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ArcheAge Unchained has broken their No P2W promises

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  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,297
    DMKano said:
    Lol way to fail Gamigo. 

    Theu showed their intention early

    How many times did I tell you guys that the shit they say on streams holds zero water.

    Expect more of this post launch - Gamigo has zero integrity- all they want is to hook as many players in with "no p2w" promises and then crank up P2W post launch. 

    No surprise- more P2W will come post launch
    They've confirmed they are removing the gifting already. Keep up buddy.
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  • goboygogoboygo Member RarePosts: 2,140
    Using that logic, any game that has gold farmers that sell gold for money can be considered P2W, which is every game in existance. It seems what you're asking for is a game where nothing is trad-able therefore nothing can be bought or sold with real money.
    Uhh no.  That is a twisted piece of logic.  Right up there with sub only games with no cash shop are just like F2P games because a F2P games cash shop loot box is just like a boss in that Pay to Play game, it only has a chance to drop something you want.
  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 12,823
    I've happily bought the game. Random hater No. 16 hasn't got the credibility that I have, I have scoured every inch of it on the PTS and there isn't a sniff of P2W anywhere. Still doesn't stop the gankers though cos those guys are just more organized than everyone else, at least right now.

    It's funny because the game all the haters wanted in the first place is finally here. It's a shame it took so long and it's crap they haven't given Unchained for free to anyone that bought an original founders pack but it's also sad that they'll miss out on the game they wanted.

    The haters should really take a step back tbh because how this launch goes is going to shape the future of other Eastern MMOs released in the West. If it goes well we will start seeing more and more BTP without P2W. If it goes bad, I doubt we'll see another attempt.

    Bless and Astellia were not the game changers because they just aren't very good games in the first place.

    This is the one that can make all the difference. This is the example those eastern developers need to see work to convince them that this is the best way to do things over here.
    I think Lineage II and FFXIV already did that for Eastern mmorpgs but I agree that this is an important step for this game in particular. Not sure why you think it just Eastern mmorpgs though? Outside of WOW what do Western mmorpgs show? WOW, GW2 and ESO have wildly different pricing schemes. As do FFXIV and BDO. 
    This not an East versus West conversation. It is how relevant mmorpgs are at all from any region. 
    For fans of this kind of mmorpg I am excited for you/them. I hope long term it works out for you.  For fans of the mmorpg genre as a whole though it is once again placing hopes on old games to carry the future......or to see the genre through it's swan song. 
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  • UtinniUtinni Member EpicPosts: 2,046
    If trading is considered P2W every game I've ever enjoyed is :)
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  • CelciusCelcius Member RarePosts: 1,717
    edited October 2019
    yonpachi said:
    apparently by allowing cash shop gifting. 

    Here is the link for more details http://forums.archeagegame.com/showthread.php?355397-Gifting-Credits-and-why-it-is-quot-Pay-to-Win-quot
    This seems like a bit of a stretch. Unless gifting people stuff for gold in game (basically trading cash shop items) is officially allowed, this isn't really P2W. That is like saying since gold sellers will exist it's p2w.

    Oh hey, read further into thread and turns out they already changed it. That is that I guess lol
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  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,297
    I've happily bought the game. Random hater No. 16 hasn't got the credibility that I have, I have scoured every inch of it on the PTS and there isn't a sniff of P2W anywhere. Still doesn't stop the gankers though cos those guys are just more organized than everyone else, at least right now.

    It's funny because the game all the haters wanted in the first place is finally here. It's a shame it took so long and it's crap they haven't given Unchained for free to anyone that bought an original founders pack but it's also sad that they'll miss out on the game they wanted.

    The haters should really take a step back tbh because how this launch goes is going to shape the future of other Eastern MMOs released in the West. If it goes well we will start seeing more and more BTP without P2W. If it goes bad, I doubt we'll see another attempt.

    Bless and Astellia were not the game changers because they just aren't very good games in the first place.

