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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 15,990
    edited June 6
    Well there is a LOT more to the story than a simple pull out.
    I see this as actually a completely fair and honest way to operate the store front,an idea that Steam would not adhere to because Steam is a scummy operation.

    First of all look at the game ....Bloodlines 2,a game that i already have noticed is getting a lot of early marketing and imo will be a really bad game.I just mentioned the other day that i believe the developer is hoping to scam people by trying to sell it off for way more than it is worth.

    So the intent here is to say that Epic is doing something wrong?Epic says they will honor any price offered and that devs can opt out of sales.That is FAIR to everyone and Epic is the ONLY loser out the ordeal,so how does that make Epic look bad,because they might lose money?


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  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 583
    Wizardry said:

    So the intent here is to say that Epic is doing something wrong?Epic says they will honor any price offered and that devs can opt out of sales.That is FAIR to everyone and Epic is the ONLY loser out the ordeal,so how does that make Epic look bad,because they might lose money?


    Epic is burning Fortnite money to get shares of the market with cheap tactics, offering free games, lower commissions, and exclusives to over compensate for the lack of games and the shitty store layout they provide.

    All of this won't last, it's just marketing, this is how big corporations work.
    They throw marketing gimmicks to cover their crappy products (Anthem and FO76 docet) hoping the customer won't notice the mediocrity of their products.

    What Epic is doing, is apparently good for the customers now.
    Once they get hold of the market, they will do what other big corporations do, which is bend the customers 90 degrees and sticking it up their bum (pardon my French).
    GdemamiRusque
  • GutlardGutlard Member RarePosts: 612
    Well, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm going to enjoy the free games (which are usually all highly rated) and buy the few games I'm interested in from them while on sale.

    Then, when they start screwing gamers over I'll assume the usual position we're all used to at this point...

    Gut Out!
    Cryomatrix

    What, me worry?

  • lahnmirlahnmir Member EpicPosts: 2,461
    TEKK3N said:
    Wizardry said:

    So the intent here is to say that Epic is doing something wrong?Epic says they will honor any price offered and that devs can opt out of sales.That is FAIR to everyone and Epic is the ONLY loser out the ordeal,so how does that make Epic look bad,because they might lose money?


    Epic is burning Fortnite money to get shares of the market with cheap tactics, offering free games, lower commissions, and exclusives to over compensate for the lack of games and the shitty store layout they provide.

    All of this won't last, it's just marketing, this is how big corporations work.
    They throw marketing gimmicks to cover their crappy products (Anthem and FO76 docet) hoping the customer won't notice the mediocrity of their products.

    What Epic is doing, is apparently good for the customers now.
    Once they get hold of the market, they will do what other big corporations do, which is bend the customers 90 degrees and sticking it up their bum (pardon my French).
    Thats a lot of assumption to be honest. I see no reason to crucify people/companies/animals for what they might or might not do in the future.

    And when you compare the games on offer in the Epic store with those on Steam its pretty clear who has to do a bigger cover up of crappy games....

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,450
    edited June 7
    lahnmir said:
    TEKK3N said:
    Wizardry said:

    So the intent here is to say that Epic is doing something wrong?Epic says they will honor any price offered and that devs can opt out of sales.That is FAIR to everyone and Epic is the ONLY loser out the ordeal,so how does that make Epic look bad,because they might lose money?


    Epic is burning Fortnite money to get shares of the market with cheap tactics, offering free games, lower commissions, and exclusives to over compensate for the lack of games and the shitty store layout they provide.

    All of this won't last, it's just marketing, this is how big corporations work.
    They throw marketing gimmicks to cover their crappy products (Anthem and FO76 docet) hoping the customer won't notice the mediocrity of their products.

    What Epic is doing, is apparently good for the customers now.
    Once they get hold of the market, they will do what other big corporations do, which is bend the customers 90 degrees and sticking it up their bum (pardon my French).
    Thats a lot of assumption to be honest. I see no reason to crucify people/companies/animals for what they might or might not do in the future.

