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Have you murdered another player in a MMORPG?

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  • Vermillion_RaventhalVermillion_Raventhal Member EpicPosts: 3,817
    Hatefull said:
    Amathe said:
    Hatefull said:

     most likely hunting that gold name. No worries dude, we got you.
    As a recent initiate I can vouch for the fact that the free beer, female attention, and nachos at our secret parties never ends. Brad McQuaid drops by periodically, always wanting to do shots and play Twister. Living the dream. 
    McQuaid stops by? Then I am glad I am not "in the club". However, with a title like OP used, what the fuck else do you call it? I mean seriously, there are like a hundred different ways to say that without the fake news shock value of murder. Honestly.


    Hatefull said:
    Nanfoodle said:
    Your questions wording is odd and disturbing.
    I think I MMORPG murder is more fitting term for killing someone for no reason.  Consider that many times players will kill each other for the realm differentiating it is logical.  

    You know, have you killed player for no reason other than loot, malice, boredom or etc?
    Pretty easy to counter that with: Yes, I play PvP games. 

    But you wanted a click-bait title, most likely hunting that gold name. No worries dude, we got you.
    Lol. Clickbait? Considering most of us have probably killed hundreds to thousands of combatant in games you kind of have to differentiate what I was talking about.

    I don't even know what a gold name is.  I give zero about social accolades.
    Riiiiiight. Whatever dude.
    Dude I post on my phone 99% of the time. Everything is black and white.  
    Hatefull
  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 596
    LOL at the title.
    HatefullScot
  • parrotpholkparrotpholk Member EpicPosts: 4,602
    Yep.  Especially after a bad or stressful day.  I would come in and go on sprees because slaughter boars just never did it for me in that regard.  Not done that in a while because now we have arena shooters like COD where you can make small kids cry and actually hear it over the headset.
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 11,332
    I think the threads title is rather weighted, in some forms of PvP it can be very difficult not to kill someone even if there are no factions. Indeed they are designed to generate conflict, resource gathering for example.
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  • DibdabsDibdabs Member RarePosts: 2,823
    Way back in the day I would kill other player characters, but my heart was never in it.  I'd had kids of my own by then and would have hated it if someone spoilt my kid's day just to amuse themselves.  I found I just couldn't do it to others any more.  I have grandkids now and still feel the same.
  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 10,599
    Never murdered any, but killed, sure, why not? if a game has PVP then it happens. For the record it is not possible to murder another player character as that would imply it was illegal, which if a game allows it to happen means that it is 'authorised' hence the difference between the term killing and murder. ;)
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,604
    edited June 16
    ...just wait until Josh Hawley finds out people getting murdered in video games, all rally for video game police.
    ConstantineMerus
  • Vermillion_RaventhalVermillion_Raventhal Member EpicPosts: 3,817
    Scot said:
    I think the threads title is rather weighted, in some forms of PvP it can be very difficult not to kill someone even if there are no factions. Indeed they are designed to generate conflict, resource gathering for example.
    I wouldn't say it's weighted but specific.  It's more of I saw someon and decided to kill them just because.  
  • Vermillion_RaventhalVermillion_Raventhal Member EpicPosts: 3,817
    Phry said:
    Never murdered any, but killed, sure, why not? if a game has PVP then it happens. For the record it is not possible to murder another player character as that would imply it was illegal, which if a game allows it to happen means that it is 'authorised' hence the difference between the term killing and murder. ;)
    Some games it was implied to be illegal by the game itself by branding you 

    Najwalaylah
  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 10,599
    Phry said:
    Never murdered any, but killed, sure, why not? if a game has PVP then it happens. For the record it is not possible to murder another player character as that would imply it was illegal, which if a game allows it to happen means that it is 'authorised' hence the difference between the term killing and murder. ;)
    Some games it was implied to be illegal by the game itself by branding you 

    If its possible to kill another player then its authorised, there are games that have negative karma or other mechanics to 'dissuade' people from being 'excessive' but that is not making it 'illegal' if you think that this is implied by some games, you are probably mistaken, if its possible, then it is just part of the game and not illegal.
    Gdemami
  • bcbullybcbully Member RarePosts: 9,650
    You know what’s funny? In WoW I used to do it all the time. 

    In Age of Wushu, once or twice. I always had a reason. The risk was to great not to.
  • learis1learis1 Member UncommonPosts: 96
    Yeah I murdered a character in cold pixelated blood. Premeditated too. Had the perfect alibi for why I did it to make it seem like I had a purpose. I just said it was for the Horde.
    bcbully

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  • bcbullybcbully Member RarePosts: 9,650
    edited June 16
    Aori said:
    Only game I've considered what I've done to another player murder is Lineage 2. I went out with the sole intention of killing a player, I killed anyone else associated with that player. It was a genuine murder full of malice and ill intent based on revenge. My intent was to make that individual suffer if not disappear altogether which they did.