    This is the one that can make all the difference. This is the example those eastern developers need to see work to convince them that this is the best way to do things over here.
    I think Lineage II and FFXIV already did that for Eastern mmorpgs but I agree that this is an important step for this game in particular. Not sure why you think it just Eastern mmorpgs though? Outside of WOW what do Western mmorpgs show? WOW, GW2 and ESO have wildly different pricing schemes. As do FFXIV and BDO. 
    This not an East versus West conversation. It is how relevant mmorpgs are at all from any region. 
    For fans of this kind of mmorpg I am excited for you/them. I hope long term it works out for you.  For fans of the mmorpg genre as a whole though it is once again placing hopes on old games to carry the future......or to see the genre through it's swan song. 
    Eastern tend to be worse at the P2W thing. It's largely accepted over there. I can't be bothered having a big discussion about it with examples and some kind of back and forth... but every MMO player knows that most of the time it's the Eastern games that offer P2W incentives through things like tiered RNG upgrade systems. There's some examples that don't, sure, but there's 20 times more examples that do.

    What I don't want to see is Lost Ark and the new Lineage being ruined like ArcheAge was in the beginning. BDO's success isn't helpful towards avoiding this.
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  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,297
    DMKano said:
    DMKano said:
    Lol way to fail Gamigo. 

    Theu showed their intention early

    How many times did I tell you guys that the shit they say on streams holds zero water.

    Expect more of this post launch - Gamigo has zero integrity- all they want is to hook as many players in with "no p2w" promises and then crank up P2W post launch. 

    No surprise- more P2W will come post launch
    They've confirmed they are removing the gifting already. Keep up buddy.


    Umm do you not understand what "shows their intention early means?"

    They were planning to do this post launch but let it slip early. 

    Saying "oh no wr wont do this" is just to protect pre-sales and orders.

    They will still do this - at some point.

    So you keep up buddy :)
    Lol come on.. this was clearly an oversight that they've removed as soon as they realised their mistake.

    If they were being that calculated they wouldn't have slipped up on the PTS.

    It's hilarious you think they are all sat in some room rubbing their hands together and cackling about how much they are going to trick everyone. It's kinda cute.
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  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 12,823
    edited October 2019
    I've happily bought the game. Random hater No. 16 hasn't got the credibility that I have, I have scoured every inch of it on the PTS and there isn't a sniff of P2W anywhere. Still doesn't stop the gankers though cos those guys are just more organized than everyone else, at least right now.

    It's funny because the game all the haters wanted in the first place is finally here. It's a shame it took so long and it's crap they haven't given Unchained for free to anyone that bought an original founders pack but it's also sad that they'll miss out on the game they wanted.

    The haters should really take a step back tbh because how this launch goes is going to shape the future of other Eastern MMOs released in the West. If it goes well we will start seeing more and more BTP without P2W. If it goes bad, I doubt we'll see another attempt.

    Bless and Astellia were not the game changers because they just aren't very good games in the first place.

    This is the one that can make all the difference. This is the example those eastern developers need to see work to convince them that this is the best way to do things over here.
    I think Lineage II and FFXIV already did that for Eastern mmorpgs but I agree that this is an important step for this game in particular. Not sure why you think it just Eastern mmorpgs though? Outside of WOW what do Western mmorpgs show? WOW, GW2 and ESO have wildly different pricing schemes. As do FFXIV and BDO. 
    This not an East versus West conversation. It is how relevant mmorpgs are at all from any region. 
    For fans of this kind of mmorpg I am excited for you/them. I hope long term it works out for you.  For fans of the mmorpg genre as a whole though it is once again placing hopes on old games to carry the future......or to see the genre through it's swan song. 
    Eastern tend to be worse at the P2W thing. It's largely accepted over there. I can't be bothered having a big discussion about it with examples and some kind of back and forth... but every MMO player knows that most of the time it's the Eastern games that offer P2W incentives through things like tiered RNG upgrade systems. There's some examples that don't, sure, but there's 20 times more examples that do.

    What I don't want to see is Lost Ark and the new Lineage being ruined like ArcheAge was in the beginning. BDO's success isn't helpful towards avoiding this.
    Perhaps. Yet the West has just as many titles that do they are just straddle games between mmorpgs and online multiplayer games. For pure mmorpgs? Maybe. For online games? The West is just as guilty.  
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  • ArteriusArterius Member EpicPosts: 2,857
    DMKano said:
    DMKano said:
    DMKano said:
    Lol way to fail Gamigo. 

