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  • TorrskTorrsk Member UncommonPosts: 148
    So, I haven't read every post in this thread, but: did CoE's lead decide to cut off MMORPG.com from access to their game because this website doesn't actively censor the community's negative opinions about CoE?



    SBS/CoE community has a pretty negative view of this whole site. Even though that view is mostly based on a few people. So if MMORPG lost access from Tim article I'm not sure. Wouldn't really surprise me. 

    I caught something interesting last night. Saw this guy post a reply to the store event, basically asking to see anything else besides more store events. Then the comment was gone. Sometime later the same guy posted another reply, wondering why his comment was deleted. To naturally, that comment also got deleted. 

    Both replies while could have been worded better, wasn't offensive or attacking. It wasn't the only comment asking for something either. 

    Not the first time this has happened. I have been in many threads were SBS has personally silenced people. Normally by just locking the thread, saying whatever problem, isn't a problem at all. But deleting comments isn't so rare either. If SBS themselves are doing it or some mod, well that be something else all together. 
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  • ArteriusArterius Member RarePosts: 921
    Torrsk said:
    So, I haven't read every post in this thread, but: did CoE's lead decide to cut off MMORPG.com from access to their game because this website doesn't actively censor the community's negative opinions about CoE?



    SBS/CoE community has a pretty negative view of this whole site. Even though that view is mostly based on a few people. So if MMORPG lost access from Tim article I'm not sure. Wouldn't really surprise me. 

    I caught something interesting last night. Saw this guy post a reply to the store event, basically asking to see anything else besides more store events. Then the comment was gone. Sometime later the same guy posted another reply, wondering why his comment was deleted. To naturally, that comment also got deleted. 

    Both replies while could have been worded better, wasn't offensive or attacking. It wasn't the only comment asking for something either. 

    Not the first time this has happened. I have been in many threads were SBS has personally silenced people. Normally by just locking the thread, saying whatever problem, isn't a problem at all. But deleting comments isn't so rare either. If SBS themselves are doing it or some mod, well that be something else all together. 
    I believe it. Funny thing is back the day I was excited for this game. Not enough to back it but enough to try it when it released. Funny to think that will probably not happen now and I saved some money.
  • StaalBurgherStaalBurgher Member UncommonPosts: 255
    edited February 14
    Arterius said:
    Torrsk said:
    So, I haven't read every post in this thread, but: did CoE's lead decide to cut off MMORPG.com from access to their game because this website doesn't actively censor the community's negative opinions about CoE?



    SBS/CoE community has a pretty negative view of this whole site. Even though that view is mostly based on a few people. So if MMORPG lost access from Tim article I'm not sure. Wouldn't really surprise me. 

    I caught something interesting last night. Saw this guy post a reply to the store event, basically asking to see anything else besides more store events. Then the comment was gone. Sometime later the same guy posted another reply, wondering why his comment was deleted. To naturally, that comment also got deleted. 

    Both replies while could have been worded better, wasn't offensive or attacking. It wasn't the only comment asking for something either. 

    Not the first time this has happened. I have been in many threads were SBS has personally silenced people. Normally by just locking the thread, saying whatever problem, isn't a problem at all. But deleting comments isn't so rare either. If SBS themselves are doing it or some mod, well that be something else all together. 
    I believe it. Funny thing is back the day I was excited for this game. Not enough to back it but enough to try it when it released. Funny to think that will probably not happen now and I saved some money.
    This is actually one of the best (only?) arguments against backing a crowdfunded game; it takes so long that you might not be interested once it is done.
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,440
    Arterius said:
    Torrsk said:
    So, I haven't read every post in this thread, but: did CoE's lead decide to cut off MMORPG.com from access to their game because this website doesn't actively censor the community's negative opinions about CoE?



    SBS/CoE community has a pretty negative view of this whole site. Even though that view is mostly based on a few people. So if MMORPG lost access from Tim article I'm not sure. Wouldn't really surprise me. 

    I caught something interesting last night. Saw this guy post a reply to the store event, basically asking to see anything else besides more store events. Then the comment was gone. Sometime later the same guy posted another reply, wondering why his comment was deleted. To naturally, that comment also got deleted. 

    Both replies while could have been worded better, wasn't offensive or attacking. It wasn't the only comment asking for something either. 

    Not the first time this has happened. I have been in many threads were SBS has personally silenced people. Normally by just locking the thread, saying whatever problem, isn't a problem at all. But deleting comments isn't so rare either. If SBS themselves are doing it or some mod, well that be something else all together. 
    I believe it. Funny thing is back the day I was excited for this game. Not enough to back it but enough to try it when it released. Funny to think that will probably not happen now and I saved some money.
    This is actually one of the best (only?) arguments against backing a crowdfunded game; it takes so long that you might not be interested once it is done.
    Only?  Don't make me laugh.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,642
    Arterius said:
    Torrsk said:
    So, I haven't read every post in this thread, but: did CoE's lead decide to cut off MMORPG.com from access to their game because this website doesn't actively censor the community's negative opinions about CoE?



