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  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,380
    Nyctelios said:
    Go damn it! Just give me pre 1.0 and I'll toss money at you endlessly!!!
    kinda sad isn't? you look at the game and ask when was the best time of this game ever had? alpha phase

    when exploring would give you nui coins with could be used to buy a ship, when each mount had a speed and use, when you could make combos without a problem, when crafting was the better way to gear up, when crafters used the market to save labor by buying mats, when archeum drops was common, when dungeons was just a flavor to people who wanted to read the history, or wanted gear to break for mats

    funny when it launched nothing was there anymore
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  • TheocritusTheocritus Member EpicPosts: 7,673
    Never quite understodd what people liked so much about the game to begin with. It seemed pretty generic to me.
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  • XatshXatsh Member UncommonPosts: 381
    Ffxiv has p2w, wow has p2w, eso has p2w, gw2 has p2w, bdo has p2w.

    Each one of them have more p2w in their cashshop now than the new model of archeage.

    Yes gamigo has been known for p2w.

    But I mean blizzard released diablo 3 with an ingame rmt store, added a game time token to wow that can be sold for ingame gold sells flying mounts, and is focused in mobile games which are all cashshop p2w trash.

    SE sells a mount with max movement speed on the cashshop and leveling potions for both you and your npcs in ffxiv.

    So why do those companies get a pass when you have to sub and there is p2w and aau which atm has no p2w get crucified?
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  • WargasmDotAWargasmDotA Member UncommonPosts: 21
    I feel bad on streamers/gamer who always complain about mmos being pay to win. Korea got the best sandbox game, you should be happy they sharing it to you lul
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,986
    Herithius said:
    What's the worst case here? That the cash shop goes p2w in 6 months? If that means 6 months of a great sandbox experience for $25 then sign me up.
    Worst case scenario is that it takes 6 months, not 6 days or weeks, for this to turn into a shit show. By then we'll have forgotten all the people who didn't mind throwing their money away raging at Gamigo for getting shafted..... again. again. again.

    It used to not be funny to watch people repeatedly make the same bad choices with their money. Now it is kind of funny when you know they know it's a mistake. The funny part is when they defend a bad actor like Gamigo or pretend they're not going to get burnt.

    6 months is a long time to wait for those threads. :lol:
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  • RockardRockard Member UncommonPosts: 206
    Any info on the gear acquisition/gear upgrade systems?
    Will it be the usual Korean grind to death for the right to roll the dice with a high chance of degrading/breaking the item and a minuscule chance of upgrading-then spend money on items that ease off the madness and idiocy?
    Also hackers.What's up?
  • xD_GamingxD_Gaming Member EpicPosts: 2,676
    never fails, you people, gonna get buned.. lol
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  • RockardRockard Member UncommonPosts: 206
    Also,we don't have enough money for extra headsets.But AA will be super fine.
    Most reassuring.
  • RockardRockard Member UncommonPosts: 206

    cheeba said:



     This wont even last as long as the pedo game i am playing Astellia 



    Now that's just delusional.  LMAO



    They have bears in AA too.
  • RockardRockard Member UncommonPosts: 206
    edited September 2019
    25:30

    Just learned about BDO.
    xD_Gaming
  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,380
    Torval said:
    Herithius said:
    What's the worst case here? That the cash shop goes p2w in 6 months? If that means 6 months of a great sandbox experience for $25 then sign me up.
    Worst case scenario is that it takes 6 months, not 6 days or weeks, for this to turn into a shit show. By then we'll have forgotten all the people who didn't mind throwing their money away raging at Gamigo for getting shafted..... again. again. again.

    It used to not be funny to watch people repeatedly make the same bad choices with their money. Now it is kind of funny when you know they know it's a mistake. The funny part is when they defend a bad actor like Gamigo or pretend they're not going to get burnt.

    6 months is a long time to wait for those threads. :lol:
    give then 3 months give or take we will see these posts
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,359
    Xatsh said: hu
    Ffxiv has p2w, wow has p2w, eso has p2w, gw2 has p2w, bdo has p2w.

