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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,865
    If you have a copy can you send it on to these Crowdfunding devs?  
    ...apparently I do not have one but you have enough experience in armchair development to write one yourself.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,366
    Gdemami said:
    If you have a copy can you send it on to these Crowdfunding devs?  
    ...apparently I do not have one but you have enough experience in armchair development to write one yourself.
    True.  I’ll try to find the time.  There is an obvious need for such a common sense book.  Maybe I can Kickstart it...

    Good idea.  Thanks!
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  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,641
    edited August 2019
    Hatefull said:
    Gdemami said:
    Sovrath said:
    Isn't the actual difference between alpha and beta
    No.

    The only difference is that Beta comes after Alpha. That is all there is to those designations.
    False. @Sovrath is correct. 

    Alpha is still systems development, in beta, all systems are more or less complete it's just tweaking and making sure they work together.
    In product manufacturing alpha means the core concept of the product can still be changed to something else, just like it target demographic, functions and such.

    Beta is a phase, after that, in which what the product will be, it's core functions and values, is already decided so now it's just a matter to "fit" it on it's place - chosing materials, shapes and sizes, extra features and so on.

    I don't see why in gaming industry it would be different. Once the core features are set in stone it leaves alpha and start beta to check where the game's mechanics and features will support the core vision of the product.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,366
    edited August 2019
    Gdemami said:
    True.  I’ll try to find the time.  There is an obvious need for such a common sense book.  Maybe I can Kickstart it...

    Good idea.  Thanks!
    [mod edit]
    Have we sunk to the “I know you are.  What am I?” part of the discussion already?

    On a serious note.  I think your sarcasm actually spawned a great idea.   I think The Armchair Developer’s Common Sense Guide to Game Development “ would make a perfect vehicle for Kickstarter.

    Wonder if some of these Crowdfunded devs would kick in for Lessons Learned chapters?


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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,638
    Gdemami said:
    True.  I’ll try to find the time.  There is an obvious need for such a common sense book.  Maybe I can Kickstart it...

    Good idea.  Thanks!
    Yeah, go ahead, there is never enough people to laugh at that make fools of themselves...
    Have we sunk to the “I know you are.  What am I?” part of the discussion already?

    On a serious note.  I think your sarcasm actually spawned a great idea.   I think The Armchair Developer’s Common Sense Guide to Game Development “ would make a perfect vehicle for Kickstarter.

    Wonder if some of these Crowdfunded devs would kick in for Lessons Learned chapters?


    If you wrote it as a sort of lampoon of forums and video game players then you wouldn't need them.

    It's sort of like that "joke" book, "How to Lose a Guy in 10 days." Was just a joke but one that was funny enough for me to get it for a friend as she was sort of the poster child for its contents. Others saw the humor and yadda, yadda, yadda, it spawned a movie.

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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,865
    edited August 2019
    Sovrath said:
    It's sort of like that "joke" book, "How to Lose a Guy in 10 days."
    ...except this ain't any "joke".
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 34,852
    edited August 2019
    Gdemami said:
    Hatefull said:
    Alpha is still systems development, in beta, all systems are more or less complete it's just tweaking and making sure they work together.
    ...armchair dev manual quote. 

    If you have a copy can you send it on to these Crowdfunding devs?  Seems they all could use a dose of common sense.  Also, please highlight chapter 2: Gantt Charts, Their Uses and Limitations.

    I found it most useful.
    Chapter 6: "Promised Delivery Dates are for Suckers" is also very enlightening.

    ;)


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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 34,852
    edited August 2019
    Gdemami said:
    Sovrath said:
    It's sort of like that "joke" book, "How to Lose a Guy in 10 days."
    ...except this ain't any "joke".
    True. With hundreds of millions of crowd funding dollars committed it certainly is no laughing matter, especially if these folks never actually deliver. 

    As the Joker would say, "Why aren't you laughing?" (From the Killing Joke)




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  • AxxarAxxar Member UncommonPosts: 91
    Meh, wake me up when the game releases. Naxxramas will probably have been cleared in Classic WoW by then.

    I pledged $35 IIRC, and fortunately decided early on not to spend a lot of time actively following this game. I just look it up every few months and every time find it’s still got a long way to go.

