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For what it's worth: Faerthale Teaser Trailer

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  • gelraengelraen Member UncommonPosts: 253
    That trailer was intensely bad. It was so bad, it actually made me angry, which I guess isn't the effect they were going for.
  • xD_GamingxD_Gaming Member EpicPosts: 2,683
    edited November 2019
    What I see in the "teaser"

    a very powerful game engine. 
    Looking forward to see more. I've been officially "teased" 


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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 12,198
    What I see in the "teaser"

    a very powerful game engine. 
    Looking forward to see more. I've been officially "teased" 


    It's using Unity
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  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 1,115
    What I see in the "teaser"

    a very powerful game engine. 
    Looking forward to see more. I've been officially "teased" 


    It's using Unity
    It’s heavily modified, in fact VR are working closely with Unity engineers to make Pantheon Engine their own.

    Mcquaid said that the first few years they worked only on customising the Engine.

  • TillerTiller Member EpicPosts: 8,880
    TEKK3N said:
    What I see in the "teaser"

    a very powerful game engine. 
    Looking forward to see more. I've been officially "teased" 


    It's using Unity
    It’s heavily modified, in fact VR are working closely with Unity engineers to make Pantheon Engine their own.

    Mcquaid said that the first few years they worked only on customising the Engine.

    Hmmm I remember something similar when SWTOR was being made with Hero Engine, and we all know how that turned out.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 12,198
    TEKK3N said:
    What I see in the "teaser"

    a very powerful game engine. 
    Looking forward to see more. I've been officially "teased" 


    It's using Unity
    It’s heavily modified, in fact VR are working closely with Unity engineers to make Pantheon Engine their own.

    Mcquaid said that the first few years they worked only on customising the Engine.

    Interesting... as from the FAQ it indicates they chose the engine because it would NOT require a lot of "tweaking and modifying":

    18.0 Why did you choose to use the Unity engine for Pantheon?

    There were a lot of reasons we chose Unity, and they all had to do with the positives of the engine, not necessarily the negatives of others. Much of the decision came down to the fact that it is an engine that enabled us to get to work quickly without requiring an expensive and large team. Unity has also allowed us to rapidly develop the game itself and will also enable us to deploy to multiple platforms with minimal effort. Unity is truly a ‘game engine’ and not just a ‘graphics engine’. It also supports the use of higher level languages like C# and the easy inclusion of a variety of plug-ins. These features and more allow the Pantheon development team to focus on making a game first and not an engine. We are a lean, mean team and we want to spend the majority of our time making the game itself, not tweaking and modifying the core of a graphics engine or having to also build a broad suite of tools or add-ons.

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,365
    TEKK3N said:
    What I see in the "teaser"

    a very powerful game engine. 
    Looking forward to see more. I've been officially "teased" 


    It's using Unity
    It’s heavily modified, in fact VR are working closely with Unity engineers to make Pantheon Engine their own.

    Mcquaid said that the first few years they worked only on customising the Engine.

    Interesting... as from the FAQ it indicates they chose the engine because it would NOT require a lot of "tweaking and modifying":

    18.0 Why did you choose to use the Unity engine for Pantheon?

    There were a lot of reasons we chose Unity, and they all had to do with the positives of the engine, not necessarily the negatives of others. Much of the decision came down to the fact that it is an engine that enabled us to get to work quickly without requiring an expensive and large team. Unity has also allowed us to rapidly develop the game itself and will also enable us to deploy to multiple platforms with minimal effort. Unity is truly a ‘game engine’ and not just a ‘graphics engine’. It also supports the use of higher level languages like C# and the easy inclusion of a variety of plug-ins. These features and more allow the Pantheon development team to focus on making a game first and not an engine. We are a lean, mean team and we want to spend the majority of our time making the game itself, not tweaking and modifying the core of a graphics engine or having to also build a broad suite of tools or add-ons.

    Isn't it a bit embarrassing at times how easy it is to call out "misconceptions" backers have about their favorite indie games using only the Dev team's own published words as evidence?




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  • TamanousTamanous Member RarePosts: 2,997
    The Unity team themselves work along side this dev team. This has been talked about before.

    The teaser trailer is just that. It was meant to show something quick for a live stream. The 1st part is the visual engine updates and not much more is required. The second part was meant to be obscure because it hides a very important detail: a 20 man raid. The number of players seen is well over the usual party size. It was meant to be cryptic.

