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The $35,000+ Apple Mac Pro

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  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,407
    Kyleran said:
    To no one's real surprise threads which even whiff of politics get closed.

    Any chance you folks can take it out back so we can continue to mock Apple, Macs and rich posers?

    ;)
    yes please. That's more fun.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,357
    Please, just stop. 

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  • JeffSpicoliJeffSpicoli Member EpicPosts: 2,849
    Kyleran said:
    Please, just stop. 

    Phry
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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 8,967
    I'm going to buy one, take selfies of me working on it, then send it back...


    -just kidding.

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  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    edited June 2019
    Kyleran said:
    To no one's real surprise threads which even whiff of politics get closed.

    Any chance you folks can take it out back so we can continue to mock Apple, Macs and rich posers?

    ;)
    That's where I was, until dude randomly turned into Dwight Schrute defending Michael Scotts honor mode. My inbox is there for anything that doesn't belong in this thread.

    Back to Apple... they're now officially the Kellerman King of computer hardware



    They might as well have called this overpriced abomination of a Ford F550 the iTruck Pro.  :D
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  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 2,960
    FYI: 
    Tertiary syphilis happens 3-15 years after initial infection and can cause dementia and neurological problems. Hilarious and creative insult I must say. +1 for sure. 

    On to the topic. 

    People forget that businesses invest in high tech components because they need to do that for their business. 

    On another topic:
    I always find it funny when people say, "this guy has more money than sense". The reality is, everything is relative. 

    A rich guy spending 35k for a home computer is probably less egregious than a lower socioeconomic person buying weekly scratch tickets or cigs. It is all relative. The 35k the rich guy spent may be less % of the total wealth that the person has than a month of scratch tickets and/or cigs. 

    The reality is that the rich people have money and actually have sense, it's how they became rich in the first place (most of the time). 







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  • PhaserlightPhaserlight Member EpicPosts: 3,002
    FYI: 
    Tertiary syphilis happens 3-15 years after initial infection and can cause dementia and neurological problems. Hilarious and creative insult I must say. +1 for sure. 

    On to the topic. 

    People forget that businesses invest in high tech components because they need to do that for their business. 

    On another topic:
    I always find it funny when people say, "this guy has more money than sense". The reality is, everything is relative. 

    A rich guy spending 35k for a home computer is probably less egregious than a lower socioeconomic person buying weekly scratch tickets or cigs. It is all relative. The 35k the rich guy spent may be less % of the total wealth that the person has than a month of scratch tickets and/or cigs. 

    The reality is that the rich people have money and actually have sense, it's how they became rich in the first place (most of the time). 







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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 22,098
    To be fair to Apple, it's got some really nice hardware in it.  It's basically a Xeon Platnium 8180M, four Radeon Instinct MI60s, and 4 TB of SSDs, among other things.  That's still going to cost you well into five figures if you want to run Windows or Linux on it.  And even if you do buy a rack-mountable server with that hardware, it will probably be a lot noisier and uglier than the Mac Pro.  So it's not like they're going to charge you $35k for something that you could get elsewhere for $2k.
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited June 2019
    Quizzical said:
    To be fair to Apple, it's got some really nice hardware in it.  It's basically a Xeon Platnium 8180M, four Radeon Instinct MI60s, and 4 TB of SSDs, among other things.  That's still going to cost you well into five figures if you want to run Windows or Linux on it.  And even if you do buy a rack-mountable server with that hardware, it will probably be a lot noisier and uglier than the Mac Pro.  So it's not like they're going to charge you $35k for something that you could get elsewhere for $2k.
    While true, that's like those amphibious vehicles these boutique auto companies sell for $100k+.  Sure, you can pay out the ass and get something you won't get from Ford, Chevy, or Dodge...  But why?  You can accomplish both sides of the task more effectively and more cheaply by just buying a truck and a boat.
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 22,098
    If you think that Apple is overcharging for the hardware (and they haven't announced prices yet), then just for fun, try to price out a workstation elsewhere with 1.5 TB of memory and over 25 TFLOPS of double precision GPU compute with 128 GB of GPU memory.  See what it costs.  See if you can find it at all without having to jump to a server form factor.

    I'm not really sure what the target market for this is.  But HPCs with many times more powerful hardware than that exist for good reasons, so it's not too hard to imagine that a ton of compute power in a single workstation could have its uses.  Playing computer games just aren't one of the reasons to buy that grade of hardware.
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  • TillerTiller Member EpicPosts: 8,876
    Quizzical said:
    If you think that Apple is overcharging for the hardware (and they haven't announced prices yet), then just for fun, try to price out a workstation elsewhere with 1.5 TB of memory and over 25 TFLOPS of double precision GPU compute with 128 GB of GPU memory.  See what it costs.  See if you can find it at all without having to jump to a server form factor.

