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Prime_DirectivePrime_Directive Member RarePosts: 1,518
edited May 23 in The Pub at MMORPG.COM
for something new, but are all ready and set to jump back to a garbage title from 2004 ? What universe is this ? 
There is a multiverse inside our minds which millions live.
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  • ArteriusArterius Member EpicPosts: 2,017
    World of Warcraft came out November 2004. In all seriousness I am looking forward to Pantheon, if and when that game comes out. Guess that really isn't any better as that is a spiritual successor to EQ but you know...
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  • Prime_DirectivePrime_Directive Member RarePosts: 1,518
    Arterius said:
    World of Warcraft came out November 2004. In all seriousness I am looking forward to Pantheon, if and when that game comes out. Guess that really isn't any better as that is a spiritual successor to EQ but you know...
    You are right cause I was playing Lineage 2 in 2003. 
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  • ArteriusArterius Member EpicPosts: 2,017
    Arterius said:
    World of Warcraft came out November 2004. In all seriousness I am looking forward to Pantheon, if and when that game comes out. Guess that really isn't any better as that is a spiritual successor to EQ but you know...
    You are right cause I was playing Lineage 2 in 2003. 
    To be honest I had to look it up because 2005 seemed a little late but not by much. I just remember moving to RI (My dad was in the military) and people talking about it on the bus. That was in late 2004. I tried to be cool and talk about it too without playing it because my parents wouldn't pay the monthly fee. They were nice about it though thinking back on it. Now that I have played it you could tell I was talking out of my ass. Making up a server name and what not
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,295
    for something new, but are all ready and set to jump back to a garbage title from 2004 ? What universe is this ? 
    I can only presume you mean world of warcraft?

    1, why do you care
    2, Are the same people who want something new the one's wanting to jump back? And if so ...
    3, All creative genres, whether it's movies, music, theater, art, whatever you've got, have an audience for earlier examples of those genres.

    • Shakespeare in the park? Huge thing in many cities
    • Though not prevalent in many cities, Opera Houses do thrive in some
    • Early music concerts do happen. Not only "early" popular music but also early as in renaissance and before (middle ages)
    • Old Literature is still read
    • Vintage TV shows are a thing and people enjoy reliving their favorites when they were young, etc, etc.
    So it's ok to want new things AND to enjoy older favorites. And none of it negatively effects you as you don't have to play.

    I mean, what's the issue? Are you afraid because of this nothing "new" will ever happen again? Because that's not going to happen.

    And perhaps those people clamoring for something new are different people that will be jumping into World of Warcraft.

    It's a many layered cake there.
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  • Prime_DirectivePrime_Directive Member RarePosts: 1,518
    edited May 23
    Sovrath said:
    for something new, but are all ready and set to jump back to a garbage title from 2004 ? What universe is this ? 
    I can only presume you mean world of warcraft?

    1, why do you care
     
    It ends up impeding the growth of the entire genre. It creates a one flavor for all stigma that just sets the bar so low for developers you end up with something like Fortnite. 

    I shouldn't care this much about what developers does, but to watch so many fun titles die because of the lack /o/ numbers, is just enough . Enough is enough with this stale unimaginative garbage. 
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  • Prime_DirectivePrime_Directive Member RarePosts: 1,518
    edited May 23
    Sovrath said:


    • Shakespeare in the park? Huge thing in many cities

    You mean when they ran up and stabbed the President as "Art". THis is what I mean, you list all these things and never take the time to really think of every angle that impedes others.

    I'm at the point of  watching this completely grotesque disturbing timeline of people so lazy in development they just hit rewind and sell the exact same thing over again ?!?!?!?!!? #WTMFHTWCT
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  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 794
    edited May 23
    for something new, but are all ready and set to jump back to a garbage title from 2004 ? What universe is this ? 
    And why is this strange?
    If there is nothing new worth playing, people turns to the closest thing to fun that is available, which happens to be a 2004 MMO.