    Theu showed their intention early

    How many times did I tell you guys that the shit they say on streams holds zero water.

    Expect more of this post launch - Gamigo has zero integrity- all they want is to hook as many players in with "no p2w" promises and then crank up P2W post launch. 

    No surprise- more P2W will come post launch
    They've confirmed they are removing the gifting already. Keep up buddy.


    Umm do you not understand what "shows their intention early means?"

    They were planning to do this post launch but let it slip early. 

    Saying "oh no wr wont do this" is just to protect pre-sales and orders.

    They will still do this - at some point.

    So you keep up buddy :)
    Lol come on.. this was clearly an oversight that they've removed as soon as they realised their mistake.

    If they were being that calculated they wouldn't have slipped up on the PTS.

    It's hilarious you think they are all sat in some room rubbing their hands together and cackling about how much they are going to trick everyone. It's kinda cute.


    The P2W post launch is already planned.

    They are not rubbing their hands as this was decided months ago.

    What's hillarious is that you are believing the story Gamgio is selling you


    P2W in AA Unchained is 100% guaranteed to happen - the only question is when
    DMKano said:
    DMKano said:
    DMKano said:
    Lol way to fail Gamigo. 

    Theu showed their intention early

    How many times did I tell you guys that the shit they say on streams holds zero water.

    Expect more of this post launch - Gamigo has zero integrity- all they want is to hook as many players in with "no p2w" promises and then crank up P2W post launch. 

    No surprise- more P2W will come post launch
    They've confirmed they are removing the gifting already. Keep up buddy.


    Umm do you not understand what "shows their intention early means?"

    They were planning to do this post launch but let it slip early. 

    Saying "oh no wr wont do this" is just to protect pre-sales and orders.

    They will still do this - at some point.

    So you keep up buddy :)
    Lol come on.. this was clearly an oversight that they've removed as soon as they realised their mistake.

    If they were being that calculated they wouldn't have slipped up on the PTS.

    It's hilarious you think they are all sat in some room rubbing their hands together and cackling about how much they are going to trick everyone. It's kinda cute.


    The P2W post launch is already planned.

    They are not rubbing their hands as this was decided months ago.

    What's hillarious is that you are believing the story Gamgio is selling you


    P2W in AA Unchained is 100% guaranteed to happen - the only question is when
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  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,297
    edited October 2019
    DMKano said:


    The P2W post launch is already planned.

    They are not rubbing their hands as this was decided months ago.

    What's hillarious is that you are believing the story Gamgio is selling you


    P2W in AA Unchained is 100% guaranteed to happen - the only question is when
    I'm not believing anything. I've looked and seen and right now I decided it's worth a purchase. I don't plan on playing any game forever anyway. If anything's different on launch day then I'll issue a charge back through the bank and that'll be the end of it.

    I think that if the game fails then they'll probably ruin everything by looking for more ways to make money. If it's succeeds and is popular with this model they'll hopefully leave it as it is.
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  • CelciusCelcius Member RarePosts: 1,717
    DMKano said:


    The P2W post launch is already planned.

    They are not rubbing their hands as this was decided months ago.

    What's hillarious is that you are believing the story Gamgio is selling you


    P2W in AA Unchained is 100% guaranteed to happen - the only question is when
    I'm not believing anything. I've looked and seen and right now I decided it's worth a purchase. I don't plan on playing any game forever anyway. If anything's different on launch day then I'll issue a charge back through the bank and that'll be the end of it.

    I think that if the game fails then they'll probably ruin everything by looking for more ways to make money. If it's succeeds and is popular with this model they'll hopefully leave it as it is.

    I wouldn't even worry about it. If they implement P2W you will already have gotten your money's worth by that point.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 15,681
    Celcius said:
     That is like saying since gold sellers will exist it's p2w. 

    Yup. It's the oldest and most common form of P2W that allows someone to throw cash at games to gain an advantage. In this case gold to buy the most powerful and expensive AH items they can buy.