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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,182
    edited November 2019
    Kyleran said:
    Isn't it a bit embarrassing at times how easy it is to call out "misconceptions" backers have about their favorite indie games using only the Dev team's own published words as evidence?
    Oh, another developer!?

     ...that's great about lack of self-awareness and critical thinking - you always find "misconceptions" to call out with plenty of evidence at hand.
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  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 1,115
    edited November 2019
    Kyleran said:
    TEKK3N said:
    Isn't it a bit embarrassing at times how easy it is to call out "misconceptions" backers have about their favorite indie games using only the Dev team's own published words as evidence?

    Well, it’s also easy to found out ‘detractors’ misconceptions, based on outdated info.
    That’s taken from Mcquaid Blog:

    Unity has been fantastic. It allowed us to start with virtually nothing -- we could download art assets, we could use built in code like UI, gameplay, network, shaders, etc. But then as we have grown, we have been able to test and use other libraries and functionality, many geared more for MMOs. Then, even more recently, we've begun to replace shaders with our own code, stock assets with our own assets, developing a solid content creation pipeline that incorporates popular and professional tools as well as in-house Pantheon-specific tools, and more. I have personally chatted with various people at Unity including the CEO and their goal, now that they feel they have the top engine for smaller teams and projects, is to compete directly with the higher end engines often used by AAA teams and at larger companies. To that end, Pantheon is very important to them because it's an MMO. I don’t know of any other genre that pushes every aspect of game development like MMOs do.

    With MMOs, networking code and support (and speed and efficiency) is paramount. At this point we are using code that is plenty robust enough to take us into alpha and probably beyond. That said, we are also considering our own network layer to make things run even more efficiently and to give us the control we need to create both vast regions with hundreds or thousands of players and NPCs, as well as smaller areas packed with gamers perhaps doing a raid (or some other get-together). What’s key is we have options – modify what we’re using now, take advantage of tech that appears in the future, or even write most or all of our own tech.”

    I can’t believe, there are still people who read FAQs to get all of their info.

    One thing I learned in my experience is that FAQs of Indie games are always outdated information and these are the last things developer update when creating a game.

    Post edited by TEKK3N on
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  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 1,115
    edited November 2019
    As I said VR was working closely with Unity engineers because Unity lacked a decent Netcode and were interested in improving the Engine, and the work VR did on Unity was of great interest to them.

    So if next Unity update will have an improved Netcode, part of the merit goes to VR and their work on it.

    See, a reason why I am still interested in Pantheon and I am willing to wait for it, is because unlike ‘lazy Lord British’ they actually understood Unity limitations and tried to do something about.
    SOTA works on a stock version of Unity, and we all can see the (bad) results.
    Pantheon Engine has the underline architecture of Unity but it’s like its own thing, good or bad, time will tell.
    Post edited by TEKK3N on
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 12,198
    TEKK3N said:
    Kyleran said:
    TEKK3N said:
    Isn't it a bit embarrassing at times how easy it is to call out "misconceptions" backers have about their favorite indie games using only the Dev team's own published words as evidence?

    Well, it’s also easy to found out ‘detractors’ misconceptions, based on outdated info.
    That’s taken from Mcquaid Blog:

    Unity has been fantastic. It allowed us to start with virtually nothing -- we could download art assets, we could use built in code like UI, gameplay, network, shaders, etc. But then as we have grown, we have been able to test and use other libraries and functionality, many geared more for MMOs. Then, even more recently, we've begun to replace shaders with our own code, stock assets with our own assets, developing a solid content creation pipeline that incorporates popular and professional tools as well as in-house Pantheon-specific tools, and more. I have personally chatted with various people at Unity including the CEO and their goal, now that they feel they have the top engine for smaller teams and projects, is to compete directly with the higher end engines often used by AAA teams and at larger companies. To that end, Pantheon is very important to them because it's an MMO. I don’t know of any other genre that pushes every aspect of game development like MMOs do.

    With MMOs, networking code and support (and speed and efficiency) is paramount. At this point we are using code that is plenty robust enough to take us into alpha and probably beyond. That said, we are also considering our own network layer to make things run even more efficiently and to give us the control we need to create both vast regions with hundreds or thousands of players and NPCs, as well as smaller areas packed with gamers perhaps doing a raid (or some other get-together). What’s key is we have options – modify what we’re using now, take advantage of tech that appears in the future, or even write most or all of our own tech.”

    I can’t believe, there are still people who read FAQs to get all of their info.

