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New Caspien tantrum about news coverage

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 13,475
    Gdemami said:
    Not the Kickstarter campaign. The project.  
    ...project is what you start on KS and what backers pledge towards and KS rules always refer to "project" as such.


    "How do I start a project?

    Anyone that meets our creator requirements is eligible to launch a project on Kickstarter. 

    Just head to our start page to begin building your project. You can find tips on structuring and running your project in our Resources Compendium, and refer to our rules to make sure your project idea is a good fit. Meanwhile, feel free to save your project as a draft and return to finish it up or submit it for review at a later date."

    ....

    "Everything on Kickstarter must be a project with a clear goal, like making an album, a book, or a work of art. A project will eventually be completed, and something will be produced by it.

    Kickstarter is not a store, backers pledge to projects to help them come to life and support a creative process. To thank their backers for their support, project creators offer unique rewards that speak to the spirit of what they're hoping to create."
    You honestly think that?  I honestly hope it’s a weak troll because if you really think that....  damn...
    GdemamicraftseekerAnOldFart

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  • AnOldFartAnOldFart Member RarePosts: 546
    Gdemami said:
    Not the Kickstarter campaign. The project.  
    ...project is what you start on KS and what backers pledge towards and KS rules always refer to "project" as such.


    "How do I start a project?

    Anyone that meets our creator requirements is eligible to launch a project on Kickstarter. 

    Just head to our start page to begin building your project. You can find tips on structuring and running your project in our Resources Compendium, and refer to our rules to make sure your project idea is a good fit. Meanwhile, feel free to save your project as a draft and return to finish it up or submit it for review at a later date."

    ....

    "Everything on Kickstarter must be a project with a clear goal, like making an album, a book, or a work of art. A project will eventually be completed, and something will be produced by it.

    Kickstarter is not a store, backers pledge to projects to help them come to life and support a creative process. To thank their backers for their support, project creators offer unique rewards that speak to the spirit of what they're hoping to create."
    Oh my god.... 

    OK so let me do this slowly... 
    (I am literally typing slowly to get this point across) 

    Quote
    " Everything on Kickstarter must be a project with a clear goal, like making an album, a book, or a work of art. "

    It states right there that the project is to complete something, therefore to complete your project you need a finished item of some sort. 

    Now if Caspian had said they needed the cash to create a demo for investors he would have been accurate, instead he said its what he needed to finish the project stated (the game). 
    Therefore he made a big boo boo
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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,332
    edited February 2019
    AnOldFart said:
    OK so let me do this slowly... 
    ...probably still too fast for you.


    You are arguing a point no one was disputing - it does not matter what Walsh said or didn't.

    The claim was that there is a KS rule stating that SBS must declare "whole amount" - an amount needed to create entire game, and SBS broke that rule.

    That clam is obviously false because no such rule exists.
    tweedledumb99Slapshot1188Kyleran
  • tweedledumb99tweedledumb99 Member UncommonPosts: 290
    Gdemami said:
    AnOldFart said:
    OK so let me do this slowly... 
    ...probably still too fast for you.


    You are arguing a point no one was disputing - it does not what Welsh said or didn't.

    The claim was that there is a KS rule stating that SBS must declare "whole amount" - an amount needed to create entire game, and SBS broke that rule.

    That clam is obviously false because no such rule exists.
    Walsh.
  • tweedledumb99tweedledumb99 Member UncommonPosts: 290
    Gdemami said:
    AnOldFart said:
    OK so let me do this slowly... 
    ...probably still too fast for you.


    You are arguing a point no one was disputing - it does not what Welsh said or didn't.

    The claim was that there is a KS rule stating that SBS must declare "whole amount" - an amount needed to create entire game, and SBS broke that rule.

    That clam is obviously false because no such rule exists.
    Also, maybe we can agree that the rule is vague and allows for both interpretations.

    JUST KIDDING LET'S KEEP ARGUING.
    AnOldFart
  • LeFantomeLeFantome Member RarePosts: 666
    edited February 2019
    Gdemami said:
    AnOldFart said:
    OK so let me do this slowly... 
    ...probably still too fast for you.


    You are arguing a point no one was disputing - it does not what Welsh said or didn't.

    The claim was that there is a KS rule stating that SBS must declare "whole amount" - an amount needed to create entire game, and SBS broke that rule.

    That clam is obviously false because no such rule exists.
    Also, maybe we can agree that the rule is vague and allows for both interpretations.

    JUST KIDDING LET'S KEEP ARGUING.



    Ok, I disagree with you.
    Scottweedledumb99

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 13,475
    Gdemami said:
    AnOldFart said:
    OK so let me do this slowly... 
    ...probably still too fast for you.


    You are arguing a point no one was disputing - it does not what Welsh said or didn't.

    The claim was that there is a KS rule stating that SBS must declare "whole amount" - an amount needed to create entire game, and SBS broke that rule.