    And when you compare the games on offer in the Epic store with those on Steam its pretty clear who has to do a bigger cover up of crappy games....

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    What you mean?  Steam only provides the finest gaming experiences to their users.  Like this one:

    https://store.steampowered.com/app/247730/Nether_Resurrected/

    Check out these rave reviews of this re-release of a previously failed title (that Steam ALSO had no problem selling, EVEN after the devs abandoned it!):

    "It was a garbage game at release
    It was a garbage game after releasing "Resurrected"
    Development has been taken over my a developer known for cheating and all around scummy practices.

    You really outdid yourselves on this one guys, I think I can officially say that this is the WORST game I have in my steam library."

    "don't waste your money. get the new version when it releases. (the exact same game but more updates)
    https://store.steampowered.com/app/1010270/Nether_The_Untold_Chapter/

    I still love this game no matter how empty, ugly and buggy it seems (personally liked the world design). I paid like $30-40 on day one, so $5 is a steal. but again, might as well wait for new version if you want to play with full servers."

    That's right: the developer has already started on yet another "remake" of the game, and Steam is still selling the old version, which is actually the old new version, which eventually replaced the old old version that had been abandoned!  Because Steam is the "gamer's" storefront!  (And this post doesn't even mention Titov, who absolutely adores Valve by now, I'm sure!)

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  • IsilithTehrothIsilithTehroth Member UncommonPosts: 438
    elveone said:
    TEKK3N said:
    AAAMEOW said:
    Xasapis said:



    You buy a game for 50$, 15$ goes to steam...  

    You buy 50$ pokicoin for pokemon go, 15$ go to google...

    That is ridiculous how much we pay for "just a plateform".

    Steam is a digital distributor, a digital shop. It works the same way as any other retail store like Gamestop or Neweggs or Walmart.
    30% is more or less the same commission any other store gets from selling a game, it's not something out of the ordinary.
    That's why publishers keep selling their games through Steam.
    If it was an outrageous fee to pay, do you really think publishers like Bethesda would sell their games there, even though they have their own store?

    If the commission was 15% instead of 30%, do you really think that the saving will be passed to the customer?
    If you think so, you are really naive.

    The standard cost of a new game is £49.99 in UK, that's what the marked decided it's a fair a consumer should pay for it (whether we agree with it or not).
    If retailers (like Steam) decides to slash their commission fee, the only ones to gain out of it would be the publishers not the consumer, as the game will still be sold at £49.99 regardless.

    Steam provides a service, and I am happy to spend my money there, if publishers get less money I could not care less.

    Fallout 4 on Bethesda Store = $29,99 (always)
    Fallout 4 on Steam = $9.99 (at least 3 times a year)

    Games sold on the developer proprietary shops are always sold full price (and they don't even have to pay the retailer commission).
    Still complaining about Steam 30% fee?


    It is not about prices being lower. It is about money going to the people who actually develop the products people enjoy instead of going to storefront owners who use them either to enrich their management or develop products that are unrelated to the whole game production cycle.
    Cmon we all know that extra money is not going to the developers themselves. Its just going to the CEO bonus at big publishers/companies and if there are any investors. Those small indie teams wouldn't sell anywhere near the amount they would otherwise unless their product was good and even then they can make their own store front; like rimworld and countless other hit indie games.
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  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 583
    edited June 15


    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    What you mean?  Steam only provides the finest gaming experiences to their users.  Like this one:

    https://store.steampowered.com/app/247730/Nether_Resurrected/

    Check out these rave reviews of this re-release of a previously failed title (that Steam ALSO had no problem selling, EVEN after the devs abandoned it!):


    I think you are missing the big picture here, you are only focusing on the negative.
    When you publish thousands of Indie games it's physiologic to have a good chunk of them which turn out to be bad.
    Pointing out that Steam still makes money out of them is ridiculous.
    Did Amazon stopped selling FO76 just because it was crap? I don't think so.
    So why Steam should be singled out?

