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For what it's worth: Faerthale Teaser Trailer

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,372
    edited November 2019
    Sovrath said:
    Kyleran said:
    Wait,  what, that was it? A slow zoom in on basically nothing of substance and then fade to black?

    Oh I see, they were trying to provide an accurate representation of progress to date, check.

     :D 
    I think it's a case of the developers "sort of" being out of touch with the players.

    There's a lot of work there and it "looks" good. Or at least looks like they spent a lot of work on that area.

    They want to show it off. They are proud of this work. 

    Problem is that players, after this time, want more. It's very hard not to show people work that you think is good/great and you are excited to share it. But it seems like it's harder to know when and what one should be showing.


    The trailer would have been fine if a 50 foot tall cyclops had come crashing into the area and everyone sprang into action to take it down....and fade to black.

    I want to see my Paladin in action, smiting foes, racing to do battle with terrible tree people and a band of dwarves drinking in a tavern. 

    I want to see videos of what my character will be doing, not just scenic panoramics he'll be viewing.

    and I definitely don't want to watch discussions about boot design.

     :D 


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  • QuarterStackQuarterStack Member RarePosts: 433
    edited November 2019

    Sovrath said:
    Kyleran said:
    Wait,  what, that was it? A slow zoom in on basically nothing of substance and then fade to black?

    Oh I see, they were trying to provide an accurate representation of progress to date, check.

     :D 
    I think it's a case of the developers "sort of" being out of touch with the players.

    There's a lot of work there and it "looks" good. Or at least looks like they spent a lot of work on that area.

    They want to show it off. They are proud of this work. 

    Problem is that players, after this time, want more. It's very hard not to show people work that you think is good/great and you are excited to share it. But it seems like it's harder to know when and what one should be showing.


    People always "want more". And "more" is "never enough".

    It's always the same pattern, and I'm sure I'm not the only one to have noticed it.

    Developer shows 10 different things about the game to show progress. "Person" wanted to see something about an 11th thing, but Dev didn't cover it. "Person" immediately interprets that as "the game must be in trouble, because they didn't show the stuff *I* wanted to see", or "Uh oh, I don't think the devs are going to follow through on "thing 11" because there's absolutely no reason they wouldn't show it otherwise!", or "Oh, they spent more time covering stuff that doesn't interest me. That must mean they're focusing more on a playstyle I don't like and that means the game will suck".  And on and on. 

    They take a pebble of information (relative to the size, scope and complexity of an entire MMO) and extrapolate it out to being a sign of the game's inevitable demise. All because they didn't get to see what they were most interested in.

    It's all self-serving, instant-gratification, me-me-me-now-now-now nonsense. We live in a generation overrun with Veruca Salts. 

    Being a backer does not mean you get to dictate and direct what is, will, or should be shown, or when. It means you're backing the game and placing your trust and faith in the developer to get it done and produce something you are going to enjoy, with full knowledge it might not turn out that way. I say this as a backer of Pantheon and a few other titles myself.

    Frankly, of all the MMO projects I've seen in development, the devs for Pantheon have been among the most up-front and forthcoming. But of course, as I said at the start... people always "want more" and "more" is "never enough". 

    I know you know this, Sovrath, as you've said as much yourself. But it seems many others don't get it and need regular reminders.


    Post edited by QuarterStack on
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  • QuarterStackQuarterStack Member RarePosts: 433
    Kyleran said:
    Sovrath said:
    Kyleran said:
    Wait,  what, that was it? A slow zoom in on basically nothing of substance and then fade to black?

    Oh I see, they were trying to provide an accurate representation of progress to date, check.

     :D 
    I think it's a case of the developers "sort of" being out of touch with the players.

    There's a lot of work there and it "looks" good. Or at least looks like they spent a lot of work on that area.

    They want to show it off. They are proud of this work. 

    Problem is that players, after this time, want more. It's very hard not to show people work that you think is good/great and you are excited to share it. But it seems like it's harder to know when and what one should be showing.


    The trailer would have been fine if a 50 foot tall cyclops had come crashing into the area and everyone sprang into action to take it down....and fade to black.

    I want to see my Paladin in action, smiting foes, racing to do battle with terrible tree people and a band of dwarves drinking in a tavern. 

