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Biggest missed opportunity: No Dark Age of Camelot (DAOC) remake or classic servers

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  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,180
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    Everyone has their favorite cereal. Too bad everyone else feels the need to piss it.
    Nahh.. if you are still eating the Super Sugar Cotton Candy Puffs, I ain't gonna tell you to stop.

    If you haven't had them in 10 years and tell me they were the best cereal ever, and how you and your friends use to eat bowls and bowls till you saw spots from sugar overdose.. please understand.. I am not going to buy into your little reminisce fantasy. 
    Lucky charms still is the best cereal ever. Deal with it.
    Do you still enjoy a bowl of it every morning? 
    I don't eat breakfast and avoid carbs most of the time, but when I do have cereal you bet it's lucky charms!

    Doesn't matter if it's been 20 years it still tastes amazing.
    Well, regardless if we agree or not, if that is what you think is the best, by all means, enjoy.

    Nowadays I fill up on eggs, toast, sometimes a steak, and a bowl of assorted fruit for breakfast, with 2 cups of coffee to wash it down and an extra thermos for the road... I don't think I could ever go back to any of the Cereals of my youth.

    But.. To each their own eh?
    To each their own...yet you assert and agree with @Wizardry that very few people can differentiate between good game design and fun...If a game is FUN, it is a good design by definition. Don't we play games to have fun? I do, I won't speak for the rest of the world, but I know a few people that play games for fun. 

    If it's not fun, and you aren't getting paid to do it, and it's not a favor for a friend or family member...why the fuck would you do it?

    Whelp, I guess I better go play this shitty game and have a miserable time because there is just nothing else to do.

    Does that make any sense to you? If people play a game and enjoy it, it's good game design. Now an argument can be made that some games are designed better than others, ergo they attract larger crowds but at the end of the day, if people like the game and enjoy it, then it was designed well despite what you and the complainer have to say.


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  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 6,540
    Kyleran said:
    Thane said:
    Havent played, and not interested in the concept. Sorry. *shrug*

    I like the idea of PvP, but players should come up with competing groups by themselves.

    Also dont like being restricted in my race choices. I want to be free to play all races and classes, thank you very much.


    yea, but they won't. if there are no realms, players will just form a goon squad and gank everything in sight. happened every time so far they had the chance. the russians seem to be epecially good at mass ganking as it seems.
    Even with realms DAOC always struggled with imbalances and zerging.  MJ has said 'this time" it will be different, but I'll believe it when I see it.

    Besides, there is a good chance they'll restrict access with regional servers as they did with DAOC in the early days. (EU and Japanese as I recall.)

    Well, when they switched from Old Frontiers to the New Frontiers, it created viable RvR for groups smaller than 8 mans. Heck, even a 2 man team could take towers. Sometimes all it takes is tweaks in the game mechanics and you can open up a whole new form of playstyle for people to enjoy. While I hated Trials of Atlantis and the relics that came with it, I actually enjoyed the New Frontiers over the Old Frontiers.
    Hatefull

  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,291
    Kyleran said:
    <snip>
    Even with realms DAOC always struggled with imbalances and zerging.  MJ has said 'this time" it will be different, but I'll believe it when I see it.

    Besides, there is a good chance they'll restrict access with regional servers as they did with DAOC in the early days. (EU and Japanese as I recall.)

    "This time it will be different" - I agree with you; believe it when I see it.

    MF managed - by and large - to balance ESO's RvR through a) mega-servers b) the cap on RvR numbers c) enough players to keep the campaigns more "full" d) pretty much a classless design. What MJ will try we will find out.

    Regional access - probably.

    The DAoC EU servers were run under license because - at the time - Mythic didn't have the money to set up the operation. From memory they were operated by Vivendi. And as you say there were indeed Japanese servers also - I think - licensed.

