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  • lahnmirlahnmir Member EpicPosts: 2,737
    Ungood said:
    Kyleran said:
    Ungood said:
    lahnmir said:
    Thanks @Ungood and @Slapshot1188 for your explanation. As you both are well aware I am not from the USA, I know about the general rules and regulations, not the finer details. Also thanks for sharing your thoughts without resorting to finger pointing or name calling

    Going from a gun having country to a no gun country is incredibly complex and brings its own issues with it, that I fully understand, this is besides the legal means to do so and the willingness to give up your rights. My actual question is simply why, why do civilians need guns? And the reasons given surprise me.

    I think looking at country and population size is the wrong way to look at it, you need to look at things percentage wise. A much more interesting metric then population size for instance would be population density, and on that the USA rates pretty low. I am from the Netherlands and thats a densily populated country with a huge cultural and ethnical diversity, these aren’t reasons to need guns. We have also been in plenty of wars and have a history about 5x as long as the USA.

    I do however sense a lot of distrust in governing bodies or ‘other’ parties, the idea of needing weapons to resist the government when needed seems ludacris to me, and I am talking about that from the perspective of normal western countries then, not heavily corrupted ones or ones suffering from, say, heavy drug problems.

    In short, the reasons aren’t really valid from where I stand but that is ok, I am not a US citizen. However, when everybody can buy guns and use them people shouldn’t be surprised when they can, and will, also be used by those with worse judgement then you for reasons you, or society, might not agree with. I keep making the same ‘joke’ but if everybody and his dog could easily buy and walk around with a flamethrower, would there be more fire related incidents? And heavy gun regulations and limitations will be a problem for the gun industry and definitely resisted by them, they want to make money after all, they’re in the business of selling as much guns as possible and when looking at the number of fire arms going around they are doing an amazing job. That includes selling the ‘need’ to own a gun.

    But, as has been pointed out, I am just an outsider looking in, I don’t own the truth. I am just bewildered by the reactions to gun violence, everything gets blamed and pointed at, except the murder weapons themselves.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    Well, you can keep making that joke about flamethrowers, I won't stop you, but as you do so, keep in mind in that in America, Flamethrowers count as "Arms" and thus are protected under the 2nd, as such, in America everyone and their dog can buy a flamethrower.. wonder why we don't talk more about that?

    Actually portable flame throwers are consider tools for clearing land, at least that's how they get away with selling them in my state. (Same excuse for fireworks sales btw, for scaring crows or what not)

    That said, buying one is somewhat regulated much as the purchase of bulk quantities of silver nitrate, a person better have 10 acres being farmed or they likely will come under scrutiny. 

    Interestingly enough, there is such a thing as flame thrower shot gun shells which are illegal here, same with shells which fire flechettes, bolos and other crazy ass ordinance.

    We apparently want our killing done the "right way" with high powered armor piercing rounds or something.



    as far as flame throwers go.

    You are thinking something like a "Snap Dragon" or other brand name ground clearer that uses propane to burn crops and control vegetation growth, they also do a good job to heat tar roofs and the like. Those do have a direct civilian purpose, clearing land, construction, etc, and those style of "flamethrowers" are sold everywhere, you can go to Walmart and get those dirt cheap and 20 pounds of propane as well, but you can also buy military grade flamethrowers, even with napalm mixed with the accelerant (Where legal), which is a whole other level of burning shit down.

    You can even buy military surplus flamethrowers, and historic ones that were used in war. 

    As for fireworks, those rules vary by state, but are often regulated by the Fire Commission, due to the risk of causing uncontrolled fires and property damage. IE: They got tired of stupid people setting the neighborhood on fire every 4tjh of july, so a lot of fireworks are in fact limited or controlled. (and this varies by state... a LOT)

    As for the ammunition you are talking about, those are called incendiary rounds, and they are still legal in some states and I think again.. outlawed in others due to the fire hazards they cause and nothing to do with how deadly they are.

    Oversea barbarians, the lot of you. Its a miracle the entire country isn’t going up in flames.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
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  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 2,757
    edited August 12
    lahnmir said:
    Ungood said:
    Kyleran said:
    Actually portable flame throwers are consider tools for clearing land, at least that's how they get away with selling them in my state. (Same excuse for fireworks sales btw, for scaring crows or what not)

    That said, buying one is somewhat regulated much as the purchase of bulk quantities of silver nitrate, a person better have 10 acres being farmed or they likely will come under scrutiny. 

