Elder Scrolls Online Scalebreaker Launches August, Performance Roadmap Revealed at QuakeCon - MMORPG

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Elder Scrolls Online Scalebreaker Launches August, Performance Roadmap Revealed at QuakeCon - MMORPG.com

The Elder Scrolls Online announced via tweet a pair of August release dates for their Scalebreaker DLC.

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Nanfoodle

Good watch, they really are working on keeping this game on top. I love what they say with optimization of their systems. Load times are killer, not bad enough to stop me from playing lol

Nanfoodle

I do find it funny what people make fun of core parts of a game that's going well and most are raving about. Like combat in ESO. I like old school combat like EQ1, DAoC and soon Pantheon. Of the many twitch MMOs out there, ESO has the best of its kind. Its hard to take anyone seriously when they use the language you use to describe this games combat. At best you could say is ESO combat is not for you.

nolic1

Lots of really good stuff coming with time as always this company stays on track with its release cadence and has not changed it which is great.

Sovrath

Nanfoodle said:

I do find it funny what people make fun of core parts of a game that's going well and most are raving about. Like combat in ESO. I like old school combat like EQ1, DAoC and soon Pantheon. Of the many twitch MMOs out there, ESO has the best of its kind. Its hard to take anyone seriously when they use the language you use to describe this games combat. At best you could say is ESO combat is not for you.

hmmm, I love and prefer "twitch" combat and I don't like Elder Scrolls Online's combat. I don't think it's the best.

Best "I" experienced was Tera. At least for my tastes.

Iselin

Sovrath said:

Nanfoodle said:

I do find it funny what people make fun of core parts of a game that's going well and most are raving about. Like combat in ESO. I like old school combat like EQ1, DAoC and soon Pantheon. Of the many twitch MMOs out there, ESO has the best of its kind. Its hard to take anyone seriously when they use the language you use to describe this games combat. At best you could say is ESO combat is not for you.

hmmm, I love and prefer "twitch" combat and I don't like Elder Scrolls Online's combat. I don't think it's the best.

Best "I" experienced was Tera. At least for my tastes.

Yeah but does it suck lower primate ass?

Deadrites87

I'll believe it when I see it. They have been promising performance and server fixes since the game launched.

Nanfoodle

Sovrath said:

Nanfoodle said:

I do find it funny what people make fun of core parts of a game that's going well and most are raving about. Like combat in ESO. I like old school combat like EQ1, DAoC and soon Pantheon. Of the many twitch MMOs out there, ESO has the best of its kind. Its hard to take anyone seriously when they use the language you use to describe this games combat. At best you could say is ESO combat is not for you.

hmmm, I love and prefer "twitch" combat and I don't like Elder Scrolls Online's combat. I don't think it's the best.

Best "I" experienced was Tera. At least for my tastes.

Then you look at the population of the game. And that changes that to personal perspective. I find Tera's combat slow and chunky, again my perspective. But... Of the PvP/PvE games, what game is on the rise? What ones are on the decline? Whats best changes day by day.

Iselin

Deadrites87 said:

I'll believe it when I see it. They have been promising performance and server fixes since the game launched.

I almost posted the same thing. They made a huge deal out of the multi-core performance improvements that came at the same time as Summerset and the performance was actually worse for months after. In the end, after they fixed all the new glitches they introduced, it had zero impact overall.

Alomar

Honestly, a lot of those "roadmap issues" have been present since I first beta tested the game 6 years ago. I dealt with them for 5 years post-launch while reskinning pixels for their cash shop and tiny instanced area dlc's were their priority. So, I neither trust nor expect that any of that will be fixed. Even if it was, partially, that's not good enough for me as a costumer.

