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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,447
    TimEisen said:
    Gdemami said:

    Covered in my KS rewards post already.

    Sometimes, google university is not enough...
    I appreciate your dedication. It's an art and you've shown your skill in this thread. 9/10. Elite level stuff without a single break of character. You did however fail to respond to one post that I now challenge you with. I'll quote it below. You want to hit max level and this thing stands as your final boss fight. 

    'Slapshot1188 said:
    Kyleran said:
    Gdemami said:
    ConstantineMerus said:
    To be honest mate, I find it strange that you of all people would support this, even if you are a major shareholder in SBS. 
    That is the point, me, nor anyone else here is a major shareholder, yet people act like they are...

    Whether his decision was rational or not, is just his business, yet you seem to have an issue with that because you keep bringing it up over and over.

    You cannot say you acknowledge his right to do as he wish and then keep pondering how immature his decision was.
    I'll agree being a kick starter backer does not grant any sort of legal rights on how the project should be run nor even to provide any information on its progress. 

    There is such a thing as keeping ones word, granted an archaic concept in this day and age but I believe Caspian did promise transparency,  along with delivering a game by Dec 2017.

    Finally,  while KSers provide backers few legal rights, it also does not grant the developer any sort of "right" to be shielded from valid criticism either.

    While Capt LOL will undoubtedly hit you up, it's easy to simply go and get what was posted and PROMISED at the Kickstarter and compare. 

    Heres where the whole Dec 2017 for FULL RELEASE came from.  No this wasn't a promise but a target, but for Caspien to now try and make it sound like people are crazy for expecting the game to be released is just laughable:



    Here's where he PROMISES (no weaseling) to publish and update the schedule on the CoE website. Something that was last done July 2017 as far as I can tell.

    Here is where he explains that his wild ambitions will be made possible through SpatialOS (which he cancelled):


    That's just a small slice.  I could go on and on and on.  We didn't even GET to Gannt Charts, not mentioning that he needed millions more in funding on the main Kickstarter page, shutting down Refunds at the same time he announced they needed that funding, ElyriaMud(canceled), VoxElyria(canceled), single player Prelude (years late), players not having to fund anything after the Kickstarter,  lootbox RNG soulpacks, Lootbox RNG sales events... it goes on and on and on.

    Then, when an article actually mentions the fact that he's late and hasn't delivered on what he said he would (and does so in a pretty mild manner), he throws a tantrum and says he is, in essence, going to cut off MMORPG.COM and Massively from "exclusive" info and then proceeds to cry that he had to take a few minutes on a Sunday to respond to the thread on his website.  

    Sorry... that's absolutely childish and about as far from a "startup" mentality as you can get.  When you took literally MILLIONS of dollars from the public and are literally YEARS behind, you should get your ass into work every damn day, not whine like a Baby that you had to login for 10 minutes on a Sunday to type a response.

    As I said earlier.  If a company making an MMORPG that relies on crowdfunding avoids the 2 biggest MMORPG news sites it should set off every spidey-sense you have.



    Personally, I don't think we need to hear from GDemani.  Caspien on the other hand...
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  • TimEisenTimEisen ColumnistMember EpicPosts: 3,285
    TimEisen said:
    Gdemami said:

    Covered in my KS rewards post already.

    Sometimes, google university is not enough...
    I appreciate your dedication. It's an art and you've shown your skill in this thread. 9/10. Elite level stuff without a single break of character. You did however fail to respond to one post that I now challenge you with. I'll quote it below. You want to hit max level and this thing stands as your final boss fight. 

    'Slapshot1188 said:
    Kyleran said:
    Gdemami said:
    ConstantineMerus said:
    To be honest mate, I find it strange that you of all people would support this, even if you are a major shareholder in SBS. 
    That is the point, me, nor anyone else here is a major shareholder, yet people act like they are...

    Whether his decision was rational or not, is just his business, yet you seem to have an issue with that because you keep bringing it up over and over.

    You cannot say you acknowledge his right to do as he wish and then keep pondering how immature his decision was.
    I'll agree being a kick starter backer does not grant any sort of legal rights on how the project should be run nor even to provide any information on its progress. 

