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Shiny Day (01/09/20) Copy, Pasta Job

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  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,852
    edited January 2020
    The more I see about this studio, the more nefarious they appear to be and the more deliberate the scam looks.I had been saying all along that they'd gotten in over their heads and can't back out now. But now, I'm thinking they deliberately mislead people to try to create another "Star Citizen" thinking they could develop a real game after they got their tens of millions.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 40,928
    The more I see about this studio, the more nefarious they appear to be and the more deliberate the scam looks.I had been saying all along that they'd gotten in over their heads and can't back out now. But now, I'm thinking they deliberately mislead people to try to create another "Star Citizen" thinking they could develop a real game after they got their tens of millions.
    Hey now, Jermey has a plan to take the game to delivery, the game development is going great, just put your head back under the covers and be sure to support the next sales promotion, everything will be fine.

    It's not a "scam" as they are trying to build this game, but it is a strong example of devs living in a land of delusion. 


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  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 3,523
    Kyleran said:
    The more I see about this studio, the more nefarious they appear to be and the more deliberate the scam looks.I had been saying all along that they'd gotten in over their heads and can't back out now. But now, I'm thinking they deliberately mislead people to try to create another "Star Citizen" thinking they could develop a real game after they got their tens of millions.
    Hey now, Jermey has a plan to take the game to delivery, the game development is going great, just put your head back under the covers and be sure to support the next sales promotion, everything will be fine.

    It's not a "scam" as they are trying to build this game, but it is a strong example of devs living in a land of delusion. 



    I dunno when you claim you can make a MMORPG like Chronicles of Elyria with 900k in a year Delusion Land and Scam City are pretty much the same place whether you want to admit it or not.
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  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 3,523
    OG_Zorvan said:
    Nilden said:
    Kyleran said:
    The more I see about this studio, the more nefarious they appear to be and the more deliberate the scam looks.I had been saying all along that they'd gotten in over their heads and can't back out now. But now, I'm thinking they deliberately mislead people to try to create another "Star Citizen" thinking they could develop a real game after they got their tens of millions.
    Hey now, Jermey has a plan to take the game to delivery, the game development is going great, just put your head back under the covers and be sure to support the next sales promotion, everything will be fine.

    It's not a "scam" as they are trying to build this game, but it is a strong example of devs living in a land of delusion. 



    I dunno when you claim you can make a MMORPG like Chronicles of Elyria with 900k in a year Delusion Land and Scam City are pretty much the same place whether you want to admit it or not.
    I'm an absolute nobody with amateur mod/dev skills, and I can still pretty much guarantee if someone gave me 900k, I could come up with more in a year by myself than Caspian's entire "team" has managed thus far.

    Oh I believe it.

    Especially considering we are over 3 years in and they are showing "mood piece" concept art that is pictures taken from pinterest and photoshoped...

    I can't even...
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 40,928
    edited January 2020
    Nilden said:
    Kyleran said:
    The more I see about this studio, the more nefarious they appear to be and the more deliberate the scam looks.I had been saying all along that they'd gotten in over their heads and can't back out now. But now, I'm thinking they deliberately mislead people to try to create another "Star Citizen" thinking they could develop a real game after they got their tens of millions.
    Hey now, Jermey has a plan to take the game to delivery, the game development is going great, just put your head back under the covers and be sure to support the next sales promotion, everything will be fine.

    It's not a "scam" as they are trying to build this game, but it is a strong example of devs living in a land of delusion. 



    I dunno when you claim you can make a MMORPG like Chronicles of Elyria with 900k in a year Delusion Land and Scam City are pretty much the same place whether you want to admit it or not.
    In the interest of fairness he corrected that in their Discord saying $900K Kickstarter funds were just to continue the "work" already done by the team using the funds put up by himself to bringing the game to a "playable" state.

    He was then looking for another $3M to $4M from "investors" to complete the game.

    Well, coming up soon on four years post KSer and almost $8M later, nary an investor in sight, same for a playable version either. 