    Steam is an excellent platform for Indie developers, it gives small Teams the chance to showcase their games to the world (because of that we have games like Divinity, NMS, ARK and so on), something EPIC is not doing.
    They prefer to undercut Steam on AAA games burning Fortnite money like there is no tomorrow, instead of slowly and patiently building their library with Indie games.
    Their aggressive behavior without the means to back it up, is the problem I have with EPIC.

    Today this aggressive behavior is aimed at Steam, tomorrow will be the customers, you can bet on it. This apparent "generosity" expressed by Epic won't last long, it's either they kill Steam and they take over, or they shut shop, there is no room for two universal game digital distributors on the Internet (almost everything is a monopoly on the Internet, I don't know if you noticed it).
    I rather have Steam having the monopoly of Digital Distribution, rather than Epic, EA or Google.


    GdemamiMadFrenchie
  • AAAMEOWAAAMEOW Member UncommonPosts: 942
    i find it silly to complain about bad game on steam...  Because you can just ignore it.

    But I don't know why OP keep trying to paint steam to be some innocent "small guy".  Steam is not a small guy...  Anyhow I'm sure most of people are too lazy to install 2 plateform unless they have to.
    Gdemami
  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 583
    edited June 15
    AAAMEOW said:
    i find it silly to complain about bad game on steam...  Because you can just ignore it.

    But I don't know why OP keep trying to paint steam to be some innocent "small guy".  Steam is not a small guy...  Anyhow I'm sure most of people are too lazy to install 2 plateform unless they have to.
    Look, Steam is not small, but it started small, and slowly they got where they are now.
    I am not trying to say that Steam are the good guys, every company is about making money and Steam is not an exception.

    But Steam compared to other gaming companies can still be considerate as a "family run business", they do not depend too much from stock market restrains, so they still have some room to deliver a product that is somewhat customer focused, a bit like Bioware before being bought by Electronic Arts.
    Basically the difference between Bioware pre-EA and Bioware post-EA is the reason why I am making such a fuss about Steam.

    Steam is the Bioware before EA, EPIC is the Bioware after EA.
    Since gaming digital download is going to be a monopoly, like everything else on the Internet, I rather have Valve owning this monopoly than EPIC.

    When Steam will be bought by Google or Amazon (I am sure it will happen at some point), I might change my view on Steam.

    Gdemami
  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 5,933
    TEKK3N said:
    AAAMEOW said:
    i find it silly to complain about bad game on steam...  Because you can just ignore it.

    But I don't know why OP keep trying to paint steam to be some innocent "small guy".  Steam is not a small guy...  Anyhow I'm sure most of people are too lazy to install 2 plateform unless they have to.
    <snip>

    Steam Epic is the Bioware before EA, EPIC Steam is the Bioware after EA.
    <snip>

      
  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 583
    edited June 15
    gervaise1 said:
    TEKK3N said:

    <snip>

    Steam Epic is the Bioware before EA, EPIC Steam is the Bioware after EA.
    <snip>

    Can you elaborate on this?
    I am actually curious why you think it that way.

    Valve is a private owned Company (Gabe Newell 50%) while Tencent Holdings who owns the majority Stock of Epic (40%) is a public company quoted on the Shenzen (China) Stock Market.

    I don't get how your analogy works.
    Gdemami
  • MisterZebubMisterZebub Member EpicPosts: 3,468
    TEKK3N said:
    gervaise1 said:
    TEKK3N said:

    <snip>

    Steam Epic is the Bioware before EA, EPIC Steam is the Bioware after EA.
    <snip>

    Can you elaborate on this?
    I am actually curious why you think it that way.

    Valve is a private owned Company (Gabe Newell 50%) while Tencent Holdings who owns the majority Stock of Epic (40%) is a public company quoted on the Shenzen (China) Stock Market.

