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ESO is NOT a WoW Clone

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  • TheocritusTheocritus Member EpicPosts: 7,671
    ESO wishes it was good enough to be considered a WoW clone. Pure garbage.
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  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,756
    ESO wishes it was good enough to be considered a WoW clone. Pure garbage.
    everyone is entitled to an opinion. 
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  • QuarterStackQuarterStack Member RarePosts: 433
    edited December 2019
    Well, the OP reads more like "Why ESO is better than WoW" than "How ESO is different than WoW", so that was disappointing. I was expecting more of a dispassionate, side-by-side comparison. Instead, I read more of a "this is better than that". 

    For what it's worth, I agree completely that ESO is not a WoW Clone; no more so than any other MMO is in that it has quests and levels and combat, etc. ESO is more like an Elder Scrolls game with MMO elements built around it (which can make it feel less like a TES game at times, but that's a different discussion). I always got the same sense from FFXI - where it was a Final Fantasy game with MMO elements built on to it (FFXIV, incidentally, is the exact reverse of that).

    So, to wit, I agree with the OP's title, and arguments they make along the way do ring true (combat and character building being more open and diverse, world-design being more world-like, exploration being more rewarded, etc.)

    I just feel like their argument is lost in the "my game is better than yours" approach to the post. Going on the history of these forums, and others, people can get hung up on the "which is better" part, and miss the intended point of the post. 

    An actual, impartial side-by-side needn't, and really shouldn't, try to state which is better. Someone could fully appreciate the openness and design of ESO, but still prefer something more like WoW. And vice-versa. 
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  • KajidourdenKajidourden Member EpicPosts: 3,025
    Anyone who thought that was an idiot anyway.
  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 7,368
    edited December 2019
    klash2def said:


    "nO 1 hAs eVeer cALLeD eSO a wOw cLoNe"

    I told myself I wouldn't do this because all of you saying this can just use your fingers and eyes to find these yourself.

    So I guess threads like this one must be from another website then? 

    https://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/434181/in-what-ways-is-eso-a-generic-wow-clone/p2

    An entire thread with people discussing how much of a clone ESO is.. but you guys swear it never happened? So there are no people in that thread saying its a clone? This is one example. I've seen several of these over the years, threads, comments, etc. 

    Hell just recently HERE an article was written about ESO and the writer said he thought ESO was a WoW clone at first. So to say that not ONE person ever had the thought is silly. To say that nobody thinks so even right now is just as silly. I don't care that you don't think so. great. It does not make it less valid what I'm saying. Just because you haven't seen it does not mean it hasn't happened.

    I was more so talking to the ones that do and have considered it a WoW clone. I'm not here to debate which of you said so. I just know people have said it several times over the years and I saw it again recently. 

    It's like you guys are trying so hard to disprove something. I don't understand what you gain from it though. My writing isn't to debate "The People that said ESO is a WoW Clone" Idc frankly. My point is more about the difference between the two. How one is superior to the other in many ways. 

    EDIT: You realize that not everyone has played ESO right? What if they heard it was a clone a few years back and wrote it off? I think it helps to hear a current opinion.
    Instead, people are in this thread trying to dispute if they said it, or heard it. weird.

    You realize the example you gave has 1 person in 3 pages of responses claiming Wow is somewhat a Wow clone( basing that on its convienence and casual approach) , every other response is

     NO its not

      And more people saying they have never seen it referenced  as such ...
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  • kertinkertin Member UncommonPosts: 252
    yeah, if it was an actual WoW clone, ESO could be a great game :), now it's just bad, it's not that popular but even it's not popular I'd say it's still so overrated game that deserves less audience, it's just sad take on the Elder scrolls franchise :)...combat does so much in games and combat in ESO? ouch, pure tragedy 
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  • QuarterStackQuarterStack Member RarePosts: 433
    edited December 2019
    Scorchien said:
     they said it, or heard it. weird.

    You realize the example you gave has 1 person in 3 pages of responses claiming Wow is somewhat a Wow clone( basing that on its convienence and casual approach) , every other response is

     NO its not

      And more people saying they have never seen it referenced  as such ...
    To be fair, I've seen people call just about everything a WoW clone, including non-MMOs. I've seen people unironically call EQ1 a WoW Clone. 

    People will make those comparisons based on the most tenuous details. "The game has you running around in a fantasy setting killing mobs and doing quests... And there's COLORS! Ergo, WoW Clone". Nooooot exactly a convincing case, ya know? lol

    I have seen people call ESO a WoW clone as well. Is it pervasive? No. But it does happen. Apparently enough that it irked the OP into writing their post lol.


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  • ForgrimmForgrimm Member EpicPosts: 2,993
    Scorchien said:
    klash2def said:


    "nO 1 hAs eVeer cALLeD eSO a wOw cLoNe"

    I told myself I wouldn't do this because all of you saying this can just use your fingers and eyes to find these yourself.