    Still not really a scam in my book but YMMV.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 15,471
    Kyleran said:
    Nilden said:
    Kyleran said:
    The more I see about this studio, the more nefarious they appear to be and the more deliberate the scam looks.I had been saying all along that they'd gotten in over their heads and can't back out now. But now, I'm thinking they deliberately mislead people to try to create another "Star Citizen" thinking they could develop a real game after they got their tens of millions.
    Hey now, Jermey has a plan to take the game to delivery, the game development is going great, just put your head back under the covers and be sure to support the next sales promotion, everything will be fine.

    It's not a "scam" as they are trying to build this game, but it is a strong example of devs living in a land of delusion. 



    I dunno when you claim you can make a MMORPG like Chronicles of Elyria with 900k in a year Delusion Land and Scam City are pretty much the same place whether you want to admit it or not.
    In the interest of fairness he corrected that in their Discord saying $900K Kickstarter funds were just to continue the "work" already done by the team using the funds put up by himself to bringing the game to a "playable" state.

    He was then looking for another $3M to $4M from "investors" to complete the game.

    Well, coming up soon on four years post KSer and almost $8M later, nary an investor in sight, same for a playable version either. 

    Still not really a scam in my book but YMMV.
    I think it was an extra 2-3 million but either way it’s proven woefully short. I don’t think it was a scam either.  Where I do question motivations are things like not having the time to change the release date on their website for years.  Also things like what I feel is a lack of candor related to current development progress.  

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 15,471
    Looks like they were so embarrassed by the feedback  (or threatened) that they deleted the thread.  Or did they move it?

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  • TorrskTorrsk Member UncommonPosts: 295
    Looks like they were so embarrassed by the feedback  (or threatened) that they deleted the thread.  Or did they move it?
    Thread is still there, been updated and locked. Of course you can't tell it's been updated unless you happen to click on it. Weird is just odd. May as well have just deleted it. Here is a link in case you wanna read the updated version:

    https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/34562/shiny-day-01092020-little-boxes-on-the-hillside-and-theyre-all-made-of-shiny-ironwood
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 15,471
    edited January 2020
    Torrsk said:
    Looks like they were so embarrassed by the feedback  (or threatened) that they deleted the thread.  Or did they move it?
    Thread is still there, been updated and locked. Of course you can't tell it's been updated unless you happen to click on it. Weird is just odd. May as well have just deleted it. Here is a link in case you wanna read the updated version:

    https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/34562/shiny-day-01092020-little-boxes-on-the-hillside-and-theyre-all-made-of-shiny-ironwood
    I do not see any comments and the copy and paste “mood” art is gone.

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  • HolyAvengerOneHolyAvengerOne Member UncommonPosts: 706
    Torrsk said:
    Looks like they were so embarrassed by the feedback  (or threatened) that they deleted the thread.  Or did they move it?
    Thread is still there, been updated and locked. Of course you can't tell it's been updated unless you happen to click on it. Weird is just odd. May as well have just deleted it. Here is a link in case you wanna read the updated version:

    https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/34562/shiny-day-01092020-little-boxes-on-the-hillside-and-theyre-all-made-of-shiny-ironwood
    I do not see any comments and the copy and paste “mood” art is gone.
    Funny thing is, the pic in the OP of this thread is still available, linking on their website.

    Here's what they ninja-replaced it with: https://imgur.com/dAfCMlE

    Shitty.
  • goldboyy45goldboyy45 Member UncommonPosts: 293
    edited January 2020
    Torrsk said:
    Looks like they were so embarrassed by the feedback  (or threatened) that they deleted the thread.  Or did they move it?
    Thread is still there, been updated and locked. Of course you can't tell it's been updated unless you happen to click on it. Weird is just odd. May as well have just deleted it. Here is a link in case you wanna read the updated version:

    https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/34562/shiny-day-01092020-little-boxes-on-the-hillside-and-theyre-all-made-of-shiny-ironwood
    I do not see any comments and the copy and paste “mood” art is gone.
    Hey I've been out of the loop can you update me with some info? We know last week on Wednesday they made a nice formal post that there will be no shiny the following day because of the snow. Fast forward to this week and I don't believe I saw a shiny...nor a reason for its absence. Oddly enough, if you check their discord Serpentius posted yesterday that people should stop fabrication information...when some one called him out on it and ashed is there somewhere they can discuss this Serp answered nope.