    One thing I learned in my experience is that FAQs of Indie games are always outdated information and these are the last things developer update when creating a game.

    All I said was that I found it interesting that they said they spent years modifying the engine that they specifically said they chose because they would NOT have to spend their time modifying it.  Sorry if you find that personally offensive in some way...
    Gdemami

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    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,365
    edited November 2019
    TEKK3N said:
    As I said VR was working closely with Unity engineers because Unity lacked a decent Netcode and were interested in improving the Engine, and the work VR did on Unity was of great interest to them.

    So if next Unity update will have an improved Netcode, part of the merit goes to VR and their work on it.

    See, a reason why I am still interested in Pantheon and I am willing to wait for it, is because unlike ‘lazy Lord British’ they actually understood Unity limitations and tried to do something about.
    SOTA works on a stock version of Unity, and we all can see the (bad) results.
    Pantheon Engine has the underline architecture of Unity but it’s like its own thing, good or bad, time will tell.
    Having a chat with several folks at Unity is not the same at all as working closely with them.

    Read what you posted, Pantheon team is not writing their own net code, at least not yet.

    "That said, we are also 'considering' our own network layer to make things run even more efficiently and to give us the control we need to create both vast regions with hundreds or thousands of players and NPCs, as well as smaller areas packed with gamers perhaps doing a raid (or some other get-together). What’s key is we have options – modify what we’re using now, take advantage of tech that appears in the future, or even write most or all of our own tech.”

    So then...they cannot yet support regions with large numbers of players, not until either they or Unity modify the net code.

    They may even have to write their own tech, but haven't done so yet.

    Finally, Brad said what they have currently will take them to alpha and "probably" beyond....to beta maybe....but certainly not to final release without considerable work needing to be done or he would have said so.






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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,365
    edited November 2019
    Tamanous said:
    The Unity team themselves work along side this dev team. This has been talked about before.

    The teaser trailer is just that. It was meant to show something quick for a live stream. The 1st part is the visual engine updates and not much more is required. The second part was meant to be obscure because it hides a very important detail: a 20 man raid. The number of players seen is well over the usual party size. It was meant to be cryptic.
    Where has it been said they are working "closely" with the Unity team? In Brad's quoted blogs above he mentions having several chats with them, doesn't mean the same thing as the actual coders of each company sitting down regulatly to have design sessions. 

    In fact, in his blog he even says they haven't begun modifying the net layer, they might one day, in fact he even says they or someone will have to in order to support the number of players they are shooting for.

    I feel you are definitely reading way too much into the teaser, 20 man raid, please...if so then I'll project further and say they cut it short so everyone wouldn't see how janky and unoptimized the game play is if every character actually moved.

    See how that works?
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,365
    TEKK3N said:
    Kyleran said:
    TEKK3N said:
    Isn't it a bit embarrassing at times how easy it is to call out "misconceptions" backers have about their favorite indie games using only the Dev team's own published words as evidence?

    Well, it’s also easy to found out ‘detractors’ misconceptions, based on outdated info.
    That’s taken from Mcquaid Blog:

    Unity has been fantastic. It allowed us to start with virtually nothing -- we could download art assets, we could use built in code like UI, gameplay, network, shaders, etc. But then as we have grown, we have been able to test and use other libraries and functionality, many geared more for MMOs. Then, even more recently, we've begun to replace shaders with our own code, stock assets with our own assets, developing a solid content creation pipeline that incorporates popular and professional tools as well as in-house Pantheon-specific tools, and more. I have personally chatted with various people at Unity including the CEO and their goal, now that they feel they have the top engine for smaller teams and projects, is to compete directly with the higher end engines often used by AAA teams and at larger companies. To that end, Pantheon is very important to them because it's an MMO. I don’t know of any other genre that pushes every aspect of game development like MMOs do.

    With MMOs, networking code and support (and speed and efficiency) is paramount. At this point we are using code that is plenty robust enough to take us into alpha and probably beyond. That said, we are also considering our own network layer to make things run even more efficiently and to give us the control we need to create both vast regions with hundreds or thousands of players and NPCs, as well as smaller areas packed with gamers perhaps doing a raid (or some other get-together). What’s key is we have options – modify what we’re using now, take advantage of tech that appears in the future, or even write most or all of our own tech.”

    I can’t believe, there are still people who read FAQs to get all of their info.

    One thing I learned in my experience is that FAQs of Indie games are always outdated information and these are the last things developer update when creating a game.

