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  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,530
    Kyleran said:
    Ungood said:
    Wait, wait...We've come to the point in gaming where players can outright buy a top position in a player organization with cash?  And other players are so lacking in self respect, they will willingly follow and serve these whales?  Well, if it happens in real world politics, I guess I shouldn't be surprised it's happening in games.  Still, what a sad state we've reached.
    We have been at that point for the last, at least, 12 years, with games monetizing starting a guild.
    Yep, Goons require a monthly fee from their members, with officers paying a fee for the "priviledge" of leading.

    In all fairness, in the larger goon guilds these can be paid positions, as they are near a full time job.


    Guilds have had dues and such since EQ, so, that's been around for a long time, but I think the breaking point for me when I truly stopped being amazed at players stupidity, was when I learned that they would spend top dollar and even subscription fees for hack programs to cheat in a F2P game that they often don't spend money on.


    AnOldFartKyleran
    Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.

  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,530
    MightyUnclean said:
    Wait, wait...We've come to the point in gaming where players can outright buy a top position in a player organization with cash?  And other players are so lacking in self respect, they will willingly follow and serve these whales?  Well, if it happens in real world politics, I guess I shouldn't be surprised it's happening in games.  Still, what a sad state we've reached.
    I think most player egos aren't so fragile that it would prevent them playing a game if they enjoy it. Game balance issues notwithstanding.
     Game or class balance is not a question of player ego to handle losing, but a question of the skill and capacity of the developer to make a fair game where if and when you lose, it was because you, as a player, suck, and not because the game itself has some stupid OP FOTM build floating around.
    Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.

  • StaalBurgherStaalBurgher Member UncommonPosts: 265
    edited May 2019
    Ungood said:
    Wait, wait...We've come to the point in gaming where players can outright buy a top position in a player organization with cash?  And other players are so lacking in self respect, they will willingly follow and serve these whales?
    I did not say game or class balance has anything to do with ego.

    The above quote is what I am responding to. Your comment was a negative commentary on other players for no particular reason other than your own neurosis it seems. People do not "serve these whales". It is perfectly reasonable for them to choose to play with a store-bought-King if they think this will enhance their options/enjoyment. The purchase of titles might not be the best design choice, I agree, but it doesn't warrant that level of ridiculous hyperbole. 

    The only person whose sense of "self respect" seems to be triggered by this is yourself and whoever else seem to be personally offended by titles in general. Maybe you need to draw a line between the real and virtual worlds. Playing a game has little go with anyone else's "self respect".
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 16,985
    Ungood said:
    Wait, wait...We've come to the point in gaming where players can outright buy a top position in a player organization with cash?  And other players are so lacking in self respect, they will willingly follow and serve these whales?
    I did not say game or class balance has anything to do with ego.

    The above quote is what I am responding to. Your comment was a negative commentary on other players for no particular reason other than your own neurosis it seems. People do not "serve these whales". It is perfectly reasonable for them to choose to play with a store-bought-King if they think this will enhance their options/enjoyment. The purchase of titles might not be the best design choice, I agree, but it doesn't warrant that level of ridiculous hyperbole. 

    The only person whose sense of "self respect" seems to be triggered by this is yourself and whoever else seem to be personally offended by titles in general. Maybe you need to draw a line between the real and virtual worlds. Playing a game has little go with anyone else's "self respect".
    This is not at all limited to those “offended by titles”. We recently saw this on the forum where a non title owner’s thoughts were discounted because he was “a peasant”.  Seriously. Not in game RP but discussion about the delay.  That’s the kind of mentality this crap instills.

    All animals are equal but some are more equal than others!

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  • AnOldFartAnOldFart Member RarePosts: 562
    Ungood said:
    Wait, wait...We've come to the point in gaming where players can outright buy a top position in a player organization with cash?  And other players are so lacking in self respect, they will willingly follow and serve these whales?
    I did not say game or class balance has anything to do with ego.

