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Is the $550-$700 gaming PC dead?

MMOman101MMOman101 Member UncommonPosts: 1,705
Not that long ago a midrange gaming PC build would pretty much always come in under $700 and and often be around the $600 range.  It looks like the new pricing that we see from Intel, AMD, and Nvidia have all but killed that market.  It is looking like the very low end gaming PC will be $700+ and the top end will be around 2k. 

I don't see this is a good thing at all with especially when you consider the amount of money that is being thrown into streaming gaming. 

For people who have knowledge of fabrication costs, is this price gouging or has cost to produce these products moved up rapidly.  I know RAM was really pricey, but that has normalized recently and I would assume a move to a smaller die would reduce some cost too (AMD). 

Unless I missed something, I don't see a ~$200 GPU on the market that was released in the last few months or is releasing in the next few.  This seems really bad for the midrange gaming market and for people who don't have a 1k to throw a just a PC, never mind the cost of or peripherals. 

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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    I would think it might technically depend upon the type of PC gaming you want to do, as these days you can make a habit out of older games for sure.


    @Quizzical and @Ridelynn would be able to give you a better response.

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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,394
    There seem to be two tracks for games. The WoW approach, where you can run the game on an inexpensive machine, and the latest and greatest approach, where you need something modern and powerful. My computer falls between those. 

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  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,297
    edited June 2019
    Plenty of GTX 1060s that are cheap. There's no need to replace that as the budget option yet but I'm sure they will eventually.

    The 2060 is around 50% faster than the 1060.. you can't expect it be around the same price point. The cards are getting waaaay faster each generation leap now, it's going to cost more but isn't necessarily needed. Other than ray tracing and having a faster card in general, there's no reason to get RTX over GTX in terms of features and a budget card wouldn't handle ray tracing well anyway so what's the point in having it?
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  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919

    Is the $550-$700 gaming PC dead?


    I think its called a console these days.
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  • MMOman101MMOman101 Member UncommonPosts: 1,705
    a 1060 is a ~3 year old card.  This does not impact me much, but I know it will impact friends of mine.  Going to Best Buy to get a $700 PC with a dedicated GPU seems to be gone.  The GPU market seems to have inflated about ~1.7% over the last few years.

    a 1060 came out at $250 and now a 2060 is $370.  A 1080Ti was $700 now a 2080TI is $1200. 

    I see this as a terrible thing for PC gaming.  It will only make consoles and streaming more appealing options and that is really bad for PC gamers long term. 

    I really hope we see a current gen GPU come out in the $200 range. 
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  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,297
    MMOman101 said:
    a 1060 is a ~3 year old card.  This does not impact me much, but I know it will impact friends of mine.  Going to Best Buy to get a $700 PC with a dedicated GPU seems to be gone.  The GPU market seems to have inflated about ~1.7% over the last few years.

    a 1060 came out at $250 and now a 2060 is $370.  A 1080Ti was $700 now a 2080TI is $1200. 

    I see this as a terrible thing for PC gaming.  It will only make consoles and streaming more appealing options and that is really bad for PC gamers long term. 

    I really hope we see a current gen GPU come out in the $200 range. 
    You're talking like the 10 series GTX is already old and obsolete.. it isn't.
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  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 3,673
    MMOman101 said:
    a 1060 is a ~3 year old card.  This does not impact me much, but I know it will impact friends of mine.  Going to Best Buy to get a $700 PC with a dedicated GPU seems to be gone.  The GPU market seems to have inflated about ~1.7% over the last few years.

    a 1060 came out at $250 and now a 2060 is $370.  A 1080Ti was $700 now a 2080TI is $1200. 

    I see this as a terrible thing for PC gaming.  It will only make consoles and streaming more appealing options and that is really bad for PC gamers long term. 

    I really hope we see a current gen GPU come out in the $200 range. 
    You're talking like the 10 series GTX is already old and obsolete.. it isn't.
    According to Kano it is...

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  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,061
    edited June 2019
    My thought:

    yes, a budget gaming PC today costs more than it has historically, even accounting for inflation.

    i think there are three effects at play.

    the first was the mining boom. Prices on GPUs may never entirely recover from that. 

    The second would be stagnation in advancement. Until just recently there has been very little competition in the CPU or GPU space: no external stimulus there to drive down prices or drive up performance

    the third would be Rock’s Law: as silicon processes shrink and get faster and more efficient (Moore’s Law), the price goes up exponentially.

    i have a skeptic fourth reason in that I think a lot of these vendors price fix as well... but can’t prove that.

    you can still put together a decent 1080 gaming rig for around $500 (with an APU), but I would also agree with gervaise1 - at that level you may as well consider a console.
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  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,061
    Plenty of GTX 1060s that are cheap. There's no need to replace that as the budget option yet but I'm sure they will eventually.

