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I'm so old. What is a season pass?

MightyUncleanMightyUnclean Member EpicPosts: 2,553
I keep hearing that game developers are now charging extra for something called a season pass.  What does this mean, exactly?
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  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,102
    basically gets you access to all DLC's that a game puts out that year...you are paying in advance and maybe a discounted price to get the future DLC's
  • MightyUncleanMightyUnclean Member EpicPosts: 2,553
    Ah, thanks.  Well, I guess in a time when so many of the companies are screwing players with DLC instead of complete games, any discount is something.
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  • PalebanePalebane Member RarePosts: 3,636
    edited May 12
    Its an advertising scam, like preorders and early-access. Have the customers pay extra or ahead of time in case the product sucks. They are banking on people being too lazy to refund. Good games can get away with it so it has sadly become an accepted standard.
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  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 10,992
    Ah, thanks.  Well, I guess in a time when so many of the companies are screwing players with DLC instead of complete games, any discount is something.
    More often than not it will only be 'some' DLC, not all of it. Unsurprisingly the best DLC will often not be included in the Season Pass. If you treat Season Passes as a scam then you will rarely be wrong. ;)
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  • ArteriusArterius Member EpicPosts: 1,845
    Palebane said:
    Its an advertising scam, like preorders and early-access. Have the customers pay extra or ahead of time in case the product sucks. They are banking on people being too lazy to refund. Good games can get away with it so it has sadly become an accepted standard.
    I agree with you there and I am the sucker every time. I have the balls to admit it. Most of time I see a deluxe version which comes with all DLC and scoop it up. The only game I think I ever played the DLC for is Spider-Man on PS4 and the Borderlands series
  • acidbloodacidblood Member RarePosts: 850
    Palebane said:
    Its an advertising scam, like preorders and early-access. Have the customers pay extra or ahead of time in case the product sucks. They are banking on people being too lazy to refund. Good games can get away with it so it has sadly become an accepted standard.
    Basically this ^ ... though the only 'good game' I can think of where the season pass was maybe worth it was The Witcher 3, and even then you'd have been better off waiting for the complete edition.
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  • AlverantAlverant Member RarePosts: 1,131
    I got the mobile game Sentinels of the Multiverse that had two season passes. While not everything in each season pass was great, enough of it was to justify the purchase. Plus they're a small company so I can grant them some leeway. Overall though, season passes are a gamble like preordering a game.
  • GruntyGrunty Member EpicPosts: 8,657
    Prepaid DLC for approximately one 'season' usually consisting of a one year time period.  No guarantee on quantity or quality of DLC.  It might be pure fluff; weapon & player skins.  It might be a campaign half the length of the original game.
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  • H0urg1assH0urg1ass Member EpicPosts: 2,234
    I give the same advice for season passes that I give for pre-ordering games:  Don't!

    I've never played a single game where every bit of DLC was worth the price of the Season Pass.  In fact, with the Fallout Games in particular, and the Far Cry games as well, there's usually only one good piece of DLC in the entire roundup and none that couldn't wait 12-24 months to pick up on a 75% off sale on Steam and play then.
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  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member RarePosts: 1,102
    I like how the moment a company tries to make some money it's called a scam.
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  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,823
    Micro and Macro monetization is not going anywhere. The season pass has been around for years. It is part of gaming. 
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  • H0urg1assH0urg1ass Member EpicPosts: 2,234
    I like how the moment a company tries to make some money it's called a scam.
    In general I agree with you.  I think the pushback on companies trying to make money can be a little harsh around here, but in this case, it generally is a scam.

    The gaming world in general works like this these days:

    A home builder is building a new house.  He's got a good reputation so far and has built a few houses that people really love.  He's building another house, and you need one and want one of his homes because they've been so beautiful in the past.  So you give him your money up front thinking about the beautiful homes he built other people.

    Then he finishes the home and you go see it... and it's nothing like what you expected.  Not only that but parts of it aren't functional.  Some of the plumbing is missing. Some light switches don't work or do unexpected things like turn your shower on instead.  It's the right color and has the right amount of rooms, but everything else is a disaster.  But you've already paid, so there you go... enjoy.

