Gamers.. the only demographic that will act like total raging asshats to people and wonder why they don't want to talk with them anymore.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
He signed on for this when he took FREE money from naive gamer's.
It is VERY simple,get your own money and you won't have to answer to anyone but the bank.In this case the people he is unhappy with are unhappy because they are in essence the "investors". As for deadlines,that would be stupid for anyone to cry about deadlines,there can NOT be a time line on any product other than a VAGUE "we wish for"time. All that matters is the product and quality of it,timelines unless pulling off what Chris Robert's is doing are pointless.In that respect,he should not be giving ANY timelines,problem solved.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Gotta love the part about "a missed deadline we can't do anything about"... He's the damn CEO. Suck it up and take responsibility. He is literally the ONLY person that can do something about missing every damn deadline.
But he couldn't do anything about missing the deadline, remember? It was that darn developer team, gumming up his flawless execution. By golly, I'd have fired them by now if I was him; I'm sure he could do all the work twice...no..THRICE as fast without them being dead weight to him!
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Gamers.. the only demographic that will act like total raging asshats to people and wonder why they don't want to talk with them anymore.
And people wonder why I don't enjoy playing games with others very much these days...(outside of friends of course)
The number of guilds I have quit in the last five years insane. Its funny when they ask why and I have tell them that I don't care for hate speech, people talking s**t about others, etc...
I get enough of it in the real world. Don't need it when I am trying to relax
The number of guilds I have quit in the last decade is zero.
Measure twice cut once as they say.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
I'm not going to speak on behalf of the studio or the other developers. I can only speak for myself here. But beginning in the days of IRC, I wanted a place where I could come and socialize with the community and talk about what I was working on. I'd share snippets of things, sometimes buggy, etc. but my time in IRC was sort of "me time." It was a way for me to remember who I was doing it for - you guys. Because games this large take time, energy, blood, sweat, and tears. It's a lot harder than people realize. But as of late, any time I come into Discord I'm inundated with people making snide remarks about a missed deadline we can't do anything about. I get PMs from people who somehow had messaged me before I blocked PM's fronm non-friends to tell me to hang myself, or that I'm the worst CEO in history... And the truth is, I just don't find coming here enjoyable much anymore. I do it still, because it's part of my job. But the joy of being able to hang with the community is going fast. And to be clear, this isn't a complaint. I get it. People are mad at us... it's just unfortunate that the disappointment can't be compartmentalized enough to allow the developers to come here and share tidbits of information. We are, for better or worse, approaching a level of negativity where fewer and fewer developers want to come in here and chat. I'm not blaming anyone, I'm just stating the facts. We're about to reach a point where the community is going to lose out on a valuable resource - one on one time with the developers because we lack the appetite to face the accusations and hostility. -------------
He just doesn't get it at all. He took over 6 million dollars from people. He is using their money to pay himself and build a company that could theoretically someday be worth millions to him personally. But everyone should feel sorry for him because "But the joy of being able to hang with the community is going fast.".
Simply unbelievable. Instead of saying that he understands they have lost the trust of a large section of the community and are going to work even harder to be worthy of recovering it... He goes on a "poor me" rant and subtly threatens that "the community is going to lose out on a valuable resource"
Gotta love the part about "a missed deadline we can't do anything about"... He's the damn CEO. Suck it up and take responsibility. He is literally the ONLY person that can do something about missing every damn deadline.
They are still... as of this moment... building the worlds. The worlds where all the settlements were supposed to be chosen. It's not a map problem. It's a problem that they STILL don't exist! This wasn't some unforeseen catastrophe like they had a fire. He literally started Domain Selection 3 weeks ago without the worlds being built.
Just think about that for a few minutes and let that sink in.
As someone who has been following CoE development closely the past 2.5 or so years (and i used to be a count from KS, no longer the case) I am appalled with how Caspian has been responding the past year and how he has been leading Intrepid Studios. I truly believe the biggest hurdle facing this project is his piss poor leadership. I understand this is his baby, I understand he has his own vision of what CoE should be like but his management skills are completely void.
There is zero accountability within Soulbound Studios, the 6M they have raised for this project is pretty much all done (I have a credible source up the food chain that has made the claim 90% of that 6M is gone now into development and that they are desperate to end DSS and open up more avenues to raise further capital to even stay solvent at this point)
Caspian has shown the community he is unable to lead this team, to accomplish anything. For anyone who has read the State of Elyria from a few years ago, it stated they wanted to be in Exposition 1H 2019 and they wanted to full launch 2H 2019. We are midway through 2019 and Caspian said this year we are the storm? Excuse me? What storm, the storm of Pre-Elyria 0.50 is 60% done? with 90% of your funds used up? What is the plan moving forward in funding this project? This has become one of the biggest shit-shows I have ever seen. Shame on Caspian for sucking up 6M worth of backer funding and burning it all away. Have some accountability instead of blaming your team!