    I want to see videos of what my character will be doing, not just scenic panoramics he'll be viewing.

    and I definitely don't want to watch discussions about boot design.

     :D 


    Case in point...

    Devs didn't show what "Person" wanted to see, therefor "it's just not good enough", while again ignoring that pesky word "teaser" right in the video description.
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  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 3,914

    <snip>
    But, as per usual for you, Kyleran, I'm sure you knew all that even as you typed your comment. I'd call it willful ignorance, but I think it's better described as just plain old dishonesty. Maybe even trolling.
    <snip>
    May I suggest an alternative?  It seems more like sarcasm than ignorance, dishonesty or trolling.  Perhaps a bit of thought would be advised before lashing out at another poster.

    I've seen almost all of the videos you have listed.  I'm not including that ordeal on my resume, and it was an ordeal to watch some of those.  I've still not seen any system that wasn't present in 1999 EQ1, despite all the various claims for new system functionality and features.  For those of us who are looking for something more than the "EQ1 with better graphics", the videos don't really give any indication of all these words and promises that were lauded by the developers.  Demonstrate, not talk about.  I think everyone is past the conceptual and idea stage.



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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 12,199
    edited November 2019
    Kyleran said:
    Sovrath said:
    Kyleran said:
    Wait,  what, that was it? A slow zoom in on basically nothing of substance and then fade to black?

    Oh I see, they were trying to provide an accurate representation of progress to date, check.

     :D 
    I think it's a case of the developers "sort of" being out of touch with the players.

    There's a lot of work there and it "looks" good. Or at least looks like they spent a lot of work on that area.

    They want to show it off. They are proud of this work. 

    Problem is that players, after this time, want more. It's very hard not to show people work that you think is good/great and you are excited to share it. But it seems like it's harder to know when and what one should be showing.


    The trailer would have been fine if a 50 foot tall cyclops had come crashing into the area and everyone sprang into action to take it down....and fade to black.

    I want to see my Paladin in action, smiting foes, racing to do battle with terrible tree people and a band of dwarves drinking in a tavern. 

    I want to see videos of what my character will be doing, not just scenic panoramics he'll be viewing.

    and I definitely don't want to watch discussions about boot design.

     :D 


    Case in point...

    Devs didn't show what "Person" wanted to see, therefor "it's just not good enough", while again ignoring that pesky word "teaser" right in the video description.
    Yup... the problem with Pantheon is clearly Kyleran. If it weren’t for his nefarious posting the game would have been released already and have delivered all our dreams.  

    Sigh

    In 2018 the devs said that the game would be in playable alpha by the end of the year. It’s now the end of 2019 and that hasn’t happened.  Yet somehow you think the "would be players" are at fault for wanting more than a pathetic “teaser”...


    Post edited by Slapshot1188 on
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  • XodicXodic Member EpicPosts: 1,138
    Kyleran said:
    Sovrath said:
    Kyleran said:
    Wait,  what, that was it? A slow zoom in on basically nothing of substance and then fade to black?

    Oh I see, they were trying to provide an accurate representation of progress to date, check.

     :D 
    I think it's a case of the developers "sort of" being out of touch with the players.

    There's a lot of work there and it "looks" good. Or at least looks like they spent a lot of work on that area.

    They want to show it off. They are proud of this work. 

    Problem is that players, after this time, want more. It's very hard not to show people work that you think is good/great and you are excited to share it. But it seems like it's harder to know when and what one should be showing.


    The trailer would have been fine if a 50 foot tall cyclops had come crashing into the area and everyone sprang into action to take it down....and fade to black.

    I want to see my Paladin in action, smiting foes, racing to do battle with terrible tree people and a band of dwarves drinking in a tavern. 

    I want to see videos of what my character will be doing, not just scenic panoramics he'll be viewing.

    and I definitely don't want to watch discussions about boot design.

     :D 


    Case in point...

    Devs didn't show what "Person" wanted to see, therefor "it's just not good enough", while again ignoring that pesky word "teaser" right in the video description.
    I don't think anyone is arguing your point, It's naturally valid common sense. However, for those that look at the video objectively, it served no purpose. You may be able to explain to me what the focus was, or why I should be interested, but if you have to explain it to me then the video fails its purpose.