    Global servers would be possible - technically - but if they were to do that they would have to adopt non-US data protection / privacy laws. Think that might work. That may be a better option than running regional servers but like you I suspect they will be regional.
  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 2,757
    Hatefull said:
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    Everyone has their favorite cereal. Too bad everyone else feels the need to piss it.
    Nahh.. if you are still eating the Super Sugar Cotton Candy Puffs, I ain't gonna tell you to stop.

    If you haven't had them in 10 years and tell me they were the best cereal ever, and how you and your friends use to eat bowls and bowls till you saw spots from sugar overdose.. please understand.. I am not going to buy into your little reminisce fantasy. 
    Lucky charms still is the best cereal ever. Deal with it.
    Do you still enjoy a bowl of it every morning? 
    I don't eat breakfast and avoid carbs most of the time, but when I do have cereal you bet it's lucky charms!

    Doesn't matter if it's been 20 years it still tastes amazing.
    Well, regardless if we agree or not, if that is what you think is the best, by all means, enjoy.

    Nowadays I fill up on eggs, toast, sometimes a steak, and a bowl of assorted fruit for breakfast, with 2 cups of coffee to wash it down and an extra thermos for the road... I don't think I could ever go back to any of the Cereals of my youth.

    But.. To each their own eh?
    To each their own...yet you assert and agree with @Wizardry that very few people can differentiate between good game design and fun...If a game is FUN, it is a good design by definition. Don't we play games to have fun? I do, I won't speak for the rest of the world, but I know a few people that play games for fun. 

    If it's not fun, and you aren't getting paid to do it, and it's not a favor for a friend or family member...why the fuck would you do it?

    Whelp, I guess I better go play this shitty game and have a miserable time because there is just nothing else to do.

    Does that make any sense to you? If people play a game and enjoy it, it's good game design. Now an argument can be made that some games are designed better than others, ergo they attract larger crowds but at the end of the day, if people like the game and enjoy it, then it was designed well despite what you and the complainer have to say.


    You are vastly misrepresenting what I said.. but I lack the give-a-shit to correct you. so.. yah.. keep on keeping on I guess.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 33,932
    gervaise1 said:
    Kyleran said:
    <snip>
    Even with realms DAOC always struggled with imbalances and zerging.  MJ has said 'this time" it will be different, but I'll believe it when I see it.

    Besides, there is a good chance they'll restrict access with regional servers as they did with DAOC in the early days. (EU and Japanese as I recall.)

    "This time it will be different" - I agree with you; believe it when I see it.

    MF managed - by and large - to balance ESO's RvR through a) mega-servers b) the cap on RvR numbers c) enough players to keep the campaigns more "full" d) pretty much a classless design. What MJ will try we will find out.

    Regional access - probably.

    The DAoC EU servers were run under license because - at the time - Mythic didn't have the money to set up the operation. From memory they were operated by Vivendi. And as you say there were indeed Japanese servers also - I think - licensed.

    Global servers would be possible - technically - but if they were to do that they would have to adopt non-US data protection / privacy laws. Think that might work. That may be a better option than running regional servers but like you I suspect they will be regional.
    Good points, the tech landscape today is dramatically different than it was in 2001 and DAOC fairly quickly had to close down the regionals and migrate players to the US servers.

    They delayed the start of Beta One due to efforts to get GDPR compliant, so perhaps this time they will handle it all themselves.

    Still, I wonder if they will have regional servers at launch to keep ping times down, during testing EU is playing on US.
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  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,180
    Ungood said:
    Hatefull said:
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    Everyone has their favorite cereal. Too bad everyone else feels the need to piss it.
    Nahh.. if you are still eating the Super Sugar Cotton Candy Puffs, I ain't gonna tell you to stop.

    If you haven't had them in 10 years and tell me they were the best cereal ever, and how you and your friends use to eat bowls and bowls till you saw spots from sugar overdose.. please understand.. I am not going to buy into your little reminisce fantasy. 
    Lucky charms still is the best cereal ever. Deal with it.
    Do you still enjoy a bowl of it every morning? 
    I don't eat breakfast and avoid carbs most of the time, but when I do have cereal you bet it's lucky charms!