    Each one of them have more p2w in their cashshop now than the new model of archeage.

    Yes gamigo has been known for p2w.

    But I mean blizzard released diablo 3 with an ingame rmt store, added a game time token to wow that can be sold for ingame gold sells flying mounts, and is focused in mobile games which are all cashshop p2w trash.

    SE sells a mount with max movement speed on the cashshop and leveling potions for both you and your npcs in ffxiv.

    So why do those companies get a pass when you have to sub and there is p2w and aau which atm has no p2w get crucified?
    If you really have to ask then it probably is beyond your comprehension, but I suspect you well know why.

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  • mcrippinsmcrippins Member RarePosts: 1,460
    Torval said:
    Herithius said:
    What's the worst case here? That the cash shop goes p2w in 6 months? If that means 6 months of a great sandbox experience for $25 then sign me up.
    Worst case scenario is that it takes 6 months, not 6 days or weeks, for this to turn into a shit show. By then we'll have forgotten all the people who didn't mind throwing their money away raging at Gamigo for getting shafted..... again. again. again.

    It used to not be funny to watch people repeatedly make the same bad choices with their money. Now it is kind of funny when you know they know it's a mistake. The funny part is when they defend a bad actor like Gamigo or pretend they're not going to get burnt.

    6 months is a long time to wait for those threads. :lol:
    give then 3 months give or take we will see these posts
    ..And what if this doesn't happen? What if 3, 6, 12 months go by, and the game is not P2W? Then what? What about those people you convinced not to play a decent game? Oh well, right? 
    alkarionlog
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,359
    edited September 2019
    mcrippins said:
    Torval said:
    Herithius said:
    What's the worst case here? That the cash shop goes p2w in 6 months? If that means 6 months of a great sandbox experience for $25 then sign me up.
    Worst case scenario is that it takes 6 months, not 6 days or weeks, for this to turn into a shit show. By then we'll have forgotten all the people who didn't mind throwing their money away raging at Gamigo for getting shafted..... again. again. again.

    It used to not be funny to watch people repeatedly make the same bad choices with their money. Now it is kind of funny when you know they know it's a mistake. The funny part is when they defend a bad actor like Gamigo or pretend they're not going to get burnt.

    6 months is a long time to wait for those threads. :lol:
    give then 3 months give or take we will see these posts
    ..And what if this doesn't happen? What if 3, 6, 12 months go by, and the game is not P2W? Then what? What about those people you convinced not to play a decent game? Oh well, right? 
    Just a risk every gamer takes when making a decision to play or not based on a potential future event. 

    Neither outcome is a truly tragic occurance, especially for $25 or so.

    I liked their answer on MassivelyOP's recent interview to the politely phrased question about future monetization "changes."

    They believe by having two different server types, those who love their P2W progression will remain where they are, paying and playing.

    Unchained is for the non whale and they believe the new monetization model to be sustainable, with both server type being more than enough to sustain them

    Recommend those interested in this game go read the full interview. 

    https://massivelyop.com/2019/09/27/interview-archeage-unchaineds-merv-lee-kwai-on-housing-rmt-and-the-future-of-the-game/

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  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,818
    Saw some videos of the test server... so... they created a meta currency adding a new layer of exchange to items that helps with crafting upgrades claiming that you can exchange your achievement coins into that...

    But what they did not say, anywhere, is the possibility in the future to exchange credits into that currency to get the upgrade/crafting help items.

    I'm quite bitter by what Activision did on their latest titles; Shoving things they said they wouldn't do just to pull out a technicality of "we said it wouldnt be there on launch... we didnt say anything on later on"... So... yeah, no thanks.
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  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,380
    mcrippins said:
    Torval said:
    Herithius said:
    What's the worst case here? That the cash shop goes p2w in 6 months? If that means 6 months of a great sandbox experience for $25 then sign me up.
    Worst case scenario is that it takes 6 months, not 6 days or weeks, for this to turn into a shit show. By then we'll have forgotten all the people who didn't mind throwing their money away raging at Gamigo for getting shafted..... again. again. again.

