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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    edited February 2019
    Sovrath said:

    It's pretty simple, if you don't like large corporations then don't work for them.

    Don't buy their products either.

    if a large corporation does something against the law then by all means they shoud be held accountable.

    But large corporations do large thigns that smaller companies can't.

    My original post was just that, if you are going to work for a large corporation know what you are getting into. Not any more complicated than that.

    And "no" I never said anything that gave large corporations carte blanche to be parasitic, to do anyting against the law.

    But people seem to forget that large corporations do let people go, do look at their bottom line when they are buying their products.
    Again, nothing about my post was any more specific than yours.  This multi-national corporation wave that's coming along with globalism, if left unchecked, creates a populist backlash.  Taken to the extreme on one side will likely force an extreme on the other, and an extreme populist backlash almost never leads to peaceful outcomes, if we track history.  If we're going to speak generally about corporations, it's apathetically narrow-minded to resign one's self as you did in your initial post.

    Your first two sentences are merely unrealistic, and don't think that's lost on some of these ubiquitous corporations.  Prudential Real Estate, for example, was a player in the housing bubble; yet they're still managing over a trillion dollars worth of real estate and other assets (edited for clarity and accuracy).  You're not realistically going to avoid them.  That's just one specific corporation in one specific, very clear example of detrimental effects said corporations can act to produce on a population.

    It's dangerously ignorant to resign ourselves in any situation that could prove detrimental to the well-being of a general population (be that climate change, corporate influence, or even dictatorial regimes).
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  • SylvinstarSylvinstar Member UncommonPosts: 42
    Op:
    I agree it sucks.  Losing your job can be very distressing, especially when you have a family to take care of.  The good news is that there are a lot of blue collar jobs right now, and companies are having a hard time filling them.  The even better news:  if you actually give a crap and have some work ethic you will not be without a job, because a good portion of the new people I've seen enter the workplace the past few years can't be bothered to separate their eyes long enough from their phone to actually do their job.

    Everyone else freaking out about how one company has a bad year:
    Are we all so young that not one of us remembers the entire industry crashed in the 80's?
    Gdemami
  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,275
    DMKano said:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1095374774728048640

    "As they brace for today's layoffs, Blizzard employees are crying and hugging in the parking lot, according to a person there."

    Man my heart goes out to them. The feeling of the impending job loss is the worst.

    Anticipation sucks - especially when the outcome is bad.
    I work as a contractor, similar to what this is. Never get comfortable, even on years-long jobs you have to be prepared to be unemployed at a moments notice. Or switch to a more stable career field. I am not happy to hear this but it is not the end of the world and I doubt very much last week was the first inklings (internally) that this was going to happen.

    Sucks, but life goes on.


    If you want a new idea, go read an old book.

  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 2,817
    It is sad to get laid off and have a house and bills to pay for. Even though people know what they are getting into, it still sucks. Not all jobs are perfect . . .. eve porn starts have to get frequent blood draws and gaming programmers get laid off . . . 

    See how it works.
    Catch me streaming at twitch.tv/cryomatrix
    You can see my sci-fi/WW2 book recommendations. 
  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,275
    danwest58 said:
    Like I said I expected this Esports thing to come crashing down on these companies.   So its no surprise that the Esports groups will get laid off.   Anyone who thinks this really would have taken off has no idea about ESports.   How did StarCraft become an Esport back in 1999?   I can tell you it was not because Blizzard was pushing it to be an ESport.  It just naturally happened from players like myself that like the game and ended up having local tournaments on our college campus.  

    Now I am sorry to see these employees being let go.  With that said, I think Activision needs to just make me their next CEO.  I would turn that company back into a private company.  I would call in the people that came up with Micro-Transactions into my office and FIRE them right on the spot.  I would fire every manager that was pushing game changes on the game developers because these managers wanted to focus on money not making a good game.  I would fire the managers that pushed the Esports.   I would also move Blizzard out of California to the Mid West to reduce cost.  I would also fire the all the GAMES JOURNALIST companies that tried to push SJW bull crap into the games and any managers I mean Activist hired by the company.  

