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Leveling utterly broken

Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Member RarePosts: 9,686
The MSQ is leading in the leveling experience..

sadly i now have jobs that have outleveled the MSQ by 10 levels..
if you make the MSQ leading, then dont give people huge xp bonusses on everything they do..

they should make the system so that you can not outlevel your MSQ..
that would solve the problem..

and no, i don’t dislike the MSQ..
i think any true themepark should have a system like this

Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

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  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,029
    Yeah it’s an issue. It worked ok if you played as the content was released, but it’s aged very poorly. There is a MSQ/leveling overhaul due soon to address it, as another big issue is in pacing the MSQ, particularly after you hit L50 but prior to HW.
  • UtinniUtinni Member EpicPosts: 1,871
    Ridelynn said:
     particularly after you hit L50 but prior to HW.
    You mean that 100+ hours of stuff you gotta do before you can do HW? yeaaaaaaa...
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  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,151
    edited February 4
    The MSQ is leading in the leveling experience..

    sadly i now have jobs that have outleveled the MSQ by 10 levels..
    if you make the MSQ leading, then dont give people huge xp bonusses on everything they do..

    they should make the system so that you can not outlevel your MSQ..
    that would solve the problem..

    and no, i don’t dislike the MSQ..
    i think any true themepark should have a system like this

    I'm curious what level you currently are....? and what arc are you in for the story (ARR/HW/SB/ShB)?
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,029
    edited February 4
    The big hiccup occurs in that long, drawn out period after hitting L50, and all the following content that hits prior to Heavensward (the post-ARR release content).

    It was a long period of time, and almost all the content was added in the MSQ. So you have almost 2 years worth of content, where the level cap was 50, and honestly I don't think they were considering XPacs at that point because it was a big gamble if ARR was even going to stick around. 

    Once you finally get into HW, the MSQ smooths out considerably. But it's wound up being that you have this longperiod of content (an entire XPacs worth to be honest) where it was all intended to be gear-driven with a static level, but now with the current game character can easily out-level it. 

    There's a lot of lore mixed in there, but it's also pretty obvious there's more than it's fair share of filler content as well.  The plan is to strip out all the filler content and smooth the MSQ process out considerably. Not hit that massive speed bump at L50 post-ARR content, which has turned off a lot of prospective players.

    Despite however many people do end up saying "HW is worth it, stick with it and slog it out" -- it doesn't change the fact that Post-ARR is a slog, and isn't terribly fun because it seriously hampers the flow of the game. People do end up just hitting that and quitting. But yeah, once you finally break into HW - everything past that is excellent, and eclipses the game in every way up to that point.

    I can't find the reference link (I think it was in a Live Letter around the ShB release), I apologize. I think some of it was supposed to coincide with NG+.
  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Member RarePosts: 9,686
    Albatroes said:
    The MSQ is leading in the leveling experience..

    sadly i now have jobs that have outleveled the MSQ by 10 levels..
    if you make the MSQ leading, then dont give people huge xp bonusses on everything they do..

    they should make the system so that you can not outlevel your MSQ..
    that would solve the problem..

    and no, i don’t dislike the MSQ..
    i think any true themepark should have a system like this

    I'm curious what level you currently are....? and what arc are you in for the story (ARR/HW/SB/ShB)?
    I am currently only at MSQ level 28..

    but i have 6 jobs, level 30, 32, 34, 38, 40, 44
    and thats only the adventuring jobs, also have many crafters, weaver and alchemist being allready at 50..

    I know its just a start... 
    i guess things get better at level 50 and beyound..


    but since the free trial is only till level 35, 
    i guess this is the most important part of the game to get right
    as this is where new people get hooked.
    Buschkatze

    Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 35,964
    Err, for we unfamiliar with this game, MSQ is what, and why is it a problem to out level it?

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  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,151
    Albatroes said:
    The MSQ is leading in the leveling experience..

    sadly i now have jobs that have outleveled the MSQ by 10 levels..
    if you make the MSQ leading, then dont give people huge xp bonusses on everything they do..

    they should make the system so that you can not outlevel your MSQ..
    that would solve the problem..

    and no, i don’t dislike the MSQ..
    i think any true themepark should have a system like this

    I'm curious what level you currently are....? and what arc are you in for the story (ARR/HW/SB/ShB)?
    I am currently only at MSQ level 28..

    but i have 6 jobs, level 30, 32, 34, 38, 40, 44
    and thats only the adventuring jobs, also have many crafters, weaver and alchemist being allready at 50..

    I know its just a start... 
    i guess things get better at level 50 and beyound..


    but since the free trial is only till level 35, 
    i guess this is the most important part of the game to get right
    as this is where new people get hooked.

    This depends on what you define as "right" given that this is a game that lets you do everything on a single character. The real problem of the game is that progression is tied to the main story without any place-holder skips like you would find in other games (oddly enough even FFXI had place-holder skips). I mean, if its that much of an "issue," you can just level a job up to the msq level and leave it then do other stuff like it appears you already have. That said, the expansions do curb alot in exp simply because there's a lot less arbitrary quests later one and the ARR MSQ experience is supposed to be 'revamped' in 5.3 so I guess we'll see if they get it 'right' then. That aside, I'd probably wait a good bit until finding "complaints" since this one is an odd one to me (and trust me, I have a massive list of issues with this game).

    Kyleran said:
    Err, for we unfamiliar with this game, MSQ is what, and why is it a problem to out level it?

