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Chronicles of Elyria...Who falls for this predatory crap?

MightyUncleanMightyUnclean Member EpicPosts: 3,531
According to this article, up to $3,500 for land in a game that's in internal pre-alpha and may never release.  Truly predatory.

https://massivelyop.com/2019/12/18/chronicles-of-elyria-begins-putting-unclaimed-land-up-for-sale-for-a-limited-time/
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  • some-clueless-guysome-clueless-guy Member UncommonPosts: 227
    How is this predatory? The players who chose to spend money are all consenting adults with no mental issues; I think...
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  • MightyUncleanMightyUnclean Member EpicPosts: 3,531
    edited December 2019
    How is this predatory? The players who chose to spend money are all consenting adults with no mental issues; I think...

    Definition of predatory

    1a: of, relating to, or practicing plunder, pillage, or rapine
    b: inclined or intended to injure or exploit others for personal gain or profitpredatory pricing practices

    ex·ploit
    verb
    /ikˈsploit/
    1. make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).

    In my opinion, this is intended to exploit others for personal gain, and not in a reasonable sense that reputable businesses gain from their customers.
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  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671
    How is this predatory? The players who chose to spend money are all consenting adults with no mental issues; I think...

    Definition of predatory

    1a: of, relating to, or practicing plunder, pillage, or rapine
    b: inclined or intended to injure or exploit others for personal gain or profitpredatory pricing practices

    ex·ploit
    verb
    /ikˈsploit/
    1. make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).

    In my opinion, this is intended to exploit others for personal gain, and not in a reasonable sense that reputable businesses gain from their customers.

    I'll never support anything SBS does, but I will say that stuff like this wouldn't be as common as it is now if people didn't support it. So, sure trying to crack down on these things existing as an option is one approach, but who's to say the government just wouldn't go as far as China, where they limit how much you can spend on a game per week/month as well as how often you can game, so on and so forth.
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  • fearufearu Member UncommonPosts: 288
    edited December 2019
    It's pray is the desperate fanboi losers who keep buying this shit because "they want to see the game one day" and are probably already monetarily "invested" in it thus not wanting to see the light one day of being ripped off.
    Axxar
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 16,983
    According to this article, up to $3,500 for land in a game that's in internal pre-alpha and may never release.  Truly predatory.

    https://massivelyop.com/2019/12/18/chronicles-of-elyria-begins-putting-unclaimed-land-up-for-sale-for-a-limited-time/
    For the record... the “Kings” paid 10k for their land and some paid for double Kingdoms ($20k)
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    How is this predatory? The players who chose to spend money are all consenting adults with no mental issues; I think...
    Not so sure about that second part.
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  • MightyUncleanMightyUnclean Member EpicPosts: 3,531
    According to this article, up to $3,500 for land in a game that's in internal pre-alpha and may never release.  Truly predatory.

    https://massivelyop.com/2019/12/18/chronicles-of-elyria-begins-putting-unclaimed-land-up-for-sale-for-a-limited-time/
    For the record... the “Kings” paid 10k for their land and some paid for double Kingdoms ($20k)
    I don't even know what to say.  Even after seeing this kind of spending in SotA, my mind still has trouble grasping it.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Robokapp said:
    How is this predatory? The players who chose to spend money are all consenting adults with no mental issues; I think...

    Definition of predatory

    1a: of, relating to, or practicing plunder, pillage, or rapine
    b: inclined or intended to injure or exploit others for personal gain or profitpredatory pricing practices

    ex·ploit
    verb
    /ikˈsploit/
    1. make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).

    In my opinion, this is intended to exploit others for personal gain, and not in a reasonable sense that reputable businesses gain from their customers.
    sooo...McDonalds?
    Not their fries... those rule.
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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    edited December 2019
    How is this predatory? The players who chose to spend money are all consenting adults with no mental issues; I think...
    ...I think you hit the nail on the head.

    It speaks more about those who are concerned how others are spending their own money, that is indeed disturbed attitude in very heinous way.
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  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 1,115
    Robokapp said:
    How is this predatory? The players who chose to spend money are all consenting adults with no mental issues; I think...

    Definition of predatory

    1a: of, relating to, or practicing plunder, pillage, or rapine
    b: inclined or intended to injure or exploit others for personal gain or profitpredatory pricing practices

    ex·ploit
    verb
    /ikˈsploit/
    1. make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).