Moving forward what will happen to CoE? I will tell you, I truly believe this is the ending stages of this shit show, I think it will go on a little bit longer but I truly feel in 2020 Caspian will make a deep-hearted post about the cancellation of CoE. This will be Revival #2 (Sorry Snipehunter, you know what they say third time is the charm)...Will the IP go to a different company to finish this game? I don't see it happening because the PR damage will be too severe and no one will touch this with a 10-foot pole. This is what happens when you don't have proper management. It is very sad seeing this die but enough is enough.
I think the future hinges on their ability to sell off the jpeg land parcels left after the settlement selection event. I agree with what you mentioned about them being desperate to get past the selection so they can start the next sale.
But the question is: Will people actually pay lots of money for more virtual land and titles in this game given the current state of development?
If the answer is YES, then they will be fine. If the answer is NO, then I believe they will be in serious trouble... My guess is that the answer ends up somewhere in between and they continue to limp along.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Moving forward what will happen to CoE? I will tell you, I truly believe this is the ending stages of this shit show, I think it will go on a little bit longer but I truly feel in 2020 Caspian will make a deep-hearted post about the cancellation of CoE. This will be Revival #2 (Sorry Snipehunter, you know what they say third time is the charm)...Will the IP go to a different company to finish this game?
Nope. There is no reason for Caspian to sell the IP, and even less for anyone to buy it.
The PR actually being the least of the issues to be honest. Keep in mind, if someone does buy the IP, they might be saddled with all the problems of what to give the previous backers (Of which they have not received any money from) so there is little to no motive to buy the IP.
Now buying up any code or what have you, or anything else that may have been developed, is a whole other matter, which, someone might do, and even build a game based on that code with similar or even identical mechanics and systems to COE, But, never touching the actual IP just so that they would have zero obligations to any of the original backers of this project, and could sell all things Caspian sold, again, Fresh, and New, with an actual working game, to augment their own personal sales, which is how they would like things.
Now, Keep in mind Caspian was never under any Obligation to succeed from the Onset, only that he would try his best, and put the money he received from them KS into developing the game, which if your 90% estimate is correct, he has done.
But no matter how things end, everyone would do well to come to terms with the fact that if this ship sinks, all the money everyone put into, sinks with it.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
Gamers.. the only demographic that will act like total raging asshats to people and wonder why they don't want to talk with them anymore.
And people wonder why I don't enjoy playing games with others very much these days...(outside of friends of course)
The number of guilds I have quit in the last five years insane. Its funny when they ask why and I have tell them that I don't care for hate speech, people talking s**t about others, etc...
I get enough of it in the real world. Don't need it when I am trying to relax
The number of guilds I have quit in the last decade is zero.
Measure twice cut once as they say.
So with nothing to compare to you don't know if you are in a good guild or not eh?
Many people in North Korea believe they live in the greatest nation on earth....
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Gamers.. the only demographic that will act like total raging asshats to people and wonder why they don't want to talk with them anymore.
And people wonder why I don't enjoy playing games with others very much these days...(outside of friends of course)
The number of guilds I have quit in the last five years insane. Its funny when they ask why and I have tell them that I don't care for hate speech, people talking s**t about others, etc...
I get enough of it in the real world. Don't need it when I am trying to relax
The number of guilds I have quit in the last decade is zero.
Measure twice cut once as they say.
So with nothing to compare to you don't know if you are in a good guild or not eh?
Many people in North Korea believe they live in the greatest nation on earth....
I said I didn't quit any not that I never joined any. Quite a difference there.
For instance in LoA just 4 of my group were playing so we ended up joining another guild. We didn't just accept a spam invite. We played with the folks for a bit and found they were a good fit.
Now that LoA is kind of on hold for that guild for a while... those folks have joined US for other games.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
I'm not going to speak on behalf of the studio or the other developers. I can only speak for myself here. But beginning in the days of IRC, I wanted a place where I could come and socialize with the community and talk about what I was working on. I'd share snippets of things, sometimes buggy, etc. but my time in IRC was sort of "me time." It was a way for me to remember who I was doing it for - you guys. Because games this large take time, energy, blood, sweat, and tears. It's a lot harder than people realize. But as of late, any time I come into Discord I'm inundated with people making snide remarks about a missed deadline we can't do anything about. I get PMs from people who somehow had messaged me before I blocked PM's fronm non-friends to tell me to hang myself, or that I'm the worst CEO in history... And the truth is, I just don't find coming here enjoyable much anymore. I do it still, because it's part of my job. But the joy of being able to hang with the community is going fast. And to be clear, this isn't a complaint. I get it. People are mad at us... it's just unfortunate that the disappointment can't be compartmentalized enough to allow the developers to come here and share tidbits of information. We are, for better or worse, approaching a level of negativity where fewer and fewer developers want to come in here and chat. I'm not blaming anyone, I'm just stating the facts. We're about to reach a point where the community is going to lose out on a valuable resource - one on one time with the developers because we lack the appetite to face the accusations and hostility. -------------
He just doesn't get it at all. He took over 6 million dollars from people. He is using their money to pay himself and build a company that could theoretically someday be worth millions to him personally. But everyone should feel sorry for him because "But the joy of being able to hang with the community is going fast.".
