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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 13,309
    This actually looks pretty damn good. And a single player game!

    Could it be that EA is rethinking their "everything must be an online GaaS" horseshit?

    Color me very interested. 
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  • DeyirnDeyirn Member UncommonPosts: 504

    Utinni said:


    Show us on the doll where disney touched you.


    CODE RED, I REPEAT, CODE RED. DISNEY FANBOY DETECTED, FIRE THE NUKES ON IT BEFORE IT SPREADS THE SICKNESS.

  • WingdoorWingdoor Newbie CommonPosts: 2
    Cal must be the young Caleb from Star Wars Rebels. He dies around the time of the Battle of Yavin and never meets Luke Skywalker.
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  • UtinniUtinni Member EpicPosts: 1,429
    Apparently you can only be FULL OUTRAGE or FULL FANBOY of stuff these days. Must suck to be angry all the time.
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  • BadSpockBadSpock Member UncommonPosts: 7,978
    edited October 2019
    This thread reminds me so much why I hate most Star Wars "fans."

    If it's not your perfect head-cannon, well it's just garbage.

    I grew up on the original trilogy. I was in high school when the prequels came out. Hell, my parents first movie date in 1977 was Star Wars a New Hope!

    I've played every (or nearly every) Star Wars game ever made, read the vast majority of the old EU books, love all 10 Star Wars films for their own merits.

    I loved Battlefront 2, spent a ton of time in that game and never once paid for anything - that negative "hype" was COMPLETELY overdone and frankly disgusting to call such toxic people pissing on developers and their incredible work "gamers" or Star Wars "fans."

    This game looks amazing. Like a Force Unleashed/Jedi Knight/Academy + Dark Souls + Metroid + Uncharted mash up of creamy Star Wars goodness. Will it be perfect? No of course not. I trust Respawn, I trust what my eyes and ears are telling me on everything I've seen/read/heard about this game, and I trust the opinion of professional game reviewers across a plethora of sites, including MMORPG.com.

    I LOVE Star Wars. All of it. Even the campy or stupid parts. You know why? Because I'm a FAN!

    So bring on Fallen Order. I can't wait!

    (Also bring on Ep IX, I just hope JJ doesn't retcon all the great work RJ did in 8 with his Lost-esque crap.)
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 5,126
    edited October 2019
    BadSpock said:
    (Also bring on Ep IX, I just hope JJ doesn't retcon all the great work RJ did in 8 with his Lost-esque crap.)
    I legitimately laughed out loud. 
    BadSpockcameltosisGorwe
  • Viper482Viper482 Member EpicPosts: 2,832
    Tired of controlling someone else's characters in these games. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the next Elder Scrolls has a pre-determined character you will be forced to play.
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  • BadSpockBadSpock Member UncommonPosts: 7,978
    Aeander said:
    BadSpock said:
    (Also bring on Ep IX, I just hope JJ doesn't retcon all the great work RJ did in 8 with his Lost-esque crap.)
    I legitimately laughed out loud. 
    I'm sorry? It would totally derail the thread but ... https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_the_last_jedi

    Critics score is all that matters. Audience score is like user scores on Metacritic. The unruly unwashed mob crying foul over their perfect head cannon, review bombed by angry trolls and bots, etc.

    Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but not all opinions are equal. 
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  • BadSpockBadSpock Member UncommonPosts: 7,978
    Viper482 said:
    Tired of controlling someone else's characters in these games. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the next Elder Scrolls has a pre-determined character you will be forced to play.
    I have reservations about "generic white male actor #47" they got for this, but i'll reserve judgement until I see/experience the performance which is, after all, why they would hire an actor to play the main protagonist vs. a create-your-own protagonist.
  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 5,126
    edited October 2019
    Viper482 said:
    Tired of controlling someone else's characters in these games. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the next Elder Scrolls has a pre-determined character you will be forced to play.
    Two different types of games. One is trying to tell you a good story and the other is trying to let you make your own story. There's a place for both, and frankly, the former typically makes for a better experience. I'll take a Witcher 3 over an Elder Scrolls any day.

