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'Gaming disorder' deemed an official illness by World Health Organization

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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    Amathe said:
    The 50s were almost 70 years ago. There have been quite a few advancements in science and medicine since then. For example, physicians no longer endorse cigarettes in advertisements. Lobotomies are no longer done. The list goes on and on. But the fact of progress in knowledge is not a sound basis to deny new knowledge. 

    It also isn't just psychological illnesses that have been measured on the rise in youth.  Physical illnesses are also on the rise, and it's not some scheme to sell insulin.
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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,687
    Amathe said:
    The 50s were almost 70 years ago. There have been quite a few advancements in science and medicine since then. For example, physicians no longer endorse cigarettes in advertisements. Lobotomies are no longer done. The list goes on and on. But the fact of progress in knowledge is not a sound basis to deny new knowledge. 

    ...maybe re-read your own post and try to think what's wrong with it.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 12,904
    DMKano said:
    Xasapis said:
    A great excuse to pump kids with drugs, guilt free.

    Except that game addiction is not treated with drugs but with therapy.

    Behavior modification and counseling - that's how its done.

    Non substance addiction disorders are rarely if ever treated with medication.


    How positively Freudian of them... "Tell me again about that train entering the tunnel, young lady."
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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 2,690
    Gdemami said:
    ConstantineMerus said:
    And this is just the beginning. When there's a disease/disorder, there's a market. When there's a market, there are going to be products. 
    ...not a begging at all, this has been going as long as psychiatry/psychology "existed".

     There is 3 times more "official disorders" than there was in the 50thies.

    The result? Nearly 50% of Americans suffer some form of disorder in their life-time - and plenty of drugs to prescribe.

    Just from the recent itteration, if you visit France and you happen to be Japanese origin, you should beware of Paris syndom but neither Italy seem to be safe since you can get struck by Florance syndrome if you visit a city of the same name.


    Psychiatry/psychology is just a comedy...altough very lucrative one...
    I meant the beginning of psychiatry and medications for gaming disorder. But yeah you are correct. 
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  • gabrielgoldberggabrielgoldberg Newbie CommonPosts: 2
    Well that's a little bit harsh, isn't it? 
    However, in asian regions it may to seem as mental disorder, where people die 'cause of tiredness. Playin 24/7 without sleep, will get you to the point where you can't respawn no more.
  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    The report is not credible and the science behind it is sketchy at best as is often the case when agenda driven organisations cherry pick data and ignore 'inconsistencies' that often entirely disprove their arguments. W.H.O is an organisation that as part of the U.N has virtually no credibility these days, anything they say can be safely ignored, honestly just disbanding the U.N would probably be a good step towards ending any number of international 'issues' as they hinder far more than they help, which is virtually never. :/
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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 5,732
    Gdemami said:
    Amathe said:
    The 50s were almost 70 years ago. There have been quite a few advancements in science and medicine since then. For example, physicians no longer endorse cigarettes in advertisements. Lobotomies are no longer done. The list goes on and on. But the fact of progress in knowledge is not a sound basis to deny new knowledge. 

    ...maybe re-read your own post and try to think what's wrong with it.
    Or maybe you could learn the difference between announcing that an organization has reached a determination, and personally endorsing the merits of that determination.
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  • OldSchoolGamerOldSchoolGamer Member UncommonPosts: 226
    edited June 4
    It is the schools that want your children drugged, not the parents.  The more children that are on meds for ADD, ADHD, etc the more money that the school gets for funding.  I know two different families where the parents had to put their children in charter schools because they refused to have their children put on meds to keep the child calm in the classroom.  The great part is, the children flourished in a charter school setting.  One of those children, now a young adult, just graduated from Stanford with her pre-med degree.
  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 2,757
    I am glad to see Gaming Addiction finally get some notice. 

    This has been a real, well known thing, since well, EQ was called "Ever Crack" for a reason, and I wager a lot more people got sucked into games and ended up ruining their lives than we all would like to know about. 

    But, I am glad to see this coming more to light, and a realization that this is affecting people, that this is a real problem, like any other kind of addiction, and that people who are in fact suffering from this, need help to handle their addiction, not scorn or mockery, or ridicule. 
    KyleranGdemami
  • TheocritusTheocritus Member EpicPosts: 7,036
    Gaming isn't an illness or mental disorder, it's a choice...just like drugs, alcohol, or anything else we choose to do.
  • HashbrickHashbrick Member RarePosts: 1,851
    Gaming isn't an illness or mental disorder, it's a choice...just like drugs, alcohol, or anything else we choose to do.
    You couldn't be more wrong. The choice is to start doing them, the addiction is how you can't let go once you do.  Some have the power to stop, some don't have the mental capacity to stop.