    There is such a thing as keeping ones word, granted an archaic concept in this day and age but I believe Caspian did promise transparency,  along with delivering a game by Dec 2017.

    Finally,  while KSers provide backers few legal rights, it also does not grant the developer any sort of "right" to be shielded from valid criticism either.

    While Capt LOL will undoubtedly hit you up, it's easy to simply go and get what was posted and PROMISED at the Kickstarter and compare. 

    Heres where the whole Dec 2017 for FULL RELEASE came from.  No this wasn't a promise but a target, but for Caspien to now try and make it sound like people are crazy for expecting the game to be released is just laughable:



    Here's where he PROMISES (no weaseling) to publish and update the schedule on the CoE website. Something that was last done July 2017 as far as I can tell.

    Here is where he explains that his wild ambitions will be made possible through SpatialOS (which he cancelled):


    That's just a small slice.  I could go on and on and on.  We didn't even GET to Gannt Charts, not mentioning that he needed millions more in funding on the main Kickstarter page, shutting down Refunds at the same time he announced they needed that funding, ElyriaMud(canceled), VoxElyria(canceled), single player Prelude (years late), players not having to fund anything after the Kickstarter,  lootbox RNG soulpacks, Lootbox RNG sales events... it goes on and on and on.

    Then, when an article actually mentions the fact that he's late and hasn't delivered on what he said he would (and does so in a pretty mild manner), he throws a tantrum and says he is, in essence, going to cut off MMORPG.COM and Massively from "exclusive" info and then proceeds to cry that he had to take a few minutes on a Sunday to respond to the thread on his website.  

    Sorry... that's absolutely childish and about as far from a "startup" mentality as you can get.  When you took literally MILLIONS of dollars from the public and are literally YEARS behind, you should get your ass into work every damn day, not whine like a Baby that you had to login for 10 minutes on a Sunday to type a response.

    As I said earlier.  If a company making an MMORPG that relies on crowdfunding avoids the 2 biggest MMORPG news sites it should set off every spidey-sense you have.



    Personally, I don't think we need to hear from GDemani.  Caspien on the other hand...
    Have you considered if a harbinger is in fact an elite level investigative journalist?
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  • HashbrickHashbrick Member RarePosts: 1,645
    Tiller said:
    I remember a time when SOE did something similar over 'angry vets' on the SWG forum here. It forced MMORPG.com to start deleting threads, then when people started leaving the site over it they tried to make them happy by creating a separate forum for disgruntled players to post their grievances. All this in an effort to keep them out of the general forum. That "Veteran Refuge' forum blew up, leaving the general forum empty for sometime. Fast forward to today, the game no longer exists.

    This isn't the same thing, but attacking game sites and their users is never a good idea.
    Good times.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,447
    TimEisen said:
    TimEisen said:
    Gdemami said:

    Covered in my KS rewards post already.

    Sometimes, google university is not enough...
    I appreciate your dedication. It's an art and you've shown your skill in this thread. 9/10. Elite level stuff without a single break of character. You did however fail to respond to one post that I now challenge you with. I'll quote it below. You want to hit max level and this thing stands as your final boss fight. 

    'Slapshot1188 said:
    Kyleran said:
    Gdemami said:
    ConstantineMerus said:
    To be honest mate, I find it strange that you of all people would support this, even if you are a major shareholder in SBS. 
    That is the point, me, nor anyone else here is a major shareholder, yet people act like they are...

    Whether his decision was rational or not, is just his business, yet you seem to have an issue with that because you keep bringing it up over and over.

    You cannot say you acknowledge his right to do as he wish and then keep pondering how immature his decision was.
    I'll agree being a kick starter backer does not grant any sort of legal rights on how the project should be run nor even to provide any information on its progress. 

    There is such a thing as keeping ones word, granted an archaic concept in this day and age but I believe Caspian did promise transparency,  along with delivering a game by Dec 2017.