Simply unbelievable. Instead of saying that he understands they have lost the trust of a large section of the community and are going to work even harder to be worthy of recovering it... He goes on a "poor me" rant and subtly threatens that "the community is going to lose out on a valuable resource"
Gotta love the part about "a missed deadline we can't do anything about"... He's the damn CEO. Suck it up and take responsibility. He is literally the ONLY person that can do something about missing every damn deadline.
They are still... as of this moment... building the worlds. The worlds where all the settlements were supposed to be chosen. It's not a map problem. It's a problem that they STILL don't exist! This wasn't some unforeseen catastrophe like they had a fire. He literally started Domain Selection 3 weeks ago without the worlds being built.
Just think about that for a few minutes and let that sink in.
As someone who has been following CoE development closely the past 2.5 or so years (and i used to be a count from KS, no longer the case) I am appalled with how Caspian has been responding the past year and how he has been leading Intrepid Studios. I truly believe the biggest hurdle facing this project is his piss poor leadership. I understand this is his baby, I understand he has his own vision of what CoE should be like but his management skills are completely void.
There is zero accountability within Soulbound Studios, the 6M they have raised for this project is pretty much all done (I have a credible source up the food chain that has made the claim 90% of that 6M is gone now into development and that they are desperate to end DSS and open up more avenues to raise further capital to even stay solvent at this point)
Caspian has shown the community he is unable to lead this team, to accomplish anything. For anyone who has read the State of Elyria from a few years ago, it stated they wanted to be in Exposition 1H 2019 and they wanted to full launch 2H 2019. We are midway through 2019 and Caspian said this year we are the storm? Excuse me? What storm, the storm of Pre-Elyria 0.50 is 60% done? with 90% of your funds used up? What is the plan moving forward in funding this project? This has become one of the biggest shit-shows I have ever seen. Shame on Caspian for sucking up 6M worth of backer funding and burning it all away. Have some accountability instead of blaming your team!
Moving forward what will happen to CoE? I will tell you, I truly believe this is the ending stages of this shit show, I think it will go on a little bit longer but I truly feel in 2020 Caspian will make a deep-hearted post about the cancellation of CoE. This will be Revival #2 (Sorry Snipehunter, you know what they say third time is the charm)...Will the IP go to a different company to finish this game? I don't see it happening because the PR damage will be too severe and no one will touch this with a 10-foot pole. This is what happens when you don't have proper management. It is very sad seeing this die but enough is enough.
I call bulls***, I haven't heard anything about financial and I am on good terms with a fair few in the community who have been in close communication with the team.
It's amazing how someone hears it from someone else who heard it from someones friend who knows the ceo's cat.
Now I agree his leadership has been piss poor, and that his team isn't divided into where their skills lie but that's as far as I believe anything you have written. For a start in your first paragraph you get the studio wrong, I mean you corrected it in your second mention but still...
Leave the criticism to slapshot, at least he has proper sources for his information.
**edit**
So decided to you through your posts, you claimed something very similar 5 months ago, if that was the case money would be gone with that burn rate. Also previously you claimed to have followed the game for 3 years, now its 2.5years...
I'm not going to speak on behalf of the studio or the other developers. I can only speak for myself here. But beginning in the days of IRC, I wanted a place where I could come and socialize with the community and talk about what I was working on. I'd share snippets of things, sometimes buggy, etc. but my time in IRC was sort of "me time." It was a way for me to remember who I was doing it for - you guys. Because games this large take time, energy, blood, sweat, and tears. It's a lot harder than people realize. But as of late, any time I come into Discord I'm inundated with people making snide remarks about a missed deadline we can't do anything about. I get PMs from people who somehow had messaged me before I blocked PM's fronm non-friends to tell me to hang myself, or that I'm the worst CEO in history... And the truth is, I just don't find coming here enjoyable much anymore. I do it still, because it's part of my job. But the joy of being able to hang with the community is going fast. And to be clear, this isn't a complaint. I get it. People are mad at us... it's just unfortunate that the disappointment can't be compartmentalized enough to allow the developers to come here and share tidbits of information. We are, for better or worse, approaching a level of negativity where fewer and fewer developers want to come in here and chat. I'm not blaming anyone, I'm just stating the facts. We're about to reach a point where the community is going to lose out on a valuable resource - one on one time with the developers because we lack the appetite to face the accusations and hostility. -------------
He just doesn't get it at all. He took over 6 million dollars from people. He is using their money to pay himself and build a company that could theoretically someday be worth millions to him personally. But everyone should feel sorry for him because "But the joy of being able to hang with the community is going fast.".
