EA, Bethesda, Ubisoft, Blizzard, 2K Games and a few others your nothing. Not a chance in hell….. Nothing new here, BUT facts are facts.
I'm convinced after 2004 World of Warcraft big business took over. Copy rights and trademarks and worst of all marketing squashed EVERYTHING. Were in command.
What happened next ?
They made mmoprg's their way…… No input, not a care in the world about fans or nerds. ZERO, they locked these people out.
I talk about 30 day games online a lot….. It needs to be talked about !..... Because it's the problem, yet everyone here sweeps the problem under the rug. Yet people here still search for reasons why mmorpg's suck. The problems is in your face yet ignored.
Action packed thrill rides that last 30 days ARE NOT MMORPG'S. Putting aside a "definition" it's not what mmorpg players want. Even if so, 30 days ?
Big business killed off everything,
- 30 days is all the content investors will allow.
- High end graphics are what consumers demand.
WANT ANSWERS ?......HERE IT IS.
Want more proof ?
1960's > 1980's rock music was composed by singers and bands. Competition was fierce but doable, if you had the talent, luck and motivation to seek out labels.
Rocketman, The Elton John movie…… This is how it was done !
2020 music is composed by Big Business sponsors…..THEN singers and bands are sought.
Ever notice music is not so popular anymore ?...... Even the Britney Spears era faded away because of legal issues…… It, in it self got complicated. Elton John wouldn't have a chance in hell.
Rock music and mmoprg's
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30 days later..... Where is everyone ?
This is fine for off line games.
Music ?....... Big money, but the music is short lived regardless of money made.
just saying
The viewer is not in charge.
We’ve had decades of white male power fantasies, no reason others can’t have them too.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
WoW, for example, was made by Blizzard, which already had major games to its credit. And EQ ended up under SOE (Sony).
Big business brought us these games in the first place. There are few indy success stories. But now big business has lost its way.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
Big business is what it always was. There's nothing new with that. It's always tried to manipulate the buyer, the suppliers, politics, and everything else. That's the way of the world. Get used to it.
Either demand better, and vote with your feet, or live with what you have.
Once upon a time....
At least they give a good product even if overpriced the good games from kickstarter/indie devs are like one in a million
There are stll big boys. They are just off doing other things.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
Everyone is entitled to their own power fantasies. Just no reason for it to be at the expense of others.
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Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
1 Marketing is feeding the public tons of BS and this is all we see because they are paying websites,streamers,YouTubers to promote their crap.
2 The consumer,as long we support cash shops and early access and sub par games,we will continue to see this trend as the new standard.
3 ALL of these studios are in this for the money,no different than all the streamers on Twitch.So as long as they are designing games around a BUSINESS and not with heart felt passion,we get sub par or crap and LOADS of it.
These early games like UO and EQ were built out of the love for the genre,they played MUDS and DnD and wanted to bring those ideas to life and interact with the world.
It is VERY possible to build a game with true passion as the intent and still maintain a budget and get it out in timely fashion.Not just possible but VERY easily and of course that takes money but if you don't have the money or investors,don't bother because you'll just deliver a half assed game.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Once upon a time....
Once upon a time....
Who knew you could create and sell half built, broken games which make millions ...and gamers would thank you for it?
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
And there were small studios and sometimes, especially in the early days, solo developers.
Games are no more shit today than they were in '80s and '90s, It's just a much bigger market so yeah it attracts what I like to call the "carpetbaggers" and sometimes they are the ones who call the shots and produce nothing but derivative shit with loot boxes.
But there are also more indies and developer run small studios focused on fun and quality than there have ever been.
You just have to be better at picking through the crap to find the gems. They're there.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
There's an old joke about men and women, especially in families (mom and dad).
The women are usually more down to earth, where the men let their testosterone get in the way all to often. And then the men get themselves in a bit of trouble.
It's humor that's been played on all the time, and the exact thing that those commercials are playing on.
That show, Home Improvements, played on that a lot.
Tim always making power tools and home appliances "better" and seeing them blow up, Al being the butt of such jokes, etc.
Do you get it now? See the context?
Once upon a time....
I think it's impossible to gather data and figure out gamers. They either don't care to, or can't, really explain themselves.
Look at WoW Classic's demand and early success, and then the great fall off.
I strongly suspect that many, many, gamers realized that what WoW Classic was, was in fact not what they really want. But they thought it was, because...who knows why?
Do you think those gamers will ever explain this? Nope, they won't. It's embarrassing and they may not understand it yet themselves.
The next great game will build something great based on their own thinking and understanding of the human animal (and be right about it).
Once upon a time....