    Doesn't matter if it's been 20 years it still tastes amazing.
    Well, regardless if we agree or not, if that is what you think is the best, by all means, enjoy.

    Nowadays I fill up on eggs, toast, sometimes a steak, and a bowl of assorted fruit for breakfast, with 2 cups of coffee to wash it down and an extra thermos for the road... I don't think I could ever go back to any of the Cereals of my youth.

    But.. To each their own eh?
    To each their own...yet you assert and agree with @Wizardry that very few people can differentiate between good game design and fun...If a game is FUN, it is a good design by definition. Don't we play games to have fun? I do, I won't speak for the rest of the world, but I know a few people that play games for fun. 

    If it's not fun, and you aren't getting paid to do it, and it's not a favor for a friend or family member...why the fuck would you do it?

    Whelp, I guess I better go play this shitty game and have a miserable time because there is just nothing else to do.

    Does that make any sense to you? If people play a game and enjoy it, it's good game design. Now an argument can be made that some games are designed better than others, ergo they attract larger crowds but at the end of the day, if people like the game and enjoy it, then it was designed well despite what you and the complainer have to say.


    You are vastly misrepresenting what I said.. but I lack the give-a-shit to correct you. so.. yah.. keep on keeping on I guess.
    I can only take what you said at face value, what else could it mean? Or were you strictly speaking to breakfast foods and everything else has to be your way or the highway? I am not clear on what you are getting at.

    My point was, and is, if a game is fun, and the people playing it are having fun, then how is it poor design? If you "don't give a shit" then why are you even in this thread?
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  • TillerTiller Member EpicPosts: 7,989
    Why and the hell did this thread go into what people eat for breakfast? You all are weird xD
    ChildoftheShadowsHatefull


  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 2,757
    Hatefull said:
    Ungood said:
    Hatefull said:
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    Everyone has their favorite cereal. Too bad everyone else feels the need to piss it.
    Nahh.. if you are still eating the Super Sugar Cotton Candy Puffs, I ain't gonna tell you to stop.

    If you haven't had them in 10 years and tell me they were the best cereal ever, and how you and your friends use to eat bowls and bowls till you saw spots from sugar overdose.. please understand.. I am not going to buy into your little reminisce fantasy. 
    Lucky charms still is the best cereal ever. Deal with it.
    Do you still enjoy a bowl of it every morning? 
    I don't eat breakfast and avoid carbs most of the time, but when I do have cereal you bet it's lucky charms!

    Doesn't matter if it's been 20 years it still tastes amazing.
    Well, regardless if we agree or not, if that is what you think is the best, by all means, enjoy.

    Nowadays I fill up on eggs, toast, sometimes a steak, and a bowl of assorted fruit for breakfast, with 2 cups of coffee to wash it down and an extra thermos for the road... I don't think I could ever go back to any of the Cereals of my youth.

    But.. To each their own eh?
    To each their own...yet you assert and agree with @Wizardry that very few people can differentiate between good game design and fun...If a game is FUN, it is a good design by definition. Don't we play games to have fun? I do, I won't speak for the rest of the world, but I know a few people that play games for fun. 

    If it's not fun, and you aren't getting paid to do it, and it's not a favor for a friend or family member...why the fuck would you do it?

    Whelp, I guess I better go play this shitty game and have a miserable time because there is just nothing else to do.

    Does that make any sense to you? If people play a game and enjoy it, it's good game design. Now an argument can be made that some games are designed better than others, ergo they attract larger crowds but at the end of the day, if people like the game and enjoy it, then it was designed well despite what you and the complainer have to say.


    You are vastly misrepresenting what I said.. but I lack the give-a-shit to correct you. so.. yah.. keep on keeping on I guess.
    I can only take what you said at face value, what else could it mean? Or were you strictly speaking to breakfast foods and everything else has to be your way or the highway? I am not clear on what you are getting at.

