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Blizzard employees crying and hugging in the parking lot

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  • GorweGorwe Member EpicPosts: 6,383
    edited February 2019
    rodarin said:
    yet despite this still historical lows in unemployment....
    Unemployment could be low for a variety of reasons. What's important are other economic factors. Employment rate, salary amount, salary trends, GDP, shopping basket etc.
    GdemamicraftseekerTimEisen
  • parrotpholkparrotpholk Member EpicPosts: 4,602
    Gorwe said:
    Horusra said:
    Gorwe said:
    FUCK Croney Capitalism(it's rotten to the core)! Look, I admire Capitalism as an idea, but...Croney Capitalism is literally the worst.

    My condolences to the employees. Suits...go and jump off a bridge, will you? /spit
    Do you even know what Crony Capitalism is?
    Yes, ofc. When Trump the entrepreneur personally knows a minister of architecture(or something) then manages to influence the "free" market. It's when Economy(in a Capitalist form) and Politics mingle, the result is Crony Capitalism.
    And wtf does that have anything to do with this thread?


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  • sayuusayuu Member RarePosts: 749
    rodarin said:
    yet despite this still historical lows in unemployment....
    That's because everyone is working 4 jobs at 169 hours a week and still cant feed all their kids!!!

    Trust me, I have a degree from Boston University's College of Arts and Sciences in international relations and economics.


    As to all these poor people getting laid off I think they should learn how to work in a Coal mine, because they already know how to code. . .
    GdemamiKyleranTimEisen
  • ManWithNoTanManWithNoTan Member UncommonPosts: 95
    I'm a programmer, been through many layoffs. The ones that get cut are generally the workers. The management that made the decisions that led to the layoff, they are usually safe and keep their jobs - which years later repeats into another layoff, for the same crap as the last one. 
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  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    Sovrath said:
    Sovrath said:
    I'm not apathetic towards folks getting laid off, but people get canned in droves everyday bee.

    The melodrama that follows after game studio layoffs is a bit much. Stop acting like they f#$%ing died.
    sounds to me that you are.
    If you can't follow 2 simple sentences that's on you.

    Again, it blows when folks lose their jobs or income while doing their job. Again, I acknowledge that (RIF) but it's a natural and normal situation in corporate.

    I just hope all the folks who find this so absolutely heart wrenching and have Hans Zimmer playing in their brains have a big bottle of Zoloft for outside what's happening outside of game dev studios.


    Their pain is there pain. and yet you judge them because they aren't behaving how "you" want them to. And you belittle how they express that pain. Yet you say that you feel for them. So maybe be clear on the word before you use it.

    However,  you are 100% correct in that this is a normal situation in the corporate world. This is why, if I'm laid off by a corporation it's never a big deal. But that's me. And perhaps that's you. But it's possible these people have been working with their coworkers for years and they probably care for each other on top of the uncertainty of being jobless.

    So it's more than fine that they express that sorrow and fear in whatever way they see fit.



    I'm not talking about the employees reaction. That's normal. They'll miss their colleagues and mates.

    Some will have to go on cobra if they can't secure another gig quick enough. Resume's will get updated. Most will find new jobs and keep it pushing.

    Point is, some of the reactions on this forum when stuff like this happens is a bit much. It's not like a small town lost a mill and everybody is turning turning tricks or selling meth.
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,654
    Sovrath said:
    Sovrath said:
    I'm not apathetic towards folks getting laid off, but people get canned in droves everyday bee.

    The melodrama that follows after game studio layoffs is a bit much. Stop acting like they f#$%ing died.
    sounds to me that you are.
    If you can't follow 2 simple sentences that's on you.

    Again, it blows when folks lose their jobs or income while doing their job. Again, I acknowledge that (RIF) but it's a natural and normal situation in corporate.

    I just hope all the folks who find this so absolutely heart wrenching and have Hans Zimmer playing in their brains have a big bottle of Zoloft for outside what's happening outside of game dev studios.


    Their pain is there pain. and yet you judge them because they aren't behaving how "you" want them to. And you belittle how they express that pain. Yet you say that you feel for them. So maybe be clear on the word before you use it.