    So yes, there are a million different ways to present a teaser, and if you were to ask a million different people what they would want to see, I'm confident that none of them would have described this.
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 20,003
    Sovrath said:
    Kyleran said:
    Wait,  what, that was it? A slow zoom in on basically nothing of substance and then fade to black?

    Oh I see, they were trying to provide an accurate representation of progress to date, check.

     :D 
    I think it's a case of the developers "sort of" being out of touch with the players.

    There's a lot of work there and it "looks" good. Or at least looks like they spent a lot of work on that area.

    They want to show it off. They are proud of this work. 

    Problem is that players, after this time, want more. It's very hard not to show people work that you think is good/great and you are excited to share it. But it seems like it's harder to know when and what one should be showing.


    The trailer would have been great a week before an official launch trailer release. As a mid-development "teaser" it totally fails. The production quality is there, but no sense of timeline or context.
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  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 6,512
    Utinni said:
    Looks great aside from the crouch/ready animation. Need some "Class Spotlight" style videos showing what we can expect from the gameplay. Crazy to think its about to be 2020 and this is what we've got.
    All we had ever seen are test zones made for testing only.

    It's almost 2020, wheres the beef ?
    Kyleran
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,372
    Kyleran said:
    Sovrath said:
    Kyleran said:

    Yup... the problem with Pantheon is clearly Kyleran. If it weren’t for his nefarious posting the game would have been released already and have delivered all our dreams. 

    Sigh

    Yet somehow you think the "would be players" are at fault for wanting more than a pathetic “teaser”...


    You know its always my fault for poking some fun and pointing out the obvious.

    ;)
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,372
    edited November 2019
    Kyleran said:
    Wait,  what, that was it? A slow zoom in on basically nothing of substance and then fade to black?

    Oh I see, they were trying to provide an accurate representation of progress to date, check.

     :D 

    It's almost like there's a ton of information and feedback available about Pantheon, from multiple sources! Crazy!

    I don't want to "watch" videos of people "telling" me about the progress of the development, or read forums with tons of information about the game.

    I want them to start showing what they've done in a clear and direct fashion and not just endless runs through the single demo dungeon I've seen.

    I'll check out your videos but they better not be mostly all talk, I'm expecting to see some real action.

    As for this particular comment,

    "I'd call it willful ignorance, but I think it's better described as just plain old dishonesty. Maybe even trolling."

    I think Ronnie Radke of Falling in Reverse best sums up my reply...(since we are sharing videos after all)

    I'm just like you...   :D



    Err, probably not safe for church. 

    ;)




    Post edited by Kyleran on
    Gdemami

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    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing FO76 at the moment.

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  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 6,512
    edited November 2019
    Posted in wrong spot... sorry
    svann
  • QuarterStackQuarterStack Member RarePosts: 433
    Mendel said:

    <snip>
    But, as per usual for you, Kyleran, I'm sure you knew all that even as you typed your comment. I'd call it willful ignorance, but I think it's better described as just plain old dishonesty. Maybe even trolling.
    <snip>
    May I suggest an alternative?  It seems more like sarcasm than ignorance, dishonesty or trolling.  Perhaps a bit of thought would be advised before lashing out at another poster.

    I've seen almost all of the videos you have listed.  I'm not including that ordeal on my resume, and it was an ordeal to watch some of those.  I've still not seen any system that wasn't present in 1999 EQ1, despite all the various claims for new system functionality and features.  For those of us who are looking for something more than the "EQ1 with better graphics", the videos don't really give any indication of all these words and promises that were lauded by the developers.  Demonstrate, not talk about.  I think everyone is past the conceptual and idea stage.



    First paragraph... agree to disagree, then. I've been reading their posts for a while now. There's a definite pattern of dishonesty in their posts.

    Second paragraph.. Sounds to me like you might fall into the "they're not showing me what I want to see" category, as I described in a previous reply.

    There's not a system they've shown that wasn't in EQ1? Completely disagree there. That's just factually wrong. 

    All that said... Pantheon is going to be the game they want to make, based on their own vision and interpretation of what a "modern take on a EQ1-style MMO" should be. Everyone has their own personal idea what of what that will, or should, look like. And that's fine.

