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Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Member RarePosts: 9,611

i just visited the official forums
and it actually made me sick

everyone is asking to make things free..
not free of cost but free of effort..

i only see plees like:
- can we make lorebooks discovery accountwide
- can we make skyshards account wide
- can we remove championpoints, they dont add much(but are a lot of work)

why kill the things i like about eso, working hard for rewards isn’t a bad thing, is it?

Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 6,344
    edited February 28
      I did not feel there was anything hard about ESO at all til you start Vet trials , the rest of the game is quite casual and easy .. imo
    Post edited by Scorchien on
  • parrotpholkparrotpholk Member EpicPosts: 4,296
    That way in every game actually.

    No one wants to put forth any work, they just want the end game then bitch about there not being enough of it.
  • WBadgerWBadger Member UncommonPosts: 239
    >Make account
    >ESO, pls make a max level character of every class with min-maxed gear for every role, with all achievements, mounts, skills, lorebooks, and skyshards found.  I am paying customer, I demand it.
  • pantaropantaro Member RarePosts: 499
    Not even remotely surprised! Just based on some of the things they have added to the game over time. modern triple A mmorpgs have truly become feel good simulators!
  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member EpicPosts: 8,396
    edited February 28
    Work equals reward.  I really enjoyed when the game was harder.  Taking a level 12 into a level 35 area (getting one shotted a lot alone the way) and doing the vamp quest, (waiting days for them to appear so I could get infected) with a ton of kiting during the actual quest was awesome.

    "We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa      "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are."  SR Covey

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 12,058
    The ESO player base has gone through a huge change since launch and gotten ultra casual. That's what you're seeing in the forums.
    KyleranOctagon7711
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  • TheocritusTheocritus Member EpicPosts: 6,580
    I always thought its a pretty good sign when people dont want to work for things that is must not be a very good game, and ESO was not.
    ArteriusIselin
  • AmatheAmathe Member EpicPosts: 4,507
    We are past people wanting to be given things for free. They don't even want to wait to be given something. They think they should already have whatever it is.
    parrotpholk

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  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 4,516
    edited February 28
    Lorebooks I agree with.. it's tedious to collect things like that on more than one character. Skyshards, no.. they are the main progression in the game.

    Champion points are completely game changing and give excellent alternative advancement. Why on earth would anyone want them removed? Without that kind of progression I would have stopped playing long before I did. It's easy to get all the skills you want and it's easy to get the gear you want.. CP is what keeps you going without feeling like you're completely wasting your time..
    Kyleran
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  • RexKushmanRexKushman Member RarePosts: 475
    Iselin said:
    The ESO player base has gone through a huge change since launch and gotten ultra casual. That's what you're seeing in the forums.
    That may be true but people have been asking for account wide lore books and skyshards pretty much since launch. 

  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 7,841
    edited February 28
    Well, scavenger hunt do, generally, have pretty poor longevity unless the locations are regularly randomized.

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 12,058
    Iselin said:
    The ESO player base has gone through a huge change since launch and gotten ultra casual. That's what you're seeing in the forums.
    That may be true but people have been asking for account wide lore books and skyshards pretty much since launch. 
    Not really. It wasn't until account-wide Champion points that a few started asking for everything else to also be account wide. Now a lot of people on the forums are always going on about that.

    What they really want is rolling an alt and having it be just as good as their main with zero effort. 
    KyleranTorvalMrMelGibson
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    ― CD PROJEKT RED
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 32,012
    Iselin said:
    Iselin said:
    The ESO player base has gone through a huge change since launch and gotten ultra casual. That's what you're seeing in the forums.
    That may be true but people have been asking for account wide lore books and skyshards pretty much since launch. 
    Not really. It wasn't until account-wide Champion points that a few started asking for everything else to also be account wide. Now a lot of people on the forums are always going on about that.

    What they really want is rolling an alt and having it be just as good as their main with zero effort. 
    I'm not sure their desire is a bad thing though. I recall leveling a level 50 character on an old school freeshard only to discover I didn't care for it much in PVP.

    Took me close to 3 months to level / gear that character, so I started over twice getting two different characters to low 40s, about 1.5 months each but stopped when I couldn't face the thought of grinding the last levels especially with the population rapidly dwindling.

    Would have been nice to perhaps scrap the characters and recover at least some of the time put in, might have kept me playing. 

    On the Phoenix things are much easier, leveled up two 50s so far, (still need to gear them) taking about 6 weeks total.

    I like it a lot, screw hard mode gaming. 

    ;)


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  • LimnicLimnic Member RarePosts: 486
    Iselin said:
    Iselin said:
    The ESO player base has gone through a huge change since launch and gotten ultra casual. That's what you're seeing in the forums.
    That may be true but people have been asking for account wide lore books and skyshards pretty much since launch. 
    Not really. It wasn't until account-wide Champion points that a few started asking for everything else to also be account wide. Now a lot of people on the forums are always going on about that.

