This Land is My Land

Asheram

This looks really good, a western game where you play as the indian not the cowboy. A stealth game but can also go in guns blazing.
Can also decide to trade rather than kill.


Its a single player rpg but you can trade stuff  with other players.


https://www.thislandmyland.com/?fbclid=IwAR0Ky9IA4JOz94_dfKxNwr295gY7yK8pIbI72R08S2DIECfOtQOUL28MXng

some more gameplay

Asheram

Prime_Directive said:

I think it is a disgraceful and utterly tasteless portrait of a race of people who for the most part were peace in nature.  It is like saying here is a game based on all white people because this is what the Nazi's did. 

It stupid and should be shut down .

So how do you explain the tribes that raided, murdered and enslaved different tribes if they were all about "peace" as you say?

Kyleran

Seems to be some debate over the myth of the noble savage. 

I've got no issue with a game portraying indigenous peoples trying to reclaim what was theirs before, seems like a logical action for them to take.

"Yet Native American warfare was widespread long before that, Stanish said.

The natives' ancient practice of using human scalps as trophies is well documented.

Native Americans before Columbus were probably about as violent as Europeans then, Stanish contended.

Ferguson didn't dispute this; indeed, he said, there was a time of unusually heavy violence among Native Americans before Columbus, around 1325. "There was some of the worst evidence of warfare that we see anywhere in the world anytime," he said."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2002/04/15/bones-reveal-some-truth-in-noble-savage-myth/c6a19b59-cef0-41a1-8df0-d9a59e9d02bd/

NorseGod

Nanfoodle

My grandmother was full Mi'kmaq and I do find these kinda of games racist. They don't paint a picture of what their culture went through. These types of games paint a generic picture that never existed. Same way Apoo was from the Simpsons. The sad part is how many start to believe this as how things were and that Natives are savages. IMO games like these should put forward a whole realistic picture of what really happened. Showing the good and the bad from both sides. 

Cleffy

From the trailer. This game looks to take place in the Great Plains considering the dead bison and topography. I think it is accurate to portray the Great Plains Indians in this way. The tribes of the time during US expansion west did engage in war and received their territory by trading for horses and guns to push out the tribes currently in this territory.

Asheram

I guess RDR 1 and 2 are ok because all whites are savages. I really dont understand why some are have a problem with the game because you play as the indian.

All nordic people weren't pillagers and rapists aka vikings do you also have similar feelings about games like Ancestors Legacy?


Anyways its a video game not a historical simulator. Here is the less violent teaser trailer:

ChildoftheShadows

Every game depicts a race doing something that may or may not have been historically accurate.

Asheram

ChildoftheShadows said:

Every game depicts a race doing something that may or may not have been historically accurate.

I guess the only way to avoid this is make the game in a fantasy world so sjw's cant try to compare it to irl.

AlBQuirky

Asheram said:

ChildoftheShadows said:

Every game depicts a race doing something that may or may not have been historically accurate.

I guess the only way to avoid this is make the game in a fantasy world so sjw's cant try to compare it to irl.

Oh, they will anyway, unless it's non-humanoidal space aliens

Asheram

@Prime_Directive
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comanche

"Comanche power was based on bison, horses, trading, and raiding. They hunted the bison of the Great Plains for food and skins; their adoption of the horse from Spanish colonists in New Mexico made them more mobile; they traded with the Spanish, French, Americans and neighboring Native American peoples; and (most famously) they waged war on and raided European settlements as well as other Native Americans.[2] They took captives from weaker tribes during warfare, using them as slaves or selling them to the Spanish and later Mexican settlers. They also took thousands of captives from the Spanish, Mexican, and American settlers and incorporated them into Comanche society"

Asheram

I guess you boycotted Mel Gibsons movie Apocalypto too. You seem to be implying the native americans where somehow above human nature. But there are plenty of examples in history that I am not going to list and not by 1 tribe out of a 1000. You seem to forget the other wars that used indians to kill other indians that supported the other side.
As far as the story you seem to know more of it than I do the game isnt even in ea yet. You seem to assume there isnt a story before the game eis even out

syltmacka

i need this game.+ native americans are cool

Cleffy

If we are talking about the Great Plains, there are the Dakota, Lakota, and Cheyenne as well. These tribes came from the Great Lakes area and used the horse to claim large territories. Don't fantasize history. This was a chaotic time on the Great Plains. The only one of these tribes that were somewhat peaceful was the Cheyenne. Trade with European nations allowed them to claim greater territory than those tribes that did not trade. They shifted from agrarian culture to nomadic due to the horse as civilizations did in the central steppes.