Simply unbelievable. Instead of saying that he understands they have lost the trust of a large section of the community and are going to work even harder to be worthy of recovering it... He goes on a "poor me" rant and subtly threatens that "the community is going to lose out on a valuable resource"
Gotta love the part about "a missed deadline we can't do anything about"... He's the damn CEO. Suck it up and take responsibility. He is literally the ONLY person that can do something about missing every damn deadline.
They are still... as of this moment... building the worlds. The worlds where all the settlements were supposed to be chosen. It's not a map problem. It's a problem that they STILL don't exist! This wasn't some unforeseen catastrophe like they had a fire. He literally started Domain Selection 3 weeks ago without the worlds being built.
Just think about that for a few minutes and let that sink in.
As someone who has been following CoE development closely the past 2.5 or so years (and i used to be a count from KS, no longer the case) I am appalled with how Caspian has been responding the past year and how he has been leading Intrepid Studios. I truly believe the biggest hurdle facing this project is his piss poor leadership. I understand this is his baby, I understand he has his own vision of what CoE should be like but his management skills are completely void.
There is zero accountability within Soulbound Studios, the 6M they have raised for this project is pretty much all done (I have a credible source up the food chain that has made the claim 90% of that 6M is gone now into development and that they are desperate to end DSS and open up more avenues to raise further capital to even stay solvent at this point)
Caspian has shown the community he is unable to lead this team, to accomplish anything. For anyone who has read the State of Elyria from a few years ago, it stated they wanted to be in Exposition 1H 2019 and they wanted to full launch 2H 2019. We are midway through 2019 and Caspian said this year we are the storm? Excuse me? What storm, the storm of Pre-Elyria 0.50 is 60% done? with 90% of your funds used up? What is the plan moving forward in funding this project? This has become one of the biggest shit-shows I have ever seen. Shame on Caspian for sucking up 6M worth of backer funding and burning it all away. Have some accountability instead of blaming your team!
Moving forward what will happen to CoE? I will tell you, I truly believe this is the ending stages of this shit show, I think it will go on a little bit longer but I truly feel in 2020 Caspian will make a deep-hearted post about the cancellation of CoE. This will be Revival #2 (Sorry Snipehunter, you know what they say third time is the charm)...Will the IP go to a different company to finish this game? I don't see it happening because the PR damage will be too severe and no one will touch this with a 10-foot pole. This is what happens when you don't have proper management. It is very sad seeing this die but enough is enough.
I call bulls***, I haven't heard anything about financial and I am on good terms with a fair few in the community who have been in close communication with the team.
It's amazing how someone hears it from someone else who heard it from someones friend who knows the ceo's cat.
Now I agree his leadership has been piss poor, and that his team isn't divided into where their skills lie but that's as far as I believe anything you have written. For a start in your first paragraph you get the studio wrong, I mean you corrected it in your second mention but still...
Leave the criticism to slapshot, at least he has proper sources for his information.
**edit**
So decided to you through your posts, you claimed something very similar 5 months ago, if that was the case money would be gone with that burn rate. Also previously you claimed to have followed the game for 3 years, now its 2.5years...
thank you for pointing out my error in first paragraph, yes honest mistake i meant Soulbound studios, and i estimated how long i've been following, it's def way before KS started
I'm not going to speak on behalf of the studio or the other developers. I can only speak for myself here. But beginning in the days of IRC, I wanted a place where I could come and socialize with the community and talk about what I was working on. I'd share snippets of things, sometimes buggy, etc. but my time in IRC was sort of "me time." It was a way for me to remember who I was doing it for - you guys. Because games this large take time, energy, blood, sweat, and tears. It's a lot harder than people realize. But as of late, any time I come into Discord I'm inundated with people making snide remarks about a missed deadline we can't do anything about. I get PMs from people who somehow had messaged me before I blocked PM's fronm non-friends to tell me to hang myself, or that I'm the worst CEO in history... And the truth is, I just don't find coming here enjoyable much anymore. I do it still, because it's part of my job. But the joy of being able to hang with the community is going fast. And to be clear, this isn't a complaint. I get it. People are mad at us... it's just unfortunate that the disappointment can't be compartmentalized enough to allow the developers to come here and share tidbits of information. We are, for better or worse, approaching a level of negativity where fewer and fewer developers want to come in here and chat. I'm not blaming anyone, I'm just stating the facts. We're about to reach a point where the community is going to lose out on a valuable resource - one on one time with the developers because we lack the appetite to face the accusations and hostility. -------------
He just doesn't get it at all. He took over 6 million dollars from people. He is using their money to pay himself and build a company that could theoretically someday be worth millions to him personally. But everyone should feel sorry for him because "But the joy of being able to hang with the community is going fast.".