    What they really want is rolling an alt and having it be just as good as their main with zero effort. 
    You know, reminds me of the solution Tabula Rasa had in it.

    You could snapshot and "clone" your characters, allowing you to fork your progress and create permutations of them over time without completely retreading everything you'd already done.

    Thought it was a reasonable approach where you didn't have to do the same thing all over again, but you also still had to put in effort to do something new.
    TorvalKyleran
  • WizardryWizardry Member EpicPosts: 15,534
    Well simple fix,lose the altaholic crap,there shouldn't be several players on the same account,there should be one and NO reason to have more than one.So then they will have no reason to ask for account wide and we can remove crappy ideas like gear that is made bound once worn.

    There are a whole slew of ideas being used and not used by developers,i know every angle there is right now,including the cheats/exploits and problems from certain design ideas and i know how to fix them as well.

    It is not my job to design these games,i am a consumer but over years it looks more like consumers and devs should switch roles.Consumers would likely be more honest and open and likely design these games a LOT better.

    One common trend i see in gaming by developers is they seem to forget that players just want to have some fun.Sure i understand "trivializing" content and pvp and pve ,but no matter what they THINK they are trying to do,always remember FUN.That means NO million man raids,no super long raids,no need for 500 man guilds,gaming should be fun for a simple group of friends or maybe a husband and wife,BF/GF,the common goal should simply be FUN.
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  • PalebanePalebane Member UncommonPosts: 3,441
    edited March 1
    What standard of effort are we measuring our electronic penis by today, OP? Let me guess: things you enjoy doing.

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 12,058
    Kyleran said:
    Iselin said:
    Iselin said:
    The ESO player base has gone through a huge change since launch and gotten ultra casual. That's what you're seeing in the forums.
    That may be true but people have been asking for account wide lore books and skyshards pretty much since launch. 
    Not really. It wasn't until account-wide Champion points that a few started asking for everything else to also be account wide. Now a lot of people on the forums are always going on about that.

    What they really want is rolling an alt and having it be just as good as their main with zero effort. 
    I'm not sure their desire is a bad thing though. I recall leveling a level 50 character on an old school freeshard only to discover I didn't care for it much in PVP.

    Took me close to 3 months to level / gear that character, so I started over twice getting two different characters to low 40s, about 1.5 months each but stopped when I couldn't face the thought of grinding the last levels especially with the population rapidly dwindling.

    Would have been nice to perhaps scrap the characters and recover at least some of the time put in, might have kept me playing. 

    On the Phoenix things are much easier, leveled up two 50s so far, (still need to gear them) taking about 6 weeks total.

    I like it a lot, screw hard mode gaming. 

    ;)


    I know what you mean with DAoC because that 45-50 grind was painful but ESO by comparison is pretty trivial to level a character.

    Champion points, which are a huge part of your end-game power already are account wide. The whining is about incidentals that let you min/max your build for end-game raiding. 

    Modern MMOs are nothing like those 1st or 2nd gen ones but a lot of current MMO players never experienced those.

    We're not far off people wanting to skip the whole point of an RPG and just jump into the repetitive end-game raid grind... FPS style.

    Personally I still like MMOs and RPGs and leveling is very much part of that.
    TorvalKyleranMrMelGibson
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    ― CD PROJEKT RED
  • t0nydt0nyd Member UncommonPosts: 496
    edited March 1
    I see no point in getting the skyshards on each and every character. Seems pointless. Not sure how that enhances my play experience. To be honest I don't like skyshards at all. It's really hard to Google them and follow a map to them. Pointless mechanic is pointless...
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 18,579
    Limnic said:
    Iselin said:
    Iselin said:
    The ESO player base has gone through a huge change since launch and gotten ultra casual. That's what you're seeing in the forums.
    That may be true but people have been asking for account wide lore books and skyshards pretty much since launch. 
    Not really. It wasn't until account-wide Champion points that a few started asking for everything else to also be account wide. Now a lot of people on the forums are always going on about that.

    What they really want is rolling an alt and having it be just as good as their main with zero effort. 
    You know, reminds me of the solution Tabula Rasa had in it.

    You could snapshot and "clone" your characters, allowing you to fork your progress and create permutations of them over time without completely retreading everything you'd already done.

    Thought it was a reasonable approach where you didn't have to do the same thing all over again, but you also still had to put in effort to do something new.
    That was such a cool and underrated game. It needed a lot more of most everything but man I wish it had made it through.
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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member EpicPosts: 8,396
    Iselin said:
    Iselin said:
    The ESO player base has gone through a huge change since launch and gotten ultra casual. That's what you're seeing in the forums.
    That may be true but people have been asking for account wide lore books and skyshards pretty much since launch. 
    Not really. It wasn't until account-wide Champion points that a few started asking for everything else to also be account wide. Now a lot of people on the forums are always going on about that.

    What they really want is rolling an alt and having it be just as good as their main with zero effort. 
    Probably because other games do that.  Get a fully geared level 80 when you get a GW2 expansion and pick which race you want to apply it to.  Even test it out first in one zone for as long as you like.   WoW has boosts just short of max level and a few other games have max levels for sale or specials.

