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  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,413
    A game where you can't faceroll swipe through enemies in a second?

    I'm not going to lie, i am more interested now (didn't really care much when first announced). It looks more and more like a classic crpg turned third person mmo. I like it.

    I hope it is good enough to justify the sub whenever it launches.
    Margrave




  • KumaponKumapon Member RarePosts: 1,345
    edited April 2019
    Brasse was so funny, and was great on the stream. That role play... :D 

    Are pantheon Dwarves Scottish?

    The dwarf models already look 100% better than the old ones, and the UI took some getting used to, but it’s very clean. I can’t wait to see more races implemented with the new animations.
  • MightyUncleanMightyUnclean Member EpicPosts: 3,344
    What's the ETA on full release?
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,361
    edited April 2019
    What's the ETA on full release?
    They probably have the trademark on "when its finished."

    I dunno why, but the thread title seems like it would be complete if it had "hold my beer" on the end of it.

    ;)

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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 2,697
    Kyleran said:
    What's the ETA on full release?
    They probably have the trademark on "when its finished."

    I dunno why, but the thread title seems like it would be complete if it had "hold my beer" on the end of it.

    ;)
    Hold my beer. 
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  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,277
    edited April 2019
    "And so far this will be only for PC"

    "So far, yes"


    Just make it PC only please....As we see with games like FFXIV, consoles just hold mmorpgs back overall.
    AdamantineAmathesvann
  • MightyUncleanMightyUnclean Member EpicPosts: 3,344
    I watched some of the video.  Oh thank God, no parkour or dodge rolling.
    Viper482Gyva02
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 17,862
    So if i am showcasing what my game is doing,what the systems are doing,they are  not doing that.
    Not into this banner idea,buffs.debuffs should be with the players classes and not on some pole/flag.

    Right away the npc's were just standing/floating there motionless.
    Aside from the banner there is no talk about what the combat and classes are doing.I am not seeing ANY group work,just a banner and each player playing solo.So no this is not good and has not evolved as a game,this is just EQ again.
    What bothers me is mention chat seemingly didn't like slower combat.It is not about SPEED it SHOULD be about purpose ,action and reaction and not just whack 1-2 dead.I do NOT want to play ARPG's...ever,they are garbage designs for a rpg game.

    This video actually bummed me out,i would rather not see anything yet if they are just going to show me FAKE grouping,dropping a banner down does not make it feel like a group.
    Where is the player to player combos,WHY is dude's swords on fire,is there ANY elemental effects/reason in the systems?

    This is just how do i say it,,low level game design.I need to see MUCH better.


    bcbully

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 17,862
    edited April 2019
    Even Brad mentions,.."you don't want to just be standing there hitting with your sword in a game like this"but that is pretty much what i am seeing.Even still they NEED to be explaining talking,i don't want to just watch and learn nothing.
    Strike
    Slam
    Slash
    I had to look for these in the chat box because nobody is talking about it.
    Do they even matter or are they just words?
    Same thing when he mentions classes have different resources,are they actually DIFFERENT or just different words?
    The AGED idea of MEZZ shows how bad the combat system is.If you mez there should be a chance to fail and/or when the mez becomes released he should head straight for the mezzer and pretty much kill that player within 2-3 hits.In other words,it should not be a SIMPLE cast to easily remove a mob or two from battle,it should be a LAST resort a VERY risk attempt.
    bcbully

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • MightyUncleanMightyUnclean Member EpicPosts: 3,344
    edited April 2019
    Wizardry said:
    So if i am showcasing what my game is doing,what the systems are doing,they are  not doing that.
    Not into this banner idea,buffs.debuffs should be with the players classes and not on some pole/flag.

    Right away the npc's were just standing/floating there motionless.
    Aside from the banner there is no talk about what the combat and classes are doing.I am not seeing ANY group work,just a banner and each player playing solo.So no this is not good and has not evolved as a game,this is just EQ again.
    What bothers me is mention chat seemingly didn't like slower combat.It is not about SPEED it SHOULD be about purpose ,action and reaction and not just whack 1-2 dead.I do NOT want to play ARPG's...ever,they are garbage designs for a rpg game.

    This video actually bummed me out,i would rather not see anything yet if they are just going to show me FAKE grouping,dropping a banner down does not make it feel like a group.
    Where is the player to player combos,WHY is dude's swords on fire,is there ANY elemental effects/reason in the systems?

    This is just how do i say it,,low level game design.I need to see MUCH better.