    Finally,  while KSers provide backers few legal rights, it also does not grant the developer any sort of "right" to be shielded from valid criticism either.

    While Capt LOL will undoubtedly hit you up, it's easy to simply go and get what was posted and PROMISED at the Kickstarter and compare. 

    Heres where the whole Dec 2017 for FULL RELEASE came from.  No this wasn't a promise but a target, but for Caspien to now try and make it sound like people are crazy for expecting the game to be released is just laughable:



    Here's where he PROMISES (no weaseling) to publish and update the schedule on the CoE website. Something that was last done July 2017 as far as I can tell.

    Here is where he explains that his wild ambitions will be made possible through SpatialOS (which he cancelled):


    That's just a small slice.  I could go on and on and on.  We didn't even GET to Gannt Charts, not mentioning that he needed millions more in funding on the main Kickstarter page, shutting down Refunds at the same time he announced they needed that funding, ElyriaMud(canceled), VoxElyria(canceled), single player Prelude (years late), players not having to fund anything after the Kickstarter,  lootbox RNG soulpacks, Lootbox RNG sales events... it goes on and on and on.

    Then, when an article actually mentions the fact that he's late and hasn't delivered on what he said he would (and does so in a pretty mild manner), he throws a tantrum and says he is, in essence, going to cut off MMORPG.COM and Massively from "exclusive" info and then proceeds to cry that he had to take a few minutes on a Sunday to respond to the thread on his website.  

    Sorry... that's absolutely childish and about as far from a "startup" mentality as you can get.  When you took literally MILLIONS of dollars from the public and are literally YEARS behind, you should get your ass into work every damn day, not whine like a Baby that you had to login for 10 minutes on a Sunday to type a response.

    As I said earlier.  If a company making an MMORPG that relies on crowdfunding avoids the 2 biggest MMORPG news sites it should set off every spidey-sense you have.



    Personally, I don't think we need to hear from GDemani.  Caspien on the other hand...
    Have you considered if a harbinger is in fact an elite level investigative journalist?
    Not at all.  Those 3 screenshots are literally right on the Kickstarter page.  It's not exactly Watergate level stuff.

    If I had time I would just go through his various updates, list the statements he made and then list reality.

    The best conversation is actually Caspien vs Caspien.

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    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 2,877
    I've been avoiding this thread since I discovered it Sunday afternoon.  (I had real world stuff to do.  Inconvenient, but necessary).  The only surprise I've seen is that @Gdemami actually posted some opinions in an attempt to interact with the community.  Congratulations on that, GD.  At least, this thread has been interesting, so far.



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  • ScotScot Member EpicPosts: 10,636
    Mendel said:
    I've been avoiding this thread since I discovered it Sunday afternoon.  (I had real world stuff to do.  Inconvenient, but necessary).  The only surprise I've seen is that @Gdemami actually posted some opinions in an attempt to interact with the community.  Congratulations on that, GD.  At least, this thread has been interesting, so far.
    Even the LoL Tooth Fairy who takes posts and awards you a lol, sometimes feels the need to speak. :)

    And talking of which quite happy to hear from him and anyone else on here regardless of how much I disagree with what he has had to say.

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  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,816
    It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Jeromy Walsh's final tantrum will consist of shutting down the project completely, citing "the betrayal and hostility of the public and erstwhile supporters, which have made further work on the project untenable" !

    That will happen roughly around the time that funding no longer covers his living expenses...
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 32,236
    TimEisen said:
    TimEisen said:
    Gdemami said:

    Covered in my KS rewards post already.

    Sometimes, google university is not enough...
    I appreciate your dedication. It's an art and you've shown your skill in this thread. 9/10. Elite level stuff without a single break of character. You did however fail to respond to one post that I now challenge you with. I'll quote it below. You want to hit max level and this thing stands as your final boss fight. 

    'Slapshot1188 said:
    Kyleran said:
    Gdemami said:
    ConstantineMerus said:
    To be honest mate, I find it strange that you of all people would support this, even if you are a major shareholder in SBS. 
    That is the point, me, nor anyone else here is a major shareholder, yet people act like they are...