    That says more about the sorry state of the MMO industry (or the little there is left), than the alleged players schizophrenia.

    Call it desperation if you will, but I wouldn't blame players for this situation.

  • Prime_DirectivePrime_Directive Member RarePosts: 1,518
    Ever hear of the term "Learn from the past but never repeat it " ?  Are we in the Matrix right now ? I feel like this is not reality ... 

    c:\white rabbit ?
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  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 3,019
    I don't really understand the point of this rant.
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  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 794
    Ever hear of the term "Learn from the past but never repeat it " ?  Are we in the Matrix right now ? I feel like this is not reality ... 

    c:\white rabbit ?
    You what?

  • Mylan12Mylan12 Member UncommonPosts: 222
    for something new, but are all ready and set to jump back to a garbage title from 2004 ? What universe is this ? 
    Apparently the universe in which not much worth playing has been made since 2004 or these people would not be jumping back to the past. The solution is simple, the developers need to get off their rears and make something worth playing.
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  • btdtbtdt Member RarePosts: 516
    Hate to tell you this but pretty much everything repeats itself.

    What was once old is new again... given enough time.

    If classic is killing the genre... then it's already dead.

    Don't blame the messenger.

    And technically speaking... classic is new for a lot of folks and for those who have done it before... it's still new because this version of classic is not the same.

    Reality check my friend.
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  • GorweGorwe Member EpicPosts: 6,197
    This isn't strange at all. But, the main question is: "Are people clamoring for new stuff and people willing to play good ole games, the same people?". Knowing Big 5, I'm extremely reluctant to group them together, but Classic could be "new" to some. So, there's that as well.

    I also like to replay good ole games, watch good ole TV(even Enterprise is better than this Discovery travesty) and read good ole books. But, I do not "clamor" for new things, hell, I'm wary of those. I'd rather have Dungeon Siege 1 + 2 Remaster(real one, not the NWN EE joke type) than DS 4 tbh. Guess there could be more people like me? /shrug
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  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 6,593
    Maybe that just goes to show you how trash the current mmorpg scene is. You have titles that can't even make content persistent within the same expansion anymore (hell bfa has been impressive enough to make it questionable if its even worth farming raids to get ready for the next tier now since they keep flip flopping more than a fish on progression thanks to this garbage azerite system which people pretty much told them would be garbage when they finally got to test the actual gear towards the end of cbt when it finally got presented to them).

    Over the past 10~ years, publishers/developers have been trying to appeal to a crowd that only sees games as a stop-gap to something else. They're trying to market a mmorpg to a battle royale/moba crowd and wondering why their numbers are hemorrhaging. Sure, making a mmorpg for people that actually want to play an actual mmorpg and not a log in simulator will make them less money but hey, there are some developers that actually care about making a world over a quick buck. The only issue I'm seeing with classic atm is people aren't being realistic about it. The beta feels like classic >>> FOR NOW <<<. At the end of the day, the same people are still in charge.
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  • Prime_DirectivePrime_Directive Member RarePosts: 1,518
    Gorwe said:
    This isn't strange at all. But, the main question is: "Are people clamoring for new stuff and people willing to play good ole games, the same people?". Knowing Big 5, I'm extremely reluctant to group them together, but Classic could be "new" to some. So, there's that as well.

    I also like to replay good ole games, watch good ole TV(even Enterprise is better than this Discovery travesty) and read good ole books. But, I do not "clamor" for new things, hell, I'm wary of those. I'd rather have Dungeon Siege 1 + 2 Remaster(real one, not the NWN EE joke type) than DS 4 tbh. Guess there could be more people like me? /shrug
    Even tv isn't safe, GoT ending was a disater.
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  • Prime_DirectivePrime_Directive Member RarePosts: 1,518
    We're in the Matrix folks, go about your business like nothing is wrong <.<   >.> o.o
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  • Viper482Viper482 Member EpicPosts: 2,760
    for something new, but are all ready and set to jump back to a garbage title from 2004 ? What universe is this ? 

