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NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,634
edited December 2019 in Star Citizen
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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 17,532
    I have never given a game developer any money up front,never given a Twitch streamer any money and never will.
    I don't like freeloaders,people that think they have earned some money coming their way.

    I am not going to babysit people,they have to think for themselves even though MOST cannot do it.
    Before SC was even a pipe dream i had stated that trying to make a space type game in this era will never work,we are not ready to make a solid space game yet.
    Without repeating myself over and over,it simply takes way too much work/effort to pull off a AAA space game,WAY harder than a single world Fantasy game,like about 3-5x harder.

    So if we were to agree that a AAA mmorpg takes  about 6-7 years,how long would a AAA space game take,yep TOO LONG.We need faster tech/modules templates to help speed up development,otherwise all we will ever get is single A/Indie type space games,i have yet to see a AA space game,that is how far away we are.


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  • xD_GamingxD_Gaming Member EpicPosts: 2,499
    edited August 2019
    I'm about to upgrade to Freelancer soon :)  v3.6
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  • xD_GamingxD_Gaming Member EpicPosts: 2,499
    edited August 2019
    This was Free fly week, got to test the Mining vessel. It was awesome ! Love the mining mechanics. v3.5



    As a sci fi nerd, this game is awesome :) 
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,022
    edited August 2019
    I'm thinking for Star Citizens we're going to need a new vernacular, perhaps "drunk loss fallacy" which is sort of like waking up the next morning after a drunken bender and recoiling in horror at what you've found sleeping in the bed with you.

    Err, not that it's ever happened to me or anything....

    :D

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  • VrikaVrika Member EpicPosts: 6,300
    edited August 2019
    For games like Star Citizen, there's also the "grass in greener on the other side" -fallacy.

    People always overestimate things that they eagerly want to do. The crowdfunding business, and to large extend early access games business, takes advantage of this by selling us a future that we overestimate instead of the present that we'd be able to judge more accurately.
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  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 6,977
    I'm still trying to figure out if the whole taking a crap in space was an actual mechanic.
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  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    Vrika said:
    For games like Star Citizen, there's also the "grass in greener on the other side" -fallacy.

    People always overestimate things that they eagerly want to do. The crowdfunding business, and to large extend early access games business, takes advantage of this by selling us a future that we overestimate instead of the present that we'd be able to judge more accurately.
    Don't think the entire $200M+ raised though will cover a single year's salary for Activision-Blizzard and EA's C-level salaries. Maybe just I haven't checked exactly but since at least one is over $40M ......

    Puts things into perspective!
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  • VrikaVrika Member EpicPosts: 6,300
    edited August 2019
    gervaise1 said:
    Vrika said:
    For games like Star Citizen, there's also the "grass in greener on the other side" -fallacy.

    People always overestimate things that they eagerly want to do. The crowdfunding business, and to large extend early access games business, takes advantage of this by selling us a future that we overestimate instead of the present that we'd be able to judge more accurately.
    Don't think the entire $200M+ raised though will cover a single year's salary for Activision-Blizzard and EA's C-level salaries. Maybe just I haven't checked exactly but since at least one is over $40M ......

    Puts things into perspective!
    You're trying to put things into perspective by posting unrelated matters?
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  • BabuinixBabuinix Member EpicPosts: 2,871
    I'm about to upgrade to Freelancer soon :)  v3.6
    It's a great money making ship. I went with the cutlass myself  :)
    xD_Gaming
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,022
    edited August 2019
    Babuinix said:
    I'm about to upgrade to Freelancer soon :)  v3.6
    It's a great money making ship. I went with the cutlass myself  :)
    Will be great when they let you retain the money you make,  not there yet though.

    ;)
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  • postofficetcuppostofficetcup Member UncommonPosts: 80
    Follow in the footsteps of others or be a pioneer. Don't be a Derek Smart y'all. 
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  • BabuinixBabuinix Member EpicPosts: 2,871
    edited August 2019
    Kyleran said:
    Babuinix said:
    I'm about to upgrade to Freelancer soon :)  v3.6
    It's a great money making ship. I went with the cutlass myself  :)
    Will be great when they let you retain the money you make,  not there yet though.

    ;)
    It's already a great ship to do all the available missions. Getting credits is just a bonus.  ;)
    xD_Gaming
  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,634
    Rhoklaw said:
    I'm still trying to figure out if the whole taking a crap in space was an actual mechanic.
    I think space toilets were one of the things taken out. However, you can still take missions to pick up a box of "waste" and bring it back.
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  • xD_GamingxD_Gaming Member EpicPosts: 2,499
    edited August 2019
    Not to be picky, but logically your "sunk cost fallacy" would means that the there is no sunken cost at all because it is a fallacy. 


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    noun
      • LOGIC
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  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,634
    edited August 2019
    Not to be picky, but logically your "sunk cost fallacy" would means that the there is no sunken cost at all because it is a fallacy. 


    fal·la·cy
    /ˈfaləsē/
    noun
      • LOGIC
        a failure in reasoning which renders an argument invalid.
    https://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/03/25/the-sunk-cost-fallacy/

    https://www.behavioraleconomics.com/resources/mini-encyclopedia-of-be/sunk-cost-fallacy/
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  • xD_GamingxD_Gaming Member EpicPosts: 2,499
    I stand by my statement. 
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  • VrikaVrika Member EpicPosts: 6,300
    edited August 2019
    Not to be picky, but logically your "sunk cost fallacy" would means that the there is no sunken cost at all because it is a fallacy. 


    fal·la·cy
    /ˈfaləsē/
    noun
      • LOGIC
        a failure in reasoning which renders an argument invalid.
    Fallacy means that the argument is bad or invalid, not that the premise does not exists.