    I don't get how your analogy works.
    I'd say its more like Steam is Sears and Roebuck or Monkey-Wards, while Epic in its current state is more like Poundland or US dollar stores.


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  • bartoni33bartoni33 Member RarePosts: 1,992
    Seeing this thread pop up I decided to take a second look at the store. Guess what? Sale is over and what do ya know now their are a bunch of preorder games back up.

    Use key sites folks for all your discounted preorder needs, or GMG sometimes.

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  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 583
    edited June 15
    bartoni33 said:
    Seeing this thread pop up I decided to take a second look at the store. Guess what? Sale is over and what do ya know now their are a bunch of preorder games back up.

    Use key sites folks for all your discounted preorder needs, or GMG sometimes.

    Exactly my point. It was just a marketing move.

    Meanwhile on Steam sales are still going strong as usually, week in week out.

    I don't get why people think that a company like Epic owned by a Chinese mega corporation who base their business on microtransaction, could offer a better value for money than Steam.
    GdemamiMadFrenchie
  • bartoni33bartoni33 Member RarePosts: 1,992
    TEKK3N said:
    bartoni33 said:
    Seeing this thread pop up I decided to take a second look at the store. Guess what? Sale is over and what do ya know now their are a bunch of preorder games back up.

    Use key sites folks for all your discounted preorder needs, or GMG sometimes.

    Exactly my point. It was just a marketing move.

    Meanwhile on Steam sales are still going strong as usually, week in week out.

    I don't get why people think that a company like Epic owned by a Chinese mega corporation who base their business on microtransaction, could offer a better value for money than Steam.
    That's not the point I was trying to make.

    My point is that the greedy Devs/publishers/whoever took down their games during the sale in the first place. That's the shitty part. I don't blame Epic Store for that. They were discounting games. That's a good thing no matter what their "agenda" might be. ALWAYS be for the consumer, not the corporations. The Epic Store is new and quite honestly pretty bare boned. I don't expect them to try to keep up with Steam for awhile.
    Gdemami

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  • lahnmirlahnmir Member EpicPosts: 2,461
    Funny thing, during the last days of sale the Ubisoft games came back and The Division 2 was actually cheaper in the Epic sale then in the Ubisoft sale. Not only that, Watchdogs 2, FarCry Primal ed. got added as well, on sale. Gues Ubisoft is pretty happy with the Epic store.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
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  • mmoloummolou Member UncommonPosts: 178
    TEKK3N said:
    I think you are missing the big picture here, you are only focusing on the negative.


    Classic example of the pot calling the kettle....
  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 583
    edited June 16
    lahnmir said:
    Funny thing, during the last days of sale the Ubisoft games came back and The Division 2 was actually cheaper in the Epic sale then in the Ubisoft sale. Not only that, Watchdogs 2, FarCry Primal ed. got added as well, on sale. Gues Ubisoft is pretty happy with the Epic store.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    It's not unusual at all.
    Publishers are generally forbidden by contract to make better prices than Distributors.
    What Steam does with the publishers is the same Walmart or Gamestop or Epic do when they sign a distribution contract with any Publisher.

    mmolou said:
    TEKK3N said:
    I think you are missing the big picture here, you are only focusing on the negative.


    Classic example of the pot calling the kettle....
    Maybe.
    But while I am trying to explain why Steam is good value (though it has its negative too = monopoly), I have yet to hear a single good argument for the Epic store.
    -The Store layout is crap.
    -The free games and discounts are just temporary (unlike Steam).
    -Epic arrogant attitude stinks, remember the "we stop games exclusivity if you cut the games commission" to Steam.
    -Epic is part of a big Corporation quoted on the stock exchange, which means they have tons of restrains due to shareholders and stock market expectations (that's why games like F76 and Anthem are rushed, that's not just developers being lazy, profit come first)

    The "competition" argument is just not good enough in this case, because Epic is just trying to replace Steam as the main Digital Distributors and it's using dirty tricks to achieve this.
    Do you think Tencent will care about customers once they get the monopoly of Digital Distribution?
    Do you think they will offer better deals than Steam does at the moment?
    I highly doubt that.