    Is Serpentius okay or is he going through something? Hopefully the studios is doing okay.

    Lets recap 2020, so far, with one week left in January...no state of elyria which was promised to be in December...Settlers of Elyria has been down for almost 5 weeks now, zero indication wtf is wrong or when it will be back up. They admitted to releasing a shiny that was meant to be for internal purposes...literally stole/photoshopped it. The week before gave an excuse that for safety reasons no shiny because of the snow...this week they one step upped themselves by not even giving a damn. 

    Does anyone know what is going on with this studios? 4 years and 8M cash, every deadline missed and this is how they treat us? Can some one correct me if anything i said is wrong?

    Serpentius?Today at 8:32 AM

    You know, if these server channels continue to be abused, we may decide to just shut them down..

    Serpentius?Yesterday at 10:52 PM

    The worst part are when people make up and promote complete fabrications and pass them around as truths, IMHO.
    That's my only comment, BlobWave
  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,630
    Stay tuned. I hear they are using a bounce house castle as the mood piece for the next capital city.
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  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 4,860
    Their next shiny might be them telling their audience they had an idea but decided not to share it because others have ideas too. It would be very unlikely they had an idea in the first place though, they need to have a clue first.

    /Cheers,
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  • TorrskTorrsk Member UncommonPosts: 295
    @goldboyy45

    Not much of anything be going on. People have been asking most of the day about the shiny piece, on the forums as well. The only thing Serpentius bother to say was the following:

    Serpentius?Today at 2:19 PM

    After almost 3 years of being at the studio, I can tell you what would happen. 1. I ask and get an answer, that isn't the answer you or someone else wants to hear. Then that answer gets bashed or other untruths are made up and propagated just because. 2. I ask and don't get an answer. Now the whole room starts making up things as to why I didn't get you an answer, and then those get propagated as the truth throughout the community. Unfortunately, in these situations and knowing of the members here, it is a lose-lose scenario for us. When I hear more info about a shiny and I'm given permission to share whatever that info is, I will do so. Thanks and have a great evening.

    So because some people may take it the wrong way, we get nothing? Well good fucking good there. It's been complete radio silence on their part. Even Serp has been pretty quiet really. So not sure if they are really close to dropping SoE or it's the complete opposite and nothing is going well. 

    Personally I don't overall mind the silence. If they at least just wrote something like. "In regard to how people are feeling about the company, we will be taking a step back and solo working on the game. When we next release a shiny, it will be something important". This just looks like Caspian has thrown his toys away and now everyone is going to suffer from it. 

    As for the comment of him shutting down the EU server channel. That server has always been toxic as all fuck. For years people would borderline bully people. I may not like Zultra/Maulvorn. But the amount of plain abuse/bullying/downvote armies that followed him around for years and SBS did fucking nothing to fix it. Well I have no idea why they care now. Not that I have any clue what is going on in that channel. But they set the standard years back that players can do and talk however they like to each other. The point I never got a warning after calling multi different people cunts, on the forums, is proof of that.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 15,471
    That response from Serpenius is hysterical.  He is the Community Manager.  He is the conduit between community and developers.   He should have found out what happened as soon as it was late Thursday and told everyone.  Not only didn’t he do that, but instead he tells the community a day later that he won’t even ask about it?

    W
    T
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    This Guy is worse than useless.  He’s actively making the community even more toxic.  It’s like he’s going out of his way to make stupid comments and stir up resentment.

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  • Thomas2006Thomas2006 Member RarePosts: 1,152
    He wont ask about it because everyone knows what happened and they got got on it. I would not doubt if within the next two years you hear them shutting this thing completely down.