    That clam is obviously false because no such rule exists.
    Walsh.
    I have suspected...

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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 15,311
    Kyleran said:
    Gdemami said:
    Wheres the rule that says all projects must set a funding goal that covers their whole project? 

    I can't find that in their rules section.
    ...it exists in his head only.

    Well, and on the Kickstarter web site, (see above) but whatever.

    Try not to make it so easy.

    ;)
    You can set additional goals and ask for additional funding, but I thought everyone realised that if you ask people to fund you in a KS project they are paying for what's on the tin's label?
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 13,475
    Scot said:
    Kyleran said:
    Gdemami said:
    Wheres the rule that says all projects must set a funding goal that covers their whole project? 

    I can't find that in their rules section.
    ...it exists in his head only.

    Well, and on the Kickstarter web site, (see above) but whatever.

    Try not to make it so easy.

    ;)
    You can set additional goals and ask for additional funding, but I thought everyone realised that if you ask people to fund you in a KS project they are paying for what's on the tin's label?
    Apparently everyone except Captain LoL.

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  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    ... The problem here is once again that you cannot take the KS info at face value. You have to do due diligence.
    Now why would that be ?

    Is it because the KS proposal could be withholding some important info perhaps ? ;)
  • StaalBurgherStaalBurgher Member UncommonPosts: 265
    edited February 2019
    There's no doubt in my mind whatsoever that SBS were deliberately dishonest in their KS proposal.

    Jeromy Walsh knew that saying the KS funding total was only meant to build a "demo for investors" would hugely dampen the enthusiasm of potential backers, so that fact was conveniently omitted...

    Sure, there may have been hardcore fans that were already aware of that fact, seeing as they were active on the CoE forums long before the KS arrived, but there would have been many others who would not have known that "hidden detail". New arrivals would have taken the KS info at face value, which is quite acceptable, seeing as that funding proposal should contain all pertinent facts regarding what is being funded.
    Would it have been better if the summary said it was a for a prototype in those exact words? I agree. Still doesn't prove dishonesty. The problem here is once again that you cannot take the KS info at face value. You have to do due diligence.
    The information required to do a true due diligence isn't required to be provided to potential backers. 
    Unfortunately, for KS it is required, otherwise it would not be so cheap and accessible for the developer. KS is where projects go that have no other hope.
    Gdemami
  • StaalBurgherStaalBurgher Member UncommonPosts: 265
    edited February 2019
    Slapshot1188 said:

    How do you draw that conclusion from this rule:
    The funding goal is the amount of money that a creator needs to complete their project

    It says nothing about only breaking it if you are dishonest.   So please show me where it gives an exception for incompetence.  Or says you have to break the rules intentionally. 
     
    Then why did you highlight "honest and clearly" if it is not relevant? Convenient at the time to imply dishonesty, but not so much now?

    Because clearly when the topic came up Caspian was very open that they did need more cash beyond the kickstarter. My impression was always that the funding goal was for a prototype with which to get further funding.

    Your claim is that they set out to deliberately mislead people. That claim is false.
    Again that is incorrect

    No, all you have is speculation. Driven by your dislike of Caspian because he was rude to you. Which he shouldn't have been. But ultimately there are 3-0-0+ threads on this game, a significant portion started by yourself, for the sole purpose of internet revenge. It is both impressive and sad.

    Unless YOU are Caspian! *head explodes*
    Incorrect again... I'm going to have to add you to the list with Captain LoL and Groundhog Day guy.

    I suppose that is your only recourse. 3-0-0+ threads on how much this game fails is pretty good evidence that you have a massive personal grudge.
    Gdemamitweedledumb99Slapshot1188
  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,797
    Slapshot1188 said:

    How do you draw that conclusion from this rule:
    The funding goal is the amount of money that a creator needs to complete their project

    It says nothing about only breaking it if you are dishonest.   So please show me where it gives an exception for incompetence.  Or says you have to break the rules intentionally. 
     
    Then why did you highlight "honest and clearly" if it is not relevant? Convenient at the time to imply dishonesty, but not so much now?

    Because clearly when the topic came up Caspian was very open that they did need more cash beyond the kickstarter. My impression was always that the funding goal was for a prototype with which to get further funding.

    Your claim is that they set out to deliberately mislead people. That claim is false.
    Again that is incorrect

    No, all you have is speculation. Driven by your dislike of Caspian because he was rude to you. Which he shouldn't have been. But ultimately there are 3-0-0+ threads on this game, a significant portion started by yourself, for the sole purpose of internet revenge. It is both impressive and sad.

    Unless YOU are Caspian! *head explodes*
    Incorrect again... I'm going to have to add you to the list with Captain LoL and Groundhog Day guy.

    I suppose that is your only recourse. 3-0-0+ threads on how much this game fails is pretty good evidence that you have a massive personal grudge.
    Well what is he supposed to answer?
    The threads he made at least have valid critical points.