    Main Story Quest = MSQ. I wouldn't really say out leveling it is an issue personally, but since it is tied to character progression, it can feel like a slog. This means if you want to go to the new areas in expansions, you have to complete all the story related stuff first in the previous before you can. Its not like how wow or other games do like when you hit a certain level and can automatically start questing in the next expansion.
    Kyleran
  • TillerTiller Member EpicPosts: 8,669
    You slow down as far as XP gain around level 45-48 and by the time you hit 50 level wise you should be caught up story wise. These issues are being addressed in 5.2 with the addition of new msqs I think.

    After level 50 just keep grinding through the msq. Honestly the story gets dull after 2.1 as this was a time when they pushed lots of filler content up to the first expansion. It looks like a lot to slog through to get to the first expansion. Take the time to spam duty finder and clear all the hard dungeon levels for poetics to give yourself a break from the slow msq.
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  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Member RarePosts: 9,686
    Tiller said:
    You slow down as far as XP gain around level 45-48 and by the time you hit 50 level wise you should be caught up story wise. These issues are being addressed in 5.2 with the addition of new msqs I think.

    After level 50 just keep grinding through the msq. Honestly the story gets dull after 2.1 as this was a time when they pushed lots of filler content up to the first expansion. It looks like a lot to slog through to get to the first expansion. Take the time to spam duty finder and clear all the hard dungeon levels for poetics to give yourself a break from the slow msq.
    Thats supposed to be 5.3..
    Buschkatze

    Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 35,964
    Albatroes said:
    Albatroes said:
    The MSQ is leading in the leveling experience..

    sadly i now have jobs that have outleveled the MSQ by 10 levels..
    if you make the MSQ leading, then dont give people huge xp bonusses on everything they do..

    they should make the system so that you can not outlevel your MSQ..
    that would solve the problem..

    and no, i don’t dislike the MSQ..
    i think any true themepark should have a system like this

    I'm curious what level you currently are....? and what arc are you in for the story (ARR/HW/SB/ShB)?
    I am currently only at MSQ level 28..

    but i have 6 jobs, level 30, 32, 34, 38, 40, 44
    and thats only the adventuring jobs, also have many crafters, weaver and alchemist being allready at 50..

    I know its just a start... 
    i guess things get better at level 50 and beyound..


    but since the free trial is only till level 35, 
    i guess this is the most important part of the game to get right
    as this is where new people get hooked.

    This depends on what you define as "right" given that this is a game that lets you do everything on a single character. The real problem of the game is that progression is tied to the main story without any place-holder skips like you would find in other games (oddly enough even FFXI had place-holder skips). I mean, if its that much of an "issue," you can just level a job up to the msq level and leave it then do other stuff like it appears you already have. That said, the expansions do curb alot in exp simply because there's a lot less arbitrary quests later one and the ARR MSQ experience is supposed to be 'revamped' in 5.3 so I guess we'll see if they get it 'right' then. That aside, I'd probably wait a good bit until finding "complaints" since this one is an odd one to me (and trust me, I have a massive list of issues with this game).

    Kyleran said:
    Err, for we unfamiliar with this game, MSQ is what, and why is it a problem to out level it?

    Main Story Quest = MSQ. I wouldn't really say out leveling it is an issue personally, but since it is tied to character progression, it can feel like a slog. This means if you want to go to the new areas in expansions, you have to complete all the story related stuff first in the previous before you can. Its not like how wow or other games do like when you hit a certain level and can automatically start questing in the next expansion.
    Thanks, the OP makes so much more sense with this knowledge.

    Didn't they try to fix this by selling something to skip it in the cash shop?
    Buschkatze

    "See normal people, I'm not one of them" | G-Easy & Big Sean

    "I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant

    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing FO76 at the moment.

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  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 6,950
    FFXIV is one of those games that I think is actually designed for streaming. It's fun to watch but no one really wants to put in the work themselves.
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  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Member RarePosts: 9,686
    Rhoklaw said:
    FFXIV is one of those games that I think is actually designed for streaming. It's fun to watch but no one really wants to put in the work themselves.
    I decided to give it a month, but i can see where you are coming from..  might as well check the streams for the story..

    but then i still have 20+ days of sub.    Time enough after that to move back to ESO

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  • TillerTiller Member EpicPosts: 8,669
    edited February 28
    Rhoklaw said:
    FFXIV is one of those games that I think is actually designed for streaming. It's fun to watch but no one really wants to put in the work themselves.
    I decided to give it a month, but i can see where you are coming from..  might as well check the streams for the story..

    but then i still have 20+ days of sub.    Time enough after that to move back to ESO
    It levels out if you keep going. Currently halfway through Stormblood and everything is at my level now. There is literally so much to unlock and do in this game it's insane. I never knew how much stuff there was in it, It makes ESO look boring AF.

    Combat speeds up to the point where it becomes a juggling act hitting skills, dodging shit and figuring out dungeon boss mechanics, zones become huge and and open and being able to fly really helps. Some quests open up after you gain flight in each zone. The fishing is some next level stuff with the collectables and what not. The deep-sea fishing is a fast way to level to 60 and beyond ( I hit 60 in 3 days of casual fishing).

    Do the Grand Company stuff and hunting logs, beast tribes. You will have to go back into a few dungeons you have already done, but you can pick those up solo by choosing undersized party. Low level gear dropped turn in for company seals.

    The main-story is excellent to be honest and I hear the next expansion it gets even better. If you can handle some anime tropes honestly it's better than anything ESO, GW2 have been doing for years.

    Buschkatze
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    Elder Jedi/Elder Bounty Hunter
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