    One thing I've learned is even when Developers clearly state what they mean in bold faced type,  backers misinterpret it completely into meaning something else.

    This statement can't be any more clear on the point they are using someone else's net code at present

    "we are also considering our own network layer to make things run even more efficiently"


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  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 6,512
    All this sounds costly and time consuming at the crowdfunded expense.  Did they run this by the crowdfunders first before venturing in such a task ?

    Will this experimenting add 10 more years to development time?..... I was only expecting a game. 
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 17,868
    edited November 2019
    "Solid content creation...pipeline"
    This is a vague statements, an EXTREMELY vague statement.
    What has the term "content" in mmorpg's so far actually meant?

    Well outside of FFXI and why i loved FFXI so much ,it has meant linear crappy quests with a npc standing there with a marker over it's head and instance loot dungeons.

    IMO NEITHER idea is content,those are cheap baiting gimmicks that attract non mmorpg gamer's because they just like to have their hand held and told where to go what to do and the rest only play rpg's for loot.An mmorpg experience should be YOUR own experience,otherwise it is NOT a MMO,it is a single player design.


    A true mmorpg gamer wants a world,interaction and immersion and although so far we have not seen it,possibly some realism like what survival games give us,food,water,sailing,housing,survival tools,building tools etc etc.

    That copy pasted post says a lot more than likely most realize.It basically says the team from day 1 were looking to cut a LOT of corners,we were going to get a VERY weak game.So ..NOW over time,they added some of their own "shaders"does it mean much to us,no it does not,some of their own assets,sure that means a lot but no more than games already doing this from day 1.

    It feels like the more people post it makes the game look less likely to be of HQ.I guess the positive side of it is we are getting a lot of truth and less bull shit marketing like most developer studios are doing.

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  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 1,115
    edited November 2019
    TEKK3N said:
    Kyleran said:
    TEKK3N said:
    Isn't it a bit embarrassing at times how easy it is to call out "misconceptions" backers have about their favorite indie games using only the Dev team's own published words as evidence?

    Well, it’s also easy to found out ‘detractors’ misconceptions, based on outdated info.
    That’s taken from Mcquaid Blog:

    Unity has been fantastic. It allowed us to start with virtually nothing -- we could download art assets, we could use built in code like UI, gameplay, network, shaders, etc. But then as we have grown, we have been able to test and use other libraries and functionality, many geared more for MMOs. Then, even more recently, we've begun to replace shaders with our own code, stock assets with our own assets, developing a solid content creation pipeline that incorporates popular and professional tools as well as in-house Pantheon-specific tools, and more. I have personally chatted with various people at Unity including the CEO and their goal, now that they feel they have the top engine for smaller teams and projects, is to compete directly with the higher end engines often used by AAA teams and at larger companies. To that end, Pantheon is very important to them because it's an MMO. I don’t know of any other genre that pushes every aspect of game development like MMOs do.

    With MMOs, networking code and support (and speed and efficiency) is paramount. At this point we are using code that is plenty robust enough to take us into alpha and probably beyond. That said, we are also considering our own network layer to make things run even more efficiently and to give us the control we need to create both vast regions with hundreds or thousands of players and NPCs, as well as smaller areas packed with gamers perhaps doing a raid (or some other get-together). What’s key is we have options – modify what we’re using now, take advantage of tech that appears in the future, or even write most or all of our own tech.”

    I can’t believe, there are still people who read FAQs to get all of their info.

    One thing I learned in my experience is that FAQs of Indie games are always outdated information and these are the last things developer update when creating a game.

    All I said was that I found it interesting that they said they spent years modifying the engine that they specifically said they chose because they would NOT have to spend their time modifying it.  Sorry if you find that personally offensive in some way...
    I quoted Kyleran not you, it’s not me being over sensitive here.
    But as you should know usually FAQs in most of the games in production are outdated, you should know that.
  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 1,115
    Kyleran said:
    Tamanous said:
    The Unity team themselves work along side this dev team. This has been talked about before.

    The teaser trailer is just that. It was meant to show something quick for a live stream. The 1st part is the visual engine updates and not much more is required. The second part was meant to be obscure because it hides a very important detail: a 20 man raid. The number of players seen is well over the usual party size. It was meant to be cryptic.
    Where has it been said they are working "closely" with the Unity team? In Brad's quoted blogs above he mentions having several chats with them, doesn't mean the same thing as the actual coders of each company sitting down regulatly to have design sessions. 