    Like the ideas behind the game, though.
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  • AlomarAlomar Member RarePosts: 1,202
    Wow, we still have people saying/asking this years later eh? MJ/City State Entertainment have been VERY clear their vision of a Beta aligns more closely with original mmo beta testing, which was done much earlier in development and involved a game needing more than a little polish and balance. Rather than the modern interpretation of Beta which has been used a pre-launch/early access cash grab maneuver for unfinished games.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,366
    Alomar said:
    Wow, we still have people saying/asking this years later eh? MJ/City State Entertainment have been VERY clear their vision of a Beta aligns more closely with original mmo beta testing, which was done much earlier in development and involved a game needing more than a little polish and balance. Rather than the modern interpretation of Beta which has been used a pre-launch/early access cash grab maneuver for unfinished games.
    Too bad they adopted the modern definition of "18 months"
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    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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  • tweedledumb99tweedledumb99 Member UncommonPosts: 284
    Alomar said:
    Wow, we still have people saying/asking this years later eh? MJ/City State Entertainment have been VERY clear their vision of a Beta aligns more closely with original mmo beta testing, which was done much earlier in development and involved a game needing more than a little polish and balance. Rather than the modern interpretation of Beta which has been used a pre-launch/early access cash grab maneuver for unfinished games.
    Too bad they adopted the modern definition of "18 months"
    Lol ya. Of all the parts of the game and its development (which I follow closely), the one thing I don't trust their capabilities is in publishing realistic timelines.

    I think the game will be good, within scope, and deliver the gameplay and features they promised with the spirit of the foundational principles being followed.

    Just will keep on taking longer than they say it will, as it has since 2013.

    Axxar said:
    Meh, wake me up when the game releases. Naxxramas will probably have been cleared in Classic WoW by then.

    I pledged $35 IIRC, and fortunately decided early on not to spend a lot of time actively following this game. I just look it up every few months and every time find it’s still got a long way to go.

    Like the ideas behind the game, though.
    Honestly this is the best approach.

    For anyone who cant handle the boring minutiae of the weekly updates, just wait til you hear about it through gaming media or your friends cause they saw something really cool.
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  • MightyUncleanMightyUnclean Member EpicPosts: 2,704
    Alomar said:
    Wow, we still have people saying/asking this years later eh? MJ/City State Entertainment have been VERY clear their vision of a Beta aligns more closely with original mmo beta testing, which was done much earlier in development and involved a game needing more than a little polish and balance. Rather than the modern interpretation of Beta which has been used a pre-launch/early access cash grab maneuver for unfinished games.
    Too bad they adopted the modern definition of "18 months"
    Lol ya. Of all the parts of the game and its development (which I follow closely), the one thing I don't trust their capabilities is in publishing realistic timelines.

    I think the game will be good, within scope, and deliver the gameplay and features they promised with the spirit of the foundational principles being followed.

    Just will keep on taking longer than they say it will, as it has since 2013.

    Axxar said:
    Meh, wake me up when the game releases. Naxxramas will probably have been cleared in Classic WoW by then.

    I pledged $35 IIRC, and fortunately decided early on not to spend a lot of time actively following this game. I just look it up every few months and every time find it’s still got a long way to go.

    Like the ideas behind the game, though.
    Honestly this is the best approach.

    For anyone who cant handle the boring minutiae of the weekly updates, just wait til you hear about it through gaming media or your friends cause they saw something really cool.
    That's the problem.  I've been waiting for six years for someone to tell me, media or otherwise, that they saw something really cool.  Six years in and it's still a hodge podge of basic systems.
  • esc-joconnoresc-joconnor Member RarePosts: 1,096
    edited August 2019
    mcrippins said:
    If you've really been gaming and beta testing since the 90s, then you should also know that what passes for alpha/beta these days could be anything. 
    Who the what now? Since when did people stop caring about what words mean? How can you feel that and then come to a place of words and give a shit about what anyone says? What a load of BS. Beta has a definition, so if it doesn't meet those criteria it's something people should have open season to complain about. You like the game? Fine. That doesn't mean they devs can't do anything wrong. 
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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,865
    Nyctelios said:
    I don't see why in gaming industry it would be different.
    ...because building a game is way more variable than manufacturing.

    Proof is in the pudding - if there was more into development stage labes other than consecution, we would not have this discussion.

    Devs put lables on development stages to fit their needs, they don't do development stages to fit the labels.

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  • RoinRoin Member RarePosts: 3,376
    edited August 2019
    mcrippins said:
    Viper482 said:

    The fact they are still in this phase of working out NPC pathfinding is what I am talking about. Nothing that you expect to be complete in a beta is complete in this game.
    Are you a game developer? Just curious to know how credible your opinion actually is. 
    Welcome to the internet. Where everyone is a developer, artist, writer, marketing exec, lawyer, musician, song writer, insider, a friend of an insider, critic, reviewer, programmer, IT specialist, mother, sister, brother, father, and cousin twice removed.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 34,852
    Roin said:
    mcrippins said:
    Viper482 said:

    The fact they are still in this phase of working out NPC pathfinding is what I am talking about. Nothing that you expect to be complete in a beta is complete in this game.
    Are you a game developer? Just curious to know how credible your opinion actually is. 
    Welcome to the internet. Where everyone is a developer, artist, writer, marketing exec, lawyer, musician, song writer, insider, a friend of an insider, critic, reviewer, programmer, IT specialist, mother, sister, brother, father, and cousin twice removed.
    Well don't you all have big comfy armchairs? I do, makes me an expert on practically everything.