BruceYee

ESO discovered IMO the winning formula for monetization for PC MMO. Many different ways to pay and no one, not a single person gets a free ride.
The crafting bag locked into ESO plus is to me still their biggest decision mistake cause even after spending hundreds or thousands on crown crates I can't buy the bag outright and am forced to pay another 15 bucks to not run back to my chests every so often to drop off mats. I'm sure there are many people who would pay $100 or more to permanently unlock that crafting bag just for the convenience. "The bag is why most people get ESO Plus", I know, but how about putting something else of value behind the monthly membership like worthwhile exclusive cosmetics(see Albion for a good example) or a new currency that's used to buy crown crate worthy exclusive items in the shop only available to plus members that aren't cheap looking little statues almost not even worth pressing E to collect.

The DLC + expansion release speed and pricing is the real keeper of it all though in how it doesn't really screw you from enjoying the game if you don't own every single one. Imagine if the rumors are true and they are making a Game of Thrones MMO that model would be perfect to sell all the specific regions of westeros and beyond. Heck, they could even do a Harry Potter MMO in the future and just copy that same formula over and over and cater to different groups of people only interested in playing their favorite IP's. IMO Elder Scrolls IP is not the strongest IP in the fantasy realm which is what to me has really prevented that WoW like success from ever hitting and triggering a clone war like WoW. The beautifully designed world, housing, cosmetics, long but fun character progression etc all top quality stuff that is so good it should be reskinned and used over and over again for many different IP's.

Scellow

they used Hero Engine, shitty game engine for MMO, no wonder why combat/performance sucks

Iselin

Alomar said:

Honestly, a lot of those "roadmap issues" have been present since I first beta tested the game 6 years ago. I dealt with them for 5 years post-launch while reskinning pixels for their cash shop and tiny instanced area dlc's were their priority. So, I neither trust nor expect that any of that will be fixed. Even if it was, partially, that's not good enough for me as a costumer.

Hey you can't make fun of the re-skinned pixels and then declare yourself to be a costumer

Sovrath

Nanfoodle said:

Sovrath said:

Nanfoodle said:

I do find it funny what people make fun of core parts of a game that's going well and most are raving about. Like combat in ESO. I like old school combat like EQ1, DAoC and soon Pantheon. Of the many twitch MMOs out there, ESO has the best of its kind. Its hard to take anyone seriously when they use the language you use to describe this games combat. At best you could say is ESO combat is not for you.

hmmm, I love and prefer "twitch" combat and I don't like Elder Scrolls Online's combat. I don't think it's the best.

Best "I" experienced was Tera. At least for my tastes.

Then you look at the population of the game. And that changes that to personal perspective. I find Tera's combat slow and chunky, again my perspective. But... Of the PvP/PvE games, what game is on the rise? What ones are on the decline? Whats best changes day by day.

Well, that goes back to quantity doesn't equal quality. But then that also goes back to personal preference. So again, Tera's is significantly better to my taste. I prefer slower combat, I don't like the slidey running around hither and thither combat. I should add that Mount and Blade combat is what I think combat "should" be or any of the games that come close to that style.

As far as "popular" Elder Scrolls Online has a significant IP behind it so of course it's going to be more popular. Whether the PvP is driving that as opposed to the PvE side should be questioned. 

Also flipping keeps as opposed to the Lineage 2 way of Keeping Keeps is preferable from where I sit. Otherwise it's just back and forth, back and forth and "sigh" how boring.

Warlyx

TESO is adding content at fast pace , they released a expansion this year now a DLC , and another one before next year ...

Raquis

Deyirn said:

Nanfoodle said:

Good watch, they really are working on keeping this game on top. I love what they play with optimization of their systems. Load times are killer, not bad enough to stop me from playing lol

But the combat sucks monkey ass and this killed it for me completely. Now I can't touch this game anymore nor do I intend to.

FFXIV combat is very nice i would have like that in ESO more crazy flashy move sets.

JeroKane

Scellow said:

they used Hero Engine, shitty game engine for MMO, no wonder why combat/performance sucks

ESO doesn't use the Hero Engine.