    It used to not be funny to watch people repeatedly make the same bad choices with their money. Now it is kind of funny when you know they know it's a mistake. The funny part is when they defend a bad actor like Gamigo or pretend they're not going to get burnt.

    6 months is a long time to wait for those threads. :lol:
    give then 3 months give or take we will see these posts
    ..And what if this doesn't happen? What if 3, 6, 12 months go by, and the game is not P2W? Then what? What about those people you convinced not to play a decent game? Oh well, right? 
    ah not you are not getting it, IT WILL happen, we are only balling when, there is no IF it will, its like dead, eventually it will happen, only question is when
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,986
    mcrippins said:
    Torval said:
    Herithius said:
    What's the worst case here? That the cash shop goes p2w in 6 months? If that means 6 months of a great sandbox experience for $25 then sign me up.
    Worst case scenario is that it takes 6 months, not 6 days or weeks, for this to turn into a shit show. By then we'll have forgotten all the people who didn't mind throwing their money away raging at Gamigo for getting shafted..... again. again. again.

    It used to not be funny to watch people repeatedly make the same bad choices with their money. Now it is kind of funny when you know they know it's a mistake. The funny part is when they defend a bad actor like Gamigo or pretend they're not going to get burnt.

    6 months is a long time to wait for those threads. :lol:
    give then 3 months give or take we will see these posts
    ..And what if this doesn't happen? What if 3, 6, 12 months go by, and the game is not P2W? Then what? What about those people you convinced not to play a decent game? Oh well, right? 
    ah not you are not getting it, IT WILL happen, we are only balling when, there is no IF it will, its like dead, eventually it will happen, only question is when
    It's already happened. If the Premium Packs Jatobi posted aren't enough evidence for people nothing will be.

    I mean if people have to split hairs when getting milked then the battle is already lost. Does it really matter if the massive milk job is clearly P2W or just sort of P2W. The message now is that it's A-Okay to get milked hard if it's not pay 2 win. Maybe for someone else, but not for me it's not.
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  • HerithiusHerithius Member UncommonPosts: 193
    edited September 2019
    Archeage is one of the few, legitimate, polished, sandbox mmorpgs out there. That is why so many of us are willing to take the risk.

    If anything should be critiqued its nearly all of these kickstarter mmorpgs that, while admirable in efforts, are going to shortchange so many fans. Personally, Im exhausted waiting 6+ years for these mmorpgs that are just going to fall so very short.

    I just rather play a mmorpg than talk on a forum about them.
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  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,380
    Herithius said:
    Archeage is one of the few, legitimate, polished, sandbox mmorpgs out there. That is why so many of us are willing to take the risk.

    If anything should be critiqued its nearly all of these kickstarter mmorpgs that, while admirable in efforts, are going to shortchange so many fans. Personally, Im exhausted waiting 6+ years for these mmorpgs that are just going to fall so very short.

    I just rather play a mmorpg than talk on a forum about them.
    but her eis the deal, if oyu still keep giving money for half baked goods, why they will make it fully baked? there is no reason, people are like this if they belive they can do something and there is no penalty they will do so, if players don't give then money for this kinda of crap you belive they would do so?


    worse still there is no good will comming from then, they history tells us they are not to be trusted, they bussiness plan is game as a service and for that they will create hundles during game to sell items to help you (labor pots, xp potion, regrade items), remember then AA was possible to craft everything you needed no one cared or needed to do dungeon for gear, because crafted was better, that changed on day 1 launch, with make impossible to craft and people was forced to do dungeon runs to gear, and then make regrade the only way possible to get good gear.

    with then again they will repeat the same thing again, and you guys belive it will be diferent?

    kinda make me remember the wife beating thing, dude beat his wife, she leaves, then he tells her he will no do it again and for her to return, she return, then he beat her again, and ad infinitum, tell me why you guys like to get beaten that much?
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  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member EpicPosts: 1,951
    DMKano said:
    mcrippins said:
    Torval said:
    Herithius said:
    What's the worst case here? That the cash shop goes p2w in 6 months? If that means 6 months of a great sandbox experience for $25 then sign me up.
    Worst case scenario is that it takes 6 months, not 6 days or weeks, for this to turn into a shit show. By then we'll have forgotten all the people who didn't mind throwing their money away raging at Gamigo for getting shafted..... again. again. again.