    The 2060 is around 50% faster than the 1060.. you can't expect it be around the same price point. The cards are getting waaaay faster each generation leap now, it's going to cost more but isn't necessarily needed. Other than ray tracing and having a faster card in general, there's no reason to get RTX over GTX in terms of features and a budget card wouldn't handle ray tracing well anyway so what's the point in having it?
    I strongly disagree. The entire point of a new generation was to get more performance for the same price. Or at least it used to be.

    That, combined with the fact that recently each generation is not leaping in performance like we saw through the ‘00s.

    Leaves me sitting on old tech with no real desire to spend a lot of cash to upgrade for a minimal performance bump.
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  • MMOman101MMOman101 Member UncommonPosts: 1,705
    edited June 2019
    MMOman101 said:
    a 1060 is a ~3 year old card.  This does not impact me much, but I know it will impact friends of mine.  Going to Best Buy to get a $700 PC with a dedicated GPU seems to be gone.  The GPU market seems to have inflated about ~1.7% over the last few years.

    a 1060 came out at $250 and now a 2060 is $370.  A 1080Ti was $700 now a 2080TI is $1200. 

    I see this as a terrible thing for PC gaming.  It will only make consoles and streaming more appealing options and that is really bad for PC gamers long term. 

    I really hope we see a current gen GPU come out in the $200 range. 
    You're talking like the 10 series GTX is already old and obsolete.. it isn't.
    It is not obsolete, but does it make sense to buy a 3 year old card and expect to get ~5 years out of it?  The market needed a new architecture $200 card so that people buying now could get a PC from Best Buy for ~$750 that would allow them to game for 5 years on medium to low settings. 

    Not everyone builds their own PC, buys used hardware, and has 1000 bucks to spend on a PC for gaming. 

    This does not affect me much, but I have 3 friends looking to get new PCs that were really hoping AMD would put out a Navi card in the 200-250 range, as they have budgets closer to $650.  I just feel bad for them.

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  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,297
    edited June 2019
    Ridelynn said:
    Plenty of GTX 1060s that are cheap. There's no need to replace that as the budget option yet but I'm sure they will eventually.

    The 2060 is around 50% faster than the 1060.. you can't expect it be around the same price point. The cards are getting waaaay faster each generation leap now, it's going to cost more but isn't necessarily needed. Other than ray tracing and having a faster card in general, there's no reason to get RTX over GTX in terms of features and a budget card wouldn't handle ray tracing well anyway so what's the point in having it?
    I strongly disagree. The entire point of a new generation was to get more performance for the same price. Or at least it used to be.

    That, combined with the fact that recently each generation is not leaping in performance like we saw through the ‘00s.

    Leaves me sitting on old tech with no real desire to spend a lot of cash to upgrade for a minimal performance bump.
    Well it sounds like you have a enthusiasts mindset with an average users budget.

    What GPU do you, or the OP's friends if that's what we're talking about, have now? I mean you say the jump is minimal each gen now but if you went from something like a 960 to a 1060 it's around a 75% improvement. It's a huge difference. 
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  • TillerTiller Member EpicPosts: 8,880
    edited June 2019
    I thought I could do my newest build cheap, but I went mid-range, and since I needed a new case because my old one had no support for AIO it drove up my cost a bit more. Ended up spending $1100+. Luckily the case I bought was cheaper than the one I bought back in 2010, and it looks better. Only thing I salvaged from old build was the PSU. GPU and SSD had already been upgraded.
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited June 2019
    Tiller said:
    I thought I could do my newest build cheap, but I went mid-range, and since I needed a new case because my old one had no support for AIO it drove up my cost a bit more. Ended up spending $1100+. Luckily the case I bought was cheaper than the one I bought back in 2010, and it looks better. Only thing I salvaged from old build was the PSU. GPU and SSD had already been upgraded.
    What's crazy is I paid for a PC about 3-4 years ago I'm still using today (replaced drives, GPU and added RAM over the years), built and ready to go with monitor...  And paid $1300.  No assembly necessary (I assume by build you meant you built it yourself).

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  • ArteriusArterius Member EpicPosts: 2,841
    My computer has a Nvidia 1060 3gb that I bought about 7 months. So far I can play on High for really anything I can throw at it including newer games. It does have problems with some games and I have scale back to Medium (Witcher 3) but as of right now it does its job. I mean I doubt its going to be able to run Cyberpunk 2077 but I could be wrong on that front. Not that it matters for me anyhow. I can't play FPS games on PC so getting that on PS4 regardless.