Simply unbelievable. Instead of saying that he understands they have lost the trust of a large section of the community and are going to work even harder to be worthy of recovering it... He goes on a "poor me" rant and subtly threatens that "the community is going to lose out on a valuable resource"
Gotta love the part about "a missed deadline we can't do anything about"... He's the damn CEO. Suck it up and take responsibility. He is literally the ONLY person that can do something about missing every damn deadline.
They are still... as of this moment... building the worlds. The worlds where all the settlements were supposed to be chosen. It's not a map problem. It's a problem that they STILL don't exist! This wasn't some unforeseen catastrophe like they had a fire. He literally started Domain Selection 3 weeks ago without the worlds being built.
Just think about that for a few minutes and let that sink in.
As someone who has been following CoE development closely the past 2.5 or so years (and i used to be a count from KS, no longer the case) I am appalled with how Caspian has been responding the past year and how he has been leading Intrepid Studios. I truly believe the biggest hurdle facing this project is his piss poor leadership. I understand this is his baby, I understand he has his own vision of what CoE should be like but his management skills are completely void.
There is zero accountability within Soulbound Studios, the 6M they have raised for this project is pretty much all done (I have a credible source up the food chain that has made the claim 90% of that 6M is gone now into development and that they are desperate to end DSS and open up more avenues to raise further capital to even stay solvent at this point)
Caspian has shown the community he is unable to lead this team, to accomplish anything. For anyone who has read the State of Elyria from a few years ago, it stated they wanted to be in Exposition 1H 2019 and they wanted to full launch 2H 2019. We are midway through 2019 and Caspian said this year we are the storm? Excuse me? What storm, the storm of Pre-Elyria 0.50 is 60% done? with 90% of your funds used up? What is the plan moving forward in funding this project? This has become one of the biggest shit-shows I have ever seen. Shame on Caspian for sucking up 6M worth of backer funding and burning it all away. Have some accountability instead of blaming your team!
Moving forward what will happen to CoE? I will tell you, I truly believe this is the ending stages of this shit show, I think it will go on a little bit longer but I truly feel in 2020 Caspian will make a deep-hearted post about the cancellation of CoE. This will be Revival #2 (Sorry Snipehunter, you know what they say third time is the charm)...Will the IP go to a different company to finish this game? I don't see it happening because the PR damage will be too severe and no one will touch this with a 10-foot pole. This is what happens when you don't have proper management. It is very sad seeing this die but enough is enough.
I call bulls***, I haven't heard anything about financial and I am on good terms with a fair few in the community who have been in close communication with the team.
It's amazing how someone hears it from someone else who heard it from someones friend who knows the ceo's cat.
Now I agree his leadership has been piss poor, and that his team isn't divided into where their skills lie but that's as far as I believe anything you have written. For a start in your first paragraph you get the studio wrong, I mean you corrected it in your second mention but still...
Leave the criticism to slapshot, at least he has proper sources for his information.
**edit**
So decided to you through your posts, you claimed something very similar 5 months ago, if that was the case money would be gone with that burn rate. Also previously you claimed to have followed the game for 3 years, now its 2.5years...
thank you for pointing out my error in first paragraph, yes honest mistake i meant Soulbound studios, and i estimated how long i've been following, it's def way before KS started
I guessed it was a simple mistake, but compound with all your other errors and the lack of a credible source I am still calling bulls***
Will the IP go to a different company to finish this game? I don't see it happening because the PR damage will be too severe and no one will touch this with a 10-foot pole. This is what happens when you don't have proper management. It is very sad seeing this die but enough is enough.
Will the IP go to a different company to finish the game? No, at least not a competent development company.
If a company was desperate enough to need this particular set of ideas, they would have to prune these ideas down to a set of deliverable promises, and try to salvage anything possible from any existing work. This pruning and salvaging *could* easily produce more work than needed. It would probably be cheaper and faster to develop a similar game from scratch rather than try to stumble through someone else's work.