    It was a scam from the start when they wanted to such a low amount to get a working example to pitch to publishers. There is not a publisher in the world that will touch the company and game now. They have completely miss managed all the money they have got and continue to get and have nothing to really show for all that money.  Other then I bet they have new houses and new cars to use.

    All these little videos of here is a pre-alpha with some store bought assets tossed into a example project that joe down the road could do in a weeks time with no know how.

    The whole we are using all this fancy tech to make the game faster without any experience.  Yeah that worked out great for them. I am amazed they can even get anything out of the unreal engine at the rate they are going / stuff they have shown.  I bet the outsourced these little single player demos from some outside firm.
  • AkulasAkulas Member RarePosts: 2,939
    Serp the derp strikes again

    This isn't a signature, you just think it is.

  • goldboyy45goldboyy45 Member UncommonPosts: 293
    edited January 2020
    That response from Serpenius is hysterical.  He is the Community Manager.  He is the conduit between community and developers.   He should have found out what happened as soon as it was late Thursday and told everyone.  Not only didn’t he do that, but instead he tells the community a day later that he won’t even ask about it?

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    F
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    This Guy is worse than useless.  He’s actively making the community even more toxic.  It’s like he’s going out of his way to make stupid comments and stir up resentment.
    Really not sure why Serpentius is lying. If you want i can dig up the fairly recent picture where Sepentius on Discord said "Guys, i work with the employees in the office right by them, of course i know what they are working on and what is going on"...so yes, Serpentius knows exactly what is up, which is why i am bewildered he flat out lied and tried to stall for time by seeming unsure wtf is going on, this is a pure lie unless he is working from home now?....

    BTW, Serpentius was mocking the community yesterday on discord. He was lurking in the common room and any negative or questionable question/comment he was putting "violin" and "FakeNews" emojis on them. Instead of doing his f'n job he felt it be a good ideas to trigger people.

    How does Caspian allow this? If i was his boss i would sit him down and tell him to do his f'n job.

    Can we pretty much all agree the snow day excuse is bullcrap now? If that had any true to being the reason for the day how the heck did he not post something this week? Even if it's a simple "listen, the shiny will be delayed this week and i'll have more info for you when i can..or we are reevaluating the shinies moving forward and will be releasing them at a diff rate but with more meaning...instead radio silence from the studio with cryptic passive aggressive hissy fits from Serp. Grow the f*** up.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 15,471
    How does Caspian allow it?  Well I have said for years that he may be a talented programmer and have great sounding ideas but he’s an utter failure as a leader.  I think even most supporters (and almost certainly all his employees) know this.

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  • OrangeBoyOrangeBoy Member UncommonPosts: 213
    You're right, serp is a derp, but can you guys imagine the shit storm in another year, damn
  • goldboyy45goldboyy45 Member UncommonPosts: 293
    OrangeBoy said:
    You're right, serp is a derp, but can you guys imagine the shit storm in another year, damn
    why in another year? look at 2020 so far, it's as if they are purposely tanking this and exiting while blaming ppl for being toxic and not wanting this game.
  • goldboyy45goldboyy45 Member UncommonPosts: 293
    How does Caspian allow it?  Well I have said for years that he may be a talented programmer and have great sounding ideas but he’s an utter failure as a leader.  I think even most supporters (and almost certainly all his employees) know this.

    I genuinely feel compassion for Caspian's employees. It's the leadership i have doubt in. How can anyone work for this guy? He will put his team down any opportunity he gets and then complain how he has to spend his time cleaning it up. Caspian is way over his head. At this point he should step down, that would be the best news for this studios.
  • OrangeBoyOrangeBoy Member UncommonPosts: 213
    How does Caspian allow it?  Well I have said for years that he may be a talented programmer and have great sounding ideas but he’s an utter failure as a leader.  I think even most supporters (and almost certainly all his employees) know this.