    Whether his decision was rational or not, is just his business, yet you seem to have an issue with that because you keep bringing it up over and over.

    You cannot say you acknowledge his right to do as he wish and then keep pondering how immature his decision was.
    I'll agree being a kick starter backer does not grant any sort of legal rights on how the project should be run nor even to provide any information on its progress. 

    There is such a thing as keeping ones word, granted an archaic concept in this day and age but I believe Caspian did promise transparency,  along with delivering a game by Dec 2017.

    Finally,  while KSers provide backers few legal rights, it also does not grant the developer any sort of "right" to be shielded from valid criticism either.

    While Capt LOL will undoubtedly hit you up, it's easy to simply go and get what was posted and PROMISED at the Kickstarter and compare. 

    Heres where the whole Dec 2017 for FULL RELEASE came from.  No this wasn't a promise but a target, but for Caspien to now try and make it sound like people are crazy for expecting the game to be released is just laughable:



    Here's where he PROMISES (no weaseling) to publish and update the schedule on the CoE website. Something that was last done July 2017 as far as I can tell.

    Here is where he explains that his wild ambitions will be made possible through SpatialOS (which he cancelled):


    That's just a small slice.  I could go on and on and on.  We didn't even GET to Gannt Charts, not mentioning that he needed millions more in funding on the main Kickstarter page, shutting down Refunds at the same time he announced they needed that funding, ElyriaMud(canceled), VoxElyria(canceled), single player Prelude (years late), players not having to fund anything after the Kickstarter,  lootbox RNG soulpacks, Lootbox RNG sales events... it goes on and on and on.

    Then, when an article actually mentions the fact that he's late and hasn't delivered on what he said he would (and does so in a pretty mild manner), he throws a tantrum and says he is, in essence, going to cut off MMORPG.COM and Massively from "exclusive" info and then proceeds to cry that he had to take a few minutes on a Sunday to respond to the thread on his website.  

    Sorry... that's absolutely childish and about as far from a "startup" mentality as you can get.  When you took literally MILLIONS of dollars from the public and are literally YEARS behind, you should get your ass into work every damn day, not whine like a Baby that you had to login for 10 minutes on a Sunday to type a response.

    As I said earlier.  If a company making an MMORPG that relies on crowdfunding avoids the 2 biggest MMORPG news sites it should set off every spidey-sense you have.



    Personally, I don't think we need to hear from GDemani.  Caspien on the other hand...
    Have you considered if a harbinger is in fact an elite level investigative journalist?
    Or just a run of the mill forum troll depending on who you are asking.

    ;)

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  • laseritlaserit Member EpicPosts: 6,031
    It seems that there isn't much if any progress to display, so integrity is the only measuring stick we have in this case.

    People who have put money into this project whether they be an investor or crowd funding supporter have every right to ask the hard questions.

    Beware of someone who is unwilling or unable to answer.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 32,236
    Stay on target folks. Don't let this thread turn into a discussion of GDemanis strange beliefs.  He stated them.  We all disagree.  Great.

    Back to Caspien's reaction! 

    Does anyone think this ends up with an olive branch softball email based "interview" without any chance for follow-up questions?  I'd hate to see that.  I would LOVE to see a live interview.

    I don't feel Caspian really has anything to gain by speaking out or responding further to issues concerning the delays, in fact going dark on the subject is probably the better move.  (For him, not the backers)

    You don't see Brad, Mark, or Chris directly responding to missed promises anymore, so why should Jeremy either? (Again, for him, not the backers)

    All four games are now in the "deliver" or shut up phase IMO as I don't  care how busy they are, just show me the final results.  YMMV.


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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,447
    edited January 21
    Kyleran said:
    Stay on target folks. Don't let this thread turn into a discussion of GDemanis strange beliefs.  He stated them.  We all disagree.  Great.

    Back to Caspien's reaction! 

    Does anyone think this ends up with an olive branch softball email based "interview" without any chance for follow-up questions?  I'd hate to see that.  I would LOVE to see a live interview.