    Then I would push the Game developers to get back to making games without cash shops with a subscription model, focus on the games and making them fun for customers.  NOT making games for shareholders, Activist and want to be Esports people.   I would Also shut down Diablo Immortal and make D4 and refocus the team on making new IPs and new games for current IPs.    
    I seriously have not laughed that hard in a while. That was awesome, great job bringing some levity to an otherwise very unhappy discussion. lol.
    Gdemami

    If you want a new idea, go read an old book.

  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,275
    Gorwe said:
    Horusra said:
    Gorwe said:
    FUCK Croney Capitalism(it's rotten to the core)! Look, I admire Capitalism as an idea, but...Croney Capitalism is literally the worst.

    My condolences to the employees. Suits...go and jump off a bridge, will you? /spit
    Do you even know what Crony Capitalism is?
    Yes, ofc. When Trump the entrepreneur personally knows a minister of architecture(or something) then manages to influence the "free" market. It's when Economy(in a Capitalist form) and Politics mingle, the result is Crony Capitalism.
    yeah, pretty close but not relevant to this discussion..at all. Talk about the U.S. Government bailing out certain auto manufacturers, then you would be on point. However, Blizzard laying off employees is in no way tied to the government. It's most likely as people have pointed out, no fresh ideas bringing a revenue stream that will keep the bottom line healthy. SUcks to be them but it happens all the time.  
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,680
    Sovrath said:

    It's pretty simple, if you don't like large corporations then don't work for them.

    Don't buy their products either.

    if a large corporation does something against the law then by all means they shoud be held accountable.

    But large corporations do large thigns that smaller companies can't.

    My original post was just that, if you are going to work for a large corporation know what you are getting into. Not any more complicated than that.

    And "no" I never said anything that gave large corporations carte blanche to be parasitic, to do anyting against the law.

    But people seem to forget that large corporations do let people go, do look at their bottom line when they are buying their products.
    Again, nothing about my post was any more specific than yours.  This multi-national corporation wave that's coming along with globalism, if left unchecked, creates a populist backlash.  Taken to the extreme on one side will likely force an extreme on the other, and an extreme populist backlash almost never leads to peaceful outcomes, if we track history.  If we're going to speak generally about corporations, it's apathetically narrow-minded to resign one's self as you did in your initial post.

    Your first two sentences are merely unrealistic, and don't think that's lost on some of these ubiquitous corporations.  Prudential Real Estate, for example, was a player in the housing bubble; yet they're still managing over a trillion dollars worth of real estate and other assets (edited for clarity and accuracy).  You're not realistically going to avoid them.  That's just one specific corporation in one specific, very clear example of detrimental effects said corporations can act to produce on a population.

    It's dangerously ignorant to resign ourselves in any situation that could prove detrimental to the well-being of a general population (be that climate change, corporate influence, or even dictatorial regimes).
    Great, by all means, tell us what you would like to do that is actionable and can lead to success? Other than changing the laws. I'm all for that. Go ahead.

    I strongly suspect that you are just arm chair soap boxing but would be beyond proud if you are actually getting out there, picketing, joining groups, maybe even getting into government yourself.


    Gdemami



  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 16,798
    You can bet none of the leeches making 7 digit salaries will ever have to worry about job loss,they could already retire.
    This will end up a good movie feature "Blizzard,seven ways to die",starring top execs and co starring,lack of effort.
    TimEisen

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 16,798
    Sovrath said:

    There's nothing here about holding anyone's hand.  There's also nothing about knowing the nature of an organization that inherently makes it okay or positive.  An admitted thief is still a thief (this isn't implying that's what happened here, this is a general response about your original post of resignation towards corporations).  If something appears to be detrimental to the common good, the perpetrators of that thing are no less destructive to the society merely because they're honest about it.

    The status quo isn't inherently best-case merely because it's the status quo.  Status quo doesn't even imply "good-case."
    It's pretty simple, if you don't like large corporations then don't work for them.

    Don't buy their products either.

    if a large corporation does something against the law then by all means they shoud be held accountable.

    But large corporations do large thigns that smaller companies can't.

    My original post was just that, if you are going to work for a large corporation know what you are getting into. Not any more complicated than that.

    And "no" I never said anything that gave large corporations carte blanche to be parasitic, to do anyting against the law.

    But people seem to forget that large corporations do let people go, do look at their bottom line when they are buying their products.
    Well like all walks of life,large corps are hit n miss,some are doing good things some are not and most we simply can't trust one way or another.
    EVERYTHING that is wrong in this world is about power and money.Me or any average person could make 100k a year in gaming we would be thrilled,top execs,investors want to see huge numbers or they are not happy and start pointing fingers.