    Hooooooooly shit, Wizardry didn't like a game!  That's a first.
    KyleranSovrathdragonlee66LackingMMO
  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    Kyleran said:
    What's the ETA on full release?
    They probably have the trademark on "when its finished."

    I dunno why, but the thread title seems like it would be complete if it had "hold my beer" on the end of it.

    ;)
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  • rounnerrounner Member UncommonPosts: 713
    Wizardry said:
    Even Brad mentions,.."you don't want to just be standing there hitting with your sword in a game like this"but that is pretty much what i am seeing.Even still they NEED to be explaining talking,i don't want to just watch and learn nothing.
    Strike
    Slam
    Slash
    I had to look for these in the chat box because nobody is talking about it.
    Do they even matter or are they just words?
    Same thing when he mentions classes have different resources,are they actually DIFFERENT or just different words?
    The AGED idea of MEZZ shows how bad the combat system is.If you mez there should be a chance to fail and/or when the mez becomes released he should head straight for the mezzer and pretty much kill that player within 2-3 hits.In other words,it should not be a SIMPLE cast to easily remove a mob or two from battle,it should be a LAST resort a VERY risk attempt.

    I can't disagree with the first part, it makes me think of politicians; watch what they do not what they say.

    With the mez bit though, making it a last resort or something you can't rely on is basically removing it from the combat mechanics. Surely its utility should be on par so it is balanced not watered down into an escape.
  • AdamantineAdamantine Member RarePosts: 4,430
    Kumapon said:

    Are pantheon Dwarves Scottish?
    Err ... has anyone ever made Dwarves that do NOT get a scottish accent ?

    Please set a sig so I can read your posting even if somebody "agreed" etc with it. Thanks.
  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 6,512
    Wizardry said:
    So if i am showcasing what my game is doing,what the systems are doing,they are  not doing that.
    Not into this banner idea,buffs.debuffs should be with the players classes and not on some pole/flag.

    Right away the npc's were just standing/floating there motionless.
    Aside from the banner there is no talk about what the combat and classes are doing.I am not seeing ANY group work,just a banner and each player playing solo.So no this is not good and has not evolved as a game,this is just EQ again.
    What bothers me is mention chat seemingly didn't like slower combat.It is not about SPEED it SHOULD be about purpose ,action and reaction and not just whack 1-2 dead.I do NOT want to play ARPG's...ever,they are garbage designs for a rpg game.

    This video actually bummed me out,i would rather not see anything yet if they are just going to show me FAKE grouping,dropping a banner down does not make it feel like a group.
    Where is the player to player combos,WHY is dude's swords on fire,is there ANY elemental effects/reason in the systems?

    This is just how do i say it,,low level game design.I need to see MUCH better.


    It's like animated chess. First you move your stiff plastic bishop piece into position.  After it slides into position the animation then starts as you press abilities.

    Love the game, waiting for the game and plan on finally playing an mmorpg for years.  But it does have a 1999 way about it........ I hope the coding is better than EQ1 and 2.

    Too much griphics not enough coding.
    Sovrath
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,361
    Kumapon said:

    Are pantheon Dwarves Scottish?
    Err ... has anyone ever made Dwarves that do NOT get a scottish accent ?

    Better than Jamacian I suppose.
    Sovrath

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    "I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant

    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing FO76 at the moment.

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  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 10,211
    Wizardry said:
    So if i am showcasing what my game is doing,what the systems are doing,they are  not doing that.
    Not into this banner idea,buffs.debuffs should be with the players classes and not on some pole/flag.

    Right away the npc's were just standing/floating there motionless.
    Aside from the banner there is no talk about what the combat and classes are doing.I am not seeing ANY group work,just a banner and each player playing solo.So no this is not good and has not evolved as a game,this is just EQ again.
    What bothers me is mention chat seemingly didn't like slower combat.It is not about SPEED it SHOULD be about purpose ,action and reaction and not just whack 1-2 dead.I do NOT want to play ARPG's...ever,they are garbage designs for a rpg game.

    This video actually bummed me out,i would rather not see anything yet if they are just going to show me FAKE grouping,dropping a banner down does not make it feel like a group.
    Where is the player to player combos,WHY is dude's swords on fire,is there ANY elemental effects/reason in the systems?

    This is just how do i say it,,low level game design.I need to see MUCH better.


    Hooooooooly shit, Wizardry didn't like a game!  That's a first.
    Hooooooly shit I agree with everything he said :O
    Kyleran
  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,391
    Kumapon said:

    Are pantheon Dwarves Scottish?
    Err ... has anyone ever made Dwarves that do NOT get a scottish accent ?