    Killing players though, never invoke the feeling I am murdering them. It is a game for fun, that is part of the game. I don't consider pvp murder, just Lineage 2, things got very personal sometimes and very nasty.
    You had a reason! A damn good one! They provoked you by associating with your enemy! At least that’s how I see it...

    if thats not right i’ll have to edit a previous post... 

    if i rival guild jumped me, I would kill any and all player in that guild while /yell in world 1 - 1, 2-1, 10-1 I WILL NOT LOSE.

    Again I see plenty of purpose and reason here. DONT FUCK WITH HEMLOCK

    wtb Wushu 2
  • bcbullybcbully Member RarePosts: 9,650
    In Ultima Online Beta... there was a small fenced area of rabbits that were killable for skill gain.  I went in, shut the gate and started leveling up my sword skill on them.  

    This was when MMOs were brand new to most people, so folks would wander by and ask why I was in there and then sometimes join me.

    Being a little shit at the time (still a shit now, just bigger) I invited them in, shut the gate behind them and then murdered them in cold pixel blood.  People even tried to log out, but when they came back I was still there in my bunny slaughterhouse.  Funny seeing ghosts going OoOooOo  while I lure the next person into the cage...

    So yes, I have murdered in game. 

    Would I do that today?  No...  I'd hope not.  (and even if I wanted to my skills are pretty feeble)




    Don’t deny your dark side slap. It’s part of you feed it. Become whole once again. 
  • bcbullybcbully Member RarePosts: 9,650
    Phry said:
    Never murdered any, but killed, sure, why not? if a game has PVP then it happens. For the record it is not possible to murder another player character as that would imply it was illegal, which if a game allows it to happen means that it is 'authorised' hence the difference between the term killing and murder. ;)
    Some games allow killing in an FFA setting, but also have jail, prison, and beheadings for murderers.
  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Member RarePosts: 5,151
    Phry said:
    Phry said:
    Never murdered any, but killed, sure, why not? if a game has PVP then it happens. For the record it is not possible to murder another player character as that would imply it was illegal, which if a game allows it to happen means that it is 'authorised' hence the difference between the term killing and murder. ;)
    Some games it was implied to be illegal by the game itself by branding you 

    If its possible to kill another player then its authorised, there are games that have negative karma or other mechanics to 'dissuade' people from being 'excessive' but that is not making it 'illegal' if you think that this is implied by some games, you are probably mistaken, if its possible, then it is just part of the game and not illegal.
    Wait a minute... So... Because I can wield a bat and kill someone else, it's NOT "illegal" because LIFE allows it?

    - Al

    Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
    - FARGIN_WAR

  • MisterZebubMisterZebub Member LegendaryPosts: 3,536
    AlBQuirky said:
    Phry said:
    Phry said:
    Never murdered any, but killed, sure, why not? if a game has PVP then it happens. For the record it is not possible to murder another player character as that would imply it was illegal, which if a game allows it to happen means that it is 'authorised' hence the difference between the term killing and murder. ;)
    Some games it was implied to be illegal by the game itself by branding you 

    If its possible to kill another player then its authorised, there are games that have negative karma or other mechanics to 'dissuade' people from being 'excessive' but that is not making it 'illegal' if you think that this is implied by some games, you are probably mistaken, if its possible, then it is just part of the game and not illegal.
    Wait a minute... So... Because I can wield a bat and kill someone else, it's NOT "illegal" because LIFE allows it?
    Until we have the ability for people to "get better again" after being killed in real life, comparisons are rather pointless. 
    AlBQuirkyPhry

    "But the band plays Waltzing Matilda
    And the old men still answer the call
    But as year follows year, more old men grow fewer
    Someday no one will march there at all?"

  • ArteriusArterius Member RarePosts: 1,085
    No. I treat people in MMO's like I want to be treated. I don't PK because I hate when it happens to me in games that allow it. I just find it an annoying setback. Usually in MMO's that allow PK I have a generally good reputation and I don't get messed with to much so I guess my code helps me out.
    Ungood
  • DrunkWolfDrunkWolf Member RarePosts: 1,541
    Not realm vs. realm but unprovoked murdered another player in a game that allowed you to player kill.  

    in Age of Conan not only did i murder about 100k people i chopped their F-ing heads off! or dismembered them.
    bcbullySovrath
  • Nelson-zbitNelson-zbit Newbie CommonPosts: 26
    In Wow, I played as Alliance or Horde, killed or be killed 1000+ times.
    In Lineage II, might be dozens of time, for occupying good leveling area.
  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Member RarePosts: 5,151
    edited June 17
    AlBQuirky said:
    Phry said:
    Phry said:
    Never murdered any, but killed, sure, why not? if a game has PVP then it happens. For the record it is not possible to murder another player character as that would imply it was illegal, which if a game allows it to happen means that it is 'authorised' hence the difference between the term killing and murder. ;)
    Some games it was implied to be illegal by the game itself by branding you 