    The other aspect is when large corps are making loads of money,they start to do some good things,well every corp except pharmaceuticals lol,they just continue to scam the world of money.

    They say that Kotick clown made 24+ million in 2012 although much of it deferred.In 2017 he made 23 million,that is outrageous numbers,they say 300x the median for a ceo in his position.

    Imagine how many jobs that could supply Blizzard if one asshat wasn't leeching it all?
    TimEisen

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 2,939
    Scorchien said:
    Ungood said:
    Ya know what really kills me about Blizzard, is they have the best.. I mean.. Absolute Best Trailers and Videos for their games.. like ever.. they are funny, engaging, well done, I love them, I don't even play WoW or Overwatch, and yet I have watched all their trailers for both games, a few times over because they were epic.. and yet they still managed to make a shit movie.. I cannot even fathom how that was remotely possible.
    Thats because Blizz did not make the movie , the sold the rights to Duncan Jones to make the movie , who then proceeded to alter Blizzs  original script considerably...
    Still.. amazing how a company that does such great cinematographic could pull off such a horrible movie.. I would also most bet that more people would watch a movie made by Blizzard. Which you know.. could be their next venture, maybe make movies.
    ScorchienGdemami
  • VorthanionVorthanion Member RarePosts: 2,651
    What amazes me every time something like this happens are the "white knighters" coming out of the woodwork to defend corporate greed.
    And that happened where in this thread?

    In the tweet link of the original post.

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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    edited February 2019
    Sovrath said:
    Sovrath said:

    It's pretty simple, if you don't like large corporations then don't work for them.

    Don't buy their products either.

    if a large corporation does something against the law then by all means they shoud be held accountable.

    But large corporations do large thigns that smaller companies can't.

    My original post was just that, if you are going to work for a large corporation know what you are getting into. Not any more complicated than that.

    And "no" I never said anything that gave large corporations carte blanche to be parasitic, to do anyting against the law.

    But people seem to forget that large corporations do let people go, do look at their bottom line when they are buying their products.
    Again, nothing about my post was any more specific than yours.  This multi-national corporation wave that's coming along with globalism, if left unchecked, creates a populist backlash.  Taken to the extreme on one side will likely force an extreme on the other, and an extreme populist backlash almost never leads to peaceful outcomes, if we track history.  If we're going to speak generally about corporations, it's apathetically narrow-minded to resign one's self as you did in your initial post.

    Your first two sentences are merely unrealistic, and don't think that's lost on some of these ubiquitous corporations.  Prudential Real Estate, for example, was a player in the housing bubble; yet they're still managing over a trillion dollars worth of real estate and other assets (edited for clarity and accuracy).  You're not realistically going to avoid them.  That's just one specific corporation in one specific, very clear example of detrimental effects said corporations can act to produce on a population.

    It's dangerously ignorant to resign ourselves in any situation that could prove detrimental to the well-being of a general population (be that climate change, corporate influence, or even dictatorial regimes).
    Great, by all means, tell us what you would like to do that is actionable and can lead to success? Other than changing the laws. I'm all for that. Go ahead.

    I strongly suspect that you are just arm chair soap boxing but would be beyond proud if you are actually getting out there, picketing, joining groups, maybe even getting into government yourself.


    Not interested in getting into government myself at the momentous level required to provide oversight to these corporations, as I'm not interested in being famous for any reason whatsoever.  But yes, I am politically active.  To the point my real life friends sometimes get sick of it.  However, even being politically active in America becomes damn near an exercise in futility for the very apathy I cite here: if you're not Dems fighting Repubs, or Repubs fighting Dems, the vast majority of Americans aren't listening, because the "enemy" isn't easily distinguishable.  Tribalism has firmly taken hold, sad to say, and the targets of said tribalism are grossly misguided by the parties themselves.

    And this is an online forum: what else is anyone doing here other than soap boxing or comparing opinions?  What was your original post if not apathetic soap boxing about the inevitability of "corporations gonna corporate"?

