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Did Video Gamers (or Mmorpg gamers) Invent Whinging About Game Design?



  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 2,691
    I'm about to look up "whinging" on Urban Dictionary.  Should I be afraid?
    Just whing it mate. 
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  • GorweGorwe Member EpicPosts: 6,307
    How is whinge even pronounced? I once heard it in Dragon's Dogma, but nowhere else lol.

    With that said, I always have and always will "whine" about balance, underpowered skills / characters / units and their overpowered / nigh mandatory counterparts. Even when I played Diablo or Starcraft or Civ. I remember I loved to play as France in Civ3 because...Industrious + Commercial, perfectly efficient. Half the build time for workers, yo! AND I can just flatout purchase shit due to Commercial. The same for Guild Wars. I always liked playing thematic builds like Weapon Rit or Ashes Rit, but it simply wasn't that effective due to some skills being, well, quite meh. And that bothered me.

    It's not an MMO thing, to be sure.
  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    I'm about to look up "whinging" on Urban Dictionary.  Should I be afraid?
    Always  ;)
  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 6,149

    Whinging explanation at .42

    EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests

  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,200
    edited May 29
    Amathe said:
    That’s how you own it!

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  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,233
    btdt said:
    The whining began the moment the players thought they had the developer' ear.

    Back in the day, you never heard a peep about a game until it was released.  Only paid game testers ever saw the light of day in an alpha or beta. 

    So in reality, the whining is the result of the developers having an open discussion with the players... that and their greed over not paying people to test their games anymore and having players do it for free.

    The crap is what it is because of them quite frankly.  No one needed to know shit about a game before it was released.  No one.  Now we know too much.  Now we think we are the developers.

    We got exactly what we asked for... early access to crappy design that quite frankly we designed.
    SWG was the first game to have a dedicated forum officially associated with it. And the whiners took to it in droves to kill SWG.

    I have been on both sides of this coin. I used to think writing up pages of complaints and what I felt were good solutions (I used to test a lot of games) and presenting that was the way to go. Then I began to realize, he who cries loudest and longest gets his way. Now I look at things a lot like @Scorchien I have to do X to get Y? M'ok, whatever...

    I tend to agree, on this we are our own worst enemies once again, we keep buying into these three-ring shit shows and they keep making them.

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