    I don't feel Caspian really has anything to gain by speaking out or responding further to issues concerning the delays, in fact going dark on the subject is probably the better move.  (For him, not the backers)

    You don't see Brad, Mark, or Chris directly responding to missed promises anymore, so why should Jeremy either? (Again, for him, not the backers)

    All four games are now in the "deliver" or shut up phase IMO as I don't  care how busy they are, just show me the final results.  YMMV.


    I think he would like to "go dark" about the delays.  I think he continually tries to ignore what was said in the past which is why each State of Elyria is almost like GroundHog Day, ignoring what was said previously and just dangling new carrots.

    Unfortunately for him, each time he tries to start his spiel over there are a few folks that stand up and play back his prior statements.

    Sorry, but when selling your product you literally use the words: "Soulbound Studios promises to" and then follow it with "Publish and update our schedule on the CoE website"...  you are obligated to actually do that.  You can try to weasel out of other statements by claiming they were estimates blah blah blah, but there is no weaseling out of something you clearly and literally PROMISED and is 100% within your power to do.  Maybe you can't control hitting the schedule but you absolutely can control publishing and updating it.

    And no, putting it behind the NDA paywall forums in order to hide from criticism does not count.

    And if your response to a relatively mild article that describes the author's disappointment with the lack of updates and progress is to cut off the website and say you are going to funnel your exclusive news to PCGAMER (who as far as I can tell has run 1 CoE article in total since inception) then that should tell any prospective backer all they need to know.

    PS:  I don't really follow Pantheon. I tried backing them in the failed Kickstarter but was not about to give them the minimum of (I think) $100 they wanted on their website.  As for Mark...  backers have been able to get into his game and see for themselves.  They can also get their money back.  And yes, he gets beaten up for being late as those earlier facts mitigate the delay factor but do not excuse it.   And Chris...  I have no friggin idea.  200 mil and counting.  It's the one-off "World of Warcraft" of Kickstarted MMOs that everyone will try to copy but never equal. 
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  • WellspringWellspring Member EpicPosts: 1,200
    Kyleran said:
    Stay on target folks. Don't let this thread turn into a discussion of GDemanis strange beliefs.  He stated them.  We all disagree.  Great.

    Back to Caspien's reaction! 

    Does anyone think this ends up with an olive branch softball email based "interview" without any chance for follow-up questions?  I'd hate to see that.  I would LOVE to see a live interview.

    I don't feel Caspian really has anything to gain by speaking out or responding further to issues concerning the delays, in fact going dark on the subject is probably the better move.  (For him, not the backers)

    You don't see Brad, Mark, or Chris directly responding to missed promises anymore, so why should Jeremy either? (Again, for him, not the backers)

    All four games are now in the "deliver" or shut up phase IMO as I don't  care how busy they are, just show me the final results.  YMMV.


    Hey, now! Don't be lumping Pantheon in the same category as CoE. :wink:

    Brad never made any arrogant promises about releasing his game in 1.5 years. After the KS failed, AFAIK it's always been it'll be ready when it's done. And that just barely scratches the surface on how different these two projects have been managed.
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  • parrotpholkparrotpholk Member EpicPosts: 4,439
    Kyleran said:
    Stay on target folks. Don't let this thread turn into a discussion of GDemanis strange beliefs.  He stated them.  We all disagree.  Great.

    Back to Caspien's reaction! 

    Does anyone think this ends up with an olive branch softball email based "interview" without any chance for follow-up questions?  I'd hate to see that.  I would LOVE to see a live interview.

    I don't feel Caspian really has anything to gain by speaking out or responding further to issues concerning the delays, in fact going dark on the subject is probably the better move.  (For him, not the backers)

    You don't see Brad, Mark, or Chris directly responding to missed promises anymore, so why should Jeremy either? (Again, for him, not the backers)

    All four games are now in the "deliver" or shut up phase IMO as I don't  care how busy they are, just show me the final results.  YMMV.


