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delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 6,512
I don't think they are heavy into building the world yet.  Just test zones to work on characters and balance and implement their ideas. 

The synopsis of the game is simply a "blue print" of how they are trying to build a game. 

People seem to think because "a web site" has a lot of information, it's about ready to play !


I stand by Visionary Realms 100% in not promising anything yet. 
People that want in now = NO !.... Stop assuming anything. 

Let them build their game :)


A few heavy backers that were level headed with common sense, rational and loyal were allowed into testing and streaming of the few test zones, and were allowed to have some fun, promote and give some feed back ....  No wrong doing, everything is up front.    
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  • Azaron_NightbladeAzaron_Nightblade Member EpicPosts: 4,825

    People that want in now = NO !.... Stop assuming anything. 


    It's a Kickstarter title, anyone who wants it NOW doesn't know what they bought into.
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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 17,831
    Should be separate teams,some building maps,some assets/art work,some coding the systems,on and on.
    Really a game needs a lot of thought before starting he development so that they are not just winging around ideas,wasting time and money like Robert's over there at his studios,just winging it.

    The long history behind Brad pretty much tells me o expect same old with maybe a couple new ideas or twists.I look at the entire industry ALL of the genres and they are all over crowded,all of them.

    We have so many games filling each void we really have no need for anymore for another 30 years or more unless a developer can bring something new and creative to the table.
    30 years ago i figured a MUCH faster moving industry ,every 5-10 years huge improvements.Well the only thing i have witnessed over 30 years is better graphics but in many cases LESS gaming or poorly implemented game ideas.

    My guess,don't go expecting much here,imo will be another mmorpg and not much more,just a new skin.I have a lot of ideas and i mean a lot having played so many different genres and seen so many half assed ideas it is really sad to see thousands of games with hardly but a handful of ideas from all of them.We are in the era of automatic assembly line game design,a real dull era.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,337
    delete5230 said:8

    People that want in now = NO !.... Stop assuming anything. 


    It's a Kickstarter title, anyone who wants it NOW doesn't know what they bought into.
    Broken promises, never ending build cycles, no published release schedules, and endless appeals for more funding to complete the vision?

    :D


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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,334

    People seem to think because "a web site" has a lot of information, it's about ready to play !    
    No one has said that. No one that I know thinks that. But it has been pointed out more than once that there is published information about VR's design intentions, which some people find preferable to read and consider rather than just making stuff up (or spreading misinformation). 
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  • WellspringWellspring Member EpicPosts: 1,329
    "What's my guess" about what? I didn't see a single question in the OP.
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  • parrotpholkparrotpholk Member EpicPosts: 4,608
    My guess is the nostalgia phase going on right now might fade by the time it is released.  The graphics and animations already look dated.  I will play the game as I am interested in it but they need to post some kind of milestone roadmap sooner than later before it fades from peoples minds.  Even with the hiring I would still think we are looking at beta in late 2020 / early 2021 by the speed at which they seem to be moving.
  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 3,894
    In a more non sequitur moment, I'd guess 'purple'.

    With that in mind, I'd probably go with 'pot roast' instead.  I'm hungry.



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  • boris20boris20 Member UncommonPosts: 391
    I love the ideas this game has on the table and what is implemented so far. Its in production. Let it bake. 
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  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 4,212

    People that want in now = NO !.... Stop assuming anything. 


    It's a Kickstarter title, anyone who wants it NOW doesn't know what they bought into.
    It's a FAILED Kickestarter, which means it's not even a Kickstarter Title. It's just open crowed funded.
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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,334
    "What's my guess" about what? I didn't see a single question in the OP.
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 28,601

    People that want in now = NO !.... Stop assuming anything. 


    It's a Kickstarter title, anyone who wants it NOW doesn't know what they bought into.
    It's not even that. Their attempt at a kickstarter campaign failed and they had to raise the pledges by other means. I wish them well but people who bought in had better be realistic in their expectations. 
    To be fair (though listed under "they get what they deserved" category) their Kickstarter sucked. It's like they just thought they'd pitch something and watch the money roll in.

    As an example, I watched their kickstarter and even though it was pitched as a game I could be interested in playing, I didn't give them a dime.

    Yadda, yadda, yadda, time goes, they start showing game footage, it starts taking shape and THEN I pledged some money.