    The above quote is what I am responding to. Your comment was a negative commentary on other players for no particular reason other than your own neurosis it seems. People do not "serve these whales". It is perfectly reasonable for them to choose to play with a store-bought-King if they think this will enhance their options/enjoyment. The purchase of titles might not be the best design choice, I agree, but it doesn't warrant that level of ridiculous hyperbole. 

    The only person whose sense of "self respect" seems to be triggered by this is yourself and whoever else seem to be personally offended by titles in general. Maybe you need to draw a line between the real and virtual worlds. Playing a game has little go with anyone else's "self respect".
    This is not at all limited to those “offended by titles”. We recently saw this on the forum where a non title owner’s thoughts were discounted because he was “a peasant”.  Seriously. Not in game RP but discussion about the delay.  That’s the kind of mentality this crap instills.

    All animals are equal but some are more equal than others!

    It was only discounted because he was trying to tell those pledged to pick without information.

    Maybe if that "peasant" was pledged and affected by DSS he would have had a different view.


    The person calling him a peasent was wrong to insult but his point was valid
    bcbullyStaalBurgherHatefull
  • GutlardGutlard Member RarePosts: 1,019
    Money does buy fun toys, and fun toys lead to happiness, so money does buy happiness...and prostitutes.

    Gut Out!
    KyleranAnOldFartbcbullyGdemamiCryomatrixPhryRexKushmanHatefull

    What, me worry?

  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 16,985
    AnOldFart said:
    Ungood said:
    Wait, wait...We've come to the point in gaming where players can outright buy a top position in a player organization with cash?  And other players are so lacking in self respect, they will willingly follow and serve these whales?
    I did not say game or class balance has anything to do with ego.

    The above quote is what I am responding to. Your comment was a negative commentary on other players for no particular reason other than your own neurosis it seems. People do not "serve these whales". It is perfectly reasonable for them to choose to play with a store-bought-King if they think this will enhance their options/enjoyment. The purchase of titles might not be the best design choice, I agree, but it doesn't warrant that level of ridiculous hyperbole. 

    The only person whose sense of "self respect" seems to be triggered by this is yourself and whoever else seem to be personally offended by titles in general. Maybe you need to draw a line between the real and virtual worlds. Playing a game has little go with anyone else's "self respect".
    This is not at all limited to those “offended by titles”. We recently saw this on the forum where a non title owner’s thoughts were discounted because he was “a peasant”.  Seriously. Not in game RP but discussion about the delay.  That’s the kind of mentality this crap instills.

    All animals are equal but some are more equal than others!

    It was only discounted because he was trying to tell those pledged to pick without information.

    Maybe if that "peasant" was pledged and affected by DSS he would have had a different view.


    The person calling him a peasent was wrong to insult but his point was valid
    I was responding to this quote:
    "The only person whose sense of "self respect" seems to be triggered by this is yourself and whoever else seem to be personally offended by titles in general."

    And pointing out that it works both ways.   Some of those who have bought titles also see it as a measure of respect or disrespect for those who have not bought titles. It doesn't just matter to the "peasants" but also the "nobles".

    Not all... just as it doesn't matter to all "peasants", but it does work both ways.
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  • GutlardGutlard Member RarePosts: 1,019
    edited May 2019
    Gutlard said:
    Money does buy fun toys, and fun toys lead to happiness, so money does buy happiness...and prostitutes.

    Gut Out!
    By that logic it also buys herpes so also misery
    Oh no, I think you're confusing my analogy with kickstarter.  :p  ;)

    Gut Out!
    Ungood

    What, me worry?

  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,530
    Anyone that does not believe that money can buy happiness, has never paid the adoption fee from a local shelter.
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    Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.

  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,000
    That's the thing.  Happiness is an internal state which we tend to think is dependent on what does or does not happen in our lives.  It's based on expectations designed by past experiences either real or imagined.  Everyone is free to think happy thoughts or have happy memories whenever they want which are not dependent on external situations.  You become the cause and the effect.  As opposed to reacting to what does or doesn't happen to you.
    Gdemami

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  • GorawynGorawyn Member UncommonPosts: 5
    I bought a Mayor title back when I believed what SBS was selling was the ability to be a part of building the world before the launch of the game. I was gifted a Count title during the Free Kingdom event, about the time that I began to realize that what I originally backed was changed from the original vision I was excited about backing. Neither of them brought me happiness. In fact quite the opposite, both just brought me disappointment in this company.
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  • StaalBurgherStaalBurgher Member UncommonPosts: 265
    edited May 2019

    All animals are equal but some are more equal than others!