    So I guess threads like this one must be from another website then? 

    https://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/434181/in-what-ways-is-eso-a-generic-wow-clone/p2

    An entire thread with people discussing how much of a clone ESO is.. but you guys swear it never happened? So there are no people in that thread saying its a clone? This is one example. I've seen several of these over the years, threads, comments, etc. 

    Hell just recently HERE an article was written about ESO and the writer said he thought ESO was a WoW clone at first. So to say that not ONE person ever had the thought is silly. To say that nobody thinks so even right now is just as silly. I don't care that you don't think so. great. It does not make it less valid what I'm saying. Just because you haven't seen it does not mean it hasn't happened.

    I was more so talking to the ones that do and have considered it a WoW clone. I'm not here to debate which of you said so. I just know people have said it several times over the years and I saw it again recently. 

    It's like you guys are trying so hard to disprove something. I don't understand what you gain from it though. My writing isn't to debate "The People that said ESO is a WoW Clone" Idc frankly. My point is more about the difference between the two. How one is superior to the other in many ways. 

    EDIT: You realize that not everyone has played ESO right? What if they heard it was a clone a few years back and wrote it off? I think it helps to hear a current opinion.
    Instead, people are in this thread trying to dispute if they said it, or heard it. weird.

    You realize the example you gave has 1 person in 3 pages of responses claiming Wow is somewhat a Wow clone( basing that on its convience) , every other response is

     NO its not

      And more people saying they have never seen it referenced  as such ...
    Yup, and it's also a 4 and a half year old thread.
    Scorchien
  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,756
    edited December 2019
    This is part of the reason I don't post much.  People here are so argumentive. It's like you guys come here looking for stupid shit to pick out and argue about. 

    I literally said this was my opinion and not an attack on WoW. ESO is not a WoW clone here is why.

    I Gave well thought out reasons and even one could say I believe ESO is better. I said such.

    People were saying "Nobody ever said that I never heard that here, prove somebody said it" as if them not seeing it makes it invalid. so I posted a link of some people saying it. There are several threads, I told you to look it up because it's not my point. My point was about the two games being different but yet and still, here we are with people still talking about who said what. 

    IDC who said what man. I really don't care, you guys care about that. I care about the fact that ESO isn't a WoW clone. Very weird that people are trying to twist it into something else completely. I notice its the same people in every thread that do this. 

    Just because you didn't hear it, or you didn't say it, doesn't make it any less true what I'm saying. I'm confused about why that is the talking point anyway for you instead of what's actually being talked about.

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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 13,317
    Palebane said:
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    Everything is a WoW clone, everything! 

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  • Vermillion_RaventhalVermillion_Raventhal Member EpicPosts: 4,099
    Most themepark games will be considered WoW clones as questhub based gameplay experience was a WoW thing. 

    Combat, classes and window dressing many times doesn't change the feel that you're mostly doing the same types of quest for experience.  
  • TruvidiennTruvidienn Member UncommonPosts: 69
    I think ESO is a great game.. I just wish all the cool looking shit wasn't through the crown store. Several mounts/armor I would love to have but would cost a ton of money. 
  • Jamar870Jamar870 Member UncommonPosts: 457
    ESO doesn't have a required sub, right? So they have a the store as a revenue stream.

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  • cameltosiscameltosis Member EpicPosts: 2,605
    How much of a game has to be based on the same design principles for it to be considered a clone?


    Both are themeparks
    Both are based on the holy trinity
    Both are quest based
    Both are based on vertical progression
    Both are primarily PvE with PvP set off to the side
    Both are fantasy games
    Both are primarily solo leveling games with group-based endgame
    Both have extensive gear grinds at endgame

    So, there are certainly a hell of a lot of similarities. Enough to call it a clone?

    The primary differences, as far as I can tell are:

    ESO has shallow action combat, WoW has (had?) deeper tab-target combat
    WoWs quests are linear, ESO's are non-linear
    Different approaches to PvP


    I'm not arguing either way, just to be clear. I never got into WoW, only trying it out after having played LotRO and so was put off by the childish styling. I wanted to like ESO, but the combat just sucked big time, sooooo shallow! All I'm saying is that there are more similarities in design philosophy than there are differences.

    Also, like others have said, it doesn't really make a difference whether something is called a clone or not. I don't find it helpful. For example, I loved vanilla LotRO, but disliked WoW and grew to hate SWTOR. Supposedly, they're all basically the same game, certainly sharing tons of similarities. But LotRO's inclusion of support classes and more mature theme and community meant I just had a ton of fun, whereas SWTORs shallow combat, easy content and poorly designed meta game meant i didnt have much fun at all.
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  • Viper482Viper482 Member EpicPosts: 3,132
    Sure isn't ….WoW is a much better MMORPG.
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  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,826
    edited December 2019

    WoW clones stopped being relevant somewhere around SWTOR;s release.

