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Camelot Unchained - When do testers think it will release?

MightyUncleanMightyUnclean Member EpicPosts: 2,561
For those currently testing CU (I'm assuming it's in a playable state after this amount of time), what's your best bet as to when the final release will occur?  Maybe 2020?  Or is that totally unreasonable?
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  • ArteriusArterius Member EpicPosts: 1,904
    Late 2020 maybe though I think there answer is till late 2019. Expecting a delay however.
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  • MightyUncleanMightyUnclean Member EpicPosts: 2,561
    Can we even talk about what the current build status of the game is, as far as what's available for backers to play?
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  • ArteriusArterius Member EpicPosts: 1,904
    Can we even talk about what the current build status of the game is, as far as what's available for backers to play?
    Nope we are under a NDA.
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  • meddyckmeddyck Member UncommonPosts: 1,274
    I feel it is basically impossible it launches this year despite CSE continuing to claim that is the target.

    I think it is much more likely to launch in the 2nd half of 2020 than to launch in the first half of 2020.

    I don't think there's enough information at this point to judge the chances of it launching in 2021, but I wouldn't be shocked or anything if it did launch that late.

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  • fanglofanglo Member UncommonPosts: 306
    CSE is taking steps to release the game this year. They are hiring more and more people. This will accelerate the release. I am hopeful that CU will be live in time for Christmas.

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  • natpicknatpick Member UncommonPosts: 265
    if the game releases by the end of the this year that would be awesome,really looking forward to this game.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 34,013
    edited March 27
    fanglo said:
    CSE is taking steps to release the game this year. They are hiring more and more people. This will accelerate the release. I am hopeful that CU will be live in time for Christmas.
    I would call yours the best case estimate,  of nothing goes wrong. The middle estimate would be somewhere in 2020.

    A common mistaken assumption is believing hiring more people improves output or time to delivery.

    In the short term new hires negatively impact the productivity of the existing staff as they train and integrate the new folks.

    Generally I've found it to take 3 to 6 months for new members to make a solid positive impact and about a year until they are 100%

    Of course, most of my experience is in financial services software (mostly back end workflows) which has little in the way of animation or graphics,  perhaps developers and artists in those spaces can begin contributing much sooner. (New members in our team often are assigned UI changes to start)
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 34,013
    Arterius said:
    Can we even talk about what the current build status of the game is, as far as what's available for backers to play?
    Nope we are under a NDA.
    Yeah, I am under the NDA so I can only slag on them for late delivery in general terms without sharing specifics.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,073
    While under NDA I feel comfortable spouting the unofficial/official timeline of all Crowdfunded MMORPGs no matter where they sit in the development timeline:  18 months


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  • tweedledumb99tweedledumb99 Member UncommonPosts: 246
    edited March 28
    I mean, most of what is available for backers to play they cover in the weekly updates, so without posting actual content of the game I'm pretty comfortable saying what's currently in (in no particular order):

    - Crafting with a material-based system (not sure if they're using recipes or if it's just 'use x amount of metal to make a hilt, x amount to make a blade, x amount of wood to make a pommel, bam, sword), I think it's still using dev UI but they've shown first passes of an actual, prettier crafting UI.

    - Creating buildings either offline in their building client or in the live test environment. Stability is turned on for most tests (I think) so you can't build super wacky stuff.

    - Physically-based rendering system with pretty comprehensive lighting effects, but still lots of tweaks needed to take out some of the rough edges and some of the glitchy visuals. Lighting looks really good, especially at dawn/twilight. Glints and reflections are looking good, e.g. sunlight bouncing off metal armour.

    - Animation system that's getting better and better, actually looks pretty decent for lots of animations, but inconsistent across animations - i.e. some animations look buttery smooth, others still jittery. This is pretty clearly just based on 'which animations got a recent polish pass and which didn't', so this'll get cleaned up, just a matter of time.

    - Particle system with old, less visually impressive particle effects mixed in with new, sharper, more high-def particle effects. Again, the older stuff just needs an update pass (some of it's placeholder so will just get replaced rather than updated).

    - Ability builder turned back on, can make your own abilities (still using comically ugly dev ui, but it's still fairly straightforward how to do it).

    - First pass of mages added in, including ability builder parts as far as I know. Now up to Fighters, Mages, Archers, Healers. Classes are individualized per realm, so TDD Fianna have very different abilities than Viking Mjolnirs, Arthurian Black Knights, as an example (all Fighters).

    - Character models and textures wildly improved, and LODs improving as well. This is a big thing for me, I was so-so on character visuals 6 months ago, was mildly liking them 3 months ago, now they're looking a hell of a lot better, I think they look pretty damn good, and they're still going to be improving them.