    As for what's to be done, it's not really that hard to know in general what's to be done.  The hard part is getting the support to counterbalance the massive lobbying efforts by said corporations.  It's that R word that so many think is the devil (regulation).  It's not the devil, it's merely a tool, akin to a shovel.  A shovel that can be used to dig a hole to plant a tree, or beat someone to death, depending upon the wielder's intent.
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  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,977
    Hatefull said:
    DMKano said:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1095374774728048640

    "As they brace for today's layoffs, Blizzard employees are crying and hugging in the parking lot, according to a person there."

    Man my heart goes out to them. The feeling of the impending job loss is the worst.

    Anticipation sucks - especially when the outcome is bad.
    I work as a contractor, similar to what this is. Never get comfortable, even on years-long jobs you have to be prepared to be unemployed at a moments notice. Or switch to a more stable career field. I am not happy to hear this but it is not the end of the world and I doubt very much last week was the first inklings (internally) that this was going to happen.

    Sucks, but life goes on.



    It wasn't - they were notified before due to California law on mass layoffs (modifed WARN act) - they had to give advance notice and a severance package

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_Adjustment_and_Retraining_Notification_Act_of_1988

    "In addition to the WARN Act, which is a federal law, several states have enacted similar acts that require advance notice or severance payments to employees facing job loss from a mass layoff or plant closing. For example, California requires advance notice for plant closings, layoffs, and relocations of 50 or more employees regardless of percentage of workforce, that is, without the federal "one-third" rule for mass layoffs of fewer than 500 employees. Also, the California law applies to employers with 75 or more employees, counting both full-time and part-time employees"
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  • learis1learis1 Member UncommonPosts: 126
    Is this thread about genuinely feeling bad for people getting laid off, or is this about pretending to feel that way in order to mask that you're eating popcorn as you watch a ship sink?
    MisterZebubKyleranGobstopper3D

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  • MisterZebubMisterZebub Member LegendaryPosts: 3,584
    learis1 said:
    Is this thread about genuinely feeling bad for people getting laid off, or is this about pretending to feel that way in order to mask that you're eating popcorn as you watch a ship sink?
    Well that's a rather leading question, and as such I refuse to answer. ..... Uh ... want some popcorn?
    Arterius

    "You have kept me at your beck and call for fifteen years. I shall never again do what you demand of me. By every rule of single combat, from this moment your life belongs to me. Is that not correct? Then I shall simply declare you dead. In all of your dealings with me, you'll do me the courtesy to conduct yourself as a dead man. I have submitted to your notions of honor long enough. You will now submit to mine."

  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 6,037
    Wizardry said:
    Sovrath said:

    There's nothing here about holding anyone's hand.  There's also nothing about knowing the nature of an organization that inherently makes it okay or positive.  An admitted thief is still a thief (this isn't implying that's what happened here, this is a general response about your original post of resignation towards corporations).  If something appears to be detrimental to the common good, the perpetrators of that thing are no less destructive to the society merely because they're honest about it.

    The status quo isn't inherently best-case merely because it's the status quo.  Status quo doesn't even imply "good-case."
    It's pretty simple, if you don't like large corporations then don't work for them.

    Don't buy their products either.

    if a large corporation does something against the law then by all means they shoud be held accountable.

    But large corporations do large thigns that smaller companies can't.

    My original post was just that, if you are going to work for a large corporation know what you are getting into. Not any more complicated than that.

    And "no" I never said anything that gave large corporations carte blanche to be parasitic, to do anyting against the law.

    But people seem to forget that large corporations do let people go, do look at their bottom line when they are buying their products.
    Well like all walks of life,large corps are hit n miss,some are doing good things some are not and most we simply can't trust one way or another.
    EVERYTHING that is wrong in this world is about power and money.Me or any average person could make 100k a year in gaming we would be thrilled,top execs,investors want to see huge numbers or they are not happy and start pointing fingers.

    The other aspect is when large corps are making loads of money,they start to do some good things,well every corp except pharmaceuticals lol,they just continue to scam the world of money.

    They say that Kotick clown made 24+ million in 2012 although much of it deferred.In 2017 he made 23 million,that is outrageous numbers,they say 300x the median for a ceo in his position.

    Imagine how many jobs that could supply Blizzard if one asshat wasn't leeching it all?
    HUGE importance here !

    Mostly in the last line..... "Blizzard leaching it all"



    Someone could argue, why should they share the wealth ? 

    Well, They don't have to do exactly that, but they could fix and enhance their products for better quality with excess money.... put funds back into the product. 