    My point was, and is, if a game is fun, and the people playing it are having fun, then how is it poor design? If you "don't give a shit" then why are you even in this thread?
    Well, loving the additional assumptions.. but look, if you didn't read what I said the first time, where I explained all this, why should I bother to say it again?

    So keep on keeping on I guess.. 
  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,180
    Ungood said:
    Hatefull said:
    Ungood said:
    Hatefull said:
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    Everyone has their favorite cereal. Too bad everyone else feels the need to piss it.
    Nahh.. if you are still eating the Super Sugar Cotton Candy Puffs, I ain't gonna tell you to stop.

    If you haven't had them in 10 years and tell me they were the best cereal ever, and how you and your friends use to eat bowls and bowls till you saw spots from sugar overdose.. please understand.. I am not going to buy into your little reminisce fantasy. 
    Lucky charms still is the best cereal ever. Deal with it.
    Do you still enjoy a bowl of it every morning? 
    I don't eat breakfast and avoid carbs most of the time, but when I do have cereal you bet it's lucky charms!

    Doesn't matter if it's been 20 years it still tastes amazing.
    Well, regardless if we agree or not, if that is what you think is the best, by all means, enjoy.

    Nowadays I fill up on eggs, toast, sometimes a steak, and a bowl of assorted fruit for breakfast, with 2 cups of coffee to wash it down and an extra thermos for the road... I don't think I could ever go back to any of the Cereals of my youth.

    But.. To each their own eh?
    To each their own...yet you assert and agree with @Wizardry that very few people can differentiate between good game design and fun...If a game is FUN, it is a good design by definition. Don't we play games to have fun? I do, I won't speak for the rest of the world, but I know a few people that play games for fun. 

    If it's not fun, and you aren't getting paid to do it, and it's not a favor for a friend or family member...why the fuck would you do it?

    Whelp, I guess I better go play this shitty game and have a miserable time because there is just nothing else to do.

    Does that make any sense to you? If people play a game and enjoy it, it's good game design. Now an argument can be made that some games are designed better than others, ergo they attract larger crowds but at the end of the day, if people like the game and enjoy it, then it was designed well despite what you and the complainer have to say.


    You are vastly misrepresenting what I said.. but I lack the give-a-shit to correct you. so.. yah.. keep on keeping on I guess.
    I can only take what you said at face value, what else could it mean? Or were you strictly speaking to breakfast foods and everything else has to be your way or the highway? I am not clear on what you are getting at.

    My point was, and is, if a game is fun, and the people playing it are having fun, then how is it poor design? If you "don't give a shit" then why are you even in this thread?
    Well, loving the additional assumptions.. but look, if you didn't read what I said the first time, where I explained all this, why should I bother to say it again?

    So keep on keeping on I guess.. 
    So I hit the nail on the head and you realize your position is fragile based on opinion and not fact...so you fold. Gotcha.

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  • Viper482Viper482 Member EpicPosts: 2,711
    edited April 13
    Rhoklaw said:
    Kyleran said:
    Thane said:
    Havent played, and not interested in the concept. Sorry. *shrug*

    I like the idea of PvP, but players should come up with competing groups by themselves.

    Also dont like being restricted in my race choices. I want to be free to play all races and classes, thank you very much.


    yea, but they won't. if there are no realms, players will just form a goon squad and gank everything in sight. happened every time so far they had the chance. the russians seem to be epecially good at mass ganking as it seems.
    Even with realms DAOC always struggled with imbalances and zerging.  MJ has said 'this time" it will be different, but I'll believe it when I see it.

    Besides, there is a good chance they'll restrict access with regional servers as they did with DAOC in the early days. (EU and Japanese as I recall.)

    Well, when they switched from Old Frontiers to the New Frontiers, it created viable RvR for groups smaller than 8 mans. Heck, even a 2 man team could take towers. Sometimes all it takes is tweaks in the game mechanics and you can open up a whole new form of playstyle for people to enjoy. While I hated Trials of Atlantis and the relics that came with it, I actually enjoyed the New Frontiers over the Old Frontiers.