    If its possible to kill another player then its authorised, there are games that have negative karma or other mechanics to 'dissuade' people from being 'excessive' but that is not making it 'illegal' if you think that this is implied by some games, you are probably mistaken, if its possible, then it is just part of the game and not illegal.
    Wait a minute... So... Because I can wield a bat and kill someone else, it's NOT "illegal" because LIFE allows it?
    Until we have the ability for people to "get better again" after being killed in real life, comparisons are rather pointless. 
    So throw logic out, too? Just testing the rationalization :)

    - Al

    Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
    - FARGIN_WAR

  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 2,636
    AlBQuirky said:
    Phry said:
    If its possible to kill another player then its authorised, there are games that have negative karma or other mechanics to 'dissuade' people from being 'excessive' but that is not making it 'illegal' if you think that this is implied by some games, you are probably mistaken, if its possible, then it is just part of the game and not illegal.
    Wait a minute... So... Because I can wield a bat and kill someone else, it's NOT "illegal" because LIFE allows it?
    Here is something I never quite understood. Why would a developer go through all the effort to make a Open PvP game, I mean, they had to program that stuff in, so this was a deliberate act on their part to make it so players could kill each other. Anyway, why would they go through all this effort to put in such a feature in the game, like PvP and then have the flip-flop audacity to try and dissuade people from doing it?

    If you don't want people killing each other, why on this earth would anyone go through the effort to put in FFA Open PvP to start with? That kind of, "We don't know what the fuck we are doing" game developing irks the hell out of me, which is why I never touch games like that. 

    If they put in PvP, then, alright, lets PvP, that is why I play Arena Games, when I PvP, there is no "Well, we kinda didn't expect you to tea bag the shit out of them after you shot them in the ass a million times" the devs are like "LOL that was great! Do it AGAIN!"

    This is also why I don't really play MMO's with PvP in them, I mean, sure, if the PvP is one of those "Off to the Side" things that I can ignore, I'll give the game a whirl, but, I have yet to play an MMO where the people making the game really had their heads on right with what they were trying to accomplish with the PvP part of the game.

    Just my feels on it. 
    Gdemami
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 32,968
    Ungood said:
    AlBQuirky said:
    Phry said: go through all this effort to put in such a feature in the game, like PvP and then have the flip-flop audacity to try and dissuade people from doing it?


    If they put in PvP, then, alright, lets PvP, that is why I play Arena Games, when I PvP, there is no "Well, we kinda didn't expect you to tea bag the shit out of them after you shot them in the ass a million times" the devs are like "LOL that was great! Do it AGAIN!"


    There is the difference, arena PVP is "just a game," usually for "funsies" with few if any consequences for losing, or for that matter, no real reward for winning 

    In a PVP centric MMORPG like EVE the stakes are very different,  more like open warfare where not dying is just as, if not more important than winning.

    When significant resources (player time in the end) are on the line, battles are chosen carefully,  with only those with a good likelihood of success being continued.

    In such a universe, it makes sense why developers would put in controls on PVP, in order to simulate a more realistic virtual world, much more challenging than creating PVP games.
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  • aleosaleos Member UncommonPosts: 1,927
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 26,534
    Ungood said:
    AlBQuirky said:
    Phry said:
    If its possible to kill another player then its authorised, there are games that have negative karma or other mechanics to 'dissuade' people from being 'excessive' but that is not making it 'illegal' if you think that this is implied by some games, you are probably mistaken, if its possible, then it is just part of the game and not illegal.
    Wait a minute... So... Because I can wield a bat and kill someone else, it's NOT "illegal" because LIFE allows it?
    Here is something I never quite understood. Why would a developer go through all the effort to make a Open PvP game, I mean, they had to program that stuff in, so this was a deliberate act on their part to make it so players could kill each other. Anyway, why would they go through all this effort to put in such a feature in the game, like PvP and then have the flip-flop audacity to try and dissuade people from doing it?

    If you don't want people killing each other, why on this earth would anyone go through the effort to put in FFA Open PvP to start with? That kind of, "We don't know what the fuck we are doing" game developing irks the hell out of me, which is why I never touch games like that. 

    If they put in PvP, then, alright, lets PvP, that is why I play Arena Games, when I PvP, there is no "Well, we kinda didn't expect you to tea bag the shit out of them after you shot them in the ass a million times" the devs are like "LOL that was great! Do it AGAIN!"

    This is also why I don't really play MMO's with PvP in them, I mean, sure, if the PvP is one of those "Off to the Side" things that I can ignore, I'll give the game a whirl, but, I have yet to play an MMO where the people making the game really had their heads on right with what they were trying to accomplish with the PvP part of the game.

    Just my feels on it. 
    Because of consequences.

    They want players to "kill" each other but they want to make it a choice that has consequences.

    Just like managing online money or managing resources is "a thing" so is the choice to take out a player.

    I remember, in Lineage 2, dealing with some players in the Cemetary who were messing with our guild members. I was surrounded by a few of them but decided to pk all of them. It was a choice. Just like they had the choice to "not" mess with our guild members.

    If one could go back and forth and take each other out it would be fun but after a while it wouldn't be a thing.
    bcbullyGdemamiAlBQuirky



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