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Who spends more $ the Pvp'ers or Pve'ers?

JemcrystalJemcrystal Member UncommonPosts: 1,940
Got in a debate on Steam who contributed more to forums, game, and moneys to ASE (playing Ark Survival atm).  Figure the game wigs care most about monay.  So who gives more to mmorpg's?  The pvp crowd or the pve crowd?  Not who plays the most, but which invests the most money?

Someone is going to say but what about pvpve?  Or those of us who do both pvp and pve?  You don't count in this estimation.  This is about the diehards at war for which is best; pvp or pve.


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  • Superman0XSuperman0X Member RarePosts: 2,223
    On an individual level PvP players are more extreme spenders.
    On a global level, PvE players spend more, as there is a lot more of them.
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  • anemoanemo Member RarePosts: 1,901
    In American markets PvE players are bigger spenders.  Though that's in older games that focused on a mix of player types achiever/explorer/socializer/killer.  In newer games most companies lock that data down far more.

    In Chinese games PvP players are absurd spenders on things like public rankings and similar (maybe technically PvE achievers if you wish to argue that).  Likewise the devs of such games are willing to turn on/off mechanics like open world PvP on anything from individual/guild/server wide based on who is being obnoxious.  (Chinese companies still love to brag about their whales, though I imagine that'll change eventually).

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  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,634
    I wish those big spending pve players would join my groups, because all I'm seeing is undergeared, trash casuals. lol
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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 8,968
    NorseGod said:
    I wish those big spending pve players would join my groups, because all I'm seeing is undergeared, trash casuals. lol
    Hey! I represent that remark!!!  :)
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  • Panther2103Panther2103 Member EpicPosts: 5,606
    I think it depends on the game. If it's a PvP focused game obviously people who are PvPers are going to spend more than the PvE players. If it's a PvE focused game it will be the opposite.
  • BitterbonesBitterbones Newbie CommonPosts: 8
    I think it comes down to being obsessed and 'hardcore' which isn't really exclusive to either category.

    My best guess is that $ per player invested is much higher among pvp players.  Pvper's tend to be mostly pretty hardcore and obsessed with victory.  There are far fewer casuals in pvp from what I have seen over the years. 

    There are tons more casuals in PVE imo, so the $ to player ratio plummets in that category.  But the most obsessed 'hardcore' pvers certainly spend on par with the top pvper's.

    In terms of total $ per category (pve vs pvp), I think it would have to be pver's just because of the sheer numbers.
  • krgwynnekrgwynne Member UncommonPosts: 118
    pvpers by far which is why most free games with a cash shop focus mostly on pvp.
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  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,634
    NorseGod said:
    I wish those big spending pve players would join my groups, because all I'm seeing is undergeared, trash casuals. lol
    Hey! I represent that remark!!!  :)

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  • GruntyGrunty Member EpicPosts: 8,657
    Those who are always looking for bragging rights over people who don't do what they do.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 14,922
    Neither. It's the fashionistas.
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  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 3,342
    edited August 2019
    On an individual level PvP players are more extreme spenders.
    On a global level, PvE players spend more, as there is a lot more of them.
    That's about the right of it which is why I often tell pvpers in the elite dangerous forums, that are advocating content to open only to force solo/group players to open, that Fdev should make an open pvp and open pve server and lets see who really pays fdev's bills.

    Regardless to say there's lots of salty tears and gnashing of teeth and mental gymnastic about it by the pvpers...lol

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  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Member EpicPosts: 6,543
    Whichever group is more "cash liquid" and fully believe pixels have a monetary value?
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  • ShaighShaigh Member RarePosts: 2,075
    Hardcore raiders were extremely high up on the money buyers list due to the absurdity of consumables back in vanilla wow and early tbc. Nowadays the games with progression PvE doesn't force you to nolife that hard and the games that ask you to pony up cash have more PvP focus.
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  • chukekle1chukekle1 Member UncommonPosts: 33
     Unless the game is pay 2 win PvEers will always spend more cause the majority of cash shop stuff is cosmetics, anytime you can buy gear in a cash shop it is a pay 2 win game.
  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member LegendaryPosts: 7,429
    edited August 2019
    Well, PvPers only spend money if they are allowed via a cash shop, which more often than not contain P2W elements. PvP is driven solely by competition, so much so, that players, even professionals have been caught cheating. Gaming companies take advantage of that childish human flaw and they do it so well.

    As for PvE players, gaming companies make money off them from loyalty. They provide them with PvE content and players happily grind, however slow to reach that endgame content. As someone already pointed out, there are A LOT more PvE players than PvP.

    I enjoy both PvP and PvE, but I find too many PvP games to fail at providing a fair and balanced game, so I tend to avoid them like the plague.

    Conclusion, PvP cash shop games generate a lot of money very quickly. PvE games earn money through long term subscription loyalty.

    So ask yourself this. Who has earned more money since 2004. World of Warcraft or every PvP focused MMO, BR, FPS and MOBA game combined?

  • QQMorePleaseQQMorePlease Member UncommonPosts: 39
    No real PvP game worth its salt is going to offer any pay2win mechanics outside of the PvE realm...its all cosmetic
  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,634
    Iselin said:
    Neither. It's the fashionistas.
    I didn't realize how "serous business" this was for gamers until just a few years ago.
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  • ColonizerJColonizerJ Newbie CommonPosts: 14
    I'd go with PVP players. Only way to beat the *skilled* PVP'ers is through gear. :wink:
  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,297
    edited August 2019
    Depends on the game. In Neverwinter/ArcheAge/BDO, the PvPers.. in GW2/ESO/SWTOR, the PvEers.
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  • AAAMEOWAAAMEOW Member RarePosts: 1,371
    Probably pvers, because most pvpers playing mmorpg also pve.  
  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 10,289
    Hardcore pvpr who has also been an elite pver. Now a days I’m far more PvP focused. The only game I’ve spent money in is planetside 2, maybe 70-80$. I gained no advantage what so ever, I did gain variety and new options tho.
  • sbobet_fyisbobet_fyi Newbie CommonPosts: 1
    wowww
  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,472
    the ones who spend big are the whales, if a game offer both pvp and pve, the top pve spenders are also the top pvp spenders, I don't ever remember someone being the top of one not being the top of the other
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  • fcweddfcwedd Member UncommonPosts: 196
    If I had to guess, I would say that PvE players spend more money. They seem to be the more of the "collector" type. I'm sure they soak up most of the cash shop cosmetics (costumes, mounts, etc). Generally, PvE players are more mature and most likely have much more disposable income than PvP players.
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