    That is a product of someone paying for influence, not the title itself. Besides, you are confusing that quote, which is about communism/marxism/socialism; every modern students fevered wet-dream.
    GdemamiPhryHatefull
  • AnOldFartAnOldFart Member RarePosts: 562
    edited May 2019
    Gorawyn said:
    I bought a Mayor title back when I believed what SBS was selling was the ability to be a part of building the world before the launch of the game. I was gifted a Count title during the Free Kingdom event, about the time that I began to realize that what I originally backed was changed from the original vision I was excited about backing. Neither of them brought me happiness. In fact quite the opposite, both just brought me disappointment in this company.
    I agree 100% whilst I want the game to finish and wish the company well.
    If I had my time again I would burn the money on a bonfire at least I would be warm
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 16,985
    edited May 2019

    All animals are equal but some are more equal than others!

    That is a product of someone paying for influence, not the title itself. Besides, you are confusing that quote, which is about communism/marxism/socialism; every modern students fevered wet-dream.
    I could happily debate the application if the quote but let’s get back to the bulk of the post you skipped.  You made the contention that “The only person who’s sense of “self respect” seems to be triggered by this is yourself and whoever else that seems to be personally offended by titles in general.” I showed you an example to demonstrate that some nobles also see the titles as a form of respect and the lack of them as a form of disrespect.  So since it’s obvious that the “noble” is not offended by titles, will you admit that your statement was incorrect and that both “nobles and peasants” (some not all) see the titles as as matter of respect or disrespect.  

    I will I’ll never forget joining a Discord for the Links Of Elyria event and listening as the players debated which were higher on the totem pole than others based on their spending and who could contact who directly because you “obviously” couldn’t reach out right to the “King”.  Is X high enough to talk to King D?  No? How about Y?  Well could Y at least reach out to A and see if they could ask King D?  All based on how much money one had spent on the game.  Even within Titles there was a segregation.

    It was eye opening.

    Not everyone is like @AnOldFart and going to give up their title.  Many see it as a symbol of their self-worth and place in the community.

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,505

    All animals are equal but some are more equal than others!

    That is a product of someone paying for influence, not the title itself. Besides, you are confusing that quote, which is about communism/marxism/socialism; every modern students fevered wet-dream.
    I could happily debate the application if the quote but let’s get back to the bulk of the post you skipped.  You made the contention that “The only person who’s sense of “self respect” seems to be triggered by this is yourself and whoever else that seems to be personally offended by titles in general.” I showed you an example to demonstrate that some nobles also see the titles as a form of respect and the lack of them as a form of disrespect.  So since it’s obvious that the “noble” is not offended by titles, will you admit that your statement was incorrect and that both “nobles and peasants” (some not all) see the titles as as matter of respect or disrespect.  

    I will I’ll never forget joining a Discord for the Links Of Elyria event and listening as the players debated which were higher on the totem pole than others based on their spending and who could contact who directly because you “obviously” couldn’t reach out right to the “King”.  Is X high enough to talk to King D?  No? How about Y?  Well could Y at least reach out to A and see if they could ask King D?  All based on how much money one had spent on the game.  Even within Titles there was a segregation.

    It was eye opening.

    Not everyone is like @AnOldFart and going to give up their title.  Many see it as a symbol of their self-worth and place in the community.

    I've witnessed "nobles" on the COE forums belittle others for not having spent enough to voice their particular question or concern.

    I've also seen a few "dukes" vow to exterminate any mayor who is so brash as to place a town within "their" borders without first reaching out for "approval."

    Some folks are taking their role of "nobility" far too seriously. 
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  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,502

    All animals are equal but some are more equal than others!

