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  • MoiraeMoirae Member RarePosts: 3,318
    I realized long ago that MMORPG was bought by the companies. I'm here anyway. It's how you make your money. Although the so called 'giveaways' have become a colossal joke. I'm here to keep up on new released and occasionally take part in the fan conversation. But I post a tiny fraction of what I used to. Most of us are aware that pretty much anyone can be bought.
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  • SBFordSBFord Associate Editor - News ManagerMMORPG.COM Staff LegendaryPosts: 33,120
    edited January 30
    Moirae said:
    I realized long ago that MMORPG was bought by the companies. I'm here anyway. It's how you make your money. Although the so called 'giveaways' have become a colossal joke. I'm here to keep up on new released and occasionally take part in the fan conversation. But I post a tiny fraction of what I used to. Most of us are aware that pretty much anyone can be bought.
    Oh please, whisper your suspicions to my wallet because it begs to differ. :D

    I have been here for almost a decade (December 2009!) and I can tell you that we haven't changed one bit editorially, though writers have come and gone, as have users. I'm sure if you were inclined, you could go back 10, 12, 14 years and find the same accusations because people like conspiracy theories. :D 

    In the meantime, we'll just keep doing what we do with our integrity intact.
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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 5,232
    SBFord said:

    In the meantime, we'll just keep doing what we do with our integrity intact.
    I think this site should have a cash shop, with tin foil hats being the first item. And oh, I was paid to say that. Maaaaaaaaaabe .....


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  • BananableBananable Member UncommonPosts: 194
    edited January 30
    Robsolf said:
    I think the problem lies in the fact that some people are too self involved to understand: a reviewer can like or dislike a game more than the reader does, and that that can absolutely occur without any conspiratorial agenda.

    It should go without saying, but these days, it clearly doesn't.

    I think the proble is that public people opinions should be objective, not personal, like when you discuss it with your friends.

    Overwatch is pissing me off, because stipd PR put it to my face all the time. Or LoL I heard about it, but never planned to play it. So it  just existed somewhere out there and afaik it has huge playerbase. But now those stupid glamorous girls pictures are everywhere... sigh.

    They want to attract more people to their niche games, so its not surprising that they get so much negative. What am i suppose to say if i dont like it? Especially after they promsed super mega awesome game. look everygame is rpg now...for some reason.


    P.S. https://store.steampowered.com/app/743860/Wild_West_Online/


    "conspiratorial agenda"
    LOLZ
    Yeah, the reviewers/critics (people that get games for free and dont play games in their free time) tell me to buy new ALPHA version of something that is still unfinished and gonna be in developement for years. And expect me to say good things about it. Really? Theres no game, NOTHING at the moment to buy or even comment.
    Not to mention that YTbers/streamers even MAKE BIG money on KIDS (that also have to buy games) just playing these games. (they dont even bother do to walkthroughs anymore..it take too much time...and its so booring - best advertisement ever!)
    And please dont tell me that devs dont have agreement with hardware companies.

    Artifact? Really? PAID card game when all other companies made f2p versions years ago? When  kids crazy with BR...they release it now? And whole game is about make money on people selling those cards for REAL money on market, like they do with CSGO and Dota.

    EVOLUTION! TECHNOLOGIES!






    It really feels like they do outsourcing. They leave developement to the students while designers go on vacation or somth.
    Gdemami
  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 4,315
    SBFord said:
    Moirae said:
    I realized long ago that MMORPG was bought by the companies. I'm here anyway. It's how you make your money. Although the so called 'giveaways' have become a colossal joke. I'm here to keep up on new released and occasionally take part in the fan conversation. But I post a tiny fraction of what I used to. Most of us are aware that pretty much anyone can be bought.
    Oh please, whisper your suspicions to my wallet because it begs to differ. :D

    I have been here for almost a decade (December 2009!) and I can tell you that we haven't changed one bit editorially, though writers have come and gone, as have users. I'm sure if you were inclined, you could go back 10, 12, 14 years and find the same accusations because people like conspiracy theories. :D 

    In the meantime, we'll just keep doing what we do with our integrity intact.
    I laughed the few times I was called a paid shill. 