    My computer was a whopping 1k though when all was said and done. I don't think i will get another gaming pc. If Pantheon is out before I retire this computer then I will downgrade to something cheap that can run it on medium settings. If not then the game is never coming out anyway and I will be console only.
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  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,297
    Arterius said:
    My computer has a Nvidia 1060 3gb that I bought about 7 months. So far I can play on High for really anything I can throw at it including newer games. It does have problems with some games and I have scale back to Medium (Witcher 3) but as of right now it does its job. I mean I doubt its going to be able to run Cyberpunk 2077 but I could be wrong on that front. Not that it matters for me anyhow. I can't play FPS games on PC so getting that on PS4 regardless.

    My computer was a whopping 1k though when all was said and done. I don't think i will get another gaming pc. If Pantheon is out before I retire this computer then I will downgrade to something cheap that can run it on medium settings. If not then the game is never coming out anyway and I will be console only.
    I reckon the 3GB version is what's going to be the problem with Cyberpunk. I'm expecting a 4GB VRAM minimum requirement.
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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,182
    edited June 2019
    GTX 970 launch price $329
    GTX 1060 6GB launch price $279 and being about 10% faster than GTX 970
    GTX 1660 6GB launch price $219 and being about 15% faster than GTX 1060 6GB

    Same pattern as usual - $60 off for 10-15% better performance, evil greedy Nvidia and sky is falling...again...



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  • xD_GamingxD_Gaming Member EpicPosts: 2,683
    depends on how you built your p.c. / I personally chose a system that can increase if I simply upgrade to a graphics card ,  some people don't think width like that but I am very happy I did because instead of buying an entire p.c. I can upgrade individual components. 

    I would say yes, with current component prices, 500 -600 dollars will not get much in the way of latest and greatest, but you can squeek by , by getting great components form last generation that can still play current games,
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  • MMOman101MMOman101 Member UncommonPosts: 1,705
    Gdemami said:
    GTX 970 launch price $329
    GTX 1060 6GB launch price $279 and being about 10% faster than GTX 970
    GTX 1660 6GB launch price $219 and being about 15% faster than GTX 1060 6GB

    Same pattern as usual - $60 off for 10-15% better performance, evil greedy Nvidia and sky is falling...again...



    960 was 199 at launch, not sure why you are using the 970. 

    The 1660 is not new architecture.  The 2060 is. The 1660 is really just a refresh.  Not apples to apples at all.  more like apples to elephants.  The 2060 was 350 at launch. 

    I think the point is in the past when new architecture was produced we used to see the benefits with out the large price increase.  We are not seeing that now. 

    If we are untruthful with ourselves we can justify anything. 


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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,182
    edited June 2019
    MMOman101 said:
    960 was 199 at launch, not sure why you are using the 970.  

    ...because I am comparing performance/$.

    GTX 1660 is new architecture - Turing, same as 20xx .
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,365
    I would have always viewed any "gaming" PC under $1K as low end, with $1500 to $2500 being more in the mid to higher range.

    High end has always been $4K plus most of my life,  now it's even higher, especially in the laptops I buy.
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  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,297
    MMOman101 said:
    Gdemami said:
    GTX 970 launch price $329
    GTX 1060 6GB launch price $279 and being about 10% faster than GTX 970
    GTX 1660 6GB launch price $219 and being about 15% faster than GTX 1060 6GB

    Same pattern as usual - $60 off for 10-15% better performance, evil greedy Nvidia and sky is falling...again...



    960 was 199 at launch, not sure why you are using the 970. 

    Big tech evolution that gen. The 1060 is faster than the 970 whereas the 960 was not faster than the 770. 970 is the equivalent previous gen card when it comes to the 1060. 
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    RX 580's / RX590's and RVII will be at liquidation levels  soon 
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  • MMOman101MMOman101 Member UncommonPosts: 1,705
    Gdemami said:
    MMOman101 said:
    960 was 199 at launch, not sure why you are using the 970.  

    ...because I am comparing performance/$.
    You are not, because you choose the card that was the next step up in performance tier from the previous generation. 
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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,182
    MMOman101 said:
    You are not, because you choose the card that was the next step up in performance tier from the previous generation. 

    I am. No point arguing that.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,365
    edited June 2019
    Gdemami said:
    GTX 970 launch price $329
    GTX 1060 6GB launch price $279 and being about 10% faster than GTX 970
    GTX 1660 6GB launch price $219 and being about 15% faster than GTX 1060 6GB

    Same pattern as usual - $60 off for 10-15% better performance, evil greedy Nvidia and sky is falling...again...



    Yes, but isn't the 1080 the card most high end gamers have wanted the past two years?

    How have those card prices trended?

    I've been holding off on buying a new laptop waiting for the price to drop, but last I checked they really hadn't come down much.

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