    That is a product of someone paying for influence, not the title itself. Besides, you are confusing that quote, which is about communism/marxism/socialism; every modern students fevered wet-dream.
    I could happily debate the application if the quote but let’s get back to the bulk of the post you skipped.  You made the contention that “The only person who’s sense of “self respect” seems to be triggered by this is yourself and whoever else that seems to be personally offended by titles in general.” I showed you an example to demonstrate that some nobles also see the titles as a form of respect and the lack of them as a form of disrespect.  So since it’s obvious that the “noble” is not offended by titles, will you admit that your statement was incorrect and that both “nobles and peasants” (some not all) see the titles as as matter of respect or disrespect.  

    I will I’ll never forget joining a Discord for the Links Of Elyria event and listening as the players debated which were higher on the totem pole than others based on their spending and who could contact who directly because you “obviously” couldn’t reach out right to the “King”.  Is X high enough to talk to King D?  No? How about Y?  Well could Y at least reach out to A and see if they could ask King D?  All based on how much money one had spent on the game.  Even within Titles there was a segregation.

    It was eye opening.

    Not everyone is like @AnOldFart and going to give up their title.  Many see it as a symbol of their self-worth and place in the community.

    No, you really can't, that quote is directly and unarguably talking about Communism/Marxism/Socialism, and how Russia fell to it calling it "tyranny". Animal farm, Published by Orwell, August 45.

    What you are debating is a bought title in a Monarchy, which while probably very similar issues, especially when anyone without any type of leadership or real responsibility can buy their way into the noble caste is still a vastly different government.

    Either way, as I said before if you can pay to win, or buy your way into "self-importance" no one is going to take you seriously and I would not be surprised if this system was the downfall of this game.

    Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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  • AnOldFartAnOldFart Member RarePosts: 562
    Kyleran said:

    All animals are equal but some are more equal than others!

    That is a product of someone paying for influence, not the title itself. Besides, you are confusing that quote, which is about communism/marxism/socialism; every modern students fevered wet-dream.
    I could happily debate the application if the quote but let’s get back to the bulk of the post you skipped.  You made the contention that “The only person who’s sense of “self respect” seems to be triggered by this is yourself and whoever else that seems to be personally offended by titles in general.” I showed you an example to demonstrate that some nobles also see the titles as a form of respect and the lack of them as a form of disrespect.  So since it’s obvious that the “noble” is not offended by titles, will you admit that your statement was incorrect and that both “nobles and peasants” (some not all) see the titles as as matter of respect or disrespect.  

    I will I’ll never forget joining a Discord for the Links Of Elyria event and listening as the players debated which were higher on the totem pole than others based on their spending and who could contact who directly because you “obviously” couldn’t reach out right to the “King”.  Is X high enough to talk to King D?  No? How about Y?  Well could Y at least reach out to A and see if they could ask King D?  All based on how much money one had spent on the game.  Even within Titles there was a segregation.

    It was eye opening.

    Not everyone is like @AnOldFart and going to give up their title.  Many see it as a symbol of their self-worth and place in the community.

    I've witnessed "nobles" on the COE forums belittle others for not having spent enough to voice their particular question or concern.

    I've also seen a few "dukes" vow to exterminate any mayor who is so brash as to place a town within "their" borders without first reaching out for "approval."

    Some folks are taking their role of "nobility" far too seriously. 
    I wish I could say I haven't seen this myself but I have. 
    The unpledged (god sounds like I am calling them the unclean) want to pick their lands then reach out to their "lord" closer to release. But some Dukes and Counts are threatening to destroy them if they don't reach out sooner.
    It sort of makes a mockery of the influence system... 

    -----------------------

    If I was higher than baron I would still be giving my title away to a democratic vote but I would also accept any and everyone to my lands. 

    If I had money to throw away I would make a play for the now free kingdom and all the spare dukes then set up a free coalition of duchies and offer all the duke titles to groups of players. 
    I would love to see how that played out.

    But I don't have the spare money so I will have to satisfy giving my barony away to people who settle at my village. 
  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,530
    Kyleran said:

    All animals are equal but some are more equal than others!