    In my opinion, this is intended to exploit others for personal gain, and not in a reasonable sense that reputable businesses gain from their customers.
    sooo...McDonalds?
    99p for a burger doesn’t seems predatory behaviour.
    If anything, they should increase their prices so people will avoid getting fat on burgers and fries.

    I don’t think COE behaviour is predatory either.
    Whoever has $10k to throw at a game can probably afford it... and people with mental issues don’t have that kind of money.

    Should they spend that kind of money on a game?
    Hell no.
    Not because I give a shit how they spend their money, but because they ruin the game balance and the chances for the game to be somewhat successful (most players don’t like to play with the Whales as a matter of principle).

    In the end it’s the Developers fault for not coming up with a more reasonable way of funding their game.
    This will end up exactly like SotA.


    Gdemami
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Gdemami said:
    How is this predatory? The players who chose to spend money are all consenting adults with no mental issues; I think...
    ...I think you hit the nail on the head.

    It speaks more about those who are concerned how others are spending their own money, that is indeed disturbed attitude in very heinous way.
    This seems to go right over your head over and over so I'll try to use small words.

    No one gives a shit about how other people spend their money even if some of it is idiotic and totally laughable.

    What people in this forum give a shit about is scammers casting a net to try to land those people who do spend their money idiotically and make a living at it.

    More than once I've wondered if you even have a moral compass with your constant defense of any and all schemes to separate people from money from the mildly predatory to the outrageously so. Your credibility in these topics is zero because you defend them all as if you think that all ways of separating people from money are just as good as any other. Grats on thinking like a criminal.
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  • lukezlukez Member UncommonPosts: 27
    I understand where you are coming from as the price seems to be a little high for an average gamer. Also, there is no guarantee for the buyers that the product will be successfully completed, so that they receive the value they are paying for.

    However, for me, this does not qualify as a predatory practice as this information is available to the potential customers. I mean all they do is they offer a product at a certain stage of development for a price. The people make a decision freely if they want to represent the demand for this supply at that price or not.


    ook how many people gamble at casinos... how many people gave bernie madoff money.... how many people invested into Elizabeth Holmes scam... 

    This is so obviously exploitation.... it's worse than selling loot boxes because at this stage you're paying for thin air that might turn into a dream at some point

    If i sold an apple that will maybe or maybe not grow in 150 years but when it does it'll maybe be made out of gold... people would call it a scam... and that's exactly what they do
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 22,955
    edited December 2019
    One thing that strikes me and shows how bad a path gaming has gone down is that for all this talk of predatory practice so few posters mention the P2W element. You are paying to run the game, dukes will be in an unassailable position only threatened by other dukes.

    To me predatory practice is fostered by P2W, if you allow a game to be so dependant on P2W elements the opportunity and temptation are clearly greater for malpractice. That said this is down to the company, they are choosing to be as money grabbing as possible.
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  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,888
    I don't think their price is predatory practice, but their flash sale might be if people really have only 20 minutes to make their decision. Generally businesses aren't allowed to ask you to make purchase decision without time for proper research unless there's some valid reason.

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  • TorrskTorrsk Member UncommonPosts: 295
    Iselin said:
    Gdemami said:
    How is this predatory? The players who chose to spend money are all consenting adults with no mental issues; I think...
    ...I think you hit the nail on the head.

    It speaks more about those who are concerned how others are spending their own money, that is indeed disturbed attitude in very heinous way.
    This seems to go right over your head over and over so I'll try to use small words.

    No one gives a shit about how other people spend their money even if some of it is idiotic and totally laughable.

    What people in this forum give a shit about is scammers casting a net to try to land those people who do spend their money idiotically and make a living at it.

    More than once I've wondered if you even have a moral compass with your constant defense of any and all schemes to separate people from money from the mildly predatory to the outrageously so. Your credibility in these topics is zero because you defend them all as if you think that all ways of separating people from money are just as good as any other. Grats on thinking like a criminal.
    You could say the whole of CoE funding is dodgy then. As are most other crowdfunded/EA games out there. All promising the world, with really nothing holding them accountable. Even though Gdemami is nothing short of a cunt, he is on the money. Who gives a fuck if people are idiots with their money? I don't agree with people that buy smokes, for the insane price they cost these days. Not going to get in their face about it though. 