SWTOR does and it shitty in SWTOR, because they used a beta version of the Engine at that time and modified it so heavily they couldn't receive updates and new releases from Hero Engine. So the fault was all on EA/Bioware for using a Beta version of a game engine and then modifying it so heavily they lost support.

Wedlen

ESO combat feels off. There is just something about it that i dont enjoy at all. Its clunky or i dunno very hard toi explain but i literally like every single otehr MMO combat over ESO combat. However ESO game itself is one of the best MMOS ever made. Too bad the combat and spell system lacks big time

Ralther

Is Animation Cancelling still a thing? I would love to get back to this amazing world but the ONLY thing that I hated about this game is the animation cancelling trying to maximize your damage output with weaving light and heavy attacks... ugh...

skeaser

Wedlen said:

ESO combat feels off. There is just something about it that i dont enjoy at all. Its clunky or i dunno very hard toi explain but i literally like every single otehr MMO combat over ESO combat. However ESO game itself is one of the best MMOS ever made. Too bad the combat and spell system lacks big time

This is why I can't stick with it. I can't really say what it is but the combat just feels...meh

Xarko

Ralther said:

Is Animation Cancelling still a thing? I would love to get back to this amazing world but the ONLY thing that I hated about this game is the animation cancelling trying to maximize your damage output with weaving light and heavy attacks... ugh...

I doubt that will ever change, since there are some abilities that count on you weaving light attacks. It's a feature.

MrNylon

skeaser said:

Wedlen said:

ESO combat feels off. There is just something about it that i dont enjoy at all. Its clunky or i dunno very hard toi explain but i literally like every single otehr MMO combat over ESO combat. However ESO game itself is one of the best MMOS ever made. Too bad the combat and spell system lacks big time

This is why I can't stick with it. I can't really say what it is but the combat just feels...meh

For me the game is just too damn easy, granted you can say that about almost any mmos today sadly, the challenge is just not there for me so I dropped it but props to them for not giving up on the game.

azarhal

JeroKane said:

Scellow said:

they used Hero Engine, shitty game engine for MMO, no wonder why combat/performance sucks

ESO doesn't use the Hero Engine.



SWTOR does and it shitty in SWTOR, because they used a beta version of the Engine at that time and modified it so heavily they couldn't receive updates and new releases from Hero Engine. So the fault was all on EA/Bioware for using a Beta version of a game engine and then modifying it so heavily they lost support.

I reinstalled ESO this weekend and a splash screen saying "Powered by the Hero Engine" still showed up during the installation as it has done every time I installed the game since closed beta (which is about once a year). It would have been removed if it didn't use it (as no company wants to promote another company for no reason). This is just another case of Zenimax lying to gamers to save face (the "Creation Engine" being a totally new engine because they rebranded the old engine is another example of that).

By the way, ESO current performances are worst than SWTOR (which I still play too) in those aspects: server stability, frame per seconds, loading times. And the problem is not the Hero Engine, as the game performances have been degrading year after year since closed beta with each new memory leak Zenimax add to the game and fails to fix.

Limnic

Can check the splashes post-update and the hero engine comment disappears. On installation it's still present because you're installing the initial client that still alludes to it and ZOS is unlikely to edit one splash on the installation client. That's just a low priority activity.

That said, it is very much a "Creation Engine" situation as it's pretty likely that they simply did enough edits to the Hero Engine to qualify it as a forked version and rebrand it.

Warlyx

when is zenimaz updating old animations/ spells? some look outdated compared to necro

Darksworm

Nanfoodle said:

I do find it funny what people make fun of core parts of a game that's going well and most are raving about. Like combat in ESO. I like old school combat like EQ1, DAoC and soon Pantheon. Of the many twitch MMOs out there, ESO has the best of its kind. Its hard to take anyone seriously when they use the language you use to describe this games combat. At best you could say is ESO combat is not for you.

ESO isnt really a twitch MMO. It's just that the combat feels bad and the animation canceling is cancer for a lot of people