    In fact, in his blog he even says they haven't begun modifying the net layer, they might one day, in fact he even says they or someone will have to in order to support the number of players they are shooting for.

    I feel you are definitely reading way too much into the teaser, 20 man raid, please...if so then I'll project further and say they cut it short so everyone wouldn't see how janky and unoptimized the game play is if every character actually moved.

    See how that works?
    Brad said they are working with a modified Unity Netcode but they are also considering writing their own code from scratch, that’s what he said.

    I am not reading anything special from the teaser, I am just pointing out that VR is actually working hard on coding the Unity Engine and possibly some proprietary stuff as well.

    Most people just assume they are just resting on the laurels, which is not the case, I just point out that.
    That’s all.
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 12,198
    TEKK3N said:
    TEKK3N said:
    Kyleran said:
    TEKK3N said:
    Isn't it a bit embarrassing at times how easy it is to call out "misconceptions" backers have about their favorite indie games using only the Dev team's own published words as evidence?

    Well, it’s also easy to found out ‘detractors’ misconceptions, based on outdated info.
    That’s taken from Mcquaid Blog:

    Unity has been fantastic. It allowed us to start with virtually nothing -- we could download art assets, we could use built in code like UI, gameplay, network, shaders, etc. But then as we have grown, we have been able to test and use other libraries and functionality, many geared more for MMOs. Then, even more recently, we've begun to replace shaders with our own code, stock assets with our own assets, developing a solid content creation pipeline that incorporates popular and professional tools as well as in-house Pantheon-specific tools, and more. I have personally chatted with various people at Unity including the CEO and their goal, now that they feel they have the top engine for smaller teams and projects, is to compete directly with the higher end engines often used by AAA teams and at larger companies. To that end, Pantheon is very important to them because it's an MMO. I don’t know of any other genre that pushes every aspect of game development like MMOs do.

    With MMOs, networking code and support (and speed and efficiency) is paramount. At this point we are using code that is plenty robust enough to take us into alpha and probably beyond. That said, we are also considering our own network layer to make things run even more efficiently and to give us the control we need to create both vast regions with hundreds or thousands of players and NPCs, as well as smaller areas packed with gamers perhaps doing a raid (or some other get-together). What’s key is we have options – modify what we’re using now, take advantage of tech that appears in the future, or even write most or all of our own tech.”

    I can’t believe, there are still people who read FAQs to get all of their info.

    One thing I learned in my experience is that FAQs of Indie games are always outdated information and these are the last things developer update when creating a game.

    All I said was that I found it interesting that they said they spent years modifying the engine that they specifically said they chose because they would NOT have to spend their time modifying it.  Sorry if you find that personally offensive in some way...
    I quoted Kyleran not you, it’s not me being over sensitive here.
    But as you should know usually FAQs in most of the games in production are outdated, you should know that.
    So you are trying to say that they did NOT select unity because they wouldn’t have to modify it?  I’m honestly confused about what you are trying to prove?  

    That they over-estimated what Unity could do and now find themselves heavily modifying what they said they wouldn’t need to?

    Or that the FAQ is a lie and that they always intended to heavily modify the engine despite saying otherwise?


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    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 1,115
    edited November 2019
    TEKK3N said:
    TEKK3N said:
    Kyleran said:
    TEKK3N said:
    Isn't it a bit embarrassing at times how easy it is to call out "misconceptions" backers have about their favorite indie games using only the Dev team's own published words as evidence?

    Well, it’s also easy to found out ‘detractors’ misconceptions, based on outdated info.
    That’s taken from Mcquaid Blog:

    Unity has been fantastic. It allowed us to start with virtually nothing -- we could download art assets, we could use built in code like UI, gameplay, network, shaders, etc. But then as we have grown, we have been able to test and use other libraries and functionality, many geared more for MMOs. Then, even more recently, we've begun to replace shaders with our own code, stock assets with our own assets, developing a solid content creation pipeline that incorporates popular and professional tools as well as in-house Pantheon-specific tools, and more. I have personally chatted with various people at Unity including the CEO and their goal, now that they feel they have the top engine for smaller teams and projects, is to compete directly with the higher end engines often used by AAA teams and at larger companies. To that end, Pantheon is very important to them because it's an MMO. I don’t know of any other genre that pushes every aspect of game development like MMOs do.