    What seems to be confusing you is the notion that it is only P2W if it's legit through the company itself. That's not the case. There is sanctioned and unsanctioned (gold and item and leveling sellers) P2W and the unsanctioned variety has been around much longer.
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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 7,889
    DMKano said:
    Celcius said:
    DMKano said:


    The P2W post launch is already planned.

    They are not rubbing their hands as this was decided months ago.

    What's hillarious is that you are believing the story Gamgio is selling you


    P2W in AA Unchained is 100% guaranteed to happen - the only question is when
    I'm not believing anything. I've looked and seen and right now I decided it's worth a purchase. I don't plan on playing any game forever anyway. If anything's different on launch day then I'll issue a charge back through the bank and that'll be the end of it.

    I think that if the game fails then they'll probably ruin everything by looking for more ways to make money. If it's succeeds and is popular with this model they'll hopefully leave it as it is.

    I wouldn't even worry about it. If they implement P2W you will already have gotten your money's worth by that point.


    The word you are looking for is "when" not "if"

    Look everyone can spend their money as they wish, but giving money to a company like this - only enables the game companies to keep screwing over the players.

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  • ultimateduckultimateduck Member RarePosts: 825
    There are some people who post here that I can't remember them ever saying anything good about any game. They are posting "fact" that is little more than their negative opinion they seem to have on every game. Of the thousands of posts they have on this site, how many are positive posts about a game? I bet that it isn't that many.

    I quit AA because it was P2W. Their regrade system made it impossible to progress past a certain point without dumping a mass amount of money into it. It is a great game if it wasn't for that, which seems to be addressed. Let's hope they can keep it clean.

    I think the P2W reaction of people being able to trade costumes purchased in the cash shop is ridiculous. It's the same people who do nothing but bitch about every game ever mentioned, popping in and screaming "I told you so". Even though Gamingo removed the silly issue, these same people are claiming they had some inside knowledge about how this has been planned for months or how future events will play out... clearly they have no idea how long this was planned or what's planned for the future. They just want to feel justified in their nonstop bitchfest.

    Guess what, you idiots don't know any more than anyone else. You don't have to buy the game or play it... ever. Coming here and spewing your negative nonsense does nothing for anyone.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 15,324
    edited October 2019
    Using that logic, any game that has gold farmers that sell gold for money can be considered P2W, which is every game in existance. It seems what you're asking for is a game where nothing is trad-able therefore nothing can be bought or sold with real money.
    Well most MMOs try to stamp gold farmers out, not sure how you consider that my reasoning would ban gold farmers is such a bad thing?

    After that you have extend my reasoning in such a way that would be detrimental to a solid MMORPG. I am not saying people cannot sell items to others that they have made themselves for example. But nothing that is bought in the cash shop should be sellable to another player. Including items which need cash shop components to build.

    I would include gold farming here, but for different reasons. They are selling for a commercial profit usually as a third party organisation. They have no interest in building a good game just milking it.

    Trade in a MMO should be for items which players have made or collected as loot, not bought for real money.
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    WoW is P2W, where is the big outrage thread for that?
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  • ultimateduckultimateduck Member RarePosts: 825
    Scot said:

    Well most MMOs try to stamp gold farmers out, not sure how you consider that my reasoning would ban gold farmers is such a bad thing?

    After that you have extend my reasoning in such a way that would be detrimental to a solid MMORPG. I am not saying people cannot sell items to others that they have made themselves for example. But nothing that is bought in the cash shop should be sellable to another player. Including items which need cash shop components to build.

    I would include gold farming here, but for different reasons. They are selling for a commercial profit usually as a third party organisation. They have no interest in building a good game just milking it.

    Trade in a MMO should be for items which players have made or collected as loot, not bought for real money.
    It doesn't matter . People will always buy gold online. Most games aren't ruined because of it. If you think the market for buying a gay sailor or French maid costumes for gold is so lucrative that it will outweigh the damaging effects of third party gold sellers, then you may have a point... but I don't think that's the case. This type of post is little more that the same crybabies that bitch about every other game on the market and people that just want to say "I told you so".
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 15,324
    edited October 2019
    Scot said:

    Well most MMOs try to stamp gold farmers out, not sure how you consider that my reasoning would ban gold farmers is such a bad thing?