    ;)
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  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,263
    edited August 2019
    Gdemami said:
    Hatefull said:
    Alpha is still systems development, in beta, all systems are more or less complete it's just tweaking and making sure they work together.
    ...armchair dev manual quote. 

    No, back when I used to test a lot of games, that is exactly what several developers explained to me. I do not have any first-hand game development experience (much like you) but I at least had this explained to me by several people that do, unlike you.


    Nyctelios said:
    Hatefull said:
    Gdemami said:
    Sovrath said:
    Isn't the actual difference between alpha and beta
    No.

    The only difference is that Beta comes after Alpha. That is all there is to those designations.
    False. @Sovrath is correct. 

    Alpha is still systems development, in beta, all systems are more or less complete it's just tweaking and making sure they work together.
    In product manufacturing alpha means the core concept of the product can still be changed to something else, just like it target demographic, functions and such.

    Beta is a phase, after that, in which what the product will be, it's core functions and values, is already decided so now it's just a matter to "fit" it on it's place - chosing materials, shapes and sizes, extra features and so on.

    I don't see why in gaming industry it would be different. Once the core features are set in stone it leaves alpha and start beta to check where the game's mechanics and features will support the core vision of the product.
    While not as verbose, that is what I was saying. There is no difference between the industries being discussed. We are both trying to educate an arrogant fool and wasting our time. The person in question only comes here to troll and should not be taken seriously.

    Although, the book idea could be a really good one.
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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,865
    edited August 2019
    Hatefull said:
    No
    Yes. You are just parroting something you lack comprehension of.

    There is not even a point arguing this, it is very much a fact that what is labeled as Alpha or Beta differs from developer to developer - this very thread is a prime example.
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  • tweedledumb99tweedledumb99 Member UncommonPosts: 284
    edited August 2019
    Alomar said:
    Wow, we still have people saying/asking this years later eh? MJ/City State Entertainment have been VERY clear their vision of a Beta aligns more closely with original mmo beta testing, which was done much earlier in development and involved a game needing more than a little polish and balance. Rather than the modern interpretation of Beta which has been used a pre-launch/early access cash grab maneuver for unfinished games.
    Too bad they adopted the modern definition of "18 months"
    Lol ya. Of all the parts of the game and its development (which I follow closely), the one thing I don't trust their capabilities is in publishing realistic timelines.

    I think the game will be good, within scope, and deliver the gameplay and features they promised with the spirit of the foundational principles being followed.

    Just will keep on taking longer than they say it will, as it has since 2013.

    Axxar said:
    Meh, wake me up when the game releases. Naxxramas will probably have been cleared in Classic WoW by then.

    I pledged $35 IIRC, and fortunately decided early on not to spend a lot of time actively following this game. I just look it up every few months and every time find it’s still got a long way to go.

    Like the ideas behind the game, though.
    Honestly this is the best approach.

    For anyone who cant handle the boring minutiae of the weekly updates, just wait til you hear about it through gaming media or your friends cause they saw something really cool.
    That's the problem.  I've been waiting for six years for someone to tell me, media or otherwise, that they saw something really cool.  Six years in and it's still a hodge podge of basic systems.
    Oh ok, well: i saw something really cool. Big battles with lots of vfx and many characters rendered and good fps, with some amount of rubber banding which needs to be fixed. But still really cool.

    And i saw building destruction, buildings crumbling into small pieces block by block and rubble crushing players real time. Networked too, so not like medieval siege engineers.
  • Viper482Viper482 Member EpicPosts: 2,827
    Gdemami said:
    meddyck said:
    In hindsight it was a mistake for this stage of development to be called "Beta 1" instead of "Alpha 2." The latter more accurately describes it.
    ...you remind me of people calling F2P not being "FREE" because you can spend money in the game.