    When it becomes problematic is when someone expects it to become exactly what they envision, as you seem to per your remarks. You seem to have locked in a specific interpretation of what Pantheon should be, and now you're trying to hold the devs to that specific idea. That's problematic, because it could well mean you're disappointed in the end product. And to be completely blunt, that'd be your problem, because no one ever promised you Pantheon would become the specific version you developed in your own head.

    At the end of the day, it's going to be what it's going to be. Some people might find it exactly what they wanted. Others will find it not quite that, but close enough. Others are going to find it nowhere close and decide to write it off. Just like literally any other title out there. They can't make a game that satisfies everyone. Not even WoW, with its bajillions of players, managed that. Yet, for some reason, people keep expecting to find one that does. 

    Though I'm maintaining an open mind about the project, and counting only on the things that I know (or at least have high confidence) won't change, I could easily end up in any one of those camps as much as anyone else. I might end up loving it. I might end up hating it. I'm backing it regardless because I think it will, at worst, become "not exactly what I was hoping for, but close enough". 

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  • QuarterStackQuarterStack Member RarePosts: 433
    edited November 2019

    Case in point...

    Devs didn't show what "Person" wanted to see, therefor "it's just not good enough", while again ignoring that pesky word "teaser" right in the video description.
    Yup... the problem with Pantheon is clearly Kyleran. If it weren’t for his nefarious posting the game would have been released already and have delivered all our dreams.  

    Sigh

    In 2018 the devs said that the game would be in playable alpha by the end of the year. It’s now the end of 2019 and that hasn’t happened.  Yet somehow you think the "would be players" are at fault for wanting more than a pathetic “teaser”...


    I'm sorry, I don't recall ever saying Kyleran was responsible for the game's state? Are you hallucinating? Constructing strawmen, maybe?

    I was pointing out to Kyleran that it's a *teaser* video, and a *teaser* means *a short snippet*, not a full length trailer showing what he wants to see. I thought I explained that pretty clearly. Not enough for some of the more willfully ignorant, I guess.

    First off... a MMO in Development that didn't hit previously stated date? NO.... Say it isn't so! That's NEVER happened, to any other game in any other genre, EVER!

    Lastly, there's been a lot more than a "pathetic teaser". But it seems you're going to be dishonest like Kyleran and pretend there hasn't been a mountain of information, video, images, interviews, articles, blogs, and so on... talking about and showing the state of the game, as recently as just a couple days ago (not including the teaser).

    You - and Kyleran - are demonstrating precisely what I described in my previous post..  You're carrying on because VR isn't showing you what you want to see. As I've said before... that's your problem, not VR's. 
    Gdemami
  • QuarterStackQuarterStack Member RarePosts: 433
    edited November 2019
    Kyleran said:

    I don't want to "watch" videos of people "telling" me about the progress of the development, or read forums with tons of information about the game.

    I want them to start showing what they've done in a clear and direct fashion and not just endless runs through the single demo dungeon I've seen.

    I'll check out your videos but they better not be mostly all talk, I'm expecting to see some real action.

    As for this particular comment,

    "I'd call it willful ignorance, but I think it's better described as just plain old dishonesty. Maybe even trolling."

    "I want...", "I want..." Well, maybe no one ever told you this when you were growing up, but it's not all about what you want, Kyleran. Remember that Veruca Salt comment I made in a previous post? Yeah. Fits you well.

    "they better not be..." - lol or what? You'll come here and scold me? Get over yourself.

    As for you being just like me? Not even close.

    I'm not whining and bitching like a brat on forums about a "teaser" clip - pretending not to know what a "teaser" is - because VR isn't showing me exactly what I want to see. That's all you, and a handful in your company, Kyleran.

    Since you like quoting song lyrics, I'll return one in kind:
    "You can't always get what you want". - Rolling Stones



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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 12,199

    Case in point...

    Devs didn't show what "Person" wanted to see, therefor "it's just not good enough", while again ignoring that pesky word "teaser" right in the video description.
    Yup... the problem with Pantheon is clearly Kyleran. If it weren’t for his nefarious posting the game would have been released already and have delivered all our dreams.  

    Sigh

    In 2018 the devs said that the game would be in playable alpha by the end of the year. It’s now the end of 2019 and that hasn’t happened.  Yet somehow you think the "would be players" are at fault for wanting more than a pathetic “teaser”...


    I'm sorry, I don't recall ever saying Kyleran was responsible for the game's state? Are you hallucinating? Constructing strawmen, maybe?