    And you feel 2 players should be able to take towers? smh.
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  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 2,757
    edited April 13
    Hatefull said:
    Ungood said:
    Well, loving the additional assumptions.. but look, if you didn't read what I said the first time, where I explained all this, why should I bother to say it again?

    So keep on keeping on I guess.. 
    So I hit the nail on the head and you realize your position is fragile based on opinion and not fact...so you fold. Gotcha.
    No.. we are on page 4, I addressed your very points on page 2. Correction, I  addressed your Points on Page 3 ! now, If you want to cling to your ignorance so much so you can't even read my posts on the previous page, I am not going to stop you.

    Got it.

    Post edited by Ungood on
    Hatefulljimmywolf
  • DauzqulDauzqul Member RarePosts: 1,980
    I've never played DAoC, so I would honestly have zero interest.
    HatefullAdamantine
  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,180
    edited April 14
    Ungood said:
    Hatefull said:
    Ungood said:
    Well, loving the additional assumptions.. but look, if you didn't read what I said the first time, where I explained all this, why should I bother to say it again?

    So keep on keeping on I guess.. 
    So I hit the nail on the head and you realize your position is fragile based on opinion and not fact...so you fold. Gotcha.
    No.. we are on page 4, I addressed your very points on page 2. Correction, I  addressed your Points on Page 3 ! now, If you want to cling to your ignorance so much so you can't even read my posts on the previous page, I am not going to stop you.

    Got it.


    lol, do YOU even remember what you wrote? lol.
    Post edited by Hatefull on

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  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 2,757
    edited April 14
    Hatefull said:
    Ungood said:
    Hatefull said:
    Ungood said:
    Well, loving the additional assumptions.. but look, if you didn't read what I said the first time, where I explained all this, why should I bother to say it again?

    So keep on keeping on I guess.. 
    So I hit the nail on the head and you realize your position is fragile based on opinion and not fact...so you fold. Gotcha.
    No.. we are on page 4, I addressed your very points on page 2. Correction, I  addressed your Points on Page 3 ! now, If you want to cling to your ignorance so much so you can't even read my posts on the previous page, I am not going to stop you.

    Got it.


    lol, do YOU even remember what you wrote? lol.
    Really? Do you need me to hold your hand here? Do you need to me quote myself again, just for you? Do you really need me to carry you like that?
  • SlyLoKSlyLoK Member RarePosts: 2,618
    I'd rather see a sequel.
    Slapshot1188
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,054
    SlyLoK said:
    I'd rather see a sequel.
    Exactly.  People always point to old games still running and ask "If they were so great why aren't you playing them now?"

    Well, because even doing something great over and over for a decade can grow boring!

    DAoC was IMHO the greatest MMORPG ever created...

    But it's been 18 years...  a true sequel would be fantastic.  Updated graphics, netcode, UI... a fresh take on the game.  THAT is my dream game.

        

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  • Vermillion_RaventhalVermillion_Raventhal Member EpicPosts: 3,934
    Hatefull said:
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    Everyone has their favorite cereal. Too bad everyone else feels the need to piss it.
    Nahh.. if you are still eating the Super Sugar Cotton Candy Puffs, I ain't gonna tell you to stop.

    If you haven't had them in 10 years and tell me they were the best cereal ever, and how you and your friends use to eat bowls and bowls till you saw spots from sugar overdose.. please understand.. I am not going to buy into your little reminisce fantasy. 
    Lucky charms still is the best cereal ever. Deal with it.
    Do you still enjoy a bowl of it every morning? 
    I don't eat breakfast and avoid carbs most of the time, but when I do have cereal you bet it's lucky charms!

    Doesn't matter if it's been 20 years it still tastes amazing.
    Well, regardless if we agree or not, if that is what you think is the best, by all means, enjoy.

    Nowadays I fill up on eggs, toast, sometimes a steak, and a bowl of assorted fruit for breakfast, with 2 cups of coffee to wash it down and an extra thermos for the road... I don't think I could ever go back to any of the Cereals of my youth.