    SBS/CoE community has a pretty negative view of this whole site. Even though that view is mostly based on a few people. So if MMORPG lost access from Tim article I'm not sure. Wouldn't really surprise me. 

    I caught something interesting last night. Saw this guy post a reply to the store event, basically asking to see anything else besides more store events. Then the comment was gone. Sometime later the same guy posted another reply, wondering why his comment was deleted. To naturally, that comment also got deleted. 

    Both replies while could have been worded better, wasn't offensive or attacking. It wasn't the only comment asking for something either. 

    Not the first time this has happened. I have been in many threads were SBS has personally silenced people. Normally by just locking the thread, saying whatever problem, isn't a problem at all. But deleting comments isn't so rare either. If SBS themselves are doing it or some mod, well that be something else all together. 
    I believe it. Funny thing is back the day I was excited for this game. Not enough to back it but enough to try it when it released. Funny to think that will probably not happen now and I saved some money.
    This is actually one of the best (only?) arguments against backing a crowdfunded game; it takes so long that you might not be interested once it is done.
    Only?  Don't make me laugh.
    You beat me to it...

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 32,697
    edited February 14
    Arterius said:
    Torrsk said:
    So, I haven't read every post in this thread, but: did CoE's lead decide to cut off MMORPG.com from access to their game because this website doesn't actively censor the community's negative opinions about CoE?



    SBS/CoE community has a pretty negative view of this whole site. Even though that view is mostly based on a few people. So if MMORPG lost access from Tim article I'm not sure. Wouldn't really surprise me. 

    I caught something interesting last night. Saw this guy post a reply to the store event, basically asking to see anything else besides more store events. Then the comment was gone. Sometime later the same guy posted another reply, wondering why his comment was deleted. To naturally, that comment also got deleted. 

    Both replies while could have been worded better, wasn't offensive or attacking. It wasn't the only comment asking for something either. 

    Not the first time this has happened. I have been in many threads were SBS has personally silenced people. Normally by just locking the thread, saying whatever problem, isn't a problem at all. But deleting comments isn't so rare either. If SBS themselves are doing it or some mod, well that be something else all together. 
    I believe it. Funny thing is back the day I was excited for this game. Not enough to back it but enough to try it when it released. Funny to think that will probably not happen now and I saved some money.
    This is actually one of the best (only?) arguments against backing a crowdfunded game; it takes so long that you might not be interested once it is done.
    Valid point, one I never considered when backing CUs kick starter almost 6 years ago.

    I was sure the two year promise was unworkable, but hey, what do I know,  I'm  not a game developer as some here often point out.

    MJ was an experienced one however and he had fallen on his sword over the whole WH fiasco saying he would not make the mistakes of the past.

    So far the only lessons learned we've seen is to not be pressured into releasing before the game is done, which is looking to easily be around 8 years, well beyond the original two year promise.

    So along comes Caspian around three years ago, with not much more game dev experience than me claiming he could deliver a MMORPG with far more complexity than CU on a shoestring budget in about two years.

    Slapshot, me, and some others called him out on it and we were met with righteous indignation to the point of being labeled Harbingers and having these forums forever labeled as a tower of hatred.

    See, the thing is, we have not been proven wrong on almost any of the points we raised , weird, maybe we really should be game devs after all.

    Developer competence, honesty and ability to make realistic estimates which clearly identify the risks and mitigation plan are very good reasons to decide whether or not to fund an effort, well at least for me.

    As SC continues to fund at an unprecedented pace (just passed $215M) clearly there is a large pool of backers for which none of what I mentioned above even applies. (There's a prediction I got totally wrong)

    It really is a cult of sorts over there. 

    ;)


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  • StaalBurgherStaalBurgher Member UncommonPosts: 255
    edited February 14
    There are no other valid arguments against Kickstarter. There are only made up arguments based on false assumptions such as "you bought a product", which you didn't. You donated some money to a group of people on the internet to attempt something very risky.

    Expressing skepticism about a projects feasibility is perfectly fine but has nothing to do with Kickstarter principle. People are free to donate as they wish.
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,440
    There are no other valid arguments against Kickstarter. There are only made up arguments based on false assumptions such as "you bought a product", which you didn't. You donated some money to a group of people on the internet to attempt something very risky.
    Is the sky blue in your reality?  I'm curious.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,642
    edited February 14
    There are no other valid arguments against Kickstarter. There are only made up arguments based on false assumptions such as "you bought a product", which you didn't. You donated some money to a group of people on the internet to attempt something very risky.