    However,  you are 100% correct in that this is a normal situation in the corporate world. This is why, if I'm laid off by a corporation it's never a big deal. But that's me. And perhaps that's you. But it's possible these people have been working with their coworkers for years and they probably care for each other on top of the uncertainty of being jobless.

    So it's more than fine that they express that sorrow and fear in whatever way they see fit.



    I'm not talking about the employees reaction. That's normal. They'll miss their colleagues and mates.

    Some will have to go on cobra if they can't secure another gig quick enough. Resume's will get updated. Most will find new jobs and keep it pushing.

    Point is, some of the reactions on this forum when stuff like this happens is a bit much. It's not like a small town lost a mill and everybody is turning turning tricks or selling meth.
    ah thanks for the clarification, that wasn't clear.



  • WargfootWargfoot Member UncommonPosts: 248
    Are you sure these are employees in the parking lot and not the test group for Blizzard's latest offerings?
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  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 6,030
    As a wise person I know stated,

    Ambitious people that are willing to work will always find a good job.
    I would guess at considering Blizzard workers upper end like Microsoft. 
    They'll be OK, i'm sure   o:)
    parrotpholkWargfoot
  • GorweGorwe Member EpicPosts: 6,383
    Gorwe said:
    Horusra said:
    Gorwe said:
    FUCK Croney Capitalism(it's rotten to the core)! Look, I admire Capitalism as an idea, but...Croney Capitalism is literally the worst.

    My condolences to the employees. Suits...go and jump off a bridge, will you? /spit
    Do you even know what Crony Capitalism is?
    Yes, ofc. When Trump the entrepreneur personally knows a minister of architecture(or something) then manages to influence the "free" market. It's when Economy(in a Capitalist form) and Politics mingle, the result is Crony Capitalism.
    And wtf does that have anything to do with this thread?


    Because Corps are like a tiny example of Croney Capitalism. Those who truly work, those who are a quality workforce rarely survive. Yet the Croneys of a boss often not only survive, but wrangle a raise of all things. Exactly the same as Croney Capitalism unto itself.

    While there is something to be said about lack of innovation and lack of ambition, but...there is the other side as well. Watch this week's Jimquisition. Stupid, surreal projections are stupid and surreal and should be ignored.
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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 8,919
    Can't be easy bonding with co-workers for many years then having to leave.  Especially if you are supporting a family or if you have medical conditions that may make it hard to get reinsured.  I wish them all the best.
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  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    I don't think this was a matter of cronyism. You might be misusing the word.

    This has to do with the common tale of the 2 Bobs (the corporate min/max agency hired to cut costs and increase profit).



    These agencies will never tell the guy who is cutting their check, to get rid of his/her Enzo fetish to make the company appear more profitable.

    If you're not upper management you're livestock. 

    Unfortunately in the US, folks who ideologically tap dance for unmitigated capitalism like it's some standard of patriotism, are the ones who get their ass kicked the worse.

    Capitalism needs to pay attention to the first 3 letters. Oh my bad, that's socialism tho...  :/
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  • danwest58danwest58 Member RarePosts: 2,011
    edited February 2019
    Gorwe said:
    FUCK Croney Capitalism(it's rotten to the core)! Look, I admire Capitalism as an idea, but...Croney Capitalism is literally the worst.

    My condolences to the employees. Suits...go and jump off a bridge, will you? /spit
    This has nothing to do with Croney Capitalism at all.  Its like Steve Jobs said, once the financial people take over a company the product is FUCKED.  Video Gaming companies should have never gone public Period.  They end up fucking the customer to make shareholders money.   When these companies were privately held they had to make money with that said its not to make money for shareholders.    When you have Shareholders the Money people start running the business to make them money not to make customers happy.  
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  • WargfootWargfoot Member UncommonPosts: 248
    Can a company have a down turn without it being an indictment of a particular economic theory?
    craftseeker
  • GorweGorwe Member EpicPosts: 6,383
    edited February 2019
    Ok, it was a free opportunity to bash croneys and their vile mutations. How could I miss such an opportunity. Be real! ;)

    I agree with Steve though. Shareholders are basically people living free off someone else's work. It makes complete sense that the only thing they care about is profit. Imagine if you went to BWin and earned 2x the deposit every time. Would be awesome, no? This is just what shareholders do. Risk their money in a hope of earning muchos pesos. And not care about much else.