    That is a product of someone paying for influence, not the title itself. Besides, you are confusing that quote, which is about communism/marxism/socialism; every modern students fevered wet-dream.
    I could happily debate the application if the quote but let’s get back to the bulk of the post you skipped.  You made the contention that “The only person who’s sense of “self respect” seems to be triggered by this is yourself and whoever else that seems to be personally offended by titles in general.” I showed you an example to demonstrate that some nobles also see the titles as a form of respect and the lack of them as a form of disrespect.  So since it’s obvious that the “noble” is not offended by titles, will you admit that your statement was incorrect and that both “nobles and peasants” (some not all) see the titles as as matter of respect or disrespect.  

    I will I’ll never forget joining a Discord for the Links Of Elyria event and listening as the players debated which were higher on the totem pole than others based on their spending and who could contact who directly because you “obviously” couldn’t reach out right to the “King”.  Is X high enough to talk to King D?  No? How about Y?  Well could Y at least reach out to A and see if they could ask King D?  All based on how much money one had spent on the game.  Even within Titles there was a segregation.

    It was eye opening.

    Not everyone is like @AnOldFart and going to give up their title.  Many see it as a symbol of their self-worth and place in the community.

    I've witnessed "nobles" on the COE forums belittle others for not having spent enough to voice their particular question or concern.

    I've also seen a few "dukes" vow to exterminate any mayor who is so brash as to place a town within "their" borders without first reaching out for "approval."

    Some folks are taking their role of "nobility" far too seriously. 
    Players being assholes is a shock to anyone.... why?
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  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,838
    AnOldFart said:
    Kyleran said:

    All animals are equal but some are more equal than others!

    That is a product of someone paying for influence, not the title itself. Besides, you are confusing that quote, which is about communism/marxism/socialism; every modern students fevered wet-dream.
    I could happily debate the application if the quote but let’s get back to the bulk of the post you skipped.  You made the contention that “The only person who’s sense of “self respect” seems to be triggered by this is yourself and whoever else that seems to be personally offended by titles in general.” I showed you an example to demonstrate that some nobles also see the titles as a form of respect and the lack of them as a form of disrespect.  So since it’s obvious that the “noble” is not offended by titles, will you admit that your statement was incorrect and that both “nobles and peasants” (some not all) see the titles as as matter of respect or disrespect.  

    I will I’ll never forget joining a Discord for the Links Of Elyria event and listening as the players debated which were higher on the totem pole than others based on their spending and who could contact who directly because you “obviously” couldn’t reach out right to the “King”.  Is X high enough to talk to King D?  No? How about Y?  Well could Y at least reach out to A and see if they could ask King D?  All based on how much money one had spent on the game.  Even within Titles there was a segregation.

    It was eye opening.

    Not everyone is like @AnOldFart and going to give up their title.  Many see it as a symbol of their self-worth and place in the community.

    I've witnessed "nobles" on the COE forums belittle others for not having spent enough to voice their particular question or concern.

    I've also seen a few "dukes" vow to exterminate any mayor who is so brash as to place a town within "their" borders without first reaching out for "approval."

    Some folks are taking their role of "nobility" far too seriously. 
    I wish I could say I haven't seen this myself but I have. 
    The unpledged (god sounds like I am calling them the unclean) want to pick their lands then reach out to their "lord" closer to release. But some Dukes and Counts are threatening to destroy them if they don't reach out sooner.
    It sort of makes a mockery of the influence system... 

    -----------------------

    If I was higher than baron I would still be giving my title away to a democratic vote but I would also accept any and everyone to my lands. 

    If I had money to throw away I would make a play for the now free kingdom and all the spare dukes then set up a free coalition of duchies and offer all the duke titles to groups of players. 
    I would love to see how that played out.

    But I don't have the spare money so I will have to satisfy giving my barony away to people who settle at my village. 
    You’re head would be cut off.
    -Machiavelli 
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  • Nubz_UniteNubz_Unite Member UncommonPosts: 30
    AnOldFart said:
    Kyleran said:

    All animals are equal but some are more equal than others!