    Just the ones that follow Snow White around.
    SovrathConstantineMerus

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  • TokkenTokken Member RarePosts: 2,519
    DMKano said:
    One of the few games I have zero regrets putting my money into while in early access.

    I hope it turns out to be on par with classic EQ1 in terms of gameplay depth.
    yes, I regret not buying in early when I had the chance.
    Make PvE GREAT Again!
  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 3,910
    I watched through the mini-boss fight (and aftermath).  This was totally the 1999 EQ1 game play with improved graphics.  While many will appreciate that, it just doesn't work for me anymore.  VR seems to talk a good game, but it is really dated.

    Do something different, please!  More teamwork.  Multi-character combos.  Less reliance on AOE effects (banners).  The largest fight was 3 mobs against the party -- make the fights more chaotic and numerically balanced.  Make it so the party needs to vary their tactics -- every fight was the exact same.  Make the players react to dynamic events and enemy action.  Move the mobs around dynamically -- fighting against static mobs plays like a puzzle game, not a fight.

    The industry needs a new game, but it doesn't need a return to 1999.



    Prepared

    Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.

  • MightyUncleanMightyUnclean Member EpicPosts: 3,344
    bcbully said:
    Wizardry said:
    So if i am showcasing what my game is doing,what the systems are doing,they are  not doing that.
    Not into this banner idea,buffs.debuffs should be with the players classes and not on some pole/flag.

    Right away the npc's were just standing/floating there motionless.
    Aside from the banner there is no talk about what the combat and classes are doing.I am not seeing ANY group work,just a banner and each player playing solo.So no this is not good and has not evolved as a game,this is just EQ again.
    What bothers me is mention chat seemingly didn't like slower combat.It is not about SPEED it SHOULD be about purpose ,action and reaction and not just whack 1-2 dead.I do NOT want to play ARPG's...ever,they are garbage designs for a rpg game.

    This video actually bummed me out,i would rather not see anything yet if they are just going to show me FAKE grouping,dropping a banner down does not make it feel like a group.
    Where is the player to player combos,WHY is dude's swords on fire,is there ANY elemental effects/reason in the systems?

    This is just how do i say it,,low level game design.I need to see MUCH better.


    Hooooooooly shit, Wizardry didn't like a game!  That's a first.
    Hooooooly shit I agree with everything he said :O
    Let me guess:  Not enough open world, full-loot PvP for you?
  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,413
    edited April 2019
    Albatroes said:
    "And so far this will be only for PC"

    "So far, yes"


    Just make it PC only please....As we see with games like FFXIV, consoles just hold mmorpgs back overall.
    Nothing about Pantheon would be held back on a console. FFXIV runs deliciously well on base PS4.

    Also, next gen will be even closer to modern PCs so by the time Pantheon fully launches, if popular they could port it to next gen. If anything, XIV showed how well traditional mmorpgs work on consoles.

    I don't believe it will ever happen, and that is OK. Exclusives move platform sales and PC should have their own exclusives too, It always has.




  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,361
    Albatroes said:
    "And so far this will be only for PC"

    "So far, yes"


    Just make it PC only please....As we see with games like FFXIV, consoles just hold mmorpgs back overall.
    Nothing about Pantheon would be held back on a console. FFXIV runs deliciously well on base PS4.

    Also, next gen will be even closer to modern PCs so by the time Pantheon fully launches, if popular they could port it to next gen. If anything, XIV showed how well traditional mmorpgs work on consoles.

    I don't believe it will ever happen, and that is OK. Exclusives move platform sales and PC should have their own exclusives too, It always has.
    Keyboard and mouse controls is what separates the platforms and why FFIV suffers some due to having to mesh well with a controller, same for ESO.

    "See normal people, I'm not one of them" | G-Easy & Big Sean

    "I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant

    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing FO76 at the moment.

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    Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™

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  • kertinkertin Member UncommonPosts: 252
    looks so bad I want my Vanguard to be ressurected :(
  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,391
    Mendel said:

    "This was totally the 1999 EQ1 game play with improved graphics."

    WIN 



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  • cheyanecheyane Member EpicPosts: 7,229
    Amathe said:
    Mendel said:

    "This was totally the 1999 EQ1 game play with improved graphics."

    WIN 



    Exactly what I want too so total win.
    Amathekitarad
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    Avasarala: "Wherever I goddamn like."
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