    Expressing skepticism about a projects feasibility is perfectly fine but has nothing to do with Kickstarter principle. People are free to donate as they wish.
    No that's utter bullshit.  Pure and simple.

    There are promises made by the developer.  The expectation is that the developer will fulfill these promises.  Time is just ONE of those.

    For instance, Caspien literally PROMISED in his kickstarter to PUBLISH and UPDATE his schedule on the website. (yes... literally promised.  Quote at the bottom).  This was a simple promise, easy to keep, yet not even close to being fulfilled.

    Others include things like using a certain technology (SpatialOS) to enable them to complete something and then suddenly changing.   Another would be not mentioning ANYWHERE on the main Kickstarter page that the funds were not the whole amount and that the game would take another 2-3 million (which was also bullshit as we are at $5.5 and not even close).

    So yeah... your claim is utter bullshit and easily disproven. All of the above are quite valid complaints which have nothing to do with just being late.  There is simply zero accountability and THIS is the biggest flaw with Kickstarter.

    Quote from main Kickstarter Page:

    Soulbound Studios promises to:

    • Publish & update our schedule on the CoE website 

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  • StaalBurgherStaalBurgher Member UncommonPosts: 255
    edited February 14
    No, there is a promise to attempt to complete the project, that is all.

    Publishing deadlines is just fluffy nice to haves but ultimately has no relevance as to whether the project is completed. Don't get me wrong I think they should do it if they said they have but this is not an argument against "Kickstarter".
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,642
    No, there is a promise to attempt to complete the project, that is all.

    Publishing deadlines is just fluffy nice to haves but ultimately has no relevance as to whether the project is completed.
    Again.. thats bullshit.

    I literally showed you a promise they made.  On the front page.  100% within their ability to satisfy.  They have not done so.  There is no wiggle room here.
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  • parrotpholkparrotpholk Member EpicPosts: 4,568
    No, there is a promise to attempt to complete the project, that is all.

    Publishing deadlines is just fluffy nice to haves but ultimately has no relevance as to whether the project is completed.
    Part of their whole sales pitch was to be very transparent and open with development to be different from others.  They have been anything but that so they did sell a promise which they have failed with.  Well unless you paid 10k+ and are a part of the double secret special forums.
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  • StaalBurgherStaalBurgher Member UncommonPosts: 255
    edited February 14
    No, there is a promise to attempt to complete the project, that is all.

    Publishing deadlines is just fluffy nice to haves but ultimately has no relevance as to whether the project is completed.
    Again.. thats bullshit.

    I literally showed you a promise they made.  On the front page.  100% within their ability to satisfy.  They have not done so.  There is no wiggle room here.
    I said there are no valid arguments against Kickstarter and here you are hyperventilating against Caspian again. This is not healthy, Slap.
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  • StaalBurgherStaalBurgher Member UncommonPosts: 255
    No, there is a promise to attempt to complete the project, that is all.

    Publishing deadlines is just fluffy nice to haves but ultimately has no relevance as to whether the project is completed.
    Part of their whole sales pitch was to be very transparent and open with development to be different from others.  They have been anything but that so they did sell a promise which they have failed with.  Well unless you paid 10k+ and are a part of the double secret special forums.
    Still has nothing to do with my original statement:

    This is actually one of the best (only?) arguments against backing a crowdfunded game; it takes so long that you might not be interested once it is done.

    You guys are so busy circle-jerking to your collective hate that any comment is construed as... I don't even know what.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 32,697
    edited February 14
    No, there is a promise to attempt to complete the project, that is all.

    Publishing deadlines is just fluffy nice to haves but ultimately has no relevance as to whether the project is completed.
    Part of their whole sales pitch was to be very transparent and open with development to be different from others.  They have been anything but that so they did sell a promise which they have failed with.  Well unless you paid 10k+ and are a part of the double secret special forums.
    Still has nothing to do with my original statement:

    This is actually one of the best (only?) arguments against backing a crowdfunded game; it takes so long that you might not be interested once it is done.

    You guys are so busy circle-jerking to your collective hate that any comment is construed as... I don't even know what.
    You appear to be trying to build a strawman about kickstarters in general, and accuse others of focusing / hating only on COE.

    I raised valid concerns about whether or not a backer feels the team is capable of delivering the project, if it is properly funded, or if the goals are even in the realm of possibility yet you ignore, because it dispels your argument?

    MadFrenchies comment pissed you off, so rephrased,  in what reality are the points being raised invalid, clearly not the one most of the rest of us reside in.

    (Though I know of at least one other resident in there with you.)

    ;)


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  • BillMurphyBillMurphy Managing EditorMMORPG.COM Staff LegendaryPosts: 4,547
    The best/weirdest part about all this is that I've only ever tried to help the team there with coverage. We NEED good MMOs to thrive. CoE was REVEALED here in a long series of articles. I want this game to be good and successful, because I'm both a fan of the genre, and I love what they're trying to do.