    You obviously don't understand the actual premise of the "whine and cry". Either way....you started a whine thread about whining. You lose.
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  • phoenixfire2phoenixfire2 Member UncommonPosts: 90
    Old games were better than new games.  They had heart, soul and personality and generally the people who made them, cared about their creation.  Today, gaming is just a clinic on how to milk desperate people out of as much money as possible as quickly as possible before they realize what they're playing is complete trash; or worse yet, keep them hooked by using the worst parts of themselves through predatory gambling practices, like the mini-casino Black Desert Online for example.
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  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,536
    edited May 24
    Old games were better than new games.  They had heart, soul and personality and generally the people who made them, cared about their creation.  Today, gaming is just a clinic on how to milk desperate people out of as much money as possible as quickly as possible before they realize what they're playing is complete trash; or worse yet, keep them hooked by using the worst parts of themselves through predatory gambling practices, like the mini-casino Black Desert Online for example.

    Older games were more catered to the playerbase 15 years ago which was a lot more RPG centric.

    As the playerbase grew and their preferences changed so did games. Look at what majority teenagers play today - they dislike the old school mmorpg playstyle as it's boring and slow to them.

    To have a blanket statement that games were "better" is IMO incorrect- they were better for the players who liked gen1 rpg centric, slower paced games with deeper gameplay systems, but not better to majority of today's playerbase.

     players who like fast action based gameplay have zero interest in slow mmorpg combat like EQ1 vanilla and WoW classic.

    Also you are mistaken about developers today not caring about the games they make - they care as much as they ever did. Fortnite devs are deeply passionate as are Overwatch devs etc... 

    Fortnite has heart and soul and personality if you ask fans of the game - they will tell you this, saying that only old games had it simply shows your bias and preference for old school gen1 mmorpg gameplay.


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  • phoenixfire2phoenixfire2 Member UncommonPosts: 90
    They were better in the same way that the cookies your grandma baked you for your 12th birthday were better than getting some chips ahoy.  More like a warm, inviting embrace prepared with thought, care, direction and purpose made specifically for you to enjoy them thoroughly than a cold and empty shell.

    I didn't claim that today's developers didn't care about their games, though that may have seemed implied, I'm sure some do.  I'm also sure to some they're just a paycheck, but that's to be expected in any field.  I do believe that older games were created with more TLC.  More like passion projects than currency printing machines.

    I'm not trying to hide my bias.  EverQuest is my favorite game of all time.  I wouldn't touch Fortnite with a 10 foot pole, but I'm not dismissive of those who enjoy it.  It's a highly successful game and something of a cultural phenomenon that hasn't been seen since oldschool WoW.

    Ultimately, I'm not trying to back up my sentiment that older games are better than newer games with scientific evidence.  It's simply my opinion.
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,295
    Sovrath said:


    • Shakespeare in the park? Huge thing in many cities

    You mean when they ran up and stabbed the President as "Art". THis is what I mean, you list all these things and never take the time to really think of every angle that impedes others.

    I'm at the point of  watching this completely grotesque disturbing timeline of people so lazy in development they just hit rewind and sell the exact same thing over again ?!?!?!?!!? #WTMFHTWCT
    I really don't know what you are talking about but just because some nut case stabs someone "as art" doesn't invalidate actual art and theater. By that logic we should all stay inside and never do anything because someone is going to run with it and hurt people. Can't have people outside in stadiums!



    Every angle that impedes others? I'm fairly certain that if people are enjoying something it shouldn't be discontinued because another faction of people feel it's keeping them back. Especially since that group of people can just go ahead and make it happen themselves.

    I don't know where you live but I live in a place where people are watching Ballet, going to a folk shows, Seeing comedy, listening to alternative music, watching string quartets, going to sports games, etc all on the same day, and all of it is different than all of it and no one is put out because others are doing their thing.