    It's a suicide for creativity and freedom.
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  • MisterZebubMisterZebub Member LegendaryPosts: 3,584
    Pyuk said:
    Meanwhile, Bobby "I'm important dammit" Kotick's salary and bonuses equaling ~$38 million annually are safe. Thank goodness, amiright?


    "You have kept me at your beck and call for fifteen years. I shall never again do what you demand of me. By every rule of single combat, from this moment your life belongs to me. Is that not correct? Then I shall simply declare you dead. In all of your dealings with me, you'll do me the courtesy to conduct yourself as a dead man. I have submitted to your notions of honor long enough. You will now submit to mine."

  • sayuusayuu Member RarePosts: 749
    edited February 2019
    Gorwe said:
    Ok, it was a free opportunity to bash croneys and their vile mutations. How could I miss such an opportunity. Be real! ;)

    I agree with Steve though. Shareholders are basically people living free off someone else's work. It makes complete sense that the only thing they care about is profit. Imagine if you went to BWin and earned 2x the deposit every time. Would be awesome, no? This is just what shareholders do. Risk their money in a hope of earning muchos pesos. And not care about much else.

    It's a suicide for creativity and freedom.




    how can there be risk if these so called share holders "earned 2x the deposit every time" would that be no risk?


    you dont make much sense, but what do I know I'm just a evil shareholder myself. . . 
  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 6,030
    Gorwe said:
    Ok, it was a free opportunity to bash croneys and their vile mutations. How could I miss such an opportunity. Be real! ;)

    I agree with Steve though. Shareholders are basically people living free off someone else's work. It makes complete sense that the only thing they care about is profit. Imagine if you went to BWin and earned 2x the deposit every time. Would be awesome, no? This is just what shareholders do. Risk their money in a hope of earning muchos pesos. And not care about much else.

    It's a suicide for creativity and freedom.
    I have a saying,
    Anything for anyone above 10 million is greed and power. Greed and Power are evil,

    I'm glad i'm just Ok, maybe a little above that, because I'm a little insecure and my faith is not strong enough.

    God be with you employees  !
    Gdemami
  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 6,392
    I think this post was directed to the human side of job loss, and not an attempt to advocate one economic theory over another.  
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  • danwest58danwest58 Member RarePosts: 2,011
    Gorwe said:
    Ok, it was a free opportunity to bash croneys and their vile mutations. How could I miss such an opportunity. Be real! ;)

    I agree with Steve though. Shareholders are basically people living free off someone else's work. It makes complete sense that the only thing they care about is profit. Imagine if you went to BWin and earned 2x the deposit every time. Would be awesome, no? This is just what shareholders do. Risk their money in a hope of earning muchos pesos. And not care about much else.

    It's a suicide for creativity and freedom.
    In the end you look like a fool because again this has nothing to do with Croney capitalism.   It has everything to do with Money people wanting more money and trying to run a Product.   Had Product people been involved AVTI wouldnt have this shit would not have going on. The problem is Micro Transactions, trying to sell you a Dot because the game is F2P and needing to make more and more money for shareholders.   If I became CEO of AVTI I would be firing the money people that did the micro transactions, making games into Esports, and tried to control the product side because those decision makers should be fired.   A gamer would make a better CEO of these companies than Mr. MBA that knows how to manage money.  I would hire a good CFO and push the Developers to make games for Gamers NOT stockholders and activist.   

    If you want Croney capitalism loom at Obama care and how Insurance companies wrote that law and their CEOs made countless millions more than they already were making.   Not where Money people try to make more money off of stupid ideas.  
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  • danwest58danwest58 Member RarePosts: 2,011
    Gorwe said:
    Ok, it was a free opportunity to bash croneys and their vile mutations. How could I miss such an opportunity. Be real! ;)

    I agree with Steve though. Shareholders are basically people living free off someone else's work. It makes complete sense that the only thing they care about is profit. Imagine if you went to BWin and earned 2x the deposit every time. Would be awesome, no? This is just what shareholders do. Risk their money in a hope of earning muchos pesos. And not care about much else.

