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Would you have backed CU if you knew it would take this long?

MightyUncleanMightyUnclean Member EpicPosts: 2,561
Would you have backed Camelot Unchained if you knew that it would still be in development six years later with no end in sight?
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  • Viper482Viper482 Member EpicPosts: 2,716
    No. I am particularly upset that they are trying to pass this early/mid alpha off as a beta. 
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  • LuidenLuiden Member UncommonPosts: 261
    I don't think so, it feels like the Wheel of Time to be honest.. or specifically what happened to Robert Jordan.  Everybody kept praising Robert for his incredible level of detail and his later books were 1000 page plus novels that didn't move the story along at all because he was obsessed with detail.   

    It feels like CU is obsessed with large scale wars and getting as many people into 1 spot as possible... but let's be honest here, massive large scale war isn't exactly all that exciting.  It's fun to do a few times but the real enjoyment comes from small scale combat, taking objectives in a timely order.. not fighting for 12 hours straight only to knock down 1 wall. 

    It just feels like all their effort and testing goes into 1 aspect of the game.. if that is the only thing this game does at release I'm going to be really pissed.     
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  • TillerTiller Member EpicPosts: 8,017
    Never back MMOs, it's always a disappointment, even if it does eventually launch.
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  • FearumFearum Member UncommonPosts: 1,175
    Yes.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,073
    edited May 1
    Based on what was offered in the package for $50 I'd have to say yes.

    Young Warrior: This “early adopter” tier gets all the NEW RECRUIT rewards (below) and THESE UPGRADES: an ADDITIONAL 15 FOUNDER’S POINTS (25 total) + ONE ADDITIONAL FREE MONTH (two total) + SILVER FORUM BADGE + BETA 1 ACCESS. In addition, you receive ONE DIGITAL, DRM-FREE COPY OF GAME’S SOUNDTRACK+ SPECIAL THANKS IN THE IN-GAME CREDITS + FOUNDER’S ICON for your crafter character(s) + ACCESS TO THE REALM-RESTRICTED FOUNDER’S CHAT + ONE EXTRA BETA 3 INVITE + ONE ADDITIONAL CHARACTER SLOT AT LAUNCH. 

    New Recruit:You get ONE DIGITAL COPY OF Camelot Unchained (all copies of Camelot Unchained come with at least a one month subscription) + OFFICIAL THANK YOU from all of us at CSE + REALM BUILDER HONOR + IN-GAME BADGE OF PIONEER + FIVE FOUNDER’S POINTS for buyers of March On Oz (CSE Bonus Points) + TEN FOUNDER’S POINTS + ACCESS TO THE FOUNDER’S EXCHANGE to redeem your Founder’s Points + “LIVING” DIGITAL MANUAL + SPECIAL IN-GAME TITLE + FOUNDER’S GRAVESTONE + BRONZE FORUM BADGE + SPECIAL FOUNDER’S APP for iOS and Android, FOUNDER’S RINGTONES AND WALLPAPER + “LIVING” DIGITAL STRATEGY GUIDE + INVITATION TO ALL STRESS TESTS and GUARANTEED ACCESS TO BETA 2. 

    Plus I could always get my money back as they STILL offer refunds!

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  • OldSchoolGamerOldSchoolGamer Member UncommonPosts: 226
    Absolutely!   Why not.  They keep us informed and they are not trying to milk us out of $300 million on ships and land unlike some other game that shall not be named while they take 2x as long to develop a game with no end in sight.
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  • MightyUncleanMightyUnclean Member EpicPosts: 2,561
    Viper482 said:
    No. I am particularly upset that they are trying to pass this early/mid alpha off as a beta. 
    Yeah, it's pretty clear that it is not a traditional beta.  I don't get why they would be so transparent about their development process, and then be misleading about this.  I guess if they said after six years that they were still in alpha, a ton of potential players would lose faith.
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  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 6,553
    I've lost money on crowd funded games in the past. I've requested refunds on others, but so long as people keep pumping money into Star Citizen, games like Crowfall, Camelot Unchained and Pantheon really pale in comparison.