    But.. To each their own eh?
    To each their own...yet you assert and agree with @Wizardry that very few people can differentiate between good game design and fun...If a game is FUN, it is a good design by definition. Don't we play games to have fun? I do, I won't speak for the rest of the world, but I know a few people that play games for fun. 

    If it's not fun, and you aren't getting paid to do it, and it's not a favor for a friend or family member...why the fuck would you do it?

    Whelp, I guess I better go play this shitty game and have a miserable time because there is just nothing else to do.

    Does that make any sense to you? If people play a game and enjoy it, it's good game design. Now an argument can be made that some games are designed better than others, ergo they attract larger crowds but at the end of the day, if people like the game and enjoy it, then it was designed well despite what you and the complainer have to say.


    Not always fun.  I would say a good game may not be fun but interesting and engaging.  It is like watching a drama historic may not be fun watch.  The subject can be interesting and intriguing. 

    I have played games that are fun but also got old real fast.  
  • DarkswormDarksworm Member RarePosts: 987
    Wizardry said:
    I lasted about 2 hours in DAOC,i thought it looked old and didn't like the gameplay.I remember very little about it,a few things turned me off that i remember but mostly right away the character selection/class selection was lol.

    So no i don't want a daoc or anything like it.I want no pvp in ANY of my rpg's,it is not healthy for the community or the game.The only place i want to pvp is in an arena fps nowhere else.

    Maybe one day when we have REAL VR and not this constant lol crap they keep trying to market us,maybe then pvp would be cool but even then the reasons why it is no cool in rpg's would still remain so no.
    If you could not find a class that fit you in this game then nothing satisfies you which now makes so much sense.  And looked old?  Your favorite goto is FFXI which barely looks like a PS2 game and a UI that makes one want to stab their eyes out with a spoon so the complaints make no sense there.  You did not even get to the core game which was the RvR.
    A lot of the classes in DAoC were weird, so half of them were complete showstoppers to most people. There's a difference between having lots of good classes (EQ2) and a bunch of niche/terrible classes (DAoC)  
    KyleranSlyLoK
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 33,932
    Darksworm said:
    Wizardry said:
    I lasted about 2 hours in DAOC,i thought it looked old and didn't like the gameplay.I remember very little about it,a few things turned me off that i remember but mostly right away the character selection/class selection was lol.

    So no i don't want a daoc or anything like it.I want no pvp in ANY of my rpg's,it is not healthy for the community or the game.The only place i want to pvp is in an arena fps nowhere else.

    Maybe one day when we have REAL VR and not this constant lol crap they keep trying to market us,maybe then pvp would be cool but even then the reasons why it is no cool in rpg's would still remain so no.
    If you could not find a class that fit you in this game then nothing satisfies you which now makes so much sense.  And looked old?  Your favorite goto is FFXI which barely looks like a PS2 game and a UI that makes one want to stab their eyes out with a spoon so the complaints make no sense there.  You did not even get to the core game which was the RvR.
    A lot of the classes in DAoC were weird, so half of them were complete showstoppers to most people. There's a difference between having lots of good classes (EQ2) and a bunch of niche/terrible classes (DAoC)  
    There's a difference between having a bunch of good looking (in my case), talented players (DAOC) vs a bunch of players who are slacking ne'er do wells (EQ2)

    :D
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  • Vermillion_RaventhalVermillion_Raventhal Member EpicPosts: 3,934
    Darksworm said:
    Wizardry said:
    I lasted about 2 hours in DAOC,i thought it looked old and didn't like the gameplay.I remember very little about it,a few things turned me off that i remember but mostly right away the character selection/class selection was lol.

    So no i don't want a daoc or anything like it.I want no pvp in ANY of my rpg's,it is not healthy for the community or the game.The only place i want to pvp is in an arena fps nowhere else.