    I mean, if Nintendo, Anet, Intelligent Systems, Atlus, or any other developer/publisher on my "nice list" would like to toss a few sheckles my way, I certainly wouldn't say no. 
    SBFord
  • Tindale111Tindale111 Member UncommonPosts: 269
    About the only thing that we all agree on on this site is that a game should be optomised properly before release. other than that we will say it should be a pve game or no should be a pvp game, it has great graphics no it does not ,the questings great the questings terrible etc etc. the point being we all have our own opinions and i have always respected the views on this site, i may not agree with them but at least they give me some insight. maybe ive gone of track slightly but just want to say keep up the good work
  • chambordinchambordin Member UncommonPosts: 175
    I actually visit the site mostly for the genre-scoped news and to a lesser extent for how the community reacts to each individual news article. Unless you are providing misleading facts which I don't think is usually the case, then the writer's opinions generally don't come into the picture, and I usually skip opinion pieces.

    That said, I suppose what interests me most is the specific breadth of games that MMORPG covers. Quite aligned to my tastes? More than other sites for sure.

    Like, I could visit PCgamer but they're mostly talking about what Red Dead Redemption 2 could be if it was on PC (I don't care until they announce it's on PC) or the latest xyz hardware sale gimmick, which anything hardware related isn't content for me but once every 5 years when I'm looking to upgrade my setup.

    Then you've got kotaku talking about smash bros (wtf is that, last nintendo I've touched was more than a decade ago, it's a children's console).

    Rock paper shotgun blocking adblockers (dumb idea, I just won't use your website, you've got better ways to sell me things)...

    Are there any other websites? Oh yeah, gamespot, more console nonsense and videos playing back automatically on page load...

    Also, here's a minor detail to keep in mind, for the conspiracy theorists, none of the aforementioned websites use a dark theme by default, except MMORPG. Do I think it's a coincidence? What reason could these sites have to want to cause me headaches? Are they trying to befuddle my judgment? What's in it for them? Are they all part of a secret gaming news website pact?
    I think MMORPG is the underdog here, I think they are trying to fight a war against shadows and bright confusion-inducing colors, and I'm rooting for them.

    Also they used to have good giveaways. That was fun.
    SBFord
  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 4,928
    Bananable said:
    Robsolf said:
    I think the problem lies in the fact that some people are too self involved to understand: a reviewer can like or dislike a game more than the reader does, and that that can absolutely occur without any conspiratorial agenda.

    It should go without saying, but these days, it clearly doesn't.

    I think the proble is that public people opinions should be objective, not personal, like when you discuss it with your friends.

    Overwatch is pissing me off, because stipd PR put it to my face all the time. Or LoL I heard about it, but never planned to play it. So it  just existed somewhere out there and afaik it has huge playerbase. But now those stupid glamorous girls pictures are everywhere... sigh.

    They want to attract more people to their niche games, so its not surprising that they get so much negative. What am i suppose to say if i dont like it? Especially after they promsed super mega awesome game. look everygame is rpg now...for some reason.


    P.S. https://store.steampowered.com/app/743860/Wild_West_Online/


    "conspiratorial agenda"
    LOLZ
    Yeah, the reviewers/critics (people that get games for free and dont play games in their free time) tell me to buy new ALPHA version of something that is still unfinished and gonna be in developement for years. And expect me to say good things about it. Really? Theres no game, NOTHING at the moment to buy or even comment.
    Not to mention that YTbers/streamers even MAKE BIG money on KIDS (that also have to buy games) just playing these games. (they dont even bother do to walkthroughs anymore..it take too much time...and its so booring - best advertisement ever!)
    And please dont tell me that devs dont have agreement with hardware companies.

    Artifact? Really? PAID card game when all other companies made f2p versions years ago? When  kids crazy with BR...they release it now? And whole game is about make money on people selling those cards for REAL money on market, like they do with CSGO and Dota.

    EVOLUTION! TECHNOLOGIES!






    It really feels like they do outsourcing. They leave developement to the students while designers go on vacation or somth.
    The way you structure your posts is... explosive. Takes quite a bit of effort to figure out what you are trying to say. Love the passion, though.
    I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 4,928
    Aeander said:
    I personally come back for the users I respect. There's quite a few of them, and if you're among my favorites, it's probably obvious to you (cheers, Frenchie). But even some of the users with whom I often disagree (namely Torval and DMKano) have my respect and regard. 

    I can count on one hand the users that I actually have problems with (edit: a certain lol-spammer who won't go away obviously being one of them), and that's fairly remarkable. It's a pretty healthy forum. 
    Gdemami, helping us all get to Legendary status that little bit faster.  ;)
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    I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
  • SeelinnikoiSeelinnikoi Member RarePosts: 1,269
    edited January 30
    How people can be so dumb eh?