    Hey, now! Don't be lumping Pantheon in the same category as CoE. :wink:

    Brad never made any arrogant promises about releasing his game in 1.5 years. After the KS failed, AFAIK it's always been it'll be ready when it's done. And that just barely scratches the surface on how different these two projects have been managed.
    That is only because Brad learned the hardway that maybe less is more in the communication department with the disaster that was the VG launch
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  • LackingMMOLackingMMO Member RarePosts: 385
    The thing that I see is you have a niche genre in mmos, niche in age and death, niche in pvp. You are filtering down a population more and more. He is now cutting a shrinking player base more and more. Its not a bad development move, this is a bad business move. Hopefully he reconsiders his move, like capt lol said, he doesn't owe us anything but we also don't owe him anything. If customers and potential customers are fading you need to do something to increase, he is literally killing his company as time goes on. 
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  • tweedledumb99tweedledumb99 Member UncommonPosts: 209
    The thing that I see is you have a niche genre in mmos, niche in age and death, niche in pvp. You are filtering down a population more and more. He is now cutting a shrinking player base more and more. Its not a bad development move, this is a bad business move. Hopefully he reconsiders his move, like capt lol said, he doesn't owe us anything but we also don't owe him anything. If customers and potential customers are fading you need to do something to increase, he is literally killing his company as time goes on. 
    Ive Iaid  this before for CU and it applies here too.

    As long as they can put out something fun that sells well in their niche before they run out of money, they'll be fine.

    Has anyone seen their IT or alpha builds and run around in them?
  • Azaron_NightbladeAzaron_Nightblade Member EpicPosts: 4,589
    Whoa, okay.
    And that after the many positive articles this site has posted about his game in the past.
    Even the "negative" ones haven't been THAT bad.
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  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,696
    Whoa, okay.
    And that after the many positive articles this site has posted about his game in the past.
    Even the "negative" ones haven't been THAT bad.
    Yeah but..
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  • LokeroLokero Member RarePosts: 1,391
    Kyleran said:
    Stay on target folks. Don't let this thread turn into a discussion of GDemanis strange beliefs.  He stated them.  We all disagree.  Great.

    Back to Caspien's reaction! 

    Does anyone think this ends up with an olive branch softball email based "interview" without any chance for follow-up questions?  I'd hate to see that.  I would LOVE to see a live interview.

    I don't feel Caspian really has anything to gain by speaking out or responding further to issues concerning the delays, in fact going dark on the subject is probably the better move.  (For him, not the backers)

    You don't see Brad, Mark, or Chris directly responding to missed promises anymore, so why should Jeremy either? (Again, for him, not the backers)

    All four games are now in the "deliver" or shut up phase IMO as I don't  care how busy they are, just show me the final results.  YMMV.


    Hey, now! Don't be lumping Pantheon in the same category as CoE. :wink:

    Brad never made any arrogant promises about releasing his game in 1.5 years. After the KS failed, AFAIK it's always been it'll be ready when it's done. And that just barely scratches the surface on how different these two projects have been managed.
    Pfft, of all the people to defend, you pick Brad... the guy who took the money for himself and let his employees go unpaid.

    I'm no Caspian fan, but so far, he's only taken money that people handed him, rather than screwing others over to get it.

    But you choose that one to defend *gag*. Brad is the only one on that list who has a historic knack for screwing over his teams/projects.
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  • LackingMMOLackingMMO Member RarePosts: 385
    Lokero said:
    Kyleran said:
    Stay on target folks. Don't let this thread turn into a discussion of GDemanis strange beliefs.  He stated them.  We all disagree.  Great.

    Back to Caspien's reaction! 

    Does anyone think this ends up with an olive branch softball email based "interview" without any chance for follow-up questions?  I'd hate to see that.  I would LOVE to see a live interview.

    I don't feel Caspian really has anything to gain by speaking out or responding further to issues concerning the delays, in fact going dark on the subject is probably the better move.  (For him, not the backers)

    You don't see Brad, Mark, or Chris directly responding to missed promises anymore, so why should Jeremy either? (Again, for him, not the backers)

    All four games are now in the "deliver" or shut up phase IMO as I don't  care how busy they are, just show me the final results.  YMMV.