    So many different things in this world prey on people. Yet I never see people kicking up a stink about those things. Yet suddenly this is a big deal? Very interesting.
  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,100
    edited December 2019
    I see my own friends buy handbags for ridiculous amounts. They're stupid but it is their money and they are entitled to spend it as they like. I don't buy expensive handbags or clothes. Only buy during sales but I spend on my computer so they may think I'm silly for that.

    I do think that  is terrible that people spend their money so unwisely but we cannot do anything about it plus in the case of branded items it is a huge industry. Millions make their living off it.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    edited December 2019
    Torrsk said:

    So many different things in this world prey on people. Yet I never see people kicking up a stink about those things. 
    You're not looking in the right places then. You can shrug it off and be as fatalistic as you want but many don't. At least they don't if they give a shit.

    People doing dumb shit with their money is neither new nor a big deal but that has never been a reason to think that the ones who profit from it are the good guys like he seems to think. Sleaze is sleaze and when it happens in something you care about, calling it out is never a bad thing.

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  • ohioastroohioastro Member UncommonPosts: 534
    At some point, industry practices can become so repulsive that they have consequences.  MMOs have a *terrible* reputation in the wider gaming community - as being bad games, with trivial and repetitive play; as being designed as massive time sinks that impact relationships. 

    Now we're adding financial exploitation, soaking people who are hooked on their games for huge sums of money.  This, of course, makes a mockery of them as games - normal people will avoid anything where someone else can pay cash to beat you - particularly when paired with ganking the weak "game play."  There is no other context in the gaming world where anyone sees this stuff as remotely OK.

    I view this as pretty similar to drug addiction, and I have about as much sympathy at this point for MMO game designers who soak addicts for their money as I do for drug pushers.  At this point, I'm in "call my lawmakers" mode to ban the worst tactics, make sure that children can't access them, and so on.  I used to play MMOs like LOTRO and ESO that I now won't touch with a bargepole because of how they get their money.  I cheerfully paid for subs, and buy the games that I use.  But enough is enough.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,498
    edited December 2019
    Gdemami said:
    How is this predatory? The players who chose to spend money are all consenting adults with no mental issues; I think...
    ...I think you hit the nail on the head.

    It speaks more about those who are concerned how others are spending their own money, that is indeed disturbed attitude in very heinous way.
    Hey, well done, you managed to misuse the word heinous in a more hyperbolic manner worse than predatory was used in the OP.  :D

    I suspect people who genuinely have lots of extra money rarely spend much time criticizing others on how they spend money, nor are very concerned about what others think how they spend their own.

    Though their is a certain subset, mostly nouveau riche who revel in showing off their wealth in a conspicuous, "look ma, I made it" manner.

    I know it I came into a bunch o' money I sure wouldn't spend a moment worrying about what others thought of my plans to buy an island and begin work on bringing about total world domination.

    Or was that destruction? No matter, either works for me.

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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,630
    I just wish I could think of something illusory to sell for $3,500. Anyone want a pet Grumpkin?
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  • SpiiderSpiider Member RarePosts: 1,135
    Can I be an outlaw not caring about kings and rulers that paid their way into a position of power? If not then HARD PASS.

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 16,983
    Spiider said:
    Can I be an outlaw not caring about kings and rulers that paid their way into a position of power? If not then HARD PASS.
    Right now you can be anything you can dream up because there is no game to play.  The real fun will start when all those dreams hit reality.
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  • GutlardGutlard Member RarePosts: 1,019
    It's not for the Have-Nots' to understand what the Haves' do with their money.

    I spent $280 or so on 37 PS4 games during their sales this season, and plan to play every damn game, but that's just a silly amount for games that I already own on Steam or PS2/3....

    I could've done a lot more than buy digital games with that money to help my common man.

    But, I guess in a way, I am helping by keeping my grumpy ass off the streets...so who can say!?

    Gut Out!

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  • anemoanemo Member RarePosts: 1,903
    edited December 2019
    The funny part is that their "semi subscription" model where you buy a character then lose X time for each death.  In theory with bigger drains based on character "importantance".   So buying that kingdom could mean losing a month of your character's playtime on a death.

    So it's spend to spend more.
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  • SilverTonguedSilverTongued Member UncommonPosts: 47
    How would you guys suggest the project be funded?
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