    - Building destruction. You can destroy buildings, block by block. When a chunk gets destroyed, anything it was solely supporting crashes to the ground. Still some slapstick comedy involved with pieces of rock bouncing around on the ground, but that'll get more polish as well.

    - Siege gameplay. You can operate trebuchets to destroy buildings, or use scorpions to attack players. It's fairly straightforward to operate once you get the hang of it, and bringing down a building (destruction speed is turned WAAAY up for testing) is a lot of fun.

    - Battles with 2,400 players/bots with minimal latency issues, only minor framedrops, and around 40 FPS on a 1080 GTX, with a 5 year old i5-4690k. That's 2,400 rendered characters within 200m of you, and within line of sight, mind you, not 2,400 over a 4km x 4km map or whatever.

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  • tweedledumb99tweedledumb99 Member UncommonPosts: 246
    Can we even talk about what the current build status of the game is, as far as what's available for backers to play?
    Forgot to quote you, but my above post is in reply to you.
  • TimEisenTimEisen ColumnistMember EpicPosts: 3,293
    Either after Star Citizen and Crowfall come out or when its old enough to vote, whichever comes first.
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  • TimEisenTimEisen ColumnistMember EpicPosts: 3,293
    meddyck said:
    I feel it is basically impossible it launches this year despite CSE continuing to claim that is the target.

    I think it is much more likely to launch in the 2nd half of 2020 than to launch in the first half of 2020.

    I don't think there's enough information at this point to judge the chances of it launching in 2021, but I wouldn't be shocked or anything if it did launch that late.

    I didn't know they were saying that...theres only like 9 months left, they still need to get from Beta 1-Open right?
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  • TamanousTamanous Member RarePosts: 2,993
    TimEisen said:
    meddyck said:
    I feel it is basically impossible it launches this year despite CSE continuing to claim that is the target.

    I think it is much more likely to launch in the 2nd half of 2020 than to launch in the first half of 2020.

    I don't think there's enough information at this point to judge the chances of it launching in 2021, but I wouldn't be shocked or anything if it did launch that late.

    I didn't know they were saying that...theres only like 9 months left, they still need to get from Beta 1-Open right?
    Mark mentioned recently in an end of week wrap up that Beta 2 isn't likely until late this year. They plan on 3+ Beta stages. I have no idea which would be considered Open, but the later Beta stages are likely to be much shorter than Beta 1 (which in all honestly was a stage entered at the earliest possible time and lots was needed to be done within it).

    My guess is second half of next year as well, but entering Beta 2 will likely align with some streaming allowances and some media push as it will have core classes and their mechanics in place along with some open world and functional siege systems. Full UI and crafting systems will be in too. Beta 2 would be a good entry point for early testing for many and likely a step before what would be considered the earliest Open Beta build.


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  • TimEisenTimEisen ColumnistMember EpicPosts: 3,293
    Tamanous said:
    TimEisen said:
    meddyck said:
    I feel it is basically impossible it launches this year despite CSE continuing to claim that is the target.

    I think it is much more likely to launch in the 2nd half of 2020 than to launch in the first half of 2020.

    I don't think there's enough information at this point to judge the chances of it launching in 2021, but I wouldn't be shocked or anything if it did launch that late.

    I didn't know they were saying that...theres only like 9 months left, they still need to get from Beta 1-Open right?
    Mark mentioned recently in an end of week wrap up that Beta 2 isn't likely until late this year. They plan on 3+ Beta stages. I have no idea which would be considered Open, but the later Beta stages are likely to be much shorter than Beta 1 (which in all honestly was a stage entered at the earliest possible time and lots was needed to be done within it).

    My guess is second half of next year as well, but entering Beta 2 will likely align with some streaming allowances and some media push as it will have core classes and their mechanics in place along with some open world and functional siege systems. Full UI and crafting systems will be in too. Beta 2 would be a good entry point for early testing for many and likely a step before what would be considered the earliest Open Beta build.


    Sounds like 2 years minimum based on your write up. As far as I know traditionally companies got beta 1,2,3,4, then open but I suppose its up to the companies whim. 
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  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 3,303
    Kyleran said:
    fanglo said:
    CSE is taking steps to release the game this year. They are hiring more and more people. This will accelerate the release. I am hopeful that CU will be live in time for Christmas.
    I would call yours the best case estimate,  of nothing goes wrong. The middle estimate would be somewhere in 2020.

    A common mistaken assumption is believing hiring more people improves output or time to delivery.

    In the short term new hires negatively impact the productivity of the existing staff as they train and integrate the new folks.

    Generally I've found it to take 3 to 6 months for new members to make a solid positive impact and about a year until they are 100%

    Of course, most of my experience is in financial services software (mostly back end workflows) which has little in the way of animation or graphics,  perhaps developers and artists in those spaces can begin contributing much sooner. (New members in our team often are assigned UI changes to start)
    I was going to say that!