    I'm not really sure what the target market for this is.  But HPCs with many times more powerful hardware than that exist for good reasons, so it's not too hard to imagine that a ton of compute power in a single workstation could have its uses.  Playing computer games just aren't one of the reasons to buy that grade of hardware.
    But again, it's Apple. What type of powerful computing would you use an apple for? Beyond design, art and possibly media; which most computers costing way less already do well anyways, I see no reason for this.
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    Quizzical said:
    If you think that Apple is overcharging for the hardware (and they haven't announced prices yet), then just for fun, try to price out a workstation elsewhere with 1.5 TB of memory and over 25 TFLOPS of double precision GPU compute with 128 GB of GPU memory.  See what it costs.  See if you can find it at all without having to jump to a server form factor.

    I'm not really sure what the target market for this is.  But HPCs with many times more powerful hardware than that exist for good reasons, so it's not too hard to imagine that a ton of compute power in a single workstation could have its uses.  Playing computer games just aren't one of the reasons to buy that grade of hardware.
    I didn't mean to say that they were overcharging on a raw cost of parts basis, I simply meant that packing all that hardware into one product seems to "kinda" target multiple demographics, most of which could be adequately served with a cheaper alternative.

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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 22,098
    Quizzical said:
    If you think that Apple is overcharging for the hardware (and they haven't announced prices yet), then just for fun, try to price out a workstation elsewhere with 1.5 TB of memory and over 25 TFLOPS of double precision GPU compute with 128 GB of GPU memory.  See what it costs.  See if you can find it at all without having to jump to a server form factor.

    I'm not really sure what the target market for this is.  But HPCs with many times more powerful hardware than that exist for good reasons, so it's not too hard to imagine that a ton of compute power in a single workstation could have its uses.  Playing computer games just aren't one of the reasons to buy that grade of hardware.
    I didn't mean to say that they were overcharging on a raw cost of parts basis, I simply meant that packing all that hardware into one product seems to "kinda" target multiple demographics, most of which could be adequately served with a cheaper alternative.
    It's not a high volume product.  Apple neither needs nor expects to sell a huge number of these, especially relative to iPhone and iPad, but even relative to MacBook Pro, MacBook Air, or iMac.  That's why they don't constantly design a new Mac Pro; their previous version was based on the Intel Westmere processors from 2010.  But if you can sell 10k units for $30k each and 100k units for $8k each, that adds up to a lot of money, and enough to be worth the engineering effort to make the product happen.
    MadFrenchie
  • TheocritusTheocritus Member EpicPosts: 7,671
    Apple/Mac has always been overpriced garbage.
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  • XasapisXasapis Member RarePosts: 6,337
    FYI: 
    Tertiary syphilis happens 3-15 years after initial infection and can cause dementia and neurological problems. Hilarious and creative insult I must say. +1 for sure. 

    On to the topic. 

    People forget that businesses invest in high tech components because they need to do that for their business. 

    On another topic:
    I always find it funny when people say, "this guy has more money than sense". The reality is, everything is relative. 

    A rich guy spending 35k for a home computer is probably less egregious than a lower socioeconomic person buying weekly scratch tickets or cigs. It is all relative. The 35k the rich guy spent may be less % of the total wealth that the person has than a month of scratch tickets and/or cigs. 

    The reality is that the rich people have money and actually have sense, it's how they became rich in the first place (most of the time). 







    Stephen Paddock was a millionaire.  Bernie Madoff was a billionaire.
    Rich people are people too. Meaning that they are prone to buy dump stuff, because in their mind it makes sense. Take for example all the cringe worthy purchases of Nicolas Cage.
    Phaserlight
  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 2,960



    Stephen Paddock was a millionaire.  Bernie Madoff was a billionaire.
    This is called taking outliers and making them seem like the norm. Those two are outliers. Once you interact with people of all socioeconomic levels from poorest to richest, you will see patterns emerge. 

    Since, I deal with poorest to richest the same exact way in my profession. I can compare trends that I see. There are definitely exceptions but the trends are accurate.

    Here is an example of a trend, "smoking increases your chances of getting lung cancer." And your response, "I knew some guy who smoked 4 packs of cigs a day for 60 years and never got lung cancer".  Therefore what you say isn't true. 


    Did you know people have survived skydiving when their parachute fails to open, is that the norm or an outlier? 