    Steam on the other hand is owned by one person, the founder Gabe Newell.
    I rather trust a single person who can do whatever he likes with his own company, than a Company owned by the biggest game publisher in the world which only cares about profit and has no regard for the quality of their products?

    For whoever think Epic is a good option as Steam competitor, I say be careful what you wish for.

    GdemamiMadFrenchie
  • lahnmirlahnmir Member EpicPosts: 2,461
    edited June 16
    1. Tencent doesn’t own Epic
    2. A Monopoly is never good
    3. Somehow thinking Epic is an evil megacorp and Steam isn’t is incredible naive
    4. Bad tactics that Epic uses shift constantly. First developers were getting helped and there was whining about poor players. Then there were free games and an amazing sale and all of a sudden it was poor developers
    5. The free games given out by Epic are yours to keep forever. Some of them quite good actually
    6. Where can I find the source that states Epic wanting to overtake Steam? They are challenging them yes, long overdue too. But overtaking?
    7. The store layout is sufficient for now. As the library grows and features get added it will need to be changed yes. Saying it is too difficult to find and shift through all 60 or so titles is a bit of an overreaction
    8. Discounts on Steam are temporarily too and they rarely give free games away (unlike the Epic store)
    9. The most important one, most don’t buy from the Epic store because they love them or hate Steam. They just want to buy a game. And when that game is only on the Epic store that store is 100% better value then Steam. That works both ways of course

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
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  • AAAMEOWAAAMEOW Member UncommonPosts: 942
    People keep making comment like "facebook/amazon/steam"  should be break up because of monopoly...  blah blah blah.   I find that argument stupid. 

    But I like that company are competing.  Not to mention nothing wrong with Epic store.  Even if they fail to grab much of the pie...  Which is totally fine.  It is just another digital distributor.  

    I think OP is probalby some steam salesman...  lol

  • lahnmirlahnmir Member EpicPosts: 2,461
    TEKK3N said:
    lahnmir said:
    Funny thing, during the last days of sale the Ubisoft games came back and The Division 2 was actually cheaper in the Epic sale then in the Ubisoft sale. Not only that, Watchdogs 2, FarCry Primal ed. got added as well, on sale. Gues Ubisoft is pretty happy with the Epic store.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    It's not unusual at all.
    Publishers are generally forbidden by contract to make better prices than Distributors.
    What Steam does with the publishers is the same Walmart or Gamestop or Epic do when they sign a distribution contract with any Publisher.




    This is some Epic stance flipping btw. You made this whole thread of Ubisoft leaving the sale to show that that was a sign of developers going to leave completely and what horrible mistakes Epic made. Now, 6 pages further I present evidence of the exact opposite happening and you say ‘Its not unusual at all.’ 

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    MadFrenchie
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  • ConnmacartConnmacart Member UncommonPosts: 692
    TEKK3N said:

    Maybe.
    But while I am trying to explain why Steam is good value (though it has its negative too = monopoly), I have yet to hear a single good argument for the Epic store.
    -The Store layout is crap.
    -The free games and discounts are just temporary (unlike Steam).
    -Epic arrogant attitude stinks, remember the "we stop games exclusivity if you cut the games commission" to Steam.
    -Epic is part of a big Corporation quoted on the stock exchange, which means they have tons of restrains due to shareholders and stock market expectations (that's why games like F76 and Anthem are rushed, that's not just developers being lazy, profit come first)

    The "competition" argument is just not good enough in this case, because Epic is just trying to replace Steam as the main Digital Distributors and it's using dirty tricks to achieve this.
    Do you think Tencent will care about customers once they get the monopoly of Digital Distribution?
    Do you think they will offer better deals than Steam does at the moment?
    I highly doubt that.