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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 18,579
    edited March 1
    Iselin said:
    Kyleran said:
    Iselin said:
    Iselin said:
    The ESO player base has gone through a huge change since launch and gotten ultra casual. That's what you're seeing in the forums.
    That may be true but people have been asking for account wide lore books and skyshards pretty much since launch. 
    Not really. It wasn't until account-wide Champion points that a few started asking for everything else to also be account wide. Now a lot of people on the forums are always going on about that.

    What they really want is rolling an alt and having it be just as good as their main with zero effort. 
    I'm not sure their desire is a bad thing though. I recall leveling a level 50 character on an old school freeshard only to discover I didn't care for it much in PVP.

    Took me close to 3 months to level / gear that character, so I started over twice getting two different characters to low 40s, about 1.5 months each but stopped when I couldn't face the thought of grinding the last levels especially with the population rapidly dwindling.

    Would have been nice to perhaps scrap the characters and recover at least some of the time put in, might have kept me playing. 

    On the Phoenix things are much easier, leveled up two 50s so far, (still need to gear them) taking about 6 weeks total.

    I like it a lot, screw hard mode gaming. 

    ;)


    I know what you mean with DAoC because that 45-50 grind was painful but ESO by comparison is pretty trivial to level a character.

    Champion points, which are a huge part of your end-game power already are account wide. The whining is about incidentals that let you min/max your build for end-game raiding. 

    Modern MMOs are nothing like those 1st or 2nd gen ones but a lot of current MMO players never experienced those.

    We're not far off people wanting to skip the whole point of an RPG and just jump into the repetitive end-game raid grind... FPS style.

    Personally I still like MMOs and RPGs and leveling is very much part of that.
    This may be the bitter vet coming out but I think it has a lot to do with the cash shop loot crate demographic. People that are used to buying their way through a game expect to have that streamlined. Doing all those things just takes up more time that could be used to hop into instant gratification "Battle-Royale" style gameplay. By that I mean drop-in insta-ready characters with a guaranteed loot payout of some kind 20 minutes later. The funny thing is Guild Wars 1 offered that as an option for PvP but also offered the other way for PvE and PvP. It felt very well integrated and worked well. I realize they're two very different games, but the point being it's possible to offer those things in a single game if those systems are well thought out and designed.
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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member EpicPosts: 8,396
    t0nyd said:
    I see no point in getting the skyshards on each and every character. Seems pointless. Not sure how that enhances my play experience. To be honest I don't like skyshards at all. It's really hard to Google them and follow a map to them. Pointless mechanic is pointless...
    Sounds like you need that addon that adds them to a minimap addon and regular map.
    TorvalKyleranMrMelGibson

    "We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa      "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are."  SR Covey

  • esc-joconnoresc-joconnor Member RarePosts: 936
    Wizardry said:
    Well simple fix,lose the altaholic crap,there shouldn't be several players on the same account,there should be one and NO reason to have more than one.So then they will have no reason to ask for account wide and we can remove crappy ideas like gear that is made bound once worn.
    Or, even simpler, get rid of games, and any entertainment! Back to work! :P 

    I think the greater portion of people enjoy having more than one character thank you very much.
    The FFXIV Job system can get bent.
  • goboygogoboygo Member RarePosts: 1,876
    That way in every game actually.

    No one wants to put forth any work, they just want the end game then bitch about there not being enough of it.
    Agreed people seem to think that there is some magically formula that developers can implement in games that can make games easy, no effort, but somehow provide endless fun and fulfillment.

    These same people fail to realize that the thing that creates those feelings in games of the past, were a result of allot of work and effort, things that weren't "fun" every second. 

    Its kind of like trying to explain to someone what it feels like to "earn" the 10 dollars you just handed them for no particular reason.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 32,012
    Torval said:9
    Limnic said:
    Iselin said:
    Iselin said:
    The ESO player base has gone through a huge change since launch and gotten ultra casual. That's what you're seeing in the forums.
    That may be true but people have been asking for account wide lore books and skyshards pretty much since launch. 
    Not really. It wasn't until account-wide Champion points that a few started asking for everything else to also be account wide. Now a lot of people on the forums are always going on about that.

    What they really want is rolling an alt and having it be just as good as their main with zero effort. 
    You know, reminds me of the solution Tabula Rasa had in it.

    You could snapshot and "clone" your characters, allowing you to fork your progress and create permutations of them over time without completely retreading everything you'd already done.

    Thought it was a reasonable approach where you didn't have to do the same thing all over again, but you also still had to put in effort to do something new.
    That was such a cool and underrated game. It needed a lot more of most everything but man I wish it had made it through.
    TR was one game I had on my play list, I was just waiting a year or so for them to deliver more of the promised features and polish it up....

    Whoops!

    ;)
    Torval

    "See normal people, I'm not one of them" | G-Easy & Big Sean

    "I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant

    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing POE at the moment.

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