    All you do is repeat over and over again that he has a grudge as if that would invalidate his points.
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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,332
    Dakeru said:
    The threads he made at least have valid critical points.

    ...his ignorance and self-entitlement aren't sufficient to make his "points" even remotely valid.
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  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,797
    Gdemami said:
    Dakeru said:
    The threads he made at least have valid critical points.

    ...his ignorance and self-entitlement aren't sufficient to make his "points" even remotely valid.
    You are describing yourself perfectly.
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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,332
    edited February 2019
    Dakeru said:
    You are describing yourself perfectly.
    Unlikely, I am not the one with 300+ troll CoE threads under my belt...
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  • tweedledumb99tweedledumb99 Member UncommonPosts: 290
    Slap pretty clearly has a personal grudge against CoE.

    Slap also raises some good, valid criticisms about the project and how its handled. These are worth looking at for anyone interested in the project.

    Both are true.

    Also @Gdemami, I want you to stop trolling and be more critical about the games you identify with.
    GdemamiStaalBurgherAnOldFartcraftseeker
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 13,475
    Very common defense mechanism is to try and turn the thread from it’s subject to be about Slapshot. You know... kill the messenger (harbinger).

    Lets stay on target. 
    Gdemamicraftseeker

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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,332
    edited February 2019
    I want you to stop trolling and be more critical
    Hardly trolling, just reasonable.

    So far, objectively speaking, there isn't much to be concerned about - delays and changes happen, Walsh is terrible at communication/pr. But that is about all there is.

    Rehearshing those 2 same "points" over and over...now that's trolling.
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  • StaalBurgherStaalBurgher Member UncommonPosts: 265
    edited February 2019
    Slap pretty clearly has a personal grudge against CoE.

    Slap also raises some good, valid criticisms about the project and how its handled. These are worth looking at for anyone interested in the project.

    Both are true.

    Also @Gdemami, I want you to stop trolling and be more critical about the games you identify with.
    This is the thing, Caspian/SBS are worthy of criticism but there does need to be a balance because more often than not the discussion tilts all the way across to hyperbole and disingenuous trolling. That is often the only reason I post is to highlight that. Of course if you are uncritical of SBS in anyway your are a fanboy, which just further illustrates how off balance most of the commentary here is.
    Gdemamitweedledumb99
  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,797
    Gdemami said:
    Dakeru said:
    You are describing yourself perfectly.
    Unlikely, I am not the one with 300+ troll CoE threads under my belt...
    No, you are the one with the 10.000 Lols under your belt.

    Slap pretty clearly has a personal grudge against CoE.

    Slap also raises some good, valid criticisms about the project and how its handled. These are worth looking at for anyone interested in the project.

    Both are true.

    Also @Gdemami, I want you to stop trolling and be more critical about the games you identify with.
    This is the thing, Caspian/SBS are worthy of criticism but there does need to be a balance because more often than not the discussion tilts all the way across to hyperbole and disingenuous trolling. That is often the only reason I post is to highlight that. Of course if you are uncritical of SBS in anyway your are a fanboy, which just further illustrates how off balance most of the commentary here is.
    No one is arguing that Slap has an emotional affiliation with this project.
    He is a critical character. Always has been.
    And honestly a part of is already looking forward to him covering the nonsense promises the revamped Mortal Online will bring with it.

    The point is he won't allow himself to be blinded by his critical stance and that is why his input is still valued in this community even after years of critical coverage.
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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,332
    edited February 2019
    Dakeru said:
    No, you are the one with the 10.000 Lols under your belt.
    Yep, there are lots of hilariously flawed or otherwise ridiculous posts to get a good laugh about...
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  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 7,969
    Gdemami said:
    Dakeru said:
    No, you are the one with the 10.000 Lols under your belt.

    Yep, there are lots of hilariously flawed or othwerwise ridiculous posts to get a laugh at...
    I'd say that was a relatively conservative estimate.
    ScotKyleran
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  • StaalBurgherStaalBurgher Member UncommonPosts: 265
    Dakeru said:
    I suppose that is your only recourse. 3-0-0+ threads on how much this game fails is pretty good evidence that you have a massive personal grudge.
    Well what is he supposed to answer?
    The threads he made at least have valid critical points.

    All you do is repeat over and over again that he has a grudge as if that would invalidate his points.
    Please, Slap repeats the same criticisms of SBS over and over. For all the valid criticisms of the COE forum's ivory tower mentality, a similar thing happens here. Lots of backslapping for anyone that is critical and immediate dogpile of someone that is less than critical.
    Gdemamitweedledumb99
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 15,311
    cheyane said:
    Gdemami said:
    Dakeru said:
    No, you are the one with the 10.000 Lols under your belt.

    Yep, there are lots of hilariously flawed or othwerwise ridiculous posts to get a laugh at...
    I'd say that was a relatively conservative estimate.
    There is all of Gdemami's for a start. :)
    [Deleted User]
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