    I was pointing out to Kyleran that it's a *teaser* video, and a *teaser* means *a short snippet*, not a full length trailer showing what he wants to see. I thought I explained that pretty clearly. Not enough for some of the more willfully ignorant, I guess.

    First off... a MMO in Development that didn't hit previously stated date? NO.... Say it isn't so! That's NEVER happened, to any other game in any other genre, EVER!

    Lastly, there's been a lot more than a "pathetic teaser". But it seems you're going to be dishonest like Kyleran and pretend there hasn't been a mountain of information, video, images, interviews, articles, blogs, and so on... talking about and showing the state of the game, as recently as just a couple days ago (not including the teaser).

    You - and Kyleran - are demonstrating precisely what I described in my previous post..  You're carrying on because VR isn't showing you what you want to see. As I've said before... that's your problem, not VR's. 
    Here is where you are wrong: Kyleran was talking about the teaser.  You decided to make the conversation about Kyleran (and then me for some reason).  

    I could certainly go further detail, but I think that should be simple and clear enough for you to understand.

    The root cause of frustration is not Kyleran or anyone else posting about a teaser or anything else.  The root cause is that the developers are showing this "teaser" after all this time.  We have been getting "teased" since January 2014.   It's about to turn 6 years old.  So you can excuse it all you want, you can try to make the conversation about other posters... none of that will change the FACT that the game is years behind schedule and the frustration is real.

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  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 6,512
    WoW, a fight and I'm not involved   :D
    Kyleran
  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 3,914
    Mendel said:

    <snip>
    But, as per usual for you, Kyleran, I'm sure you knew all that even as you typed your comment. I'd call it willful ignorance, but I think it's better described as just plain old dishonesty. Maybe even trolling.
    <snip>
    May I suggest an alternative?  It seems more like sarcasm than ignorance, dishonesty or trolling.  Perhaps a bit of thought would be advised before lashing out at another poster.

    I've seen almost all of the videos you have listed.  I'm not including that ordeal on my resume, and it was an ordeal to watch some of those.  I've still not seen any system that wasn't present in 1999 EQ1, despite all the various claims for new system functionality and features.  For those of us who are looking for something more than the "EQ1 with better graphics", the videos don't really give any indication of all these words and promises that were lauded by the developers.  Demonstrate, not talk about.  I think everyone is past the conceptual and idea stage.



    First paragraph... agree to disagree, then. I've been reading their posts for a while now. There's a definite pattern of dishonesty in their posts.

    Second paragraph.. Sounds to me like you might fall into the "they're not showing me what I want to see" category, as I described in a previous reply.

    There's not a system they've shown that wasn't in EQ1? Completely disagree there. That's just factually wrong. 

    All that said... Pantheon is going to be the game they want to make, based on their own vision and interpretation of what a "modern take on a EQ1-style MMO" should be. Everyone has their own personal idea what of what that will, or should, look like. And that's fine.

    When it becomes problematic is when someone expects it to become exactly what they envision, as you seem to per your remarks. You seem to have locked in a specific interpretation of what Pantheon should be, and now you're trying to hold the devs to that specific idea. That's problematic, because it could well mean you're disappointed in the end product. And to be completely blunt, that'd be your problem, because no one ever promised you Pantheon would become the specific version you developed in your own head.

    At the end of the day, it's going to be what it's going to be. Some people might find it exactly what they wanted. Others will find it not quite that, but close enough. Others are going to find it nowhere close and decide to write it off. Just like literally any other title out there. They can't make a game that satisfies everyone. Not even WoW, with its bajillions of players, managed that. Yet, for some reason, people keep expecting to find one that does. 

    Though I'm maintaining an open mind about the project, and counting only on the things that I know (or at least have high confidence) won't change, I could easily end up in any one of those camps as much as anyone else. I might end up loving it. I might end up hating it. I'm backing it regardless because I think it will, at worst, become "not exactly what I was hoping for, but close enough". 

    I don't exactly how either Slap, Kyle or myself have ever been dishonest.  What has been shown is far different that the words used to describe it, and the game is behind every schedule they have claimed.  If you have a reason that these stances are nonfactual, I think we'd be happy to investigate them and it would further the discussion.