    Interestingly enough, there is such a thing as flame thrower shot gun shells which are illegal here, same with shells which fire flechettes, bolos and other crazy ass ordinance.

    We apparently want our killing done the "right way" with high powered armor piercing rounds or something.



    as far as flame throwers go.

    You are thinking something like a "Snap Dragon" or other brand name ground clearer that uses propane to burn crops and control vegetation growth, they also do a good job to heat tar roofs and the like. Those do have a direct civilian purpose, clearing land, construction, etc, and those style of "flamethrowers" are sold everywhere, you can go to Walmart and get those dirt cheap and 20 pounds of propane as well, but you can also buy military grade flamethrowers, even with napalm mixed with the accelerant (Where legal), which is a whole other level of burning shit down.

    You can even buy military surplus flamethrowers, and historic ones that were used in war. 

    As for fireworks, those rules vary by state, but are often regulated by the Fire Commission, due to the risk of causing uncontrolled fires and property damage. IE: They got tired of stupid people setting the neighborhood on fire every 4tjh of july, so a lot of fireworks are in fact limited or controlled. (and this varies by state... a LOT)

    As for the ammunition you are talking about, those are called incendiary rounds, and they are still legal in some states and I think again.. outlawed in others due to the fire hazards they cause and nothing to do with how deadly they are.

    Oversea barbarians, the lot of you. Its a miracle the entire country isn’t going up in flames.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    Well given we have been involved more wars than anyone else across the world and on our own borders, we kinda discovered that a snarky retort and even rapier wit are a poor substitute for a auctual weapon.. sure the pen might be mightier than the sword. but when SHTF, Americans discovered, yer gonna want a gun on your side.

    Added: 

    Here is the way to figure things.

    If another nation came to subjugate your nation.. what are your options as a citizen? 

    In most nations with gun laws, if your military falls, you fall with it, and you will serve the conquering nations as they demand, or, you might be able to beg for help from someone stronger to save you.

    The second part is where things get funny.. as America for the last whole lot of years.. as been that "someone stronger" (which is kinda funny that we get mocked for being such as well)

    But, to an American, if we fall, we have no one we can seek help from, because if a country can best America, it was crush anyone else like a fly. There is no "Someone Stronger" for America.

    That is kinda a real worry for us.

    So if our Military falls, we are left with a choice, Bend the Knee and Serve the New Masters, or, fight to the death, for however long or short that may be.

    In America we are kind of divided, I mean we have groups that can't fathom such a fate, others that think our power is absolute, even some that are so delusional as to think that we can all just get along, while others that would just serve whoever won, and those that would fight to the death not for their country, but for their freedom.

    I guess to some americans, is better to die on your feet then to serve on your knees.

    But to each their own.. I guess we could be called barbarians for that mentality.. but this country was founded on violence, violence, and a lot more violence.. so.. there is that.. 

  • DrunkWolfDrunkWolf Member RarePosts: 1,604


    No way..... I don’t know if that is awesome or a serious WTF moment tbh. So you can buy those at a lot of places too? A flamethrower counts as arms, do bazookas too then? So many questions, and the answers keep surprising me.

    We don’t talk about flamethrowers more because they are difficult to conceal of course, you can’t put that one under your coat. Or am I going to get a link to a mini portable flamethrower taking care of that “problem” too?

    Fascinating stuff, I’ve been to the USA a couple of times but I have much to learn it seems  ;)

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir

    if i remember right, those sold out rather quick


  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 5,527
    Thane said:
    I don’t think you quite understand how the US Constitution works.  There is no Constitutional Right to play video games.  

    If you think that is absurd then work to amend the Constitution.
    A  few things about the Constitution and the First Amendment are worth pointing out.

    The First Amendment prohibits most government restrictions on free speech. So the United States cannot abridge your freedom of speech (subject to a few exceptions). And whatever state you live in cannot limit it (as all states have a freedom of expression clause in their state constitutions) .

    But Walmart is not the government. They can restrict your speech and their product suppliers' speech if they wish.  