I would guess that anyone investigating the possibility to buy this IP would probably have some current involvement in this project, either at the customer/backer level or at the developer level. So, I would see any potential buyer for this project would be a split-off of SBS. That might be the only way Caspien would sell, to a fellow 'believer' and the anointed buyer would continue this passion project. I certainly wouldn't buy a project from Caspien if I knew him; it *might* be a very difficult thing to cut him out of trying to control his 'baby'. I don't see him as one who would easily give up control.
This is above and beyond any issues with purchasing the IP and existing development work (if any). If a purchaser has to buy SBS studios in order to get this IP, there may be all sorts of sticky conditions concerning liabilities and obligations. As it stands now, the funding for this came from donations, and carries no liabilities or obligations to the people who donated. That doesn't preclude some governmental changes in the next several years, possibly even retroactive changes. If the people believed they were buying a product, that might warrant some degree of recompensation under consumer protection laws. I think a good lawyer (backed with money, and the whales have proven they have that) could force some kind of legal showdown of consumer protection laws against crowdfunding.
This murkiness of legal uncertainty would scare off almost any possible purchaser, in my opinion. The cleaner, simpler thing to do is walk away from COE. COE as a brand is toxic, invented and ruined by SBS and Caspien.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
I'm not going to speak on behalf of the studio or the other developers. I can only speak for myself here. But beginning in the days of IRC, I wanted a place where I could come and socialize with the community and talk about what I was working on. I'd share snippets of things, sometimes buggy, etc. but my time in IRC was sort of "me time." It was a way for me to remember who I was doing it for - you guys. Because games this large take time, energy, blood, sweat, and tears. It's a lot harder than people realize. But as of late, any time I come into Discord I'm inundated with people making snide remarks about a missed deadline we can't do anything about. I get PMs from people who somehow had messaged me before I blocked PM's fronm non-friends to tell me to hang myself, or that I'm the worst CEO in history... And the truth is, I just don't find coming here enjoyable much anymore. I do it still, because it's part of my job. But the joy of being able to hang with the community is going fast. And to be clear, this isn't a complaint. I get it. People are mad at us... it's just unfortunate that the disappointment can't be compartmentalized enough to allow the developers to come here and share tidbits of information. We are, for better or worse, approaching a level of negativity where fewer and fewer developers want to come in here and chat. I'm not blaming anyone, I'm just stating the facts. We're about to reach a point where the community is going to lose out on a valuable resource - one on one time with the developers because we lack the appetite to face the accusations and hostility. -------------
He just doesn't get it at all. He took over 6 million dollars from people. He is using their money to pay himself and build a company that could theoretically someday be worth millions to him personally. But everyone should feel sorry for him because "But the joy of being able to hang with the community is going fast.".
Simply unbelievable. Instead of saying that he understands they have lost the trust of a large section of the community and are going to work even harder to be worthy of recovering it... He goes on a "poor me" rant and subtly threatens that "the community is going to lose out on a valuable resource"
Gotta love the part about "a missed deadline we can't do anything about"... He's the damn CEO. Suck it up and take responsibility. He is literally the ONLY person that can do something about missing every damn deadline.
They are still... as of this moment... building the worlds. The worlds where all the settlements were supposed to be chosen. It's not a map problem. It's a problem that they STILL don't exist! This wasn't some unforeseen catastrophe like they had a fire. He literally started Domain Selection 3 weeks ago without the worlds being built.
Just think about that for a few minutes and let that sink in.
As someone who has been following CoE development closely the past 2.5 or so years (and i used to be a count from KS, no longer the case) I am appalled with how Caspian has been responding the past year and how he has been leading Intrepid Studios. I truly believe the biggest hurdle facing this project is his piss poor leadership. I understand this is his baby, I understand he has his own vision of what CoE should be like but his management skills are completely void.
There is zero accountability within Soulbound Studios, the 6M they have raised for this project is pretty much all done (I have a credible source up the food chain that has made the claim 90% of that 6M is gone now into development and that they are desperate to end DSS and open up more avenues to raise further capital to even stay solvent at this point)
Caspian has shown the community he is unable to lead this team, to accomplish anything. For anyone who has read the State of Elyria from a few years ago, it stated they wanted to be in Exposition 1H 2019 and they wanted to full launch 2H 2019. We are midway through 2019 and Caspian said this year we are the storm? Excuse me? What storm, the storm of Pre-Elyria 0.50 is 60% done? with 90% of your funds used up? What is the plan moving forward in funding this project? This has become one of the biggest shit-shows I have ever seen. Shame on Caspian for sucking up 6M worth of backer funding and burning it all away. Have some accountability instead of blaming your team!