    In summary:
    You reference extreme outliers to refute a trend. In fairness, I should have added "usually" before sense. 
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  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Apple/Mac has always been overpriced garbage.
    Don't forget, if you open them up then the warranty is invalidated, only Apple are allowed to work on Mac's, which drives up even the cost of ownership compared to the equivalent PC's. :/
    OG_Zorvan
  • HeraseHerase Member RarePosts: 993
    edited June 2019
     
    From what a i read the screen comes with no stand, so you either buy the shitty one or this lol
  • OG_ZorvanOG_Zorvan Member EpicPosts: 2,282
    Herase said:
     
    From what a i read the screen comes with no stand, so you either buy the shitty one or this lol
    Or just shadowbox it into the wall for $20 worth of lumber, paint, and hardware.
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  • TillerTiller Member EpicPosts: 8,876
    edited June 2019
    Herase said:
     
    From what a i read the screen comes with no stand, so you either buy the shitty one or this lol

    The stand cost double what I paid for my monitor wtf. People will pay that too, those who aren't mocking it at the moment anyways.



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  • PhaserlightPhaserlight Member EpicPosts: 3,002



    Stephen Paddock was a millionaire.  Bernie Madoff was a billionaire.
    This is called taking outliers and making them seem like the norm. Those two are outliers. Once you interact with people of all socioeconomic levels from poorest to richest, you will see patterns emerge. 

    Since, I deal with poorest to richest the same exact way in my profession. I can compare trends that I see. There are definitely exceptions but the trends are accurate.

    Here is an example of a trend, "smoking increases your chances of getting lung cancer." And your response, "I knew some guy who smoked 4 packs of cigs a day for 60 years and never got lung cancer".  Therefore what you say isn't true. 


    Did you know people have survived skydiving when their parachute fails to open, is that the norm or an outlier? 

    In summary:
    You reference extreme outliers to refute a trend. In fairness, I should have added "usually" before sense. 
    I didn't write anything about smoking.  It's a bad analogy.

    I suppose I was taking exception to the not-so-subtle implication that wealth equals some sort of moral high ground; a viewpoint I run into all too often these days, unfortunately.

    Should I also point out the irony that you are making an argument based on supposed statistics without actually furnishing any?  I respect that in your line of work you deal with rich and poor alike and notice certain trends; it is common sense after all.  However, before claiming something is false or talking about "outliers", please link to your statistical source.

    Otherwise, I'll have to take your anecdote with a big grain of salt while assuming it's through the lens of personal experience.  

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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited June 2019



    Stephen Paddock was a millionaire.  Bernie Madoff was a billionaire.
    This is called taking outliers and making them seem like the norm. Those two are outliers. Once you interact with people of all socioeconomic levels from poorest to richest, you will see patterns emerge. 

    Since, I deal with poorest to richest the same exact way in my profession. I can compare trends that I see. There are definitely exceptions but the trends are accurate.

    Here is an example of a trend, "smoking increases your chances of getting lung cancer." And your response, "I knew some guy who smoked 4 packs of cigs a day for 60 years and never got lung cancer".  Therefore what you say isn't true. 


    Did you know people have survived skydiving when their parachute fails to open, is that the norm or an outlier? 

    In summary:
    You reference extreme outliers to refute a trend. In fairness, I should have added "usually" before sense. 
    I didn't write anything about smoking.  It's a bad analogy.

    I suppose I was taking exception to the not-so-subtle implication that wealth equals some sort of moral high ground; a viewpoint I run into all too often these days, unfortunately.

    Should I also point out the irony that you are making an argument based on supposed statistics without actually furnishing any?  I respect that in your line of work you deal with rich and poor alike and notice certain trends; it is common sense after all.  However, before claiming something is false or talking about "outliers", please link to your statistical source.

    Otherwise, I'll have to take your anecdote with a big grain of salt while assuming it's through the lens of personal experience.  
    Even personally observed trends can be misleading, depending upon where one lives.  You'll get a far different picture of the merits/demerits inherent to the wealthy if you live in a rural area as opposed to an urban one.  And don't even get me started on how differently military members view "wealthy."


    For one, "wealthy" has far different thresholds when you can own a 4 bedroom, 3 bathroom, 30 acre house and lot in some places for around $200,000.  In a city, that amount of cash may limit you to a bus pass and a 1 bedroom apartment condo.

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  • JeffSpicoliJeffSpicoli Member EpicPosts: 2,849
    In a related story actor comedian Tracy Morgan wrecked his brand new 2 million dollar Bugatti

     Image result for tracy morgan car hit


    Why would someone spend 2 million dollars on a exotic sports car and then attempt to drive it home through the pot holed streets of Manhattan before making it 10 blocks and then getting side swiped by a uber driver you ask ?

     BECAUSE HE CAN!!! 
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  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,060
    I wonder if these are the “Made in America” macs we were promised 
  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,250
    edited June 2019
    The monitor panel is made in Korea. The GPU is made in Taiwan. The CPU is made at whatever fab Intel decided to use. The SSD was probably made in the US since Samsung probably won't work with Apple on this. Then it was probably assembled in China with a juicy tariff on it.
    OG_ZorvanPhry
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