    I know it might be hard for you to comprehend but there is people out in the world that can't choose for themselves because their "broken brain" does it for them.
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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 5,732
    edited June 4
    Gaming isn't an illness or mental disorder, it's a choice...just like drugs, alcohol, or anything else we choose to do.
    Anything that can produce pleasure in a person's brain is capable of creating an addiction. Some things are more addictive than others. Chocolate and heroin, for example, can both be addictive - but heroin much more so. 

    Addiction takes three primary forms - psychological, habitual, and physical. Once a person is addicted, their judgment is impaired. Yes, they still have free will, and yes, they still can choose to desist from the addictive behavior. But it can be very hard for them - especially if the addiction produces strong physical side effects.

    A person can quit smoking. People quit smoking all the time. That doesn't mean it isn't really hard to quit, because smoking hammers away at all three addictive forms - psychological, habitual, and physical.   

    I'm not sure where gaming fits into this matrix. I haven't read the studies the WHO relied on. Probably it is more psychological and habitual. 

    In my personal, unproven, undocumented, unscientific opinion, a person addicted to gaming is probably seeking psychological refuge in games as an escape from something that they can't or don't want to cope with in real life.  Not so much that gaming itself is pernicious somehow as an addictive behavior. Take that for what it's worth.
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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,687
    Amathe said:
    Or maybe you could learn the difference between announcing that an organization has reached a determination, and personally endorsing the merits of that determination.
    ...if you were bothered to actualy think about it, you would understand that it is one and the same.
    AmatheKyleran
  • GutlardGutlard Member RarePosts: 839
    bcbully said:
    What about the physical ailments of this brutal disease?? Wrist pain, digit numbness. Are they at least gonna prescribe some percs??? 
    Don't they just call that puberty?  B)  ;)

    Gut Out!
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  • GutlardGutlard Member RarePosts: 839
    Amathe said:
    The 50s were almost 70 years ago. There have been quite a few advancements in science and medicine since then. For example, physicians no longer endorse cigarettes in advertisements. Lobotomies are no longer done. The list goes on and on. But the fact of progress in knowledge is not a sound basis to deny new knowledge. 

    I'm still waiting for them to get to a point where they can wave a small machine over us to cure most things, like in Star Trek, and yet even as advanced as they are then they STILL need to give shots!

    Gut Out!

    What, me worry?

  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 5,732
    edited June 4
    Gutlard said:
    I'm still waiting for them to get to a point where they can wave a small machine over us to cure most things, like in Star Trek, and yet even as advanced as they are then they STILL need to give shots!

    Gut Out!
    What I need waved over me from Star Trek is Yeoman Rand.

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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,157
    Amathe said:
    Gaming isn't an illness or mental disorder, it's a choice...just like drugs, alcohol, or anything else we choose to do.
    Anything that can produce pleasure in a person's brain is capable of creating an addiction. Some things are more addictive than others. Chocolate and heroin, for example, can both be addictive - but heroin much more so. 

    Addiction takes three primary forms - psychological, habitual, and physical. Once a person is addicted, their judgment is impaired. Yes, they still have free will, and yes, they still can choose to desist from the addictive behavior. But it can be very hard for them - especially if the addiction produces strong physical side effects.

    A person can quit smoking. People quit smoking all the time. That doesn't mean it isn't really hard to quit, because smoking hammers away at all three addictive forms - psychological, habitual, and physical.   

    I'm not sure where gaming fits into this matrix. I haven't read the studies the WHO relied on. Probably it is more psychological and habitual. 