  • blamo2000blamo2000 Member RarePosts: 953
    edited May 24
    for something new, but are all ready and set to jump back to a garbage title from 2004 ? What universe is this ? 
    I definitely want something new as long as it is interesting to me and values what I value.  Since there is nothing new doing this that I know of (besides the two super hero games being made possibly) I'll take something old I can't get any more that is interesting to me and values what I value.


    What is far more important to me than new, old, good graphics, bad graphics, etc., is something I like and want to play.  New generally means complete garbage for children, with extremely basic gameplay and systems.  I'll take Classic eight days a week over that kind of new.  
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  • Viper482Viper482 Member EpicPosts: 2,760
    DMKano said:
    Old games were better than new games.  They had heart, soul and personality and generally the people who made them, cared about their creation.  Today, gaming is just a clinic on how to milk desperate people out of as much money as possible as quickly as possible before they realize what they're playing is complete trash; or worse yet, keep them hooked by using the worst parts of themselves through predatory gambling practices, like the mini-casino Black Desert Online for example.

    Older games were more catered to the playerbase 15 years ago which was a lot more RPG centric.

    As the playerbase grew and their preferences changed so did games. Look at what majority teenagers play today - they dislike the old school mmorpg playstyle as it's boring and slow to them.

    To have a blanket statement that games were "better" is IMO incorrect- they were better for the players who liked gen1 rpg centric, slower paced games with deeper gameplay systems, but not better to majority of today's playerbase.

     players who like fast action based gameplay have zero interest in slow mmorpg combat like EQ1 vanilla and WoW classic.

    Also you are mistaken about developers today not caring about the games they make - they care as much as they ever did. Fortnite devs are deeply passionate as are Overwatch devs etc... 

    Fortnite has heart and soul and personality if you ask fans of the game - they will tell you this, saying that only old games had it simply shows your bias and preference for old school gen1 mmorpg gameplay.



    Captain Obvious.....did you ever consider people saying the older games are better are older gamers? You always post as if you are the smartest guy in the thread, but most of it is obvious, condescending, and much of the time anecdotal drivel. The fact is PC gaming used to be a niche thing and there was no massive crossover into consoles until recent years. So no kidding, "the player base grew and their preferences with it", you say. Yes, and gaming changed to cater to the masses instead of the niche. Most who complain about shit gaming today are part of the old school niche. So yes, we will think the old way was better, get over it. Just because you are cool with the trash that is pc gaming in 2019 does not mean everyone will. Get over yourself. And the only devs matching the heart of niche pc gaming are Indie devs that do not answer to big name publishers who want to cater to the masses.
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  • Viper482Viper482 Member EpicPosts: 2,760
    They were better in the same way that the cookies your grandma baked you for your 12th birthday were better than getting some chips ahoy.  More like a warm, inviting embrace prepared with thought, care, direction and purpose made specifically for you to enjoy them thoroughly than a cold and empty shell.

    I didn't claim that today's developers didn't care about their games, though that may have seemed implied, I'm sure some do.  I'm also sure to some they're just a paycheck, but that's to be expected in any field.  I do believe that older games were created with more TLC.  More like passion projects than currency printing machines.

    I'm not trying to hide my bias.  EverQuest is my favorite game of all time.  I wouldn't touch Fortnite with a 10 foot pole, but I'm not dismissive of those who enjoy it.  It's a highly successful game and something of a cultural phenomenon that hasn't been seen since oldschool WoW.

    Ultimately, I'm not trying to back up my sentiment that older games are better than newer games with scientific evidence.  It's simply my opinion.
    You'll have to forgive DMKano, he thinks his "facts" (opinions passed off as facts that is) trump your opinions.
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  • ForeverdreamForeverdream Member UncommonPosts: 124
    so many good games and yet i see people crying and whining. 

    Just pick a random one and try it out. 

    You're more than welcome to play Age of conan with me! Or Dauntless!  If you've already played those and don't like them, click the games list, scroll pick a random (or one that sounds cool) title and play. 

    Everyones wanting another mmo phenomenon and it's not going to happen.  
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