    That's a bullshit analogy and you are straw-manning the conversation. No one is complaining they cannot play the game they put money up for, that is absurd for you to even imply. I appreciate honest communication. They missed beta targets several times and were taking heat for how far behind they were, so they just caved and called it beta knowing damn well it wasn't. Once again, I put up $100 for this game to back it, so if I want to complain I really don't give a damn if you or anyone else doesn't like it.
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  • Viper482Viper482 Member EpicPosts: 2,827
    edited August 2019
    Gdemami said:
    Hatefull said:
    Alpha is still systems development, in beta, all systems are more or less complete it's just tweaking and making sure they work together.
    ...armchair dev manual quote. 


    Okay genius....here is the latest update on the game....speaks for itself.
    1. WIP - Tech - NavMesh:  Lee continued on his quest to bring pathing to the game via the NavMesh. Mark showed this off earlier in the week, following through with our promise that our NPCs would not remain dumb as rocks. This week, Lee worked on 3D-ification of the NavMesh/pathplanner to handle pathing on surfaces above other surfaces, such as ramparts and stairs. He also doubled the speed of the vertex welder (part of the mesh simplifier system) and improved/fixed the algorithm for obstacle detection for the NavMesh, adding data for heights to the obstacles. 
    2. Tech - Gameplay: Matt and Christina added support for items that react when a player collides with them. This should be the first step in getting traps into the game.
    3. WIP - Tech - Servers - Linuxification: Andrew has made a lot of progress on the Linuxification front. He has got all the projects rebuilt through user proxies, which is one of CU’s biggest scaling points, and is now working on the physics side of things. As a reminder, this work, and the following Linux-related items, will help us cut server costs.
    4. WIP - Tech - NPC Server Linuxification: Colin worked on converting the NPC server to build for .Net Core. After this is done, it will let us run the NPC server on Linux. This work also gets us closer to running the other .Net servers on Linux, because most of the code he is converting is shared.
    5. WIP - Tech - Servers - Moar Linuxification: This week, Wylie worked to linuxify our low-level utility library. More specifically, he replaced non-standard Microsoft-specific code with C++ standard code wherever possible. In some cases, this meant swapping out functions, and in other cases, this meant creating new functions to the original's specification. 
    6. WIP - Tech - Design Tools: Bull worked on a tool that will make it easier to load and configure data in spreadsheets. Our designers will be able to use this for versioning and rapid iteration.
    7. WIP - Tech - Tools: We’re working on a tool to automate starting and tearing down Shards. We made a web frontend, and are making it smarter about the order in which Instances are started up, waiting for connection to be established, users logged in, server running, etc. An added output with error reporting helps us with troubleshooting.
    8. Art - VFX - Improvements and Templates: Mike continued to adjust existing VFX based off his changes to lighting last week. Additionally, he’s working through new ability types by creating templates that can be used later when the visual look of an ability is more defined.
    9. Art - SFX - Music: This week dB focused on creating sample instruments for new low-intensity music.
    10. WIP - Art - Procedural Materials: Last week, we talked about using a new program to create our own in-house materials. This week, we focused on making these materials more procedural. This will save a lot of time in the future when we want to tweak things like hue, value, grime, dents, etc. because we won’t have to go back to the sculpting phase, instead just moving a few sliders around and making new textures.
    11. Art - Concept - NPCs: This week, we went wide for possible NPCs. This covered a wide gamut of creature types. At this point, we’re investigating different types of characters we could create.
    12. Art - Viking Battering Ram: We finished this guy off, fixing its materials and adding rigging to it, so it can be used as the other two Realm’s versions. This should show up soon in a future build. Now the Viking’s won’t have to use the filthy Arthurian version for testing!
    13. Art - Draugar Movement Set: Sandra and Scott double-teamed this item to get all the walks, runs, idles, and one-handed weapon movement animations done. The next step will be to work on the attack animations!
    14. Art - Animation - Giant Movement Concepts: Scott completed three rough animations of a giant walking forward. Each of these has a very different feel to them. Next step is to pick the one we like the most and build out the rest of the animations for later use.
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  • Viper482Viper482 Member EpicPosts: 2,827
    edited August 2019
    More "beta" notes....these from July. The word "concept" is used six times. 
    1. Tech - Performance: Over the last month, we’ve seen a degradation in performance on the Cherry Keep Stress tests. Andrew turned his attention to the problem this week and exorcised (or exercised, it was tired, needed a good workout!) the problematic code. Performance is actually slightly better now than it was back before the degradation.
    2. WIP - Tech - NPC Behavior: This week, Spidey started working on the messaging framework for NPC behaviors. NPCs will be able to message from the NPC server to the Physics Server and back again, and receive responses to said messaging. This is the root framework required so our NPCs can start reacting to having Line of Sight with their targets, as well as how they will be able to poll the navigation in order to do proper pathfinding.