    For me, any company has to show a significant bit of footage before I'll consider giving them some cash. With the idea that the money I've given is now gone. I don't expect the game to launch, I don't expect that schedules are iron clad guaranteed, I just give the money and then see what happens.
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  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 3,894
    For the record, it's amazing what kind of results you can get by googling 'pot roast near me'.  Your mileage may vary, but you might be amazed.  'Amazing' is always worth it.



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  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 6,512
    Mendel said:
    For the record, it's amazing what kind of results you can get by googling 'pot roast near me'.  Your mileage may vary, but you might be amazed.  'Amazing' is always worth it.



    It just so happens I've been eating beef all week, the thought of pot roast is making me sick right now..... can we please talk about fish or sea food or something else ?

    Please  :|
  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 3,894
    Since the OP asked nicely, no more beef talk.

    To the original topic (an actual question is hard to pinpoint in that initial post), one of the problems with announcing a new product is answering the inevitable question of 'when?'.  Since so many of these games are now known to the customers as the game is just beginning development, there is much more anticipation about seeing the final product.  Gone are the days when the first you learned about a game was when you got a demo disk in your PC Gamer or saw the box on the shelf.  Everything from funding, development, artwork and publishing were hidden from the customer until the last minute.  Now, all that is up front and fills the internet will details.

    Both sides are still adapting to this new situation.  Developers haven't learned to answer that 'When?' question in ways that are satisfying and graceful.  Customers haven't managed to choke back that 'impulse buying' reflex.  Together, these forces serve to keep sites like MMORPG.com around.

    The old way kept the customer ignorant and uninvolved until delivery.  These days, the customer is being dragged into the cycle at an early stage, and their first reaction is to open the wallet, ready to buy.  Companies are busy leveraging this instinct.  Customers know more, earlier.  Its a seemingly idyllic situation.



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  • AethaerynAethaeryn Member RarePosts: 3,102
    I don't think they are heavy into building the world yet.  Just test zones to work on characters and balance and implement their ideas. 

    The synopsis of the game is simply a "blue print" of how they are trying to build a game. 

    People seem to think because "a web site" has a lot of information, it's about ready to play !


    I stand by Visionary Realms 100% in not promising anything yet. 
    People that want in now = NO !.... Stop assuming anything. 

    Let them build their game :)


    A few heavy backers that were level headed with common sense, rational and loyal were allowed into testing and streaming of the few test zones, and were allowed to have some fun, promote and give some feed back ....  No wrong doing, everything is up front.    
    I am not sure I agree with them being upfront and "no wrong doing".

    In my view you stated that:

    - only "heavy backers" =  people with a personal and financial interest in promoting the games success

     - "level headed with common sense" = didn't complain about the game at all / ever

    I think that where allowed to have fun and promote the game is accurate.  I think the suggestion that it is all upfront is a little off but it depends on how you meant it.
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  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 3,025
    "What's my guess" about what? I didn't see a single question in the OP.
    This site is his Diary.
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  • craftseekercraftseeker Member RarePosts: 1,740
    edited January 2019
    Mendel said:
    For the record, it's amazing what kind of results you can get by googling 'pot roast near me'.  Your mileage may vary, but you might be amazed.  'Amazing' is always worth it.

    Yep it is amazing I got:
    http://t3.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcS3yTW9iDMW1v4C72nYyB4DysRMksatJUNHqsuKV9E2QmPD59I&usqp=CAY

    Yes it is a beef flavored pot noodle (ramen).  "Pot Roast" isn't really something talked about outside of the U.S.
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  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 3,025
    Mendel said:
    For the record, it's amazing what kind of results you can get by googling 'pot roast near me'.  Your mileage may vary, but you might be amazed.  'Amazing' is always worth it.

    Yep it is amazing I got:
    http://t3.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcS3yTW9iDMW1v4C72nYyB4DysRMksatJUNHqsuKV9E2QmPD59I&usqp=CAY

    Yes it is a beef flavored pot noodle (ramen).  "Pot Roast" isn't really something talked about outside of the U.S.
    How about "Kangaroo roast"? :wink:
  • craftseekercraftseeker Member RarePosts: 1,740
    Mendel said:
    For the record, it's amazing what kind of results you can get by googling 'pot roast near me'.  Your mileage may vary, but you might be amazed.  'Amazing' is always worth it.