    It's a suicide for creativity and freedom.
    O and BTW Stockholders are good for certain industries.  Like the Auto Industry, build a new car that might attract more people everyone wins.   Its not good for gaming because gaming is an Art it is not a useful every day tool.  
    Gdemami
  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 6,030
    danwest58 said:
    Gorwe said:
    Ok, it was a free opportunity to bash croneys and their vile mutations. How could I miss such an opportunity. Be real! ;)

    I agree with Steve though. Shareholders are basically people living free off someone else's work. It makes complete sense that the only thing they care about is profit. Imagine if you went to BWin and earned 2x the deposit every time. Would be awesome, no? This is just what shareholders do. Risk their money in a hope of earning muchos pesos. And not care about much else.

    It's a suicide for creativity and freedom.
    O and BTW Stockholders are good for certain industries.  Like the Auto Industry, build a new car that might attract more people everyone wins.   Its not good for gaming because gaming is an Art it is not a useful every day tool.  
    This is getting off subject, to the employees that lost their job.

    But I disagree, 
    I worked of Time Warner Music among the companies they sold off too.  I had 22 years to soul search this issue of Art and entertainment.  It's very serious business.  As offbeat as this sounds, they are important.  Big Business Automakers are in the business of luxury too. 

    Everything is Luxury other than bread milk, water and a roof over your head ! 
  • GorweGorwe Member EpicPosts: 6,383
    danwest58 said:
    Gorwe said:
    Ok, it was a free opportunity to bash croneys and their vile mutations. How could I miss such an opportunity. Be real! ;)

    I agree with Steve though. Shareholders are basically people living free off someone else's work. It makes complete sense that the only thing they care about is profit. Imagine if you went to BWin and earned 2x the deposit every time. Would be awesome, no? This is just what shareholders do. Risk their money in a hope of earning muchos pesos. And not care about much else.

    It's a suicide for creativity and freedom.
    O and BTW Stockholders are good for certain industries.  Like the Auto Industry, build a new car that might attract more people everyone wins.   Its not good for gaming because gaming is an Art it is not a useful every day tool.  
    Exactly. Most of stuff I care about are artistic(let's be real, games, movies and books aren't exactly a non-artistic venue) and share holders are kinda boggarts when it comes to that. Ever since players started designing MTG(Ixalan onwards), the game's been much more fun and healthy than ever when suits were designing them. Also, compare Apex to your typical EA game for another example.

    sayuu said:
    Gorwe said:
    Ok, it was a free opportunity to bash croneys and their vile mutations. How could I miss such an opportunity. Be real! ;)

    I agree with Steve though. Shareholders are basically people living free off someone else's work. It makes complete sense that the only thing they care about is profit. Imagine if you went to BWin and earned 2x the deposit every time. Would be awesome, no? This is just what shareholders do. Risk their money in a hope of earning muchos pesos. And not care about much else.

    It's a suicide for creativity and freedom.




    how can there be risk if these so called share holders "earned 2x the deposit every time" would that be no risk?


    you dont make much sense, but what do I know I'm just a evil shareholder myself. . . 

    You tell me as a shareholder. Do you want risk? Or does my cash ideal / example sound better? Also, is Greed truly Eternal(ever rising profits etc)?
    Gdemami
  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 6,688
    Blizzard makes made great games. Reminds me of BioWare with the before and after photo when EA acquired them.
    GdemamicraftseekerGorwe

  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 2,889
    I feel bad for the people laid off, and I wish them well. I hope they secure new jobs soon, but at least this was not right before the holidays like some companies have done. 

    As others have said, all too often the management that made the bad decisions gets to stay, and the it's the people on the bottom rung that pay the price of these poor decisions.

    Again, I wish them all well, and good fortune in the future.
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  • WarEnsembleWarEnsemble Member UncommonPosts: 251
    I don't feel bad for Blizzard. They are worth millions despite having made some seriously stupid decisions in their games. I basically gave up playing Blizzard games because they don't put out quality content anymore.
    Gdemami
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