    Steam on the other hand is owned by one person, the founder Gabe Newell.
    I rather trust a single person who can do whatever he likes with his own company, than a Company owned by the biggest game publisher in the world which only cares about profit and has no regard for the quality of their products?

    For whoever think Epic is a good option as Steam competitor, I say be careful what you wish for.

    Most of your points are just very subjective. Also want to explain free games and discounts are just temporary? 

    A while back people were in uproar over epic reading steam friends lists. Regardless of if the statement brought forth is true or not. Tim Sweeney took the blame himself. He was responsible for it even though he supposedly had already told the developers on the store to remove it. 

    You know what steam did when confronted about geoblocking in EU around the same time. It wasn't their fault the developers/publishers were responsible. So they pushed the blame away.

    I rather trust someone to do right by me who isn't afraid to take the blame over someone who blames others for mistakes/problems


  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 583
    lahnmir said:
    TEKK3N said:

    This is some Epic stance flipping btw. You made this whole thread of Ubisoft leaving the sale to show that that was a sign of developers going to leave completely and what horrible mistakes Epic made. Now, 6 pages further I present evidence of the exact opposite happening and you say ‘Its not unusual at all.’ 

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    I was referring to the fact that Epic discounts were bigger than Ubisoft, obviously. That's not unusual at all.

    I don't know if you noticed but the discussion moved away from the original OP, so my reply was referring to the new path this thread took, I wasn't even thinking about the OP.

    But if you want to go back on topic, my OP wasn't actually talking about Ubisoft games at all, but Vampire Masquerade 2 and Borderland 3.
    I said "some" (not all, not many, just some) developers started to show some sign of nervous-ism.

    But my prediction (Developers will pull out from Epic store eventually), has nothing to do with this Sale debacle.
    I just think that such a tiny store, doesn't have what it takes to guarantee big publishers (like Ubisoft) the coverage to guarantee the income they expect.

    If Ubisoft is happy with Epic and they added more games, it's a good sign, but I still think that in the long run, most publishers will pull out of the store.
    Time will tell.



    Gdemami
  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 583
    edited June 16
    lahnmir said:
    1. Tencent doesn’t own Epic
    2. A Monopoly is never good

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    Tencent owns 40% of Epic which in business terms means they own Epic as they are the major stake holders.

    A monopoly is never good, yet on the Internet it's impossible not to have one (Google, Amazon, Facebook, Spotify etc) unless they are artificially regulated by governments, which is not really happening atm.
    So all I am saying is if we have to have a monopoly, I prefer Steam has it, as it made wonders for my gaming library thanks to its more than generous Sales all year long.
    Since Steam has the monopoly, it could charge games full price all the time or with tiny discounts. But that's not the case.
    I am sure if Epic was in the same position Steam is now, you won't get the same treatment.

    Competition is good, but Epic is not the solution.
    Gdemami
  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 583
    AAAMEOW said:
    People keep making comment like "facebook/amazon/steam"  should be break up because of monopoly...  blah blah blah.   I find that argument stupid. 

    But I like that company are competing.  Not to mention nothing wrong with Epic store.  Even if they fail to grab much of the pie...  Which is totally fine.  It is just another digital distributor.  

    I think OP is probalby some steam salesman...  lol

    Steam doesn't need a Salesman, as it is a monopoly.

    All I am doing is trying to warn people that thinking of handing the Digital Distribution business in the hand of a big corporation, shouldn't be a thought you should entertain, it could bite your ass in the long term.

    The reason why AAA games are released unfinished and/or broken, it's because big corporations put profits well ahead of quality of product.
    They have strict deadlines and practices to appease the market, and Publishers/Developers have to respect those deadlines and practices even if that means releasing products that are subpar.

    Would you trust one of those company to run a monopoly?
    Sure as hell I don't.

    Gdemami
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