    Saying the reviews are biased... OF COURSE THEY ARE!

    They are biased because it is the OPINION of someone else, alongside with some FACTS.

    And this is essential to any and all reviews, otherwise you would be bored because it would be like you were reading a technical sheet out of the QA team of the Developer!

    I will give you an example of how these things differ:

    Opinion A:
    - Game "INSERTNAMEHERE" is tediously grindy, it is boring to do all those daily quests "every day"

    Opinion B:
    - Game "INSERTNAMEHERE" has a lot to do, you have all these different quests and achievements to do everyday, so you dont get bored easily.

    Facts:
    - In Game "INSERTNAMEHERE" you have to collect X amount of tokens in order to buy a piece of set gear. This can be done either by doing Dungeons or by doing the Daily quests and achievements. The amount of tokens you get varies, Dungeons offer you Y tokens and doing quests offers you X tokens.

    See the difference?

    In every review you will have a mix of OPINIONS and FACTS. It will ALWAYS be biased because every individual testing the game will see things differently.
    But a good review, and the reason I am still coming back after all these years, is that this website reviews tend to have good to read/funny/meme worthy BIASED opinions AND facts!
    If it was only one or the other it would probably be dull and I would have not been here all this time.

    /salute MMORPG
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  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 3,069
    Aeander said:
    I personally come back for the users I respect. There's quite a few of them, and if you're among my favorites, it's probably obvious to you (cheers, Frenchie). But even some of the users with whom I often disagree (namely Torval and DMKano) have my respect and regard. 

    I can count on one hand the users that I actually have problems with (edit: a certain lol-spammer who won't go away obviously being one of them), and that's fairly remarkable. It's a pretty healthy forum. 
    Gdemami, helping us all get to Legendary status that little bit faster.  ;)
    I saw where he once missed the LOL button and accidentally hit Awesome.  Any coincidence that the reaction counter was broken for awhile today?



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  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,248
    Mendel said:
    Aeander said:
    I personally come back for the users I respect. There's quite a few of them, and if you're among my favorites, it's probably obvious to you (cheers, Frenchie). But even some of the users with whom I often disagree (namely Torval and DMKano) have my respect and regard. 

    I can count on one hand the users that I actually have problems with (edit: a certain lol-spammer who won't go away obviously being one of them), and that's fairly remarkable. It's a pretty healthy forum. 
    Gdemami, helping us all get to Legendary status that little bit faster.  ;)
    I saw where he once missed the LOL button and accidentally hit Awesome.  Any coincidence that the reaction counter was broken for awhile today?



    Now everything makes sense. For a split second the space-time almost collapsed.
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  • Tyr216Tyr216 Member UncommonPosts: 166
    It wouldn't be the internet if there wasn't some fresh batch of soul-draining drama popping up.
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  • Gobstopper3DGobstopper3D Member RarePosts: 833

    Sovrath said:


    alloin said:

    It's not what it used to be, all I see are biased posts and sponsored content.... You can lie about it, but it's still there...


    So here's a thought, you are basically making a claim that no one can defend against. if you don't like what they say you can easily say they are selling out AND they are lying no matter what.

    Couldn't we do the same about you? You are from other sites, other developers and you are here to sew discord/disparage the games on this site. You can lie about it but we know it's true.

    there you see?

    It's ridiculous.

    It doesn't foster good discussion and just seems like a dysfunctional way of operating.

    Do they have sponsored content? Yes absolutely. They do mark it as such.

    Some people have had issue as to where that message is located and it seems that is more about growing pains than anything else. Lately you see it in the title.

    Other than that I have no problem accepting that people have different tastes and that not everyone has to see eye to eye on everything. Just because you have your own tastes and disagree with people from the site doesn't mean that these people are being paid to put one over on you.

    Because that's a seems bit paranoid. Unless of course you truly paid to attack columnists and other games. ;)



    Unfortunately that is today's culture where there is no real middle ground. You're either with us or against us. Something in the middle isn't allowed. Extremism is alive and well with the rest of us stuck in the middle watching it all come down.

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  • VinterkrigVinterkrig Member UncommonPosts: 1,790
    The only real reason I come here still is the aggregation of news about games coming out.
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    Aeander said:
    I personally come back for the users I respect. There's quite a few of them, and if you're among my favorites, it's probably obvious to you (cheers, Frenchie). But even some of the users with whom I often disagree (namely Torval and DMKano) have my respect and regard. 