    3. WIP - Tech - Camera: Spidey also fixed the follow and target cameras so players can move the camera around.
    4. WIP - Tech - Tools: This week, Christina added a bunch of validation tools to our game data. These tools will help us catch errors in a timely manner, making development faster, because we will spend less time tracking down those errors.
    5. WIP - Tech - Trigger Volumes: Caleb has been working on trigger volume tech. We already have this in our ability system, so Caleb’s work will help us bring items like health and blood pools to life.
    6. WIP - Tech - Proxy optimizations: Rob has decreased the bandwidth used to send player information to the client. This should allow us to send more player information to the client per packet, and update them more frequently, smoothing out the client experience in mid-to-large size battles.
    7. Tech - Abilities: Christina added the ability for scripting to add abilities to a player. The bomb item will be using this feature - when it is picked up it adds a "place bomb" ability on your bar, so players can now hit the hotkey and drop the bomb instead of have to unintuitively drop it by swapping weapons.
    8. Tech - World Editor Bugs: Matt continued to assist those using the world editor by tracking down and fixing more bugs that were blocking progress. This was a lengthy investigation that leveled up Matt’s patience score!
    9. WIP - Tech - Server: Following up on Wylie’s work last week, Colin is finishing up the work on converting our server to Linux. This week, he finished the necessary step of removing the C++/CLI code from the game server. The end goal of this work is to reduce server costs.
    10. WIP - Tech - Client Performance: Wylie spent the week investigating some client performance issues we were seeing while running through Cherry Keep. Once he found the problem, he wrote a fix to address it.
    11. WIP - Tech - Tools: Bull is working on a new data architecture that will make all the supporting data needed to run the game branchable, batchable, and backed up in a way that is a lot easier for us to use.
    12. WIP - Tech - Improving Knockback: Matt has recently moved to making knockbacks look and feel better, first by teaching the client how to predict them like it does for particles, projectiles, and other ability effects. This step should improve the latency and rubber banding, but might not send people flying quite the way we want just yet.
    13. Art - Concept - Environments: Again, and some of us will never get tired of saying this, we’ve completed a bunch of cool concepts for environments and props. We’ve got a few artists biting at the bit to make them!
    14. Art - Concept - Draugr Color: Michelle knocked out nine color ideas for last week’s Draugr NPC concepts.
    15. WIP - Art - Material Creation: We’ve begun to improve our ability to create the materials we need for CU by working with Substance Designer, a program that will allow us to more easily make exactly what we need vs. picking from a pre-existing library of materials. This program has quickly become an industry standard for AAA material work. Lots of info about it can be found online.
    16. Art - Animation: Scott prototyped several single-handed weapon attacks with a bit more “oomph” in them, as well as some block animation prototyping with various flinches. We can later use these for more animation variation.
    17. WIP - Art - Animation: Sandra did the animation equivalent of concepting, by blocking out different idle and single direction movement animations, for possible use on NPCs. Once we approve one of the concepts, she’ll turn it into an entire walk and run set for later use.
    18. Art - Animation - Improved Rig and Character Topology Testing: Using models provided by Jon, Joe investigated rigging improvements in Maya as well as external tools that could improve the speed of creating unique skeletons.
    Art - Siege Engine LODs: We finished the LODs for all three battering rams, including the Vikings version. That last one is currently getting set up for animation support. We also added three different base ammunition for each trebuchet. We’ll use these later to investigate why ammo doesn’t show up visually during the firing animation of siege engines.

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  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,641
    edited August 2019
    I was about to write a reply to @Gdemami and I saw the ban avatar...

    The end of an era.... My LOL grind raid boss is gone.... So sad.


    *dances naked over the table.*

    Gdemami said:
    Nyctelios said:
    I don't see why in gaming industry it would be different.
    ...because building a game is way more variable than manufacturing.

    Proof is in the pudding - if there was more into development stage labes other than consecution, we would not have this discussion.

    Devs put lables on development stages to fit their needs, they don't do development stages to fit the labels.

    But I'll reply regardless:

    What he is describing is a "pipeline" or a "method", not phases.

    You can have many types of pipelines, some are better than others to certain projects. You can have a "line methodology" in which phases are one after another in order without looping or feedback or you can have the extreme opposite like "bubble methodology" in which the pipeline is organic, communicate with feedback between each phase/tier of production and can grant a  looping in the development process by allowing the information to flow between the stages and be renewed/changed in every feedback exchange.


    Well... Let me say I study this. It's my field. Sorry if the terms looks weird, I have no idea how some of those terminologies translate to English.
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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,865
    Nyctelios said:
    What he is describing is a "pipeline" or a "method", not phases.
    Same thing.
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