    In my personal, unproven, undocumented, unscientific opinion, a person addicted to gaming is probably seeking psychological refuge in games as an escape from something that they can't or don't want to cope with in real life.  Not so much that gaming itself is pernicious somehow as an addictive behavior. Take that for what it's worth.
    Quitting smoking is easy, I've done it a million times ;)

    On a serious note I smoked for 33 years and quit 6 years ago cold turkey. I tried quite a few times before that but was always unsuccessful. In the end it was easy, I believe I was just ready, I didn't really enjoy it anymore, I knew inside that I was just smoking because I was addicted and that realization made quitting that much easier for me.
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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 5,732
    laserit said:
    Quitting smoking is easy, I've done it a million times ;)

    On a serious note I smoked for 33 years and quit 6 years ago cold turkey. I tried quite a few times before that but was always unsuccessful. In the end it was easy, I believe I was just ready, I didn't really enjoy it anymore, I knew inside that I was just smoking because I was addicted and that realization made quitting that much easier for me.
    Nice Mark Twain reference. :) 

    I also quit after many years of smoking. While there were many reasons why I should have wanted to quit, in the end I really just got tired of having to stop what I was doing all the time to go smoke. What a pain in the ass that was.
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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 2,690
    Amathe said:
    laserit said:
    Quitting smoking is easy, I've done it a million times ;)

    On a serious note I smoked for 33 years and quit 6 years ago cold turkey. I tried quite a few times before that but was always unsuccessful. In the end it was easy, I believe I was just ready, I didn't really enjoy it anymore, I knew inside that I was just smoking because I was addicted and that realization made quitting that much easier for me.
    Nice Mark Twain reference. :) 

    I also quit after many years of smoking. While there were many reasons why I should have wanted to quit, in the end I really just got tired of having to stop what I was doing all the time to go smoke. What a pain in the ass that was.
    Thought that was a Bernard Shaw reference? 
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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 5,732
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  • HashbrickHashbrick Member RarePosts: 1,851
    Amathe said:
    laserit said:
    Quitting smoking is easy, I've done it a million times ;)

    On a serious note I smoked for 33 years and quit 6 years ago cold turkey. I tried quite a few times before that but was always unsuccessful. In the end it was easy, I believe I was just ready, I didn't really enjoy it anymore, I knew inside that I was just smoking because I was addicted and that realization made quitting that much easier for me.
    Nice Mark Twain reference. :) 

    I also quit after many years of smoking. While there were many reasons why I should have wanted to quit, in the end I really just got tired of having to stop what I was doing all the time to go smoke. What a pain in the ass that was.
    So lawmakers made you quit, interesting...
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    Amathe said:
    laserit said:
    Quitting smoking is easy, I've done it a million times ;)

    On a serious note I smoked for 33 years and quit 6 years ago cold turkey. I tried quite a few times before that but was always unsuccessful. In the end it was easy, I believe I was just ready, I didn't really enjoy it anymore, I knew inside that I was just smoking because I was addicted and that realization made quitting that much easier for me.
    Nice Mark Twain reference. :) 

    I also quit after many years of smoking. While there were many reasons why I should have wanted to quit, in the end I really just got tired of having to stop what I was doing all the time to go smoke. What a pain in the ass that was.
    Thought that was a Bernard Shaw reference? 
    Shaw referencing Twain? :D 
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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 2,690
    Amathelaserit
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  • PhaserlightPhaserlight Member EpicPosts: 2,906
    DMKano said:
    Xasapis said:
    A great excuse to pump kids with drugs, guilt free.

    Except that game addiction is not treated with drugs but with therapy.

    Behavior modification and counseling - that's how its done.

    Non substance addiction disorders are rarely if ever treated with medication.


    Sorry mate, this just isn't true. 

    From PsychGuides.com on Video Game Addiction Treatment

    "Treatment for video game addiction is similar to that for other addictions. Counseling and behavior modification are the primary means of treating addicted gamers. Together, individual and family counseling are powerful treatment tools. Some treatment facilities incorporate medication in their programs."

    "Although clinical trials are in the early stages, there is some indication that certain medications help video game addicts by altering their brain chemistry to reduce the urge to play. Buproprion, in particular, has appeared to offer help to some addicts by inhibiting norepinephrine and dopamine reuptake. A six-week trial showed that those taking the drug experienced fewer cravings to play."

    I can find a lot more resources, clinical trials, research and articles regarding similar methods. And this is just the beginning. When there's a disease/disorder, there's a market. When there's a market, there are going to be products. 

    Psychiatry is based on medications, not therapy.
    Ugh.  Buproprion.  Want to feel flat all the time with random, intermittent bouts of nervous anger?  Tangoed with that devil for a year back in 2011.  I expect antidepressants will one day be viewed like antibiotics in the medical world.
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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 5,732
    They also need to add "Gaming Website Disorder."
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