    I can count on one hand the users that I actually have problems with (edit: a certain lol-spammer who won't go away obviously being one of them), and that's fairly remarkable. It's a pretty healthy forum. 
    Cheers, sir!

    And I agree, I come here because I like the folks (even ones I argue with, sometimes moreso because I can argue with them without it becoming more than what it is- heated debate) that post here.

    That also includes the staff here, and I make no apologies for that.  Tim's articles are a hoot, Suzie's sass is impeccable, and Bill has always struck me as a genuinely good guy, just to name a few.

    But, if I'm being honest, the number one reason I continually come here, is because if I didn't, my bestest online frann would miss me...  Isn't that right, @Gdemami?
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 4,315
    Aeander said:
    I personally come back for the users I respect. There's quite a few of them, and if you're among my favorites, it's probably obvious to you (cheers, Frenchie). But even some of the users with whom I often disagree (namely Torval and DMKano) have my respect and regard. 

    I can count on one hand the users that I actually have problems with (edit: a certain lol-spammer who won't go away obviously being one of them), and that's fairly remarkable. It's a pretty healthy forum. 
    Cheers, sir!

    And I agree, I come here because I like the folks (even ones I argue with, sometimes moreso because I can argue with them without it becoming more than what it is- heated debate) that post here.

    That also includes the staff here, and I make no apologies for that.  Tim's articles are a hoot, Suzie's sass is impeccable, and Bill has always struck me as a genuinely good guy, just to name a few.

    But, if I'm being honest, the number one reason I continually come here, is because if I didn't, my bestest online frann would miss me...  Isn't that right, @Gdemami?
    I should say that my good feelings do extend to the staff. Especially Susie, who is always a delight to interact with, and Tim, who I haven't seen much of, but seems to have a real sense of humble integrity to him. And Bill's a great guy, provided that the Anet/Jessica Price debacle is far behind us. 
    MadFrenchieNyctelios
  • LokeroLokero Member RarePosts: 1,426

    alloin said:

    It's not what it used to be, all I see are biased posts and sponsored content.... You can lie about it, but it's still there...



    You do realize that its literally impossible to review something without bias right? Reviews are literally just explanations of your opinions on something and your reason for holding those opinions. Edit: nevermind. I see a couple people seem to believe reviews are supposed to be based on... Cold unfeeling science i guess? This is basically the mentality that anything they agree with is objective but anything they dont like is either biased or shilling.
    I don't think it's "impossible" to review something without bias.  There are plenty of things about a game that can be covered without bias.

    Reporting on bugs or features or performance they encountered during their playtime are quite unbiased, though potentially localized to their own experience/machine.

    Did a game have functional co-op? Did it work without lag/disconnects?
    Were there graphical glitches all over the place?  Were animations funky with characters sliding around? And, so on...

    The one thing that is impossible to cover without bias is "fun".
    When they use "scores" in reviews, it's hard to keep bias completely out, because everyone tends to view those scales differently. 
    I think it's ridiculous when an awful game or movie gets a 7/10 and no one seems to ever go lower.  The scale might as well just be 1-4 or something, if you aren't going to use 60% of the possible outcomes.  But, all reviewers tend to stick to that small region of the ratings scale.

    The catch with unbiased reviews, of course, is that they are likely to be more technical and stiff/boring.

    Maybe the solution is to break all reviews in half.  Cover all the stuff that bias plays no part in, such as how systems work, game issues, etc., and have a separate section that covers their personal reviews/enjoyment/anecdotal stories.
    Personally, I have no trouble picking those things apart, but others seem to go crazy over it.
  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 4,315
    Lokero said:

    alloin said:

    It's not what it used to be, all I see are biased posts and sponsored content.... You can lie about it, but it's still there...



    You do realize that its literally impossible to review something without bias right? Reviews are literally just explanations of your opinions on something and your reason for holding those opinions. Edit: nevermind. I see a couple people seem to believe reviews are supposed to be based on... Cold unfeeling science i guess? This is basically the mentality that anything they agree with is objective but anything they dont like is either biased or shilling.
    I don't think it's "impossible" to review something without bias.  There are plenty of things about a game that can be covered without bias.

    Reporting on bugs or features or performance they encountered during their playtime are quite unbiased, though potentially localized to their own experience/machine.

    Did a game have functional co-op? Did it work without lag/disconnects?
    Were there graphical glitches all over the place?  Were animations funky with characters sliding around? And, so on...