    After that you have extend my reasoning in such a way that would be detrimental to a solid MMORPG. I am not saying people cannot sell items to others that they have made themselves for example. But nothing that is bought in the cash shop should be sellable to another player. Including items which need cash shop components to build.

    I would include gold farming here, but for different reasons. They are selling for a commercial profit usually as a third party organisation. They have no interest in building a good game just milking it.

    Trade in a MMO should be for items which players have made or collected as loot, not bought for real money.
    It doesn't matter . People will always buy gold online. Most games aren't ruined because of it. If you think the market for buying a gay sailor or French maid costumes for gold is so lucrative that it will outweigh the damaging effects of third party gold sellers, then you may have a point... but I don't think that's the case. This type of post is little more that the same crybabies that bitch about every other game on the market and people that just want to say "I told you so".
    All we can expect is for MMO companies to do the best they can, I don't think anyone expects them to have a magic bullet. I think it would probably be best if you left your wild interpretations of what my posts really mean to yourself. You seem to have a habit of trying to link what somebody is saying that you don't like with other posters you don't like and issues that have no relevance to the post in hand.

    I am not sure where you even disagree with me, you presumed my first post meant something it did not and now seem to have widened the discussion to every MMO on the market. As always we will see where the truth lies when AAU launches, as to exactly how P2W it will be. This may be a storm in a tea cup.

  • ultimateduckultimateduck Member RarePosts: 825
    Scot said:
    All we can expect is for MMO companies to do the best they can, I don't think anyone expects them to have a magic bullet. I think it would probably be best if you left your wild interpretations of what my posts really mean to yourself. You seem to have a habit of trying to link what somebody is saying that you don't like with other posters you don't like and issues that have no relevance to the post in hand.

    I am not sure where you even disagree with me, you presumed my first post meant something it did not and now seem to have widened the discussion to every MMO on the market. As always we will see where the truth lies when AAU launches, as to exactly how P2W it will be. This may be a storm in a tea cup.

    I think the premise of what people are all up in arms about in this conversation is ridiculous. It seems they are looking for any reason to bitch.

    I don't know your intent, I'm just responding to your posts. Seems you think I'm for P2W or gold sellers. I'm not. I'm just pointing out the ridiculousness of people thinking this is proof that AA is trying to screw them. So, perhaps it would be best if you left your wild interpretations of what my posts really mean to yourself. ;)



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  • TheocritusTheocritus Member EpicPosts: 8,340
    I don't think there isn't a person here that didn't see that coming it was just a matter of when.
  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,636
    edited October 2019
    DMKano said:
    DMKano said:






    It's hilarious you think they are all sat in some room rubbing their hands together and cackling about how much they are going to trick everyone. It's kinda cute.

    Meanwhile, at XLGames...



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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 15,324
    Scot said:
    All we can expect is for MMO companies to do the best they can, I don't think anyone expects them to have a magic bullet. I think it would probably be best if you left your wild interpretations of what my posts really mean to yourself. You seem to have a habit of trying to link what somebody is saying that you don't like with other posters you don't like and issues that have no relevance to the post in hand.

    I am not sure where you even disagree with me, you presumed my first post meant something it did not and now seem to have widened the discussion to every MMO on the market. As always we will see where the truth lies when AAU launches, as to exactly how P2W it will be. This may be a storm in a tea cup.

    I think the premise of what people are all up in arms about in this conversation is ridiculous. It seems they are looking for any reason to bitch.

    I don't know your intent, I'm just responding to your posts. Seems you think I'm for P2W or gold sellers. I'm not. I'm just pointing out the ridiculousness of people thinking this is proof that AA is trying to screw them. So, perhaps it would be best if you left your wild interpretations of what my posts really mean to yourself. ;)


    Well with that I at least understand where you are coming from, there has been overreaction in this thread, but we are gamers it is what we do. :)

    So far to me they made a mistake and seem to have corrected it, let launch be the litmus test for AAU as it should be for any game.
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