    It used to not be funny to watch people repeatedly make the same bad choices with their money. Now it is kind of funny when you know they know it's a mistake. The funny part is when they defend a bad actor like Gamigo or pretend they're not going to get burnt.

    6 months is a long time to wait for those threads. :lol:
    give then 3 months give or take we will see these posts
    ..And what if this doesn't happen? What if 3, 6, 12 months go by, and the game is not P2W? Then what? What about those people you convinced not to play a decent game? Oh well, right? 


    Literally impossible to not happen - again look who is in charge Gamigo, XL

    They are known for predatory cash shops - which are still in full effect in their other games.

    Once the sales dip - they are going to crank the cash shops up and milk those whales, just like they did before with Trion.

    The strategy is to lure the players initially, hook them on the game and then crank up the cash shop slowly over time - like being inside of a pot and they are cranking up the heat slowly so the players dont notice when the water starts boiling.


    Asking what if this doesnt happen - this is exactly how they get you - they exploit your trust via a few streams where they paint this ideal bullshit picture - this is nothing than a sales pitch 

    The plan is to crank up the cash shop post launch - only a matter of when. 

    Remember black desert - they promised the same shit - started out pretty fair, look at the P2W now 

    ...aaaand another thread successfully being derailed by Kano.
    Any type of constructive conversation about the game once again being masterfully diverted into discussing the possibility of "Bad Gamigo MAY make AAU P2W sometime in the future".
    There's a dishonesty in what Kano writes about AAU because if he indeed has that "insider industry info" then he knows that THIS specific relaunch NOT the other 3 HE tried to sell to us caters to a different demographic of gamers similar to WoW classic. The other relaunches were ftp which main source of income is WHALES and a large portion of the playerbase is made up of ENTIRELY ftp players meaning players who do not spend a damn penny. There are some players who drop small amounts of money but they make up a smaller % compared to the other 2. The player who starts off buying a product to play(btp) is more inclined to continue support(give more money) even if it is soley on cosmetics like in GW2. That model along with Albion which started as btp and is also another german company is what this game seems to be modeling its monetization after. IF they make enough money on their passes and cosmetics and that is a big IF I don't see any reason for them to add p2w but don't entirely doubt they won't. Compared to mobile games that ask players for $99.99 like it's lunch money any p2w in PC games is a very obvious whale hunt and usually puts off the certain type of PC gamer who will be in AAU so it would be a fools move by Gamigo IMO.

    I don't doubt the temptation to add p2w will be there for the developers and will be a constant battle but only time will tell if they give in. If we don't buy the game and they don't make what they'd hoped on btp + cosmetics alone it may go down that p2w road so by not supporting initially we may be the cause of what we don't want to happen. I chose to buy 3 packs for $75 total and if they add p2w so what no big deal I'll just stop playing cause it's just a damn game.
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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 17,858
    edited September 2019
    Except one big problem...

    Redemption is nice if your actually trying to convince people about some NEW product and are doing the RIGHT thing<<<,morals.

    This is NOT the case,XL is just saying,well screw you past patrons,that was not our business ,so we don't care.They most certainly DO NOT care.

    Now an example of redemption would be let's say you went to a UFC event and it was crap,fights cancelled all around a horrible show.OK so Dana White says,you know what i agree that was bad,all those who paid for that event get 50% the next event of your choosing.Or he could offer other choices like  would you rather some UFC merchandise or some other way to say "i am sorry".

    Here is another thought.When you buy something,you assume the debt if any owed,this is across the board.If debt owned on a car,you assume it,if debt owed on a house ,you assume it.What XP is doing is similar to a lot else going on in the gaming industry,undermining the law by changing a few simple words.
    So change the title,CLAIM a different game,re brand any little scummy thing you can do to resell the same product,an ATTEMPT to screw over past purchasers or all those who invested money into the game.