    It's a catch 22 really. We can't get quality games from AAA publisher / developers because they don't know what quality means anymore. So we are forced to invest in indie developers in hopes of bringing the market back into a reasonably decent format. Unfortunately, indie developers are small, so game development takes longer.

    All I know is, AAA game developers can kiss my butt. Except for maybe CD Projekt Red, if they even consider themselves AAA. I consider them AAA, but I'm not sure what they consider themselves.
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  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 2,651
    Robert Jordan books pissed me off. Each book was worse than the one prior. I remember reading 100's of pages of shit with no movement of the story and it kept getting worse and worse. I didn't even bother reading the last 2 books because I had it with his bullshit. 

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  • AlmostLancelotAlmostLancelot Member UncommonPosts: 135
    Luiden said:
    I don't think so, it feels like the Wheel of Time to be honest.. or specifically what happened to Robert Jordan.  Everybody kept praising Robert for his incredible level of detail and his later books were 1000 page plus novels that didn't move the story along at all because he was obsessed with detail.   

    It feels like CU is obsessed with large scale wars and getting as many people into 1 spot as possible... but let's be honest here, massive large scale war isn't exactly all that exciting.  It's fun to do a few times but the real enjoyment comes from small scale combat, taking objectives in a timely order.. not fighting for 12 hours straight only to knock down 1 wall. 

    It just feels like all their effort and testing goes into 1 aspect of the game.. if that is the only thing this game does at release I'm going to be really pissed.     
    It was the same problem that plagued Stephen King as well.

    The guy is a brilliant author, but can spend fifteen pages describing a forest. After a while it just starts to get old.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 34,013
    Luiden said:
    I don't think so, it feels like the Wheel of Time to be honest.. or specifically what happened to Robert Jordan.  Everybody kept praising Robert for his incredible level of detail and his later books were 1000 page plus novels that didn't move the story along at all because he was obsessed with detail.   

    It feels like CU is obsessed with large scale wars and getting as many people into 1 spot as possible... but let's be honest here, massive large scale war isn't exactly all that exciting.  It's fun to do a few times but the real enjoyment comes from small scale combat, taking objectives in a timely order.. not fighting for 12 hours straight only to knock down 1 wall. 

    It just feels like all their effort and testing goes into 1 aspect of the game.. if that is the only thing this game does at release I'm going to be really pissed.     
    It was the same problem that plagued Stephen King as well.

    The guy is a brilliant author, but can spend fifteen pages describing a forest. After a while it just starts to get old.
    The Dark Tower Series being the most notable in my mind....

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 34,013
    Would you have backed Camelot Unchained if you knew that it would still be in development six years later with no end in sight?
    Honestly?  No.  I would have waited until they were much closer to launch which I've done with most every other early access game.

    Meaning, outside of Albion Online and CU, no one else has received any of my money.




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  • RelampagoRelampago Member UncommonPosts: 339
    I remember writing here that I backed CU and Crowfall and thought Crowfall will come out sooner when the CU white knights came out.  I am not upset about backing either I have faith in Mark and CU but I believe I am also a realist.  This one will be in the oven for a while.
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  • kitaradkitarad Member EpicPosts: 5,127
    Most backers have unrealistic expectations. This is no exception.
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  • meddyckmeddyck Member UncommonPosts: 1,274
    If I knew in 2013 what I know now, I think I still would have backed it but only at the lowest tier that came with a copy of the game (Bleached Bones $25) rather than the tier I actually backed. I still would have wanted to help the KS fund so that the game would even have a chance of being made, but I would have had much lower expectations for how fun it would be for me and launching in 2020/2021 rather than 2015 for sure would have made it a much less appealing investment.

