mods killed it for me / and the patch

Prime_Directive

mods should never be allowed in any mmorpg. I just spent an hour going from trader to trader just to find the exact same price for anm item I waslooking. The only way this happens is when people are using mods to run market up. 

It is so lame and boring and kills the game and the fun to find that one argain. 

The patch : Garbage, screwed up weapon switching in pvp,delays in skills when weapon switches. 

Taking a break, headed ot Coonquer's Blades'/ scratch that, they are tying to hook the my/con client into thje steam account

FishForce

So how long have you been playing this time then?

skiidzman

Mars_Orbital said:

mods should never be allowed in any mmorpg. I just spent an hour going from trader to trader just to find the exact same price for anm item I waslooking. The only way this happens is when people are using mods to run market up. 

It is so lame and boring and kills the game and the fun to find that one argain. 

The patch : Garbage, screwed up weapon switching in pvp,delays in skills when weapon switches. 

Taking a break, headed ot Coonquer's Blades'/ scratch that, they are tying to hook the my/con client into thje steam account

I'm with you brother.  Done with Elder Scrolls Online.

Sick of the bugs, design issues with their systems, lack of immunity timers in PvP.  This game legitimately gets good reviews from people who are happy running around 1 hour a week with a ghost cat.

The game has tremendous flaws, imbalance issues, and its whatever - i've posted 10 bug reports and not one has gotten a reply.  How many hours do I have?  More than you.  I've done all end-game major content and trials as well as tons of open world PvP and battlegrounds.

The support in this game... is non-existant.

Prime_Directive

I'm stil l playing it . really nothing else to play except Black Desert and I'm going back for while to that one

Prime_Directive

FishForce said:

So how long have you been playing this time then?

week 5 for me.

Sovrath

I agree regarding mods.

Gutlard

I guess it depends on the mod for me. If it helps break the game/cheat, then no. If it improves gameplay in a non-break the game/cheat way, then sure.

Some mods are awesome and I'm not sure why Devs just don't update their game with that mechanic if it improves things in a positive way. Is it an ego thing? Would they need to pay the modder or get their permission first?

Def, if you gamers don't like or are burned out on ESO GTFO to something fun!

Gut Out!

Asm0deus

Haven't played in a long time but it was only playable because of mods IMO.  As to OP he is just being overly negative...Iol

Palebane

I never liked the trader system in this game, which is a shame because thats always been my fav. part of MMOs. The mods make it at least bearable, but relying on mods just seems like lazy developers to me.

Kyleran

I would have thought not having a universal trading house would have tempered some of that sort of activity,  but perhaps not so much?

Iselin

Kyleran said:

I would have thought not having a universal trading house would have tempered some of that sort of activity,  but perhaps not so much?

Any serious trader in ESO will have all the trading mods and will set the prices at the going rate. It's just as rare to find bargains in ESO as it is in a full AH game and in both cases it only happens when clueless Joe screws up.

The only difference is that in AH MMOs you can watch it all unfold from your favorite city hub and in ESO you need to teleport around from guild store to guild store to see the same thing.

There are a lot of things I've liked about ESO over the years but the trading system is not one of those.

Torval

Iselin said:

Kyleran said:

I would have thought not having a universal trading house would have tempered some of that sort of activity,  but perhaps not so much?

Any serious trader in ESO will have all the trading mods and will set the prices at the going rate. It's just as rare to find bargains in ESO as it is in a full AH game and in both cases it only happens when clueless Joe screws up.

The only difference is that in AH MMOs you can watch it all unfold from your favorite city hub and in ESO you need to teleport around from guild store to guild store to see the same thing.

There are a lot of things I've liked about ESO over the years but the trading system is not one of those.

Even without mods third party websites would do the same job. It did in Guild Wars. It's a flaw in the system design not just in what the mods can do. I've never been a fan of the trade system in the game. I don't like how it's affected guilds either.

Iselin

Torval said:

Iselin said:

Kyleran said:

I would have thought not having a universal trading house would have tempered some of that sort of activity,  but perhaps not so much?

Any serious trader in ESO will have all the trading mods and will set the prices at the going rate. It's just as rare to find bargains in ESO as it is in a full AH game and in both cases it only happens when clueless Joe screws up.

The only difference is that in AH MMOs you can watch it all unfold from your favorite city hub and in ESO you need to teleport around from guild store to guild store to see the same thing.

There are a lot of things I've liked about ESO over the years but the trading system is not one of those.

Even without mods third party websites would do the same job. It did in Guild Wars. It's a flaw in the system design not just in what the mods can do. I've never been a fan of the trade system in the game. I don't like how it's affected guilds either.

The premier trading mod for ESO is just the in-game tool for the website that uses that mod to track prices of anything seen at any guild store by anyone using it. It also displays stats about the item's listed prices in the game.

But you're right, even without the mod you can just go to the website (https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/pc/Trade) and find out what others using the add-on have reported as the selling price for any item you're interested in and where and when that price was seen.

Octagon7711

SWG had a nice system, you could advertise, sell out of your own store, and put items in a limited  auction house.  Plus I found a lot of good buys just from word of mouth about crafters who had the best items and crafting materials in the galaxy.  So I think ESO could still add an auction house.  

Iselin

Octagon7711 said:

SWG had a nice system, you could advertise, sell out of your own store, and put items in a limited  auction house.  Plus I found a lot of good buys just from word of mouth about crafters who had the best items and crafting materials in the galaxy.  So I think ESO could still add an auction house.  