    With MMOs, networking code and support (and speed and efficiency) is paramount. At this point we are using code that is plenty robust enough to take us into alpha and probably beyond. That said, we are also considering our own network layer to make things run even more efficiently and to give us the control we need to create both vast regions with hundreds or thousands of players and NPCs, as well as smaller areas packed with gamers perhaps doing a raid (or some other get-together). What’s key is we have options – modify what we’re using now, take advantage of tech that appears in the future, or even write most or all of our own tech.”

    I can’t believe, there are still people who read FAQs to get all of their info.

    One thing I learned in my experience is that FAQs of Indie games are always outdated information and these are the last things developer update when creating a game.

    All I said was that I found it interesting that they said they spent years modifying the engine that they specifically said they chose because they would NOT have to spend their time modifying it.  Sorry if you find that personally offensive in some way...
    I quoted Kyleran not you, it’s not me being over sensitive here.
    But as you should know usually FAQs in most of the games in production are outdated, you should know that.
    So you are trying to say that they did NOT select unity because they wouldn’t have to modify it?  I’m honestly confused about what you are trying to prove?  

    That they over-estimated what Unity could do and now find themselves heavily modifying what they said they wouldn’t need to?

    Or that the FAQ is a lie and that they always intended to heavily modify the engine despite saying otherwise?


    Why don’t you read what Brad said instead putting word in my mouth?
    He chose the engine because at the beginning they were just a handful of them but then as the team got bigger they decided to fork the code as the engine wasn’t suited to their need.

    All I am saying is that they are using an heavily modified engine, that’s all.
    Why you are getting so worked up by this statement is beyond me.

    Are you saying they are using the stock version of the engine?
    Because that’s not the case, I am arguing only that.
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 12,198
    edited November 2019
    TEKK3N said:
    TEKK3N said:
    TEKK3N said:
    Kyleran said:
    TEKK3N said:
    Isn't it a bit embarrassing at times how easy it is to call out "misconceptions" backers have about their favorite indie games using only the Dev team's own published words as evidence?


    All I said was that I found it interesting that they said they spent years modifying the engine that they specifically said they chose because they would NOT have to spend their time modifying it.  Sorry if you find that personally offensive in some way...
    I quoted Kyleran not you, it’s not me being over sensitive here.
    But as you should know usually FAQs in most of the games in production are outdated, you should know that.
    So you are trying to say that they did NOT select unity because they wouldn’t have to modify it?  I’m honestly confused about what you are trying to prove?  

    That they over-estimated what Unity could do and now find themselves heavily modifying what they said they wouldn’t need to?

    Or that the FAQ is a lie and that they always intended to heavily modify the engine despite saying otherwise?


    Why don’t you read what Brad said instead putting word in my mouth?
    He chose the engine because at the beginning they were just a handful of them but then as the team got bigger they decided to fork the code as the engine wasn’t suited to their need.

    All I am saying is that they are using an heavily modified engine, that’s all.
    Why you are getting so worked up by this statement is beyond me.

    Are you saying they are using the stock version of the engine?
    Because that’s not the case, I am arguing only that.
    Why don't YOU go read what Brad said and stop posting factually incorrect stuff?  There was NO FORK, as stated in the very blog you referenced:

    And this is key: normally, doing both would be a real headache - in my last project we had to eventually stop incorporating the latest engine updates and fork the code completely, taking the source code and heading off into the best direction possible for the game we were making. In fact, we did this with EQ as well – in that case the engine company was small and eventually shut down. So we had to grab all of the code, hire one of the engineers that worked on the original engine, and create one of the first MMO engines ever even though we were already well into development. That wasn’t easy – it paid off, but it took resources and time.

    This has NOT happened with Unity. We've been able to upgrade to their more recent versions, often with not a lot of work involved.


    I bolded the important parts to make it easy for you to understand.  So there was NO FORK, they did NOT change the netcode (although they "might" someday). Somehow you read the same blog I did, and got out of it that they replaced the netcode (wrong) and that they forked the code (which they explicitly state they did not). Please stop posting factually incorrect statements, and if you DO have a source that counter-acts Brad's own words please cite it because all you are currently doing is causing confusion. 

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    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 12,198
    edited November 2019
    Dupe

    "I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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  • xD_GamingxD_Gaming Member EpicPosts: 2,683
    What I see in the "teaser"

    a very powerful game engine. 
    Looking forward to see more. I've been officially "teased" 


    It's using Unity
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  • xD_GamingxD_Gaming Member EpicPosts: 2,683

    ever think you are talking to Brad ? The planet Mars says hello Brad :) 
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