    The one thing that is impossible to cover without bias is "fun".
    When they use "scores" in reviews, it's hard to keep bias completely out, because everyone tends to view those scales differently. 
    I think it's ridiculous when an awful game or movie gets a 7/10 and no one seems to ever go lower.  The scale might as well just be 1-4 or something, if you aren't going to use 60% of the possible outcomes.  But, all reviewers tend to stick to that small region of the ratings scale.

    The catch with unbiased reviews, of course, is that they are likely to be more technical and stiff/boring.

    Maybe the solution is to break all reviews in half.  Cover all the stuff that bias plays no part in, such as how systems work, game issues, etc., and have a separate section that covers their personal reviews/enjoyment/anecdotal stories.
    Personally, I have no trouble picking those things apart, but others seem to go crazy over it.
    I've said this a few times in other threads, but I think the solution is short blurbs or mini-reviews from other MMORPG staff members.

    I'm not suggesting that everyone on staff should play each game, but there are bound to be times when multiple staff members do. Maybe Susie or Tim also played Fallout 76. Maybe their opinion is different, maybe it isn't. If they played it and have an opinion they would like to share, they could just plop it into the bottom, and add more nuance to the review. Maybe that opinion is a counter to the review, or maybe it agrees and simply adds a little more personal experience. Either way, value is had.

    Use this site and its varying perspectives to your advantage, MMORPG. 
    Gdemami
  • angaelsangaels Member UncommonPosts: 21
    This is the only site I go to that talks about games and not how I should feel or think.. it leaves politics, as far as I can see, out..
    Dick1232
  • MisterZebubMisterZebub Member LegendaryPosts: 3,539
    SBFord said:
    Moirae said:
    I realized long ago that MMORPG was bought by the companies. I'm here anyway. It's how you make your money. Although the so called 'giveaways' have become a colossal joke. I'm here to keep up on new released and occasionally take part in the fan conversation. But I post a tiny fraction of what I used to. Most of us are aware that pretty much anyone can be bought.
    Oh please, whisper your suspicions to my wallet because it begs to differ. :D

    I have been here for almost a decade (December 2009!) and I can tell you that we haven't changed one bit editorially, though writers have come and gone, as have users. I'm sure if you were inclined, you could go back 10, 12, 14 years and find the same accusations because people like conspiracy theories. :D 

    In the meantime, we'll just keep doing what we do with our integrity intact.
    The most wonderfully ironic part of these idiotic sell out accusations is this article is the direct result of a game developer feeling this site WASN'T pandering to him when Tim wrote an article critiquing CoE's develop plans, so lost his shit and told MMORPG to collectively go fuck themselves.

    End result? Tim wrote an honest OP-Ed piece and Caspian is apparently too thin skinned to react to criticism like a rational and mature adult.
    Gdemami

    "You can go to land of make believe and you can pretend
    But in the end you still have no friends"

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 20,791
    What led to this article? It sounds like you posted something, got blasted for it in the comments (because that's what happens when you post things on the Internet), and are now all defensive about it.
  • Dick1232Dick1232 Member UncommonPosts: 54
    angaels said:
    This is the only site I go to that talks about games and not how I should feel or think.. it leaves politics, as far as I can see, out..
    That's some funny shit. You can t like anything on here. All whiney give me give me babies here.
  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member EpicPosts: 10,231
    Dick1232 said:
    angaels said:
    This is the only site I go to that talks about games and not how I should feel or think.. it leaves politics, as far as I can see, out..
    That's some funny shit. You can t like anything on here. All whiney give me give me babies here.
    I've been here for a long time, but I've never asked anyone to give me babies here. 
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 20,791
    SBFord said:
    Moirae said:
    I realized long ago that MMORPG was bought by the companies. I'm here anyway. It's how you make your money. Although the so called 'giveaways' have become a colossal joke. I'm here to keep up on new released and occasionally take part in the fan conversation. But I post a tiny fraction of what I used to. Most of us are aware that pretty much anyone can be bought.
    Oh please, whisper your suspicions to my wallet because it begs to differ. :D

    I have been here for almost a decade (December 2009!) and I can tell you that we haven't changed one bit editorially, though writers have come and gone, as have users. I'm sure if you were inclined, you could go back 10, 12, 14 years and find the same accusations because people like conspiracy theories. :D 

    In the meantime, we'll just keep doing what we do with our integrity intact.
    You could make that case for the game coverage.  But 10 years ago, you didn't have today's editorial slant that all hardware is awesome and deserves a glowing review.
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