    Integrating new people, no matter how skillful, into an existing project will take time.  A hiring surge now might help meet a 2020 deadline, but probably not a 2019 delivery.



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  • VinterkrigVinterkrig Member UncommonPosts: 1,793
    2021, when even less people will care :P 
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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 5,831
    edited March 28
    I have never met a tester for any game that would say "She's ready! Get her out there on the market now!"

    They always say the game isn't ready.

    Often (these days anyway) they are right.

    But still, even if a tester could and would answer the OP's question, they would tell you it's not ready.

    Just like if you asked a Dev they will say "when it's finished."

    Btw, I am not a tester for this game.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 34,013
    Amathe said:
    I have never met a tester for any game that would say "She's ready! Get her out there on the market now!"

    They always say the game isn't ready.

    Often (these days anyway) they are right.

    But still, even if a tester could and would answer the OP's question, they would tell you it's not ready.

    Just like if you asked a Dev they will say "when it's finished."

    Btw, I am not a tester for this game.
    I think the reality is games generally "launch" when the money and patience of those who fund them finally runs out.

    Unless we are talking about SC, their faucet of free money seems inexhaustible, it may never need to formally release. 

    Beta 15.3.1 anyone?  ;)

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  • TamanousTamanous Member RarePosts: 2,993
    2021, when even less people will care :P 
    And if it does release in 2021?

    There would still only be 1 game like it on the market.

    It only needs to advertise when it's ready to. 

    CU's current state of development is about 7-8 months out from a concept complete version of RvR in an open world with siege warfare. This is the time Mark mentioned beta 2 in "winter" 2019 a couple video updates ago. CSE is in Virginia so I'm guessing a pretty convention start of winter date in his mind. Beta 2 is the start of world building and full open world RvR systems testing. Important yes, but also much faster development than the core tech which is now done.

    So if this timeline is a reflection of their current project pace, then the only real guessing is on how long Beta 2 would be. A game world with 3 factions and their cities and at least 1 contested continent is great but it's still a fraction of the size the release version will be (btw it's to be truly massive). Lots of classes are to be added and RvR balanced heavily tested and adjusted. All new animations for the 1st wave of classes are already going in (as in now in Beta 1) along with UI components so Beta 2 is looking like an actual game from the player's perspective.

    The good news: Classes are easy to make so CSE keeps saying (once art assets catch up). The majority of the land masses are procedurally generated. They are only hand sculpting specific areas as required (and testers actually help make buildings using CUBE that will be used for the game in some areas). The core RvR systems are completed or near completion. The schedule is tight but they have hired several new staff, assisted by the recent heavy layoffs within the industry. These are hardened industry vets too.

    Lastly, and I know this won't matter to some but I'll say it anyway, Mark is actually a pretty straight up guy. I personally do not believe he is trying to hide an extra year of development from us and the project is indeed within a margin of error from what's recently been updated.

    So, my most basic analogy: By winter 2019, CSE will have all of their tools made and heavy equipment ordered and on site, so they can put their building together. The good news is that it's mostly prefab construction at that point. Hopefully late 2020.

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  • Cuppett5Cuppett5 Member UncommonPosts: 144
    Alpha, please be a founder and support the game. Then another alpha selling founder packs. More alpha, and then special sales rates on founder packs. Repeat, repeat, maybe a beta. Need to sell more founder packs. Beta, more beta, more betas, and then maybe a soft launch in 2025. 
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 34,013
    edited March 29
    Cuppett5 said:
    Alpha, please be a founder and support the game. Then another alpha selling founder packs. More alpha, and then special sales rates on founder packs. Repeat, repeat, maybe a beta. Need to sell more founder packs. Beta, more beta, more betas, and then maybe a soft launch in 2025. 
    I am a harsh critic over the late delivery, but your accusation isn't valid.   

    CSE is one of the least aggressive indies in terms of trying to extract more money from current or future backers.

    Unlike some (cough cough SC, COE) CU isn't constantly adding new items or packages nor saying "buy now before they are all gone, forever!)

    Finally, they are probably unique in still offering backers refunds even as we come up on the six year mark in April.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 11,789
    If it is really launching at the end of 2020, there will be early access by the end of this year surely?
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 34,013
    Scot said:
    If it is really launching at the end of 2020, there will be early access by the end of this year surely?
    What do you mean by early access?   We alpha backers have had test access for many years now.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 11,789
    edited March 29
    Kyleran said:
    Scot said:
    If it is really launching at the end of 2020, there will be early access by the end of this year surely?
    What do you mean by early access?   We alpha backers have had test access for many years now.
    I have done it again, this is a different indie, not CoE.

    Ok only done this once before so not too bad (ahem), if you are Jack of all Fools I want to take April Fool as mine. :) 
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