    Buying a season pass is paying the same home builder, up front again, because he promises to add four different upgrades to your home in the future.  He won't tell you what they are, what they'll add to your house and you don't get to have any say in the choices.  Just pay him now and see what you get.

    The first thing he builds you is a dream dog house in the back yard.  It's got AC for summer, heating for winter, an automatic feeder and watering system.  It's every out door dog owners dream... except you're allergic to dogs, don't own any, won't own any ever and have no use for it, but too bad cause you paid for it up front and technically he fulfilled his side of the bargain.

    My very long-winded point is this:  Never, ever ever pay someone upfront for work that they haven't already done.  Pay someone, and pay them well, for good quality work that they've already finished that makes you happy.
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  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 2,757
    Ah, thanks.  Well, I guess in a time when so many of the companies are screwing players with DLC instead of complete games, any discount is something.

    I get that this might be only me, but I look at DLC's like "Mini-Expansions", in the form of dungeons, or maps, races, classes, etc. They are adding to the game as the game goes on. This also keeps them making more of the game, building, developing, adding to the game world if they want to keep an income going. As opposed to lootboxes or cosmetics, or pointless fluff items, that don't add to the game, but become the focus of development.

    Also with DLC directing their income, what I buy drives what they make. This way, I am directing the games development with my wallet, not by ranting on the forums.

    Unlike say, Lootboxes or Cosmetics or Subs, where the source of the money is obscure, and can't be effectively traced, this allows some loud minority to direct the development of the actual game, which is a horrible idea IMHO.

    Just my feels on that payment model.
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  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Member EpicPosts: 5,410
    edited May 12
    I first heard "season pass" for the Telltale Games' The Walking Dead. I have no clue if that was first or not. That was basically paying for the game by chapters, beforehand.

    Since then, I've seen all kinds of single player, non-story based games use this scam. It is set up to lure in the impatient with wonderful marketing words and terms when in fact, if they could wait a year or so, the "Complete", "Gold Edition", GotY", or any other "package" would be much, much cheaper, after all DLCs are released.
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  • RaquisRaquis Member UncommonPosts: 967
    edited May 12
    I am old too but it means dlc`s that will release later and you get extra armor and weapons sometimes also access to betas and sometimes you get weapons and armor that people dont get that just bought the normal game but its not pay to win.( if you really like a certain game like the souls games or Nioh then buy the season pass its cheaper than getting the dlc`s later on)
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 16,446
    edited May 12
    it doesn't necessarily mean ANY update or dlc at all,just means give us money and we will let you play through each season,more like a library card,pay to update it each year so you can keep taking out books.

    Furthermore i am pretty sure ALL ,like every single one of these games operate with cash shops.Sooo if you pay us we will allow you to access our ongoing updated cash shop to spend MORE money.this is the era of selling $30 games for 10++x more than they are worth.

    We have purchased shooter games for 30+ years and only paid ONCE and we gave the community the tools to make mods/maps/assets etc etc .NO ADDED costs.
    This new idea of seasons pass is SCUMMMY and should not exist.

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  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,823
    the idea of season pass has been around since at least 2011. It is not new. 
    I have no issue with a season pass for a single player game (like L.A. Noir 2011)
    but for a multiplayer game it can split the community from the haves and have nots. 

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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,657
    H0urg1ass said:
    I like how the moment a company tries to make some money it's called a scam.
    In general I agree with you.  I think the pushback on companies trying to make money can be a little harsh around here, but in this case, it generally is a scam.

    The gaming world in general works like this these days:

    A home builder is building a new house.  He's got a good reputation so far and has built a few houses that people really love.  He's building another house, and you need one and want one of his homes because they've been so beautiful in the past.  So you give him your money up front thinking about the beautiful homes he built other people.

    Then he finishes the home and you go see it... and it's nothing like what you expected.  Not only that but parts of it aren't functional.  Some of the plumbing is missing. Some light switches don't work or do unexpected things like turn your shower on instead.  It's the right color and has the right amount of rooms, but everything else is a disaster.  But you've already paid, so there you go... enjoy.

    Buying a season pass is paying the same home builder, up front again, because he promises to add four different upgrades to your home in the future.  He won't tell you what they are, what they'll add to your house and you don't get to have any say in the choices.  Just pay him now and see what you get.