Moving forward what will happen to CoE? I will tell you, I truly believe this is the ending stages of this shit show, I think it will go on a little bit longer but I truly feel in 2020 Caspian will make a deep-hearted post about the cancellation of CoE. This will be Revival #2 (Sorry Snipehunter, you know what they say third time is the charm)...Will the IP go to a different company to finish this game? I don't see it happening because the PR damage will be too severe and no one will touch this with a 10-foot pole. This is what happens when you don't have proper management. It is very sad seeing this die but enough is enough.
Leave the criticism to slapshot, at least he has proper sources for his information.
I believe it’s been established that slapsot gets his information from the general forums and does not have access to the paid forums were videos and detailed information is released.
No problem with that of course it’s more information than I would otherwise have. I have remind myself that information is likely not the full story though.
I believe it’s been established that slapsot gets his information from the general forums and does not have access to the paid forums were videos and detailed information is released.
Has it? What I have said in the past is: I have never signed an NDA with SBS. I have indirect access to the information I post about.
Does the source really matter though? I'll put my track record up against Caspien any day. And he theoretically has the whole picture.
Just judge results. If I say something that proves untrue, call me on it. If Caspien says something that proves untrue... call HIM on it.
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I just don't find coming here enjoyable much anymore. I do it still, because it's part of my job.
Why does the CEO of CoE believe it's his job to be on Discord to reply to random "feedback"?
Because he still needs the backers to continue buying more stuff to fund the game's continued development.
I think more than that his ego cannot allow him to behave in a professional way, which would be not to reply to every and any criticism. He is too close to the project and needs to take a step back, leaving communication to the likes of a community manager. There is a reason MMO's have a post like this and you need someone with the right skills to do it. Even then and I think any community manager would agree, something like Discord should be a rare event as live events are often problematic. Most communication is best handled by forums, emails and tweets.
I believe it’s been established that slapsot gets his information from the general forums and does not have access to the paid forums were videos and detailed information is released.
Has it? What I have said in the past is: I have never signed an NDA with SBS. I have indirect access to the information I post about.
Does the source really matter though? I'll put my track record up against Caspien any day. And he theoretically has the whole picture.
Just judge results. If I say something that proves untrue, call me on it. If Caspien says something that proves untrue... call HIM on it.
Actually I find that nearly all your posts has the source documented. Not once in my post did I say your information was from the paid forums. This is someone trying to out your information down without reading what's written.
Don't get me wrong I don't always agree with your interpretation but your sourcing is usually spot on and includes information I miss (mainly because I can't be arsed to go through the discord search to hunt dev posts.)
Some of the legends of gaming are scoffed at,ignored and basically DONE,>>Lord British ,Smedley,several Blizzard execs getting out,changes even within the giant Blizz/Acti because things are not good and the proof is in closures,selloffs,Trion,Soe,changes at BlizActi,there is a lot of in your face obvious changes in this industry,you would have to be living under a rock to not see them.
Do not take this the wrong way, but I often wonder if we are discussing the same topic...
You're not the only one. Although I do hope he takes it the wrong way.
Gamers.. the only demographic that will act like total raging asshats to people and wonder why they don't want to talk with them anymore.
And people wonder why I don't enjoy playing games with others very much these days...(outside of friends of course)
The number of guilds I have quit in the last five years insane. Its funny when they ask why and I have tell them that I don't care for hate speech, people talking s**t about others, etc...
I get enough of it in the real world. Don't need it when I am trying to relax
The number of guilds I have quit in the last decade is zero.
Measure twice cut once as they say.
So with nothing to compare to you don't know if you are in a good guild or not eh?
Many people in North Korea believe they live in the greatest nation on earth....
I am wagering like me, he has a static, a small circle of people he runs with. But at the same time, since I try out new and different games, I end up joining dozens of guilds, often, with me leaving the game, but kinda forgetting to leave the guild, so, technically I never quit them, they most likely saw I had not logged on in a month or so and cleaned their roster.
Equally so, if I saw a name from that guild that I recognized, in another game, I'd run with them there, nothing against most people, which to be honest, when you have a static, it functions like a bubble, in the fact that you don't need to deal with anyone.
Which kinda explains how he could not handle me giving him some minimal chiding, and blocked me, while he is going whole hog bashing on Caspian and then making a fuss that Caspian finds that crap annoying.
Pots and kettles in that case, IMHO.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
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It is VERY simple,get your own money and you won't have to answer to anyone but the bank.In this case the people he is unhappy with are unhappy because they are in essence the "investors".
As for deadlines,that would be stupid for anyone to cry about deadlines,there can NOT be a time line on any product other than a VAGUE "we wish for"time.