    This would be like if i was buying a car and didn't want to assume the debt,i could just change the name of the car,put some different seats inside,paint it a different color and say...oh this is not the same car so i don't have to assume the debt owed.

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  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    DMKano said:
    People who are betting in favor of Archeage have:

    a) Never played it and like gambling on long shots
    b) Are Opie from Family Guy

    With that said, DMKano was making all types of excuses for Trino when they were allowing or unable to do anything about the extra grimey P2W garbage on their watch, and seems to be extra critical of the next slumlords who own the property now.

    That tells me if Trino was running the show pom poms might be out right now.



    You'd be wrong.

    Trion was a shite company that was more focused on short term $$$$ by gouging players than anything else.

    The only time Trion did anything respectable was Rift launch and 6 months after that. 

    Defiance, End of Nations, were colossal failures.

    Cash shop model - greed turned to max.

    It took me a while to wake up, but once I did there is no denying how shitty Trion was for the last 6+ years.

    The contract they agreed to and signed with XL that was basically "let's rape players with the cash shop" - is an abomination. 



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  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 7,140
    mcrippins said:
    Torval said:
    Herithius said:
    What's the worst case here? That the cash shop goes p2w in 6 months? If that means 6 months of a great sandbox experience for $25 then sign me up.
    Worst case scenario is that it takes 6 months, not 6 days or weeks, for this to turn into a shit show. By then we'll have forgotten all the people who didn't mind throwing their money away raging at Gamigo for getting shafted..... again. again. again.

    It used to not be funny to watch people repeatedly make the same bad choices with their money. Now it is kind of funny when you know they know it's a mistake. The funny part is when they defend a bad actor like Gamigo or pretend they're not going to get burnt.

    6 months is a long time to wait for those threads. :lol:
    give then 3 months give or take we will see these posts
    ..And what if this doesn't happen? What if 3, 6, 12 months go by, and the game is not P2W? Then what? What about those people you convinced not to play a decent game? Oh well, right? 
    Statistically speaking, anything can happen. Question is, would you rather see hundreds of people throw money down the drain or hundreds of people miss out on the best feature heavy MMO because XL Games and Gamigo aren't confident enough in the product to remove the cash shop.

  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,380
    Rhoklaw said:
    mcrippins said:
    Torval said:
    Herithius said:
    What's the worst case here? That the cash shop goes p2w in 6 months? If that means 6 months of a great sandbox experience for $25 then sign me up.
    Worst case scenario is that it takes 6 months, not 6 days or weeks, for this to turn into a shit show. By then we'll have forgotten all the people who didn't mind throwing their money away raging at Gamigo for getting shafted..... again. again. again.

    It used to not be funny to watch people repeatedly make the same bad choices with their money. Now it is kind of funny when you know they know it's a mistake. The funny part is when they defend a bad actor like Gamigo or pretend they're not going to get burnt.

    6 months is a long time to wait for those threads. :lol:
    give then 3 months give or take we will see these posts
    ..And what if this doesn't happen? What if 3, 6, 12 months go by, and the game is not P2W? Then what? What about those people you convinced not to play a decent game? Oh well, right? 
    Statistically speaking, anything can happen. Question is, would you rather see hundreds of people throw money down the drain or hundreds of people miss out on the best feature heavy MMO because XL Games and Gamigo aren't confident enough in the product to remove the cash shop.
    actually Statistically speaking, there is a damn huge chance of they adding pay to win elements again in a month or so, I gave 3 months for people to start to cry, some are already saying the packs are already looking p2w

    Statistically speaking anyone who spend money on this game expecting not see p2w element are so screwed

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  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member EpicPosts: 1,897
    Did they say if the $150 I spent in the beginning and subsequent subscription I paid over the first year would get me unchained for free?

     No I didn’t watch it and I won’t. it’s the only question I have that will determine if I play or not. 
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