    The first thing he builds you is a dream dog house in the back yard.  It's got AC for summer, heating for winter, an automatic feeder and watering system.  It's every out door dog owners dream... except you're allergic to dogs, don't own any, won't own any ever and have no use for it, but too bad cause you paid for it up front and technically he fulfilled his side of the bargain.

    My very long-winded point is this:  Never, ever ever pay someone upfront for work that they haven't already done.  Pay someone, and pay them well, for good quality work that they've already finished that makes you happy.
    The problem for me is that it's come to mean almost anything and nothing at the same time. It's a way for chop up the total desired revenue for a game into palatable chunks hiding the actual cost of the game.

    On one hand gamers can't handle the total cost of a game. Some people balk at paying $35 - $50 one time fee for a standalone game but will buy it for $20 - $25 and then pay $150 more in DLC.

    On the other hand game studios have been leveraging this to deliver the minimum they can get away with. If a title doesn't sell well and the DLC plans are gutted, that leaves the Season Pass owners screwed. Even if a title is really successful they quickly wrap up the Season and selling the next. It gets worse with GaaS but it's not limited to that.

    It's tricky because I've had good DLC and I've been burned. I don't enjoy playing the risk game so I handle it this way. If I'm going to play a release title and the Season DLC is content and not cosmetics then I'll buy the pass. I want the entire game, not a chunk so for me it's an $80 - $100 purchase and if I won't pay that then I wait on the entire thing. If I'm not playing on release then I wait for GotY or good Steam bundle sale. For me this is only usually a problem with bigger titles pumping the hype with Hollywood graphics and glitz.
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,657
    the idea of season pass has been around since at least 2011. It is not new. 
    I have no issue with a season pass for a single player game (like L.A. Noir 2011)
    but for a multiplayer game it can split the community from the haves and have nots. 

    For me it really depends on the title and scope of the game. How much did they want for that? Did they chop up a bunch of the base game to sell it cheaply like strategy titles often do. Or did they make a game, sell it, and now they made more stuff and want to get paid for it? Are they trying to milk it or deliver value? I think those questions have to be asked on a title by title basis, or by studio or publisher.

    It's harder to make that decision when all the DLC hasn't been published yet. In your example with L.A. Noire I think the bundle packages are a pretty good deal. They're also straight forward. You know what you're getting.
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 20,974
    I like how the moment a company tries to make some money it's called a scam.
    Asking me to pay money so that I can play a game that is already released is not a scam, at least if they give me the access to the game that they promised in exchange for the money.  It's asking me to pay money for something that does not yet exist and may or may not ever exist in a form substantially similar to what is promised that is far more dubious.
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  • PalebanePalebane Member RarePosts: 3,636
    I like how the moment a company tries to make some money it's called a scam.
    I liked how they used to make money by making great games.
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  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,205
    I've had some good season passes and some bad ones..

    Borderlands 2 season pass is an example of a good one. Lot of content for the money that was on par or better quality than the rest of the game. Probably 4 times the amount of stuff you typically get in a season pass.

    Pillars of Eternity 1 'expansion' pass was pretty good.

    Destiny 2 current season pass is hot garbage.

    The Division 1 season pass was hot garbage.

    There's more bad examples than good overall...
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  • timtracktimtrack Member UncommonPosts: 531
    From the first time i heard about it i got a very bad taste in my mouth. In what other market would you agree to pay for something like this?

    "Hey man, pay me for this."
    "Eh? What is that?"
    "You'll see."
    "What? No, tell me what i'm paying for."
    "We haven't decided yet, but it'll be great i promise."
    "But... how much of whatever it is will i get?"
    "Well that depends on how well we're doing and how much we can make."
    "So i might get nothing?"
    "I guess. But we'll try to make you at least one thing for sure."
    "Sounds like a bad deal man."
    "We'll throw in a super special sword, totally unique with glowing stuff on it."
    "Deal."

    Enters game. Sees everyone running around with the super unique sword.

    "Well, shit."
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  • SirAgravaineSirAgravaine Member RarePosts: 518
    Anyone that is upset at Game Developers and Publishers selling DLCs or for adding microtransactions have no business sense whatsoever. When was the last time the box price on a video game changed?
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