    This will improve costumer relations, help in saving jobs, and over all be the right thing. 



    BUT instead..... They take it all, every time, leaving nothing, zero !!!!! 



    In this case, they make an expansion, with a fixed predetermined end date that was decided from the start.  Complete with knowing the layoff totally from the beginning. 

    Nice neat package told to the shareholders from the beginning, for them to endorse it.
    Gdemami
  • sayuusayuu Member RarePosts: 749
    Gorwe said:
    danwest58 said:
    Gorwe said:
    Ok, it was a free opportunity to bash croneys and their vile mutations. How could I miss such an opportunity. Be real! ;)

    I agree with Steve though. Shareholders are basically people living free off someone else's work. It makes complete sense that the only thing they care about is profit. Imagine if you went to BWin and earned 2x the deposit every time. Would be awesome, no? This is just what shareholders do. Risk their money in a hope of earning muchos pesos. And not care about much else.

    It's a suicide for creativity and freedom.
    O and BTW Stockholders are good for certain industries.  Like the Auto Industry, build a new car that might attract more people everyone wins.   Its not good for gaming because gaming is an Art it is not a useful every day tool.  
    Exactly. Most of stuff I care about are artistic(let's be real, games, movies and books aren't exactly a non-artistic venue) and share holders are kinda boggarts when it comes to that. Ever since players started designing MTG(Ixalan onwards), the game's been much more fun and healthy than ever when suits were designing them. Also, compare Apex to your typical EA game for another example.

    sayuu said:
    Gorwe said:
    Ok, it was a free opportunity to bash croneys and their vile mutations. How could I miss such an opportunity. Be real! ;)

    I agree with Steve though. Shareholders are basically people living free off someone else's work. It makes complete sense that the only thing they care about is profit. Imagine if you went to BWin and earned 2x the deposit every time. Would be awesome, no? This is just what shareholders do. Risk their money in a hope of earning muchos pesos. And not care about much else.

    It's a suicide for creativity and freedom.




    how can there be risk if these so called share holders "earned 2x the deposit every time" would that be no risk?


    you dont make much sense, but what do I know I'm just a evil shareholder myself. . . 

    You tell me as a shareholder. Do you want risk? Or does my cash ideal / example sound better? Also, is Greed truly Eternal(ever rising profits etc)?
    Sure, but then again I like to live dangerously cause I'm such a Bad Ass. . .
    Kyleran
  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Hatefull said:
    danwest58 said:
    Like I said I expected this Esports thing to come crashing down on these companies.   So its no surprise that the Esports groups will get laid off.   Anyone who thinks this really would have taken off has no idea about ESports.   How did StarCraft become an Esport back in 1999?   I can tell you it was not because Blizzard was pushing it to be an ESport.  It just naturally happened from players like myself that like the game and ended up having local tournaments on our college campus.  

    Now I am sorry to see these employees being let go.  With that said, I think Activision needs to just make me their next CEO.  I would turn that company back into a private company.  I would call in the people that came up with Micro-Transactions into my office and FIRE them right on the spot.  I would fire every manager that was pushing game changes on the game developers because these managers wanted to focus on money not making a good game.  I would fire the managers that pushed the Esports.   I would also move Blizzard out of California to the Mid West to reduce cost.  I would also fire the all the GAMES JOURNALIST companies that tried to push SJW bull crap into the games and any managers I mean Activist hired by the company.  

    Then I would push the Game developers to get back to making games without cash shops with a subscription model, focus on the games and making them fun for customers.  NOT making games for shareholders, Activist and want to be Esports people.   I would Also shut down Diablo Immortal and make D4 and refocus the team on making new IPs and new games for current IPs.    
    I seriously have not laughed that hard in a while. That was awesome, great job bringing some levity to an otherwise very unhappy discussion. lol.
    funny perhaps, but there are a lot of good points in there, the SJW 'bc' has destroyed more than a few games now, the journos we don't have to worry so much about as most of them are gradually being sacked anyway, yeah, managers whatever, basically whoever it is that is pushing microtransactions at the expense of gameplay, i'd sack not just them but all the mobile focused ones too. ;)
    GdemamiKyleran
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 12,445
    edited February 2019
    There is nothing wrong with corporations as long as the legal framework in which they work is fit for the task. I gave the example of how in the UK the rules changed in the nineties which allowed directors to set their own pay, previously this had to be passed by shareholder meetings. that allowed them like politicians to pay themselves whatever they liked.