    That is a product of someone paying for influence, not the title itself. Besides, you are confusing that quote, which is about communism/marxism/socialism; every modern students fevered wet-dream.
    I could happily debate the application if the quote but let’s get back to the bulk of the post you skipped.  You made the contention that “The only person who’s sense of “self respect” seems to be triggered by this is yourself and whoever else that seems to be personally offended by titles in general.” I showed you an example to demonstrate that some nobles also see the titles as a form of respect and the lack of them as a form of disrespect.  So since it’s obvious that the “noble” is not offended by titles, will you admit that your statement was incorrect and that both “nobles and peasants” (some not all) see the titles as as matter of respect or disrespect.  

    I will I’ll never forget joining a Discord for the Links Of Elyria event and listening as the players debated which were higher on the totem pole than others based on their spending and who could contact who directly because you “obviously” couldn’t reach out right to the “King”.  Is X high enough to talk to King D?  No? How about Y?  Well could Y at least reach out to A and see if they could ask King D?  All based on how much money one had spent on the game.  Even within Titles there was a segregation.

    It was eye opening.

    Not everyone is like @AnOldFart and going to give up their title.  Many see it as a symbol of their self-worth and place in the community.

    I've witnessed "nobles" on the COE forums belittle others for not having spent enough to voice their particular question or concern.

    I've also seen a few "dukes" vow to exterminate any mayor who is so brash as to place a town within "their" borders without first reaching out for "approval."

    Some folks are taking their role of "nobility" far too seriously. 
    I wish I could say I haven't seen this myself but I have. 
    The unpledged (god sounds like I am calling them the unclean) want to pick their lands then reach out to their "lord" closer to release. But some Dukes and Counts are threatening to destroy them if they don't reach out sooner.
    It sort of makes a mockery of the influence system... 

    -----------------------

    If I was higher than baron I would still be giving my title away to a democratic vote but I would also accept any and everyone to my lands. 

    If I had money to throw away I would make a play for the now free kingdom and all the spare dukes then set up a free coalition of duchies and offer all the duke titles to groups of players. 
    I would love to see how that played out.

    But I don't have the spare money so I will have to satisfy giving my barony away to people who settle at my village. 
    That sort of behaviour I believe is because of a complete failure of SBS. Since the KS the nobles had been forming communities and creating their hierarchical structure and deciding who to pledge to. SBS does nothing to curb this behaviour even though I would hope they knew how DSS would play out and that all these guarantees meant nothing. So eventually it comes out that you can't guarantee land for people and the nobles riot and now SBS lets kings and dukes reserve half their duchy and count spots respectively. Well okay but we were told a kingdom would have 12 dukes and a duchy 24 counts. You set recruitment goals for these nobles and now they have to basically tell people who they have been building communities with for 2 years that they can no longer guarantee their place within their lands. 

    Gee I wonder why some nobles are so defensive about it. If only SBS had any idea what their actually mechanics were and explained them ahead of time.
    Gdemami
  • AnOldFartAnOldFart Member RarePosts: 562
    The claim is they didn't know people would organise communities before DSS. 
    To which I call bulls***
    MendelGdemami
  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,838
    AnOldFart said:
    Kyleran said:

    All animals are equal but some are more equal than others!

    That is a product of someone paying for influence, not the title itself. Besides, you are confusing that quote, which is about communism/marxism/socialism; every modern students fevered wet-dream.
    I could happily debate the application if the quote but let’s get back to the bulk of the post you skipped.  You made the contention that “The only person who’s sense of “self respect” seems to be triggered by this is yourself and whoever else that seems to be personally offended by titles in general.” I showed you an example to demonstrate that some nobles also see the titles as a form of respect and the lack of them as a form of disrespect.  So since it’s obvious that the “noble” is not offended by titles, will you admit that your statement was incorrect and that both “nobles and peasants” (some not all) see the titles as as matter of respect or disrespect.  