    I wouldn't expect the Elder Scrolls to ever use premade characters, because the idea of Bethesda having to lean on their story writing is funny. They aren't CDProjekt. It would only kill everything people like about their games while highlighting their flaws.
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,679
    BadSpock said:
    Aeander said:
    BadSpock said:
    (Also bring on Ep IX, I just hope JJ doesn't retcon all the great work RJ did in 8 with his Lost-esque crap.)
    I legitimately laughed out loud. 
    I'm sorry? It would totally derail the thread but ... https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_the_last_jedi

    Critics score is all that matters. Audience score is like user scores on Metacritic. The unruly unwashed mob crying foul over their perfect head cannon, review bombed by angry trolls and bots, etc.

    Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but not all opinions are equal. 
    I was going to say, I am on the side of the critics with this one. 

    Exactly as you say, the mob, most likely a small, extremely invested, extremely opinionated and disenfranchised lot trolled the voting because the movie in their souls wasn't made. 


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  • UtinniUtinni Member EpicPosts: 1,429
    BadSpock said:
    Aeander said:
    BadSpock said:
    (Also bring on Ep IX, I just hope JJ doesn't retcon all the great work RJ did in 8 with his Lost-esque crap.)
    I legitimately laughed out loud. 
    I'm sorry? It would totally derail the thread but ... https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_the_last_jedi

    Critics score is all that matters. Audience score is like user scores on Metacritic. The unruly unwashed mob crying foul over their perfect head cannon, review bombed by angry trolls and bots, etc.

    Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but not all opinions are equal. 
    I think people forget that star wars is made for everyone, not just edgy adults. Even the original movies were child friendly and goofy. Now people go in expecting some rated R Scorsese action drama they are upset.
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 5,126
    edited October 2019
    I don't expect an edgy movie. I don't expect a movie to include every fan theory ever or be "the movie in my head" like certain fanboys seem to insist is the case.

    I do, however, expect a movie to answer the questions it and its predecessors lay out with more than a "who cares?" That's what The Last Jedi does. Every time there is a mystery, it shrugs and says "whatever, fuck it." Rey is no one and Snoke never mattered. It doesn't posit or flesh out anything, but rather wipes the slate blank. Which, if this were a trilogy starter, might have been acceptable; but as the second movie in a trilogy does not function. It leaves the universe in an awkward place going forward.

    I do not care what your answers are, but you should have answers, and they should make sense.
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  • immodiumimmodium Member RarePosts: 2,581
    edited October 2019
    BadSpock said:

    (Also bring on Ep IX, I just hope JJ doesn't retcon all the great work RJ did in 8 with his Lost-esque crap.)
    I'm just hoping they don't do a u-turn on Rey and claim she is related to someone we know of (including EU).

    I'm looking forward to the Knights of Ren.
    BadSpock

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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 5,126
    immodium said:
    BadSpock said:

    (Also bring on Ep IX, I just hope JJ doesn't retcon all the great work RJ did in 8 with his Lost-esque crap.)
    I'm just hoping they don't do a u-turn on Rey and claim she is related to someone we know of (including EU).

    I'm looking forwarded to the Knights of Ren.
    I'm not even sure if they could do a u-turn. You would either have to say that Kylo is a liar, or you'd have to pull some bullshit like "but I never said who your grandparents were, hyuk!"
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,679
    Utinni said:
    BadSpock said:
    Aeander said:
    BadSpock said:
    (Also bring on Ep IX, I just hope JJ doesn't retcon all the great work RJ did in 8 with his Lost-esque crap.)
    I legitimately laughed out loud. 
    I'm sorry? It would totally derail the thread but ... https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_the_last_jedi

    Critics score is all that matters. Audience score is like user scores on Metacritic. The unruly unwashed mob crying foul over their perfect head cannon, review bombed by angry trolls and bots, etc.

    Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but not all opinions are equal. 
    I think people forget that star wars is made for everyone, not just edgy adults. Even the original movies were child friendly and goofy. Now people go in expecting some rated R Scorsese action drama they are upset.
    I think it is more along the lines that they saw "whichever" movies and they expect everything to be the same. Not expanding it, not seeing what other things can be done with it.