    Just like any other aspect of society, if the laws are not correct that aspect can go of the rails. Similarly with the way taxes are being avoided, that's gone on since before the word "company" was invented, never mind "corporation". This one would require international co-operation though, which is in rather short supply. 
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  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 7,010
    Phry said:
    Hatefull said:
    danwest58 said:
    Like I said I expected this Esports thing to come crashing down on these companies.   So its no surprise that the Esports groups will get laid off.   Anyone who thinks this really would have taken off has no idea about ESports.   How did StarCraft become an Esport back in 1999?   I can tell you it was not because Blizzard was pushing it to be an ESport.  It just naturally happened from players like myself that like the game and ended up having local tournaments on our college campus.  

    Now I am sorry to see these employees being let go.  With that said, I think Activision needs to just make me their next CEO.  I would turn that company back into a private company.  I would call in the people that came up with Micro-Transactions into my office and FIRE them right on the spot.  I would fire every manager that was pushing game changes on the game developers because these managers wanted to focus on money not making a good game.  I would fire the managers that pushed the Esports.   I would also move Blizzard out of California to the Mid West to reduce cost.  I would also fire the all the GAMES JOURNALIST companies that tried to push SJW bull crap into the games and any managers I mean Activist hired by the company.  

    Then I would push the Game developers to get back to making games without cash shops with a subscription model, focus on the games and making them fun for customers.  NOT making games for shareholders, Activist and want to be Esports people.   I would Also shut down Diablo Immortal and make D4 and refocus the team on making new IPs and new games for current IPs.    
    I seriously have not laughed that hard in a while. That was awesome, great job bringing some levity to an otherwise very unhappy discussion. lol.
    funny perhaps, but there are a lot of good points in there, the SJW 'bc' has destroyed more than a few games now, the journos we don't have to worry so much about as most of them are gradually being sacked anyway, yeah, managers whatever, basically whoever it is that is pushing microtransactions at the expense of gameplay, i'd sack not just them but all the mobile focused ones too. ;)
    Which games were "destroyed" by SJWs?
  • GaladournGaladourn Member RarePosts: 1,808
    Hatefull said:
    DMKano said:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1095374774728048640

    "As they brace for today's layoffs, Blizzard employees are crying and hugging in the parking lot, according to a person there."

    Man my heart goes out to them. The feeling of the impending job loss is the worst.

    Anticipation sucks - especially when the outcome is bad.
    I work as a contractor, similar to what this is. Never get comfortable, even on years-long jobs you have to be prepared to be unemployed at a moments notice. Or switch to a more stable career field. I am not happy to hear this but it is not the end of the world and I doubt very much last week was the first inklings (internally) that this was going to happen.

    Sucks, but life goes on.


    You make it sound as if the crying and hugging is only related to the potential financial stress experienced; but what if they cry and hug simply because they will miss working together with good friends?

    On a side note: life goes on indeed, but we can still be sad and cry about things that happen along its course.
    Kylerancraftseeker
  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 7,010
    Galadourn said:
    Hatefull said:
    DMKano said:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1095374774728048640

    "As they brace for today's layoffs, Blizzard employees are crying and hugging in the parking lot, according to a person there."

    Man my heart goes out to them. The feeling of the impending job loss is the worst.

    Anticipation sucks - especially when the outcome is bad.
    I work as a contractor, similar to what this is. Never get comfortable, even on years-long jobs you have to be prepared to be unemployed at a moments notice. Or switch to a more stable career field. I am not happy to hear this but it is not the end of the world and I doubt very much last week was the first inklings (internally) that this was going to happen.

    Sucks, but life goes on.


    You make it sound as if the crying and hugging is only related to the potential financial stress experienced; but what if they cry and hug simply because they will miss working together with good friends?