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  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 9,783
    Viper482 said:
    No. I am particularly upset that they are trying to pass this early/mid alpha off as a beta. 
    Yeah, it's pretty clear that it is not a traditional beta.  I don't get why they would be so transparent about their development process, and then be misleading about this.  I guess if they said after six years that they were still in alpha, a ton of potential players would lose faith.
    Well I can remember a time when players were not it invited to alpha... we only beta tested... it could take a year...
  • FinvegaFinvega Member UncommonPosts: 156
    I went and got a degree in Beta Test Scheduling so I could better understand why testing dates and times needed to line up with the Astrological Signs of the developer's. 

    So now I am cool with all that, and ya...whatever. 
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 34,013
    kitarad said:
    Most backers have unrealistic expectations. This is no exception.
    C'mon now, MJ, an experienced developer projected a two year completion time frame.

    Most backers knew that was a "bit" aggressive but as we've just gone past six years with no revised release date yet is it really unrealistic to expect one?
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  • mklinicmklinic Member UncommonPosts: 1,567
    I believe I would have. To date, they've been pretty decent with communication and I feel like I've gotten my money's worth in entertainment value (between updates, news letters, streams, etc). It's been an interesting peek behind the curtain that I otherwise might not have gotten. I didn't back at what I would consider to be a high level, so other people's mileage may vary.

    That said, isn't the question a bit moot since, as far as I am aware, backers can still request refunds? I get the point of reflecting, but then anyone who has become dissatisfied has a remedy. If they've put an end to refunds, then disregard. I may just be a bit behind...
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,073
    Kyleran said:
    kitarad said:
    Most backers have unrealistic expectations. This is no exception.
    C'mon now, MJ, an experienced developer projected a two year completion time frame.

    Most backers knew that was a "bit" aggressive but as we've just gone past six years with no revised release date yet is it really unrealistic to expect one?
    Totally agree. The Devs are the ones that set the expectations.  If MJ didn’t offer refunds I would be hounding him, but to me that makes all the difference as tomorrow I could just decide that it’s been too long and get my money back. If anything, the delays just hurt MJ as he has had to sell off parts of his product/company to investors and has no run weekly,monthly sales like most other multi-year late Crowdfunded MMORPGs do. He is feeling the pain of the delays.

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,098
    Luiden said:
    I don't think so, it feels like the Wheel of Time to be honest.. or specifically what happened to Robert Jordan.  Everybody kept praising Robert for his incredible level of detail and his later books were 1000 page plus novels that didn't move the story along at all because he was obsessed with detail.   

    It feels like CU is obsessed with large scale wars and getting as many people into 1 spot as possible... but let's be honest here, massive large scale war isn't exactly all that exciting.  It's fun to do a few times but the real enjoyment comes from small scale combat, taking objectives in a timely order.. not fighting for 12 hours straight only to knock down 1 wall. 

    It just feels like all their effort and testing goes into 1 aspect of the game.. if that is the only thing this game does at release I'm going to be really pissed.     
    Not for me, I absolutely love large scale wars. Prefer them. Best Siege in Lineage 2 was so large everyone stood still on screen in the initial charge and my game crashed. Once I restarted it was simply the best 2 hours I had in an mmo.

    I've backed Camelot unchained, they send updates all the time and I'm not really disappointed.


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  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 3,303
    I decided long ago that being a 'backer' wasn't something I was interested in.  Why should I fund another guy's development dreams, especially without any security?  In hindsight, I think my blood pressure has benefited most from that decision.



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  • GaladournGaladourn Member RarePosts: 1,802
    Coming to think about it... yes; a noble/honest goal is always worth the support, even if time schedules and deadlines fly out the windows.
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 21,003
    No.  And I didn't back it as it was.  Launch a game and I'll have a look and see if I want to "back" it at that point by paying to play it.
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  • UltorXUltorX Member UncommonPosts: 56
    It's taking awfully long but they have such a small team I'm not really surprised.
    They keep backers constantly in the loop though, lots and lots of information for you to check out if you want to know how it looks behind the curtain.

    Whatever happens it was still worth taking a shot just to show support for the kind of design ideas/stance on microtransactions that were behind the game.
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