    Additionally, it has to match the move in their heads.
    Aeander



  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 5,126
    edited October 2019
    Sovrath said:
    Utinni said:
    BadSpock said:
    Aeander said:
    BadSpock said:
    (Also bring on Ep IX, I just hope JJ doesn't retcon all the great work RJ did in 8 with his Lost-esque crap.)
    I legitimately laughed out loud. 
    I'm sorry? It would totally derail the thread but ... https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_the_last_jedi

    Critics score is all that matters. Audience score is like user scores on Metacritic. The unruly unwashed mob crying foul over their perfect head cannon, review bombed by angry trolls and bots, etc.

    Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but not all opinions are equal. 
    I think people forget that star wars is made for everyone, not just edgy adults. Even the original movies were child friendly and goofy. Now people go in expecting some rated R Scorsese action drama they are upset.
    I think it is more along the lines that they saw "whichever" movies and they expect everything to be the same. Not expanding it, not seeing what other things can be done with it.

    Additionally, it has to match the move in their heads.
    I think a discussion on the merits of subversion and what constitutes effective subversion might be warranted. You seem to be under the impression that all subversion is good subversion, or at least that the hate for TLJ (and Game of Thrones) stems from it being subversive.

    Indeed, I could actually take the time to present examples of very effective and genuinely surprising subversion that enrich their narratives rather than demolish them. For now, to avoid spoilers, I'll just say that two particular Brandon Sanderson series - Mistborn and The Stormlight Archive - show how expectations can genuinely be thwarted in the best possible ways. And not in small ways either.

    One even goes so far as to have a secondary character go through a complete, introspective, and visible heroes' journey while the reader is focused on a decoy protagonist.


  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,679
    Aeander said:
    Sovrath said:
    Utinni said:
    BadSpock said:
    Aeander said:
    BadSpock said:
    (Also bring on Ep IX, I just hope JJ doesn't retcon all the great work RJ did in 8 with his Lost-esque crap.)
    I legitimately laughed out loud. 
    I'm sorry? It would totally derail the thread but ... https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_the_last_jedi

    Critics score is all that matters. Audience score is like user scores on Metacritic. The unruly unwashed mob crying foul over their perfect head cannon, review bombed by angry trolls and bots, etc.

    Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but not all opinions are equal. 
    I think people forget that star wars is made for everyone, not just edgy adults. Even the original movies were child friendly and goofy. Now people go in expecting some rated R Scorsese action drama they are upset.
    I think it is more along the lines that they saw "whichever" movies and they expect everything to be the same. Not expanding it, not seeing what other things can be done with it.

    Additionally, it has to match the move in their heads.
    I think a discussion on the merits of subversion and what constitutes effective subversion might be warranted. You seem to be under the impression that all subversion is good subversion, or at least that the hate for TLJ (and Game of Thrones) stems from it being subversive.

    Indeed, I could actually take the time to present examples of very effective and genuinely surprising subversion that enrich their narratives rather than demolish them. For now, to avoid spoilers, I'll just say that two particular Brandon Sanderson series - Mistborn and The Stormlight Archive - show how expectations can genuinely be thwarted in the best possible ways. And not in small ways either. One even goes so far as to have a secondary character go through a complete, introspective, and visible heroes' journey while the reader is focused on a decoy protagonist.
    I'm all for subversion (in the context you present it) if it works and is done well. Of course, "done well" is not only subjective but is also dependent on what the property/context is.

    Not everything requires it and not everything requires it to be so involved. Then again, sometimes playing around with things that are normally straight forward yields great results and sometimes it's not necessary.





  • UtinniUtinni Member EpicPosts: 1,429
    Aeander said:
    I don't expect an edgy movie. I don't expect a movie to include every fan theory ever or be "the movie in my head" like certain fanboys seem to insist is the case.

    I do, however, expect a movie to answer the questions it and its predecessors lay out with more than a "who cares?" That's what The Last Jedi does. Every time there is a mystery, it shrugs and says "whatever, fuck it." Rey is no one and Snoke never mattered. It doesn't posit or flesh out anything, but rather wipes the slate blank. Which, if this were a trilogy starter, might have been acceptable; but as the second movie in a trilogy does not function. It leaves the universe in an awkward place going forward.