    On a side note: life goes on indeed, but we can still be sad and cry about things that happen along its course.
    Good point. People aren't just losing their shit because of a lost job (in an industry that seems to never stop blooming), but they are humans that made friends with each other and had lives together. This moment is a potential for losing people that became almost family to some.
    GaladournKyleran
  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 6,981
    edited February 2019
    Ungood said:
    Scorchien said:
    Ungood said:
    Ya know what really kills me about Blizzard, is they have the best.. I mean.. Absolute Best Trailers and Videos for their games.. like ever.. they are funny, engaging, well done, I love them, I don't even play WoW or Overwatch, and yet I have watched all their trailers for both games, a few times over because they were epic.. and yet they still managed to make a shit movie.. I cannot even fathom how that was remotely possible.
    Thats because Blizz did not make the movie , the sold the rights to Duncan Jones to make the movie , who then proceeded to alter Blizzs  original script considerably...
    Still.. amazing how a company that does such great cinematographic could pull off such a horrible movie.. I would also most bet that more people would watch a movie made by Blizzard. Which you know.. could be their next venture, maybe make movies.
      I actually agree with you here , but it was not the way it worked out ( this time)

        Jones was also going thru some very serious personal issues that cropped during the filming which made for a very  difficult situation for all involved ..

         Lest hope we get another , with better results down the road ...
    UngoodKyleran
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    edited February 2019
    Phry said:
    Hatefull said:
    danwest58 said:
    Like I said I expected this Esports thing to come crashing down on these companies.   So its no surprise that the Esports groups will get laid off.   Anyone who thinks this really would have taken off has no idea about ESports.   How did StarCraft become an Esport back in 1999?   I can tell you it was not because Blizzard was pushing it to be an ESport.  It just naturally happened from players like myself that like the game and ended up having local tournaments on our college campus.  

    Now I am sorry to see these employees being let go.  With that said, I think Activision needs to just make me their next CEO.  I would turn that company back into a private company.  I would call in the people that came up with Micro-Transactions into my office and FIRE them right on the spot.  I would fire every manager that was pushing game changes on the game developers because these managers wanted to focus on money not making a good game.  I would fire the managers that pushed the Esports.   I would also move Blizzard out of California to the Mid West to reduce cost.  I would also fire the all the GAMES JOURNALIST companies that tried to push SJW bull crap into the games and any managers I mean Activist hired by the company.  

    Then I would push the Game developers to get back to making games without cash shops with a subscription model, focus on the games and making them fun for customers.  NOT making games for shareholders, Activist and want to be Esports people.   I would Also shut down Diablo Immortal and make D4 and refocus the team on making new IPs and new games for current IPs.    
    I seriously have not laughed that hard in a while. That was awesome, great job bringing some levity to an otherwise very unhappy discussion. lol.
    funny perhaps, but there are a lot of good points in there, the SJW 'bc' has destroyed more than a few games now, the journos we don't have to worry so much about as most of them are gradually being sacked anyway, yeah, managers whatever, basically whoever it is that is pushing microtransactions at the expense of gameplay, i'd sack not just them but all the mobile focused ones too. ;)
    Which games were "destroyed" by SJWs?
    All the games he chose not to play because their developers didn't support his agenda.
    Kyleran

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  • BizkitNLBizkitNL Member RarePosts: 2,515
    edited February 2019
    Sovrath said:
    Sovrath said:
    I'm not apathetic towards folks getting laid off, but people get canned in droves everyday bee.

    The melodrama that follows after game studio layoffs is a bit much. Stop acting like they f#$%ing died.
    sounds to me that you are.
    If you can't follow 2 simple sentences that's on you.

    Again, it blows when folks lose their jobs or income while doing their job. Again, I acknowledge that (RIF) but it's a natural and normal situation in corporate.

    I just hope all the folks who find this so absolutely heart wrenching and have Hans Zimmer playing in their brains have a big bottle of Zoloft for outside what's happening outside of game dev studios.


    Their pain is there pain. and yet you judge them because they aren't behaving how "you" want them to. And you belittle how they express that pain. Yet you say that you feel for them. So maybe be clear on the word before you use it.

    However,  you are 100% correct in that this is a normal situation in the corporate world. This is why, if I'm laid off by a corporation it's never a big deal. But that's me. And perhaps that's you. But it's possible these people have been working with their coworkers for years and they probably care for each other on top of the uncertainty of being jobless.

    So it's more than fine that they express that sorrow and fear in whatever way they see fit.



    Pretty sure he wasn't referring to the people in the parking lot, but to the internet that somehow reacts as if it didn't know things like this happen on a daily, possible even hourly basis.

    Edit: spelling
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