    I know my own preferences aren't always popular.  I am aware that Pantheon is not going to be a game that I will play for any duration.  I am drawn to the marginal (my opinion) changes in the mechanics of an MMORPG that Pantheon promised.  Elements like Perception and Environment.  These elements haven't really been demonstrated yet, and the preliminary efforts that have been shown appeared to be just semantically different from existing mechanisms.

    Opinion is neither right nor wrong.  It feels if a lot of people are confusing "opinion" with "disagreement", which ties into a long-held belief (another form of opinion) that people don't really understand the principles of discussion.  I know my opinions are based on my own observations, as the observations change, my opinion changes.  Feel free to agree or disagree as you choose.



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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,372
    edited November 2019
    Kyleran said:

    I don't want to "watch" videos of people "telling" me about the progress of the development, or read forums with tons of information about the game.

    I want them to start showing what they've done in a clear and direct fashion and not just endless runs through the single demo dungeon I've seen.

    I'll check out your videos but they better not be mostly all talk, I'm expecting to see some real action.

    As for this particular comment,

    "I'd call it willful ignorance, but I think it's better described as just plain old dishonesty. Maybe even trolling."

    "I want...", "I want..." Well, maybe no one ever told you this when you were growing up, but it's not all about what you want, Kyleran. Remember that Veruca Salt comment I made in a previous post? Yeah. Fits you well.

    "they better not be..." - lol or what? You'll come here and scold me? Get over yourself.

    As for you being just like me? Not even close.

    I'm not whining and bitching like a brat on forums about a "teaser" clip - pretending not to know what a "teaser" is - because VR isn't showing me exactly what I want to see. That's all you, and a handful in your company, Kyleran.

    Since you like quoting song lyrics, I'll return one in kind:
    "You can't always get what you want". - Rolling Stones



    It is always about what I want, it would be irrational and illogical for me to be concerned about anyone else.

    I suggest you educate yourself on the principles of rational selfishness before continuing to cast further aspersions on my character.
    1. Man — every man — is an end in himself, not the means to the ends of others. He must exist for his own sake, neither sacrificing himself to others nor sacrificing others to himself. The pursuit of his own rational self-interest and of his own happiness is the highest moral purpose of his life.
    https://www.summit.org/resources/articles/the-ethics-of-ayn-rand/

    Life isn't always about what one reads in children's novels. 

    Put another way...Veruca wasn't wrong and altruism is for suckers.

     B) 



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  • VicusEQVicusEQ Member UncommonPosts: 100
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4MbaiykerIrjKWRA6407tQ/videos

    Here, about 24 hours worth of videos.  The teaser trailer was intended for the people who have been following the game because they will be doing another live stream this week where they will discuss the teaser.  It's that simple.  
  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 6,512
    Teaser trailers, round tables and the rest of this side show stuff is all fluff and means nothing.

    Show me the game !!
    Rich84Slapshot1188Mendel
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,372
    Teaser trailers, round tables and the rest of this side show stuff is all fluff and means nothing.

    Show me the game !!
    See, @delete5230 knows and understands.


    "See normal people, I'm not one of them" | G-Easy & Big Sean

    "I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant

    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing FO76 at the moment.

    Fools find no pleasure in understanding, but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV

    Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™

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  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 6,512
    Kyleran said:
    Teaser trailers, round tables and the rest of this side show stuff is all fluff and means nothing.

    Show me the game !!
    See, @delete5230 knows and understands.


    True, but I don't care about fluff.

  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,396
    I am hoping for some kind of tree city. This doesn't seem to be that. But it could still be in there somewheres.
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  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 3,914
    Amathe said:
    I am hoping for some kind of tree city. This doesn't seem to be that. But it could still be in there somewheres.
    Duels in Kelethin were interesting.  Lots less running in a circle as with most PvP.  Too bad the lackluster combat system reduced even these exercises to tedium.



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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,396
    Mendel said:
    Amathe said:
    I am hoping for some kind of tree city. This doesn't seem to be that. But it could still be in there somewheres.
    Duels in Kelethin were interesting.  Lots less running in a circle as with most PvP.  Too bad the lackluster combat system reduced even these exercises to tedium.



    Kelethin was so much fun. Like casting SoW on some noob running around a corner, where the extra speed sends them off the catwalk and spiraling to their death. Good times, good times.

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