    At least that's about the time WoW Clone threads started taking more than 2 days for a new one to appear.

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,357
    edited December 2019
    klash2def said:
    This is part of the reason I don't post much.  People here are so argumentive. It's like you guys come here looking for stupid shit to pick out and argue about. 

    Young people are really clueless 
    Duuuuh!  Lookout guys, he's on to us.

    Fixed the last sentence for you.

     :D 


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  • olepiolepi Member RarePosts: 1,437
    edited December 2019
    ESO is not a WoW clone. ESO was designed for the console; your action bar has 5 slots, +1 Ultimate, that's it. At level 15, you can switch out to another 5 slot action bar. All of the WoW clones allow you to have dozens or more abilities slotted at once.

    Since everybody has so few action slots, almost everybody has the same builds. Many builds give up one or more slots for buffs you have to keep on both bars, leaving even fewer abilities available. And all magic users will have either a destro staff or restro staff. So being one class or another really boils down to just a couple class abilities, with the rest being the same thing everybody else has. Stamina the same way, everybody has the same weapons, meaning the different classes again boil down to just a couple class skills difference.

    And you can't build hybrid characters. You either go magic or stamina. Every class can do every role, because there isn't much difference between the classes. Different races have even less differentiation.

    And unlike DAOC, where the three sides have different classes with different abilities, the three sides in ESO all have the same classes.


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  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member EpicPosts: 8,587
    WoW and ESO share many of the same game features but it's like comparing fired chicken to Chicken Parm. I have been playing WoW on and off since 2004 and ESO for 6 months. WoW changed leveling by adding quests. ESO made quests into more by telling a story. WoW has has many ways to PvP that's purely about gear and out of reach by most casual player. ESO has made PvP be about skill by keeping all gear within reach of anybody if you can maintain a connection to their servers in Cyrodiil lol.

    WoW has the game so pazed you can't play with friends unless you are on the very same steps of the quest. ESO has fixed the mess of their launch by making sure you can team with anyone of any level of any quest or dungeon.

    WoW gates content by levels, making most zones feel empty and not worth revisiting. ESO is filled with players of all levels, helping people and working together to complete content. 

    WoW has crafting that's mostly useless but for a few select trades. Other then when expansions hit most people don't need crafted items to upgrade their gear. ESO's has a crafters in high demand.

    If ESO could fix their server problems, I think ESO could easily compete with WoW. WoW has gotten lazy and is mostly resting on pass success or ripping ideas from upcoming new MMOs they have lost their passion. ESO has the passion and drive to make a MMO fans can get behind but keeps making stupid mistakes on how to handle servers. Still IMO ESO has surpassed WoW in quality and passion. 
    klash2def
  • VengeSunsoarVengeSunsoar Member RarePosts: 6,590
    I've never really heard ESO being described as a WoW clone before.
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  • AdoniAdoni Member UncommonPosts: 389
    Viper482 said:
    Sure isn't ….WoW is a much better MMORPG.
    We can agree to disagree on this :) 

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,357
    I've never really heard ESO being described as a WoW clone before.
    Every now and then there's a crazy, like those who call WOW a sandbox or say EVE isn't a skill based game....it happens.
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  • ArteriusArterius Member EpicPosts: 2,839
    edited December 2019
    Kyleran said:
    I've never really heard ESO being described as a WoW clone before.
    Every now and then there's a crazy, like those who call WOW a sandbox or say EVE isn't a skill based game....it happens.
    Wait @Kyleran. You mean to tell me there are legit people in the world who saw that WoW is a sandbox and mean it.


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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,357
    Arterius said:
    Kyleran said:
    I've never really heard ESO being described as a WoW clone before.
    Every now and then there's a crazy, like those who call WOW a sandbox or say EVE isn't a skill based game....it happens.
    Wait @Kyleran. You mean to tell me there are legit people in the world who saw that WoW is a sandbox and mean it.


    Not sure how legit they are, but their confusion / error tends to lie with claims since WOW is a persistent open virtual world it is ergo a sandbox, or some such as this.

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  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 3,667
    Kyleran said:
    Arterius said:
    Kyleran said:
    I've never really heard ESO being described as a WoW clone before.
    Every now and then there's a crazy, like those who call WOW a sandbox or say EVE isn't a skill based game....it happens.
    Wait @Kyleran. You mean to tell me there are legit people in the world who saw that WoW is a sandbox and mean it.


    Not sure how legit they are, but their confusion / error tends to lie with claims since WOW is a persistent open virtual world it is ergo a sandbox, or some such as this.
    WoW isn’t a sandbox you sillies, its a Star Citizen clone. (ESO totally is a WoW clone btw, just helping the OP here).

    /Cheers,
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