    Yep it is amazing I got:
    http://t3.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcS3yTW9iDMW1v4C72nYyB4DysRMksatJUNHqsuKV9E2QmPD59I&usqp=CAY

    Yes it is a beef flavored pot noodle (ramen).  "Pot Roast" isn't really something talked about outside of the U.S.
    How about "Kangaroo roast"? :wink:
    You don't roast kangaroo, but if you buy bolar blade you can cook it American pot roast style. But really a casserole or a normal roast is much tastier.
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  • ArteriusArterius Member EpicPosts: 2,832
    Mendel said:
    For the record, it's amazing what kind of results you can get by googling 'pot roast near me'.  Your mileage may vary, but you might be amazed.  'Amazing' is always worth it.

    Yep it is amazing I got:
    http://t3.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcS3yTW9iDMW1v4C72nYyB4DysRMksatJUNHqsuKV9E2QmPD59I&usqp=CAY

    Yes it is a beef flavored pot noodle (ramen).  "Pot Roast" isn't really something talked about outside of the U.S.
    How about "Kangaroo roast"? :wink:
    You don't roast kangaroo, but if you buy bolar blade you can cook it American pot roast style. But really a casserole or a normal roast is much tastier.
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  • craftseekercraftseeker Member RarePosts: 1,740
    Arterius said:
    Mendel said:
    For the record, it's amazing what kind of results you can get by googling 'pot roast near me'.  Your mileage may vary, but you might be amazed.  'Amazing' is always worth it.

    Yep it is amazing I got:
    http://t3.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcS3yTW9iDMW1v4C72nYyB4DysRMksatJUNHqsuKV9E2QmPD59I&usqp=CAY

    Yes it is a beef flavored pot noodle (ramen).  "Pot Roast" isn't really something talked about outside of the U.S.
    How about "Kangaroo roast"? :wink:
    You don't roast kangaroo, but if you buy bolar blade you can cook it American pot roast style. But really a casserole or a normal roast is much tastier.
    wait are you being honest? I can't tell
    Quite serious. Love a nice bit of roast beef, or a good casserole. Kangaroo steak is great too, also burgers, or sausages. Emu is OK as a sausage or pate. Crocodile works well in a pie. Then, of course, there is a nice creamy bowl of witchity grub soup.
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  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 6,512
    Stay away from Rump Roast.... Leftovers in the refrigerator tend to fart in your face when you open it.

    That's an old joke I can't seem to forget   :#
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  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 6,512
    edited January 2019
    Amathe said:

    People seem to think because "a web site" has a lot of information, it's about ready to play !    
    No one has said that. No one that I know thinks that. But it has been pointed out more than once that there is published information about VR's design intentions, which some people find preferable to read and consider rather than just making stuff up (or spreading misinformation). 
    Remember you studied their entire web site, and thought you would take it upon your self to be the Pantheion expert here  ;) 

    You wanted to be the "go to guy".
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  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 3,894
    Mendel said:
    For the record, it's amazing what kind of results you can get by googling 'pot roast near me'.  Your mileage may vary, but you might be amazed.  'Amazing' is always worth it.

    Yep it is amazing I got:
    http://t3.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcS3yTW9iDMW1v4C72nYyB4DysRMksatJUNHqsuKV9E2QmPD59I&usqp=CAY

    Yes it is a beef flavored pot noodle (ramen).  "Pot Roast" isn't really something talked about outside of the U.S.
    My amazing produced a small local company that sells 9 varieties of Pot Pies.  I even went out and purchased a few varieties for the weekend.  So far, a very nice find.  I had expected an onslaught of family/country restaurants.  Instead I got http://www.paulspotpies.com/.  Some free advertising for them.

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  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 6,512
    Mendel said:
    Mendel said:
    For the record, it's amazing what kind of results you can get by googling 'pot roast near me'.  Your mileage may vary, but you might be amazed.  'Amazing' is always worth it.

    Yep it is amazing I got:
    http://t3.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcS3yTW9iDMW1v4C72nYyB4DysRMksatJUNHqsuKV9E2QmPD59I&usqp=CAY

    Yes it is a beef flavored pot noodle (ramen).  "Pot Roast" isn't really something talked about outside of the U.S.
    My amazing produced a small local company that sells 9 varieties of Pot Pies.  I even went out and purchased a few varieties for the weekend.  So far, a very nice find.  I had expected an onslaught of family/country restaurants.  Instead I got http://www.paulspotpies.com/.  Some free advertising for them.

    Now were into pot pies,
    I don't like them, its like only eating disregarded crust from a pizza.  I always leave the crust, the sauce and cheese should be all the way to the edge. Thats what eating pot pies are like.
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