    I will I’ll never forget joining a Discord for the Links Of Elyria event and listening as the players debated which were higher on the totem pole than others based on their spending and who could contact who directly because you “obviously” couldn’t reach out right to the “King”.  Is X high enough to talk to King D?  No? How about Y?  Well could Y at least reach out to A and see if they could ask King D?  All based on how much money one had spent on the game.  Even within Titles there was a segregation.

    It was eye opening.

    Not everyone is like @AnOldFart and going to give up their title.  Many see it as a symbol of their self-worth and place in the community.

    I've witnessed "nobles" on the COE forums belittle others for not having spent enough to voice their particular question or concern.

    I've also seen a few "dukes" vow to exterminate any mayor who is so brash as to place a town within "their" borders without first reaching out for "approval."

    Some folks are taking their role of "nobility" far too seriously. 
    I wish I could say I haven't seen this myself but I have. 
    The unpledged (god sounds like I am calling them the unclean) want to pick their lands then reach out to their "lord" closer to release. But some Dukes and Counts are threatening to destroy them if they don't reach out sooner.
    It sort of makes a mockery of the influence system... 

    -----------------------

    If I was higher than baron I would still be giving my title away to a democratic vote but I would also accept any and everyone to my lands. 

    If I had money to throw away I would make a play for the now free kingdom and all the spare dukes then set up a free coalition of duchies and offer all the duke titles to groups of players. 
    I would love to see how that played out.

    But I don't have the spare money so I will have to satisfy giving my barony away to people who settle at my village. 
    That sort of behaviour I believe is because of a complete failure of SBS. Since the KS the nobles had been forming communities and creating their hierarchical structure and deciding who to pledge to. SBS does nothing to curb this behaviour even though I would hope they knew how DSS would play out and that all these guarantees meant nothing. So eventually it comes out that you can't guarantee land for people and the nobles riot and now SBS lets kings and dukes reserve half their duchy and count spots respectively. Well okay but we were told a kingdom would have 12 dukes and a duchy 24 counts. You set recruitment goals for these nobles and now they have to basically tell people who they have been building communities with for 2 years that they can no longer guarantee their place within their lands. 

    Gee I wonder why some nobles are so defensive about it. If only SBS had any idea what their actually mechanics were and explained them ahead of time.
    Just wait till they add the swords! >;)
    AnOldFartScot
    "We see fundamentals and we ape in"
  • MendelMendel Member LegendaryPosts: 5,609
    AnOldFart said:
    The claim is they didn't know people would organise communities before DSS. 
    To which I call bulls***
    It was far too easy to predict this type of behavior.  SBS *should* have realized this was a possibility, at least.  That they didn't consider anticipated behavior of their customers doesn't paint SBS in a positive light.



    bcbullyGdemami

    Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.

  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 22,966
    Mendel said:
    AnOldFart said:
    The claim is they didn't know people would organise communities before DSS. 
    To which I call bulls***
    It was far too easy to predict this type of behavior.  SBS *should* have realized this was a possibility, at least.  That they didn't consider anticipated behavior of their customers doesn't paint SBS in a positive light.



    This is what I have been thinking since I saw the first CoE drama article, a lack of appreciation of the way players play games. Lord British had the excuse so few had done it before when he got killed in the UO opening ceremonies. By now MMO companies should realise how awkward players can be.
    KyleranAnOldFartGdemamiHatefull
  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,838
    Scot said:
    Mendel said:
    AnOldFart said:
    The claim is they didn't know people would organise communities before DSS. 
    To which I call bulls***
    It was far too easy to predict this type of behavior.  SBS *should* have realized this was a possibility, at least.  That they didn't consider anticipated behavior of their customers doesn't paint SBS in a positive light.



    This is what I have been thinking since I saw the first CoE drama article, a lack of appreciation of the way players play games. Lord British had the excuse so few had done it before when he got killed in the UO opening ceremonies. By now MMO companies should realise how awkward players can be.
    This is what sandbox gameplay is my friend. Player have freedom. Emergent content is made.
    AnOldFartScot
    "We see fundamentals and we ape in"
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