All that matters is the product and quality of it,timelines unless pulling off what Chris Robert's is doing are pointless.In that respect,he should not be giving ANY timelines,problem solved.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
That is, was and will always be.....COE.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Measure twice cut once as they say.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
As someone who has been following CoE development closely the past 2.5 or so years (and i used to be a count from KS, no longer the case) I am appalled with how Caspian has been responding the past year and how he has been leading Intrepid Studios. I truly believe the biggest hurdle facing this project is his piss poor leadership. I understand this is his baby, I understand he has his own vision of what CoE should be like but his management skills are completely void.
There is zero accountability within Soulbound Studios, the 6M they have raised for this project is pretty much all done (I have a credible source up the food chain that has made the claim 90% of that 6M is gone now into development and that they are desperate to end DSS and open up more avenues to raise further capital to even stay solvent at this point)
Caspian has shown the community he is unable to lead this team, to accomplish anything. For anyone who has read the State of Elyria from a few years ago, it stated they wanted to be in Exposition 1H 2019 and they wanted to full launch 2H 2019. We are midway through 2019 and Caspian said this year we are the storm? Excuse me? What storm, the storm of Pre-Elyria 0.50 is 60% done? with 90% of your funds used up? What is the plan moving forward in funding this project? This has become one of the biggest shit-shows I have ever seen. Shame on Caspian for sucking up 6M worth of backer funding and burning it all away. Have some accountability instead of blaming your team!
Moving forward what will happen to CoE? I will tell you, I truly believe this is the ending stages of this shit show, I think it will go on a little bit longer but I truly feel in 2020 Caspian will make a deep-hearted post about the cancellation of CoE. This will be Revival #2 (Sorry Snipehunter, you know what they say third time is the charm)...Will the IP go to a different company to finish this game? I don't see it happening because the PR damage will be too severe and no one will touch this with a 10-foot pole. This is what happens when you don't have proper management. It is very sad seeing this die but enough is enough.
But the question is: Will people actually pay lots of money for more virtual land and titles in this game given the current state of development?
If the answer is YES, then they will be fine. If the answer is NO, then I believe they will be in serious trouble... My guess is that the answer ends up somewhere in between and they continue to limp along.
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The PR actually being the least of the issues to be honest. Keep in mind, if someone does buy the IP, they might be saddled with all the problems of what to give the previous backers (Of which they have not received any money from) so there is little to no motive to buy the IP.
Now buying up any code or what have you, or anything else that may have been developed, is a whole other matter, which, someone might do, and even build a game based on that code with similar or even identical mechanics and systems to COE, But, never touching the actual IP just so that they would have zero obligations to any of the original backers of this project, and could sell all things Caspian sold, again, Fresh, and New, with an actual working game, to augment their own personal sales, which is how they would like things.
Now, Keep in mind Caspian was never under any Obligation to succeed from the Onset, only that he would try his best, and put the money he received from them KS into developing the game, which if your 90% estimate is correct, he has done.
But no matter how things end, everyone would do well to come to terms with the fact that if this ship sinks, all the money everyone put into, sinks with it.
Many people in North Korea believe they live in the greatest nation on earth....
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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For instance in LoA just 4 of my group were playing so we ended up joining another guild. We didn't just accept a spam invite. We played with the folks for a bit and found they were a good fit.
Now that LoA is kind of on hold for that guild for a while... those folks have joined US for other games.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
It's amazing how someone hears it from someone else who heard it from someones friend who knows the ceo's cat.
Now I agree his leadership has been piss poor, and that his team isn't divided into where their skills lie but that's as far as I believe anything you have written.
For a start in your first paragraph you get the studio wrong, I mean you corrected it in your second mention but still...
Leave the criticism to slapshot, at least he has proper sources for his information.
**edit**
So decided to you through your posts, you claimed something very similar 5 months ago, if that was the case money would be gone with that burn rate.
Also previously you claimed to have followed the game for 3 years, now its 2.5years...
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
No problem with that of course it’s more information than I would otherwise have. I have remind myself that information is likely not the full story though.
What I have said in the past is: I have never signed an NDA with SBS. I have indirect access to the information I post about.
Does the source really matter though? I'll put my track record up against Caspien any day. And he theoretically has the whole picture.
Just judge results. If I say something that proves untrue, call me on it. If Caspien says something that proves untrue... call HIM on it.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
This is someone trying to out your information down without reading what's written.
Don't get me wrong I don't always agree with your interpretation but your sourcing is usually spot on and includes information I miss (mainly because I can't be arsed to go through the discord search to hunt dev posts.)
Equally so, if I saw a name from that guild that I recognized, in another game, I'd run with them there, nothing against most people, which to be honest, when you have a static, it functions like a bubble, in the fact that you don't need to deal with anyone.
Which kinda explains how he could not handle me giving him some minimal chiding, and blocked me, while he is going whole hog bashing on Caspian and then making a fuss that Caspian finds that crap annoying.
Pots and kettles in that case, IMHO.