Kyleran

Prime_Directive said:a 

Kyleran said:

Seems to be some debate over the myth of the noble savage. 

I've got no issue with a game portraying indigenous peoples trying to reclaim what was theirs before, seems like a logical action for them to take.

"Yet Native American warfare was widespread long before that, Stanish said.

The natives' ancient practice of using human scalps as trophies is well documented.

Native Americans before Columbus were probably about as violent as Europeans then, Stanish contended.

Ferguson didn't dispute this; indeed, he said, there was a time of unusually heavy violence among Native Americans before Columbus, around 1325. "There was some of the worst evidence of warfare that we see anywhere in the world anytime," he said."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2002/04/15/bones-reveal-some-truth-in-noble-savage-myth/c6a19b59-cef0-41a1-8df0-d9a59e9d02bd/

so you quoting someone talking about Columbus who never set foot in America because he landed in the Caribbean , you realize the people of south america would've been Aztec in nature... my brain , my brain... #facepalm

That was one of the worst troll attemps I've seen in a while, how you got them to hook was an accomplishment all with in itself , 1000points/

Lulz...crushed another opponent into the dirt with an application of quoted facts.....

Score is now about 4352 to 7. I win more often than the Patriots.

  

newbismx

...Savages. You're all bloody savages.

Zorgo

Prime_Directive said:

Asheram said:

@Prime_Directive
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comanche

"Comanche power was based on bison, horses, trading, and raiding. They hunted the bison of the Great Plains for food and skins; their adoption of the horse from Spanish colonists in New Mexico made them more mobile; they traded with the Spanish, French, Americans and neighboring Native American peoples; and (most famously) they waged war on and raided European settlements as well as other Native Americans.[2] They took captives from weaker tribes during warfare, using them as slaves or selling them to the Spanish and later Mexican settlers. They also took thousands of captives from the Spanish, Mexican, and American settlers and incorporated them into Comanche society"

one tribe out of thousands, game is racist , im done.

Blackfoot Sioux, Cheyenne, Apache, Kiowa also. And don't read up on the Navajo's of the 16th and 17th centuries. The game is obviously depicting Native Americans of the Great Plains/westward expansion; where they would have encountered 5 of the largest and most warlike nations. 

They were brutal. No more brutal than the white settlers/U.S. gov't, but still brutal. And as the game depicts; it was their land - their land through conquest. Conquest of other tribes and then through the defense of their gains against encroaching settlers.

The game probably does have huge inaccuracies. However, you should probably research the actual history of Native American/European conflict before lumping a 400-year history of contact among hundreds (not thousands) of nations into the myth of the 'noble savage'. 

It's one thing to think they didn't deserve the treatment they received. It is another thing entirely to assume that meant they were all non-violent pacifists.  

Zorgo

Prime_Directive said:

Kyleran said:

Seems to be some debate over the myth of the noble savage. 

I've got no issue with a game portraying indigenous peoples trying to reclaim what was theirs before, seems like a logical action for them to take.

"Yet Native American warfare was widespread long before that, Stanish said.

The natives' ancient practice of using human scalps as trophies is well documented.

Native Americans before Columbus were probably about as violent as Europeans then, Stanish contended.

Ferguson didn't dispute this; indeed, he said, there was a time of unusually heavy violence among Native Americans before Columbus, around 1325. "There was some of the worst evidence of warfare that we see anywhere in the world anytime," he said."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2002/04/15/bones-reveal-some-truth-in-noble-savage-myth/c6a19b59-cef0-41a1-8df0-d9a59e9d02bd/

so you quoting someone talking about Columbus who never set foot in America because he landed in the Caribbean , you realize the people of south america would've been Aztec in nature... my brain , my brain... #facepalm

That was one of the worst troll attemps I've seen in a while, how you got them to hook was an accomplishment all with in itself , 1000points/

I love it when someone who thinks they know something #facepalm's someone with incorrect information. Aztecs were Meso-American (central American). The Incans were South America - and not all South American nations were Incan. And not all Meso-Americans were Aztec. There's Mayan and a few hundred others there.