    I do not care what your answers are, but you should have answers, and they should make sense.
    You're reading into Star Wars a bit too much me thinks. It's not that deep bro.
    Aeander
  • BadSpockBadSpock Member UncommonPosts: 7,978
    Aeander said:
    Which, if this were a trilogy starter, might have been acceptable; but as the second movie in a trilogy does not function. 
    Says someone who has not seen the 3rd act of said trilogy. Sure you aren't a Jedi with that prophetic gift?

    :smile:
  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 5,126
    edited October 2019
    BadSpock said:
    Aeander said:
    Which, if this were a trilogy starter, might have been acceptable; but as the second movie in a trilogy does not function. 
    Says someone who has not seen the 3rd act of said trilogy. Sure you aren't a Jedi with that prophetic gift?

    :smile:
    Hey, you're the one saying that you hope that JJ Abrams doesn't retcon RJ's "great" work (you know, the one that retconned JJ's work). 


    Don't be a hypocrite now.
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,679
    Aeander said:
    BadSpock said:
    Aeander said:
    Which, if this were a trilogy starter, might have been acceptable; but as the second movie in a trilogy does not function. 
    Says someone who has not seen the 3rd act of said trilogy. Sure you aren't a Jedi with that prophetic gift?

    :smile:
    Hey, you're the one saying that you hope that JJ Abrams doesn't retcon RJ's "great" work (you know, the one that retconned JJ's work). 


    Don't be a hypocrite now.
    But it's a good point. People freaked out at the end without taking into account that here was a whole other movie coming out. 

    It's as if there is a vocal group of people who need to have the moves do x, y and z AND everything has to be tied up in a nice little bow at the end. 

    But isn't that movie audiences in general? Leave a mystery here and there and people hate it. I'm the opposite and very 'ok' with having things not explained.
    immodium



  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,275
    Oh this game...again. I like this gimmick bot better than the last one....

    If you want a new idea, go read an old book.

  • BadSpockBadSpock Member UncommonPosts: 7,978
    Aeander said:
    BadSpock said:
    Aeander said:
    Which, if this were a trilogy starter, might have been acceptable; but as the second movie in a trilogy does not function. 
    Says someone who has not seen the 3rd act of said trilogy. Sure you aren't a Jedi with that prophetic gift?

    :smile:
    Hey, you're the one saying that you hope that JJ Abrams doesn't retcon RJ's "great" work (you know, the one that retconned JJ's work). 


    Don't be a hypocrite now.
    Not at all, the 2nd act was perfect in subverting expectations and delivering actual surprises instead of the tried and true formula of Episode 7. 

    Why is that different? Because there is a 3rd act that now has to play in the world left after the cataclysmic events of Episode 8. You know, kind of like how Episode 5 "broke" Star Wars and then RotJ delivered an absolutely smashing conclusion.

    RotJ did so without altering or diminishing the importance of the events in ESB. That is my hope for Ep 9, that it delivers a smashing conclusion without altering or diminishing the events of TLJ.

    It would be a damn shame for Disney/JJ to cave to the trolls and head-cannon "purists" who pissed all over TLJ and try and idiotically "correct" what happens in TLJ.
  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 5,126
    edited October 2019
    Sovrath said:
    Aeander said:
    BadSpock said:
    Aeander said:
    Which, if this were a trilogy starter, might have been acceptable; but as the second movie in a trilogy does not function. 
    Says someone who has not seen the 3rd act of said trilogy. Sure you aren't a Jedi with that prophetic gift?

    :smile:
    Hey, you're the one saying that you hope that JJ Abrams doesn't retcon RJ's "great" work (you know, the one that retconned JJ's work). 


    Don't be a hypocrite now.
    But it's a good point. People freaked out at the end without taking into account that here was a whole other movie coming out. 

    It's as if there is a vocal group of people who need to have the moves do x, y and z AND everything has to be tied up in a nice little bow at the end. 

    But isn't that movie audiences in general? Leave a mystery here and there and people hate it. I'm the opposite and very 'ok' with having things not explained.
    Is it a good point? Is it really?

    Anyway, I'm open to being proven wrong. I certainly hope that I am. But all of the pre-release marketing comes across as desperate attempts by JJ to somehow redirect the ship in its original direction after RJ steered it through a field of icebergs.

    "Oh, no! This fuckin idiot killed my main villain. What do I do? Oh, I know. Palpie's back! People like Palps right!?"
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