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  • xD_GamingxD_Gaming Member EpicPosts: 2,499
    Vrika said:
    Not to be picky, but logically your "sunk cost fallacy" would means that the there is no sunken cost at all because it is a fallacy. 


    fal·la·cy
    /ˈfaləsē/
    noun
      • LOGIC
        a failure in reasoning which renders an argument invalid.
    Fallacy means that the argument is bad or invalid, not that the premise does not exists.


    I put the definition there, not a personal comprehensive version of the word. 
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  • BabuinixBabuinix Member EpicPosts: 2,871
    Yet the Avenger Titan is still the best bang4buck of the starter ships!



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  • VrikaVrika Member EpicPosts: 6,300
    Vrika said:
    Not to be picky, but logically your "sunk cost fallacy" would means that the there is no sunken cost at all because it is a fallacy. 


    fal·la·cy
    /ˈfaləsē/
    noun
      • LOGIC
        a failure in reasoning which renders an argument invalid.
    Fallacy means that the argument is bad or invalid, not that the premise does not exists.


    I put the definition there, not a personal comprehensive version of the word. 
    You put the definition but you're misunderstand the logic.

    Sunk costs mean the investment you have already made. In Star Citizen's case it's the game and the ships you have bought.

    Sunk costs fallacy means you'd make a failure in reasoning because you are invested in Star Citizen. It does not mean your Star Citizen ships would cease to exists if you use bad logic.

     
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  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member EpicPosts: 7,269
    edited August 2019
    I have sunk my cost by having played the game as it progressed and progresses for many hours now doing all sorts of things. :+1:
     
    I have  had fun with many unfinished games as SC is one (what has been quite the trend in the industry for quite the years already), and I think everyone buys games for entertainment so if the unfinished game is capable to provide me with that, then for me there is no "sunken cost", I haven't lost any money.

    I think I have felt I lost money more times when I bought finished games than unfinished ones O_o

    Rhoklaw said:
    I'm still trying to figure out if the whole taking a crap in space was an actual mechanic.
    Was not really, it's just as part of what SC is stuff is interactable and has to make sense, hence a toilet to be interacted with will have animation/etc, if I am correct there is some simple stuff that requires you to say take a shower or you'll look dirty over time, eat, etc... It's superficial stuff.
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  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,634
    edited August 2019
    You say that, and yet . . . .


    Is it though?

    The whole reason I bought into SC was taken out of the game.

    They still don't have their core engine sorted at this point. Many of the game mechanics that they are selling the game on, do not exist all these years later.

    People are waiting on the information in regards to the, for example: 

    >ship they purchased 5 years ago not being in game

    >or game mechanics such as spindles, ship modules, hiring NPCs as crew memebers, etc

    >data running

    >gas harvesting

    >repairing your own ship

    >loading cargo instead of using magic

    >they haven't finished even 1 of the 100 systems they sold the game to having

    Instead we are showed production videos of water in drinking glass physics, space toilets, and webcasts discussing possible colors of fire.

    >Ironman 3 released when Star Citizen went into development.

    >They had to end refunds (if it's so good then why?).

    Some people believe this will never release. Some believe that it will release as a Minimum Viable Product, others believe that this game tech is being developed in modules so the tech easier to sell off pieces at a time.

    >The rate of new backers has slowed down.

    >The rate of funding has slowed down.

    >A private investor bought part of the company.

    All of these examples are legitimate and have gone unanswered for the individual backer. At some point, people are going to say, "wait a minute".

    You can't hold that against people. It's not their fault.

    The solution is to tell CIG to do something about it. But, as we all know, the "fans" attack anyone not blindly praising CIG. Which is another turn-off to some of us.


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  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member EpicPosts: 7,269
    edited August 2019
    NorseGod said:
    >The rate of funding has slowed down.


    Slowing down? Past years the first half of the year went as low as under a million for a month, this year only 1 month is under 2 million with 1.7million and multiple over 3million a month in funding. It likely is one of the best if not the best first half year in funding for the company.


    NorseGod said:

    The solution is to tell CIG to do something about it. But, as we all know, the "fans" attack anyone not blindly praising CIG. Which is another turn-off to some of us.


    This is such typical hater hypebole, the community very much calls CIG out when they feel stuff is wrong, and usually force reactions from their side, this has happened many times. A community you are not apart of because you isolated yourself into a corner with your type of narrative that is obviously not accepted neither there, neither or any MMO community I have participated, the word for it is just hater, your post history shows it. Just in it for the confrontation.
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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 8,966
    Alphas tend to be all over the place and often what is pitched seldom gets delivered that way but a lot of the things I was looking forward to have also been taken out or put on a back burner.  So I just leave it alone until the dust settles and the bugs get taken more seriously.  
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  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,634
    edited December 2019
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