    I genuinely feel compassion for Caspian's employees. It's the leadership i have doubt in. How can anyone work for this guy? He will put his team down any opportunity he gets and then complain how he has to spend his time cleaning it up. Caspian is way over his head. At this point he should step down, that would be the best news for this studios.
    Not gonna lie, I don't care much about him or his employees. If you're able to be employed by this clown, then you can go and find a job as a developer somewhere else. I genuinely don't understand why people care about whether these guys, with CS degrees, will be able to find a job or not, seems like a sentiment you'd apply to people who are worse off. 

    Saying that, the backers must be sweating bullets due to these last 2-3 months. Completely circus that is ultimately just gonna end up as another piece of valuable literature for MMOs and Kickstarters. 
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  • TorrskTorrsk Member UncommonPosts: 295
    Serpentius is nothing but a cunt really. To link what Goldboyy was talking about:

    He was just answering a guy, asking about the lack of shiny.

    [NA-E] Count Anatol EmaraçaToday at 1:44 AM

    This is the first week where they have refused to answer questions about the shiny. Read into that what you will.

    GunneyToday at 1:47 AM

    I doubt it means much. If they go silence next week well that be something


    [NA-E] Count Anatol EmaraçaToday at 1:48 AM

    It means something, but perhaps not much. Last week they gave reasons, this week they didn't. When you have a customer service team, these things don't happen randomly.
    FakeNews
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    Yeah, they probably just forgot and the requests for answers are getting caught in their filters...

    [NA-E] Count Anatol EmaraçaToday at 1:52 AM When your customer service people are trolling customers... 

    SerpentiusToday at 1:55 AM Nah i only do that to trolls, not to people.. The rampant negative speculations by the same people over and over again lately to try and instigate more of the same isnt helping anyone. I wish you a wonderful weekend regardless.

    It be one thing if Serpentius was just trolling a random nobody, the point Anatol is a 10ker, thus a higher backer. Biting the hand that feeds them and all. Serp is very much above any rules, if people put in a support ticket about him, it goes to him. 

    Also surprising people still stand up for SBS when they are this unprofessional. If he is sick of it, whatever. Don't start trolling backers. Over such a simple issue as well.
  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 4,860
    Torrsk said:
    Serpentius is nothing but a cunt really. To link what Goldboyy was talking about:

    He was just answering a guy, asking about the lack of shiny.

    [NA-E] Count Anatol EmaraçaToday at 1:44 AM

    This is the first week where they have refused to answer questions about the shiny. Read into that what you will.

    GunneyToday at 1:47 AM

    I doubt it means much. If they go silence next week well that be something


    [NA-E] Count Anatol EmaraçaToday at 1:48 AM

    It means something, but perhaps not much. Last week they gave reasons, this week they didn't. When you have a customer service team, these things don't happen randomly.
    FakeNews
    1
    Yeah, they probably just forgot and the requests for answers are getting caught in their filters...

    [NA-E] Count Anatol EmaraçaToday at 1:52 AM When your customer service people are trolling customers... 

    SerpentiusToday at 1:55 AM Nah i only do that to trolls, not to people.. The rampant negative speculations by the same people over and over again lately to try and instigate more of the same isnt helping anyone. I wish you a wonderful weekend regardless.

    It be one thing if Serpentius was just trolling a random nobody, the point Anatol is a 10ker, thus a higher backer. Biting the hand that feeds them and all. Serp is very much above any rules, if people put in a support ticket about him, it goes to him. 

    Also surprising people still stand up for SBS when they are this unprofessional. If he is sick of it, whatever. Don't start trolling backers. Over such a simple issue as well.
    So, wait. SBS has promised news/answers/updates/shinies/whatever to the community through Serpentius and hasn’t delivered any of that. They even kept silent.

    Then the community wonders what is going on and speculates, not even that negatively when looking at your quotes, and in response the same community manager that failed to deliver in the first place, the actual reason for the speculation in the first place, turns it around and blames it on the community?

    Please tell me I am missing something because that is some next level retarded......

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir


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    It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.

    It is just huge resource waste....'

    Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer

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