    Also worth noting is that the Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that video games are "art" and are therefore subject to First Amendment protection. Again, that is if the party restricting speech is the government. You can read about that here: https://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/29/arts/video-games/what-supreme-court-ruling-on-video-games-means.html


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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,938
    Amathe said:
    Thane said:
    I don’t think you quite understand how the US Constitution works.  There is no Constitutional Right to play video games.  

    If you think that is absurd then work to amend the Constitution.
    A  few things about the Constitution and the First Amendment are worth pointing out.

    The First Amendment prohibits most government restrictions on free speech. So the United States cannot abridge your freedom of speech (subject to a few exceptions). And whatever state you live in cannot limit it (as all states have a freedom of expression clause in their state constitutions) .

    But Walmart is not the government. They can restrict your speech and their product suppliers' speech if they wish.  

    Also worth noting is that the Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that video games are "art" and are therefore subject to First Amendment protection. Again, that is if the party restricting speech is the government. You can read about that here: https://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/29/arts/video-games/what-supreme-court-ruling-on-video-games-means.html


    Not sure if you were adding to my post or misunderstood it :)  So lets just say I agree with what you posted.  My point was much simpler,  and a direct response to the part that seems to have been cutoff in your post:

    "it's my right to own a gun!!!!!11111elevenelevenelvdwarf"
    but you can be restricted from... buying... games? and we SERIOUSLY need a discussion about that topic?

    I was attempting to point out that one is an actual Right protected in the US Constitution and one is not and that if he felt strongly (and was a citizen) he could work to have it amended to change that.  Walmart, of course, has the right to sell both or neither currently.

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  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member RarePosts: 2,640
    edited August 12
    I need to ask the very simple thing, do anyone here who want to buy a game do so in a walmart?, from experience this big shops when they sell any game they sell the trenty, or the most famous, sure to get out of the shelf games, its not like in back the 90 when you could find a pc game gem selling in a lone dusty shelf in a corner, because hey that was the only way to buy games, nowadays? its not like I bring bussiness to then


    plus guys don't matter if a place is run by idiots, they are free to be idiots, if they don't want to sell, not it will make diference, then don't, I belive they don't sell for another reason, but lets do a PR move and say we care. nothing like a big company lying saying they care, worse is people belive




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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 5,527
    Amathe said:

    Not sure if you were adding to my post or misunderstood it :)  

    Adding to, mostly, with one caveat. If the government forbade Walmart from selling guns and also forbade it from selling video games, both would violate a constitutional right - guns under the Second Amendment and games under the First Amendment. But Walmart, as you point out, can do as it likes and sell both, one, or neither.

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,938
    I need to ask the very simple thing, do anyone here who want to buy a game do so in a walmart?, from experience this big shops when they sell any game they sell the trenty, or the most famous, sure to get out of the shelf games, its not like in back the 90 when you could find a pc game gem selling in a lone dusty shelf in a corner, because hey that was the only way to buy games, nowadays? its not like I bring bussiness to then


    plus guys don't matter if a place is run by idiots, they are free to be idiots, if they don't want to sell, not it will make diference, then don't, I belive they don't sell for another reason, but lets do a PR move and say we care. nothing like a big company lying saying they care, worse is people belive




    Usually, around Black Friday or similar, they have some great deals.  Other than that I do not think I have bought many games there. But I would guess that they sell an enormous number of video games.

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  • LimnicLimnic Member RarePosts: 1,116
    edited August 12
    Ungood said:
    If another nation came to subjugate your nation.. what are your options as a citizen? 
    Just a quick note on nations conquering nations.

    It's more likely for the US to lose out as a world power through economic and/or political instability than it is military might. Honestly, those factors are becoming more probable scenarios in general with the US politics being as much of a polar mess as it is and while the economy grows, it's largely done so in spite of the government which continues to produce more debt.

    Sooner or later, either US needs a major reform, or it gets overtaken by other world powers as well as by major corporations. We already have pushes like that with Facebook and Libra trying to upset the current take on global currency, and China working on a similar goal.

    US politics and population being too preoccupied with power of arms that it neglects the pace at which technology and the global economy is moving will quickly find that power of arms somewhat meaningless if it's status as a world power is lost in other regards.
    laseritUngood
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