Yeah personal stores in games like SWG and EQ2 I've always liked. I had hopes that housing would have had that personal store option but instead they went with the 99% cosmetic housing system.

Torval

Iselin said:

Octagon7711 said:

SWG had a nice system, you could advertise, sell out of your own store, and put items in a limited  auction house.  Plus I found a lot of good buys just from word of mouth about crafters who had the best items and crafting materials in the galaxy.  So I think ESO could still add an auction house.  

Yeah personal stores in games like SWG and EQ2 I've always liked. I had hopes that housing would have had that personal store option but instead they went with the 99% cosmetic housing system.

I made gazillions in EQ2 just selling popular shinies and green+ drops to decon for mats, not to mention harvest mats themselves. Looking back it's probably my most missed MMO, even more than LotRO.

Limnic

I mean, even WoW had UI/Lua mods. EQ, EQ2, SWTOR, Rift, a good number of them actually have extensions for such things that people use.

And that bleeds backwards into the games at times with them integrating features from such things into improvements to the base game. Most of the map improvements in WoW followed popular mods.

TheDarkrayne

You were trying to find a bargain, probably in a main hub, and you won't there, ever. It will always be the standard price. If you go to out of the way guild traders there's a much higher chance you'll find a deal. Especially if no one has flagged it with the Tamriel Trade Centre App yet.

I think Master Merchant and TTC are essential for a proper economy in ESO, personally. Pricing trends are much more useful to everyone instead of random people just putting up random prices. Better for buyers and sellers.

Guild trade system is the worst thing about the game's social features though. When I consider playing it again, the trade system is always one of my reasons not to.

Some stuff in ESO are so badly designed that mods are essential to me. The inventory being one of them. Complete arse ache at endgame trying to organise your sets and stuff, even with the best mods that help do it.

Kazara

Iselin said:

Octagon7711 said:

SWG had a nice system, you could advertise, sell out of your own store, and put items in a limited  auction house.  Plus I found a lot of good buys just from word of mouth about crafters who had the best items and crafting materials in the galaxy.  So I think ESO could still add an auction house.  

Yeah personal stores in games like SWG and EQ2 I've always liked. I had hopes that housing would have had that personal store option but instead they went with the 99% cosmetic housing system.

The trading system is the biggest drawback in ESO to me. I would dearly love to see the EQ2 vendor system utilized. Commission was determined on what 'alliance' you were buying from on the AH, and if you wanted to escape the commission fee, you could go directly to the player's vendor within their house. 

keithian

I have to agree with others about the Trading system. When I was playing, it was one of the biggest issues I had with the game. Then I came back, but unlike most, I hated level scaling. Yes, it allows more exploration and go anywhere at anytime, but for me it removed the sense of progression and I like that themepark feel as long as the zones are big enough which in the case of ESO they were (to me at least). 

Finally, I simply found that single player games were more dynamic and interesting (for obvious reasons being that they are single player or coop) and kept my interest longer..like the Witcher 3 or what I'm loving now....Divinity Original Sin 2.

With that said, ESO is an awesome MMO in comparison to most of the MMORPGs out there and is among my top 3 favorites along with WOW when that first came out, and then LOTRO. I never once felt like the Mods were an issue. If anything, they added to my enjoyment. Since I mostly PVE, some of what bothers others don't bother me which includes the fact that I really don't care whether I can't get the greatest armor or weapons because the ones I find to be honest are good enough to progress and still feel strong in PVE. In every MMO I've played, I always end up with more than enough money and then when I leave the game like I have with ESO for now, it just sits there and then I wonder why I even cared about how much I had since I was never short of any lol. 

I may come back and try the game again just to see how it may have changed over the last year.

Nanfoodle

Banning add ons would not solve this problem. People will just get info off a web page. Just like EQ1 refusing to add maps in game and everyone just used EQ atlas website. 

Prime_Directive

Nanfoodle said:

Banning add ons would not solve this problem. People will just get info off a web page. Just like EQ1 refusing to add maps in game and everyone just used EQ atlas website. 

I never saw a Lineage 2 website with algorithms of current market prices. 

Albatroes

I sometimes wonder how high I need to be to understand threads like this.

Viper482

No clue why ESO is so popular.

Tiller

The thing about mods is you need some of them to make the game not suck unfortunately.

Harvest map, lost treasure, lorebooks, map pins, UI, Master merchant, mini map add-on, quest map, skyshards, Awesomeguild store, potion maker ect to name a few.

Honestly I kind of wish they changed a few things like adding a mini-map, better store ect, but I would probably just end up using a guide or some type of store search thing outside of the game so. It is what it is, and yes it could be better.

Prime_Directive

Nanfoodle said:

Banning add ons would not solve this problem. People will just get info off a web page. Just like EQ1 refusing to add maps in game and everyone just used EQ atlas website. 

I would also say this as a web designer, that having core components that drive people to a website is not only good for a website, but good at building outside bridges for the community.

THe biggest problem facing online gaming is the narrowness of outside content streams, meaning why would anyone search for a website  and maybe find another part of the game community  when everyone is just on discord giving away answers . 

Some people may think I'm crazy for thinking this, but is ievident that when discord and instant access was something not previlant, mmo's were at their peaks in population and outside game content was robust. Discord in general has over saturated content information making gaming communities stagnate.  Same can be said of mods, though a mod generates more outside community streams then discord . imo