    Hey, now! Don't be lumping Pantheon in the same category as CoE. :wink:

    Brad never made any arrogant promises about releasing his game in 1.5 years. After the KS failed, AFAIK it's always been it'll be ready when it's done. And that just barely scratches the surface on how different these two projects have been managed.
    Pfft, of all the people to defend, you pick Brad... the guy who took the money for himself and let his employees go unpaid.

    I'm no Caspian fan, but so far, he's only taken money that people handed him, rather than screwing others over to get it.

    But you choose that one to defend *gag*. Brad is the only one on that list who has a historic knack for screwing over his teams/projects.
    Hey! He can at least get something working!!! lol
    craftseeker
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,447
    edited January 22
    48 hours from now we should have the much anticipated 0.5 update!
    Lets see if he has taken any of this to heart and actually delivers what he promised: An updated schedule.


    Not just a : Here is the general order of things we are going to work on...

    But an actual schedule with estimated dates and all.  That's what a schedule is.  And heck, you may miss those new dates (I know shocking idea) but be up front and publish a monthly update.  

    Giving updates only behind an NDA pay wall has proven to be detrimental as well as breaking that promise from Kickstarter.   Let's get back on track.
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  • AmatheAmathe Member EpicPosts: 4,677
    How can something that is "indirectly" requested also be "clear."  Things that make you go "hmmmmmmmm." 
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  • AmatheAmathe Member EpicPosts: 4,677
    edited January 22
    Also, did Caspian choose his forum icon or did he lose a bet?
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  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 2,877
    Amathe said:
    How can something that is "indirectly" requested also be "clear."  Things that make you go "hmmmmmmmm." 
    Obfuscation++.



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  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 2,877
    48 hours from now we should have the much anticipated 0.5 update!
    Lets see if he has taken any of this to heart and actually delivers what he promised: An updated schedule.


    Not just a : Here is the general order of things we are going to work on...

    But an actual schedule with estimated dates and all.  That's what a schedule is.  And heck, you may miss those new dates (I know shocking idea) but be up front and publish a monthly update.  

    Giving updates only behind an NDA pay wall has proven to be detrimental as well as breaking that promise from Kickstarter.   Let's get back on track.
    This is a chance, perhaps his last chance, to make amends with the community.  First, there were only the outliers that questioned his vision.  That seems to have spread to the outer recesses of the Ivory Tower.  Caspien needs some major public relations work.

    If SBS is going to make a game, make a game.  Act like professionals and stop with these rather childish games of accusation.  Assigning blame never helps anything proceed.  If necessary, blame me and move on.  It is time to show what you've got and how much further there is to go.



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  • LokeroLokero Member RarePosts: 1,391
    Mendel said:
    48 hours from now we should have the much anticipated 0.5 update!
    Lets see if he has taken any of this to heart and actually delivers what he promised: An updated schedule.


    Not just a : Here is the general order of things we are going to work on...

    But an actual schedule with estimated dates and all.  That's what a schedule is.  And heck, you may miss those new dates (I know shocking idea) but be up front and publish a monthly update.  

    Giving updates only behind an NDA pay wall has proven to be detrimental as well as breaking that promise from Kickstarter.   Let's get back on track.
    This is a chance, perhaps his last chance, to make amends with the community.  First, there were only the outliers that questioned his vision.  That seems to have spread to the outer recesses of the Ivory Tower.  Caspien needs some major public relations work.

    If SBS is going to make a game, make a game.  Act like professionals and stop with these rather childish games of accusation.  Assigning blame never helps anything proceed.  If necessary, blame me and move on.  It is time to show what you've got and how much further there is to go.
    Really, all Caspian needs to do is stop speaking and hand the PR over to someone else.  I would assume they must have someone who's remotely capable of public communications.

    He has no adult people skills of his own, and that reason alone is what has turned some of against the project.

    I mean, it's too late for me to start believing in their team, but for those people wanting to believe, I doubt they want to see the king wearing the jester's outfit and making a fool of himself.
    Gdemami
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