    BUT. That doesn't mean I'm going to stop my columnists or our readers from voicing their opinions by censoring either of them.
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  • StaalBurgherStaalBurgher Member UncommonPosts: 255
    edited February 14
    Kyleran said:

    You appear to be trying to build a strawman about kickstarters in general, and accuse others of focusing / hating only on COE.

    I raised valid concerns about whether or not a backer feels the team is capable of delivering the project, if it is properly funded, or if the goals are even in the realm of possibility yet you ignore, because it dispels your argument?

    MadFrenchies comment pissed you off, so rephrased,  in what reality are the points being raised invalid, clearly not the one most of the rest of us reside in.

    (Though I know of at least one other resident in there with you.)

    ;)


    Those aren't arguments against Kickstarter. They are arguments against COE. There is the strawman.
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  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 2,997
    Kyleran said:

    You appear to be trying to build a strawman about kickstarters in general, and accuse others of focusing / hating only on COE.

    I raised valid concerns about whether or not a backer feels the team is capable of delivering the project, if it is properly funded, or if the goals are even in the realm of possibility yet you ignore, because it dispels your argument?

    MadFrenchies comment pissed you off, so rephrased,  in what reality are the points being raised invalid, clearly not the one most of the rest of us reside in.

    (Though I know of at least one other resident in there with you.)

    ;)


    Those aren't arguments against Kickstarter. They are arguments against COE. There is the strawman.
    Okay.  Even though you are the one who injected Kickstarter into this discussion.

    An argument against Kickstarter (and crowd-funding in general).  A developer attempts to raise money from individuals by encouraging the individuals to believe they are *investing* in their project without providing the same degree of accountability and return as any other financial investment.  This can be used, in some cases, to deceive the individual, and may be fraudulent.



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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,440
    edited February 14
    Mendel said:
    Kyleran said:

    You appear to be trying to build a strawman about kickstarters in general, and accuse others of focusing / hating only on COE.

    I raised valid concerns about whether or not a backer feels the team is capable of delivering the project, if it is properly funded, or if the goals are even in the realm of possibility yet you ignore, because it dispels your argument?

    MadFrenchies comment pissed you off, so rephrased,  in what reality are the points being raised invalid, clearly not the one most of the rest of us reside in.

    (Though I know of at least one other resident in there with you.)

    ;)


    Those aren't arguments against Kickstarter. They are arguments against COE. There is the strawman.
    Okay.  Even though you are the one who injected Kickstarter into this discussion.

    An argument against Kickstarter (and crowd-funding in general).  A developer attempts to raise money from individuals by encouraging the individuals to believe they are *investing* in their project without providing the same degree of accountability and return as any other financial investment.  This can be used, in some cases, to deceive the individual, and may be fraudulent.



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  • TimEisenTimEisen ColumnistMember EpicPosts: 3,290
    The best/weirdest part about all this is that I've only ever tried to help the team there with coverage. We NEED good MMOs to thrive. CoE was REVEALED here in a long series of articles. I want this game to be good and successful, because I'm both a fan of the genre, and I love what they're trying to do.
    No to mention, I BACKED IT! Only in the now does buying a product (or buying the apparition of a product while you await for it to solidify) apparently means you hate it. 
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 32,697
    The best/weirdest part about all this is that I've only ever tried to help the team there with coverage. We NEED good MMOs to thrive. CoE was REVEALED here in a long series of articles. I want this game to be good and successful, because I'm both a fan of the genre, and I love what they're trying to do.

    BUT. That doesn't mean I'm going to stop my columnists or our readers from voicing their opinions by censoring either of them.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 32,697
    edited February 14
    Kyleran said:

    You appear to be trying to build a strawman about kickstarters in general, and accuse others of focusing / hating only on COE.

    I raised valid concerns about whether or not a backer feels the team is capable of delivering the project, if it is properly funded, or if the goals are even in the realm of possibility yet you ignore, because it dispels your argument?

    MadFrenchies comment pissed you off, so rephrased,  in what reality are the points being raised invalid, clearly not the one most of the rest of us reside in.

    (Though I know of at least one other resident in there with you.)

    ;)


    Those aren't arguments against Kickstarter. They are arguments against COE. There is the strawman.
    They are arguments directed at any and all MMORPG kick starters, of which COE is one.

    Same applies to CU where I showed even though I had decent reason to believe promises might be kept, clearly things haven't worked out.

    Same questions apply to any other KSer, games, new hard goods or otherwise.

    Someone puts up a crowd funding effort for flying cars or personal jet packs you can be sure I'm going to want to see a demo of the anti-gravity tech, PhDs of engineering team along with their Nobel prizes for their discovery.