    Maybe one day when we have REAL VR and not this constant lol crap they keep trying to market us,maybe then pvp would be cool but even then the reasons why it is no cool in rpg's would still remain so no.
    If you could not find a class that fit you in this game then nothing satisfies you which now makes so much sense.  And looked old?  Your favorite goto is FFXI which barely looks like a PS2 game and a UI that makes one want to stab their eyes out with a spoon so the complaints make no sense there.  You did not even get to the core game which was the RvR.
    A lot of the classes in DAoC were weird, so half of them were complete showstoppers to most people. There's a difference between having lots of good classes (EQ2) and a bunch of niche/terrible classes (DAoC)  
    I thought the classes were good but my two favorites got nerfed lol, smite cleric and Thane.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 33,932
    Darksworm said:
    Wizardry said:
    I lasted about 2 hours in DAOC,i thought it looked old and didn't like the gameplay.I remember very little about it,a few things turned me off that i remember but mostly right away the character selection/class selection was lol.

    So no i don't want a daoc or anything like it.I want no pvp in ANY of my rpg's,it is not healthy for the community or the game.The only place i want to pvp is in an arena fps nowhere else.

    Maybe one day when we have REAL VR and not this constant lol crap they keep trying to market us,maybe then pvp would be cool but even then the reasons why it is no cool in rpg's would still remain so no.
    If you could not find a class that fit you in this game then nothing satisfies you which now makes so much sense.  And looked old?  Your favorite goto is FFXI which barely looks like a PS2 game and a UI that makes one want to stab their eyes out with a spoon so the complaints make no sense there.  You did not even get to the core game which was the RvR.
    A lot of the classes in DAoC were weird, so half of them were complete showstoppers to most people. There's a difference between having lots of good classes (EQ2) and a bunch of niche/terrible classes (DAoC)  
    I thought the classes were good but my two favorites got nerfed lol, smite cleric and Thane.
    Ahh you were there during the chain wizzy days, silly, cleric's were primary healers, you want to cast amazing damage join the rest of the cloth casters.

    Besides, theuris ruled, one of my most favorite classes, right after the Skald.


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  • AdamantineAdamantine Member RarePosts: 4,276
    edited April 24
    Kyleran said:
    Err, you just held up Lineage 2, a game which permitted ganking as an example.
    What the frak ?

    I did not "held it up", I mentioned an element of it.

    I didnt liked most of Lineage 2, but castle sieges rocked hard as a concept.

    Seriously, if I mention WoWs battlegrounds next, does that mean you think I would praise WoW ?



    Please set a sig so I can read your posting even if somebody "agreed" etc with it. Thanks.
  • AdamantineAdamantine Member RarePosts: 4,276
    Exactly.  People always point to old games still running and ask "If they were so great why aren't you playing them now?"

    Well, because even doing something great over and over for a decade can grow boring!

    DAoC was IMHO the greatest MMORPG ever created...

    But it's been 18 years...  a true sequel would be fantastic.  Updated graphics, netcode, UI... a fresh take on the game.  THAT is my dream game.
    Sigh.

    Wished Vanguard would still be running so I COULD play it.

    Theres no true successor to that one even at the most distant horizont.

    And yes of course I've taken a close look to Pantheon. Sure I could live with most of it. But the simplistic, Guild Wars style classes, well I understand why a small team cannot recreate Vanguard classes in their depth but still thats the element I miss most of Vanguard.

    Please set a sig so I can read your posting even if somebody "agreed" etc with it. Thanks.
  • btdtbtdt Member RarePosts: 512
    You will soon discover that even WoW's reboot of classic will be nothing like the classic that it once was.

    You are against private servers and yet, those are as close to playing the old game as you can ever get.  If it is truly the game you miss... it's already out there.

    But I suspect that the real reason you don't is because of the same reason everyone stopped playing it in the first place.

    Nostalgia is fleeting... there is no bigger letdown than to find that your expectations can never be met.

    The players who played back then are long gone.  The ones that still remain are likely approaching their 50's.  If you truly love the game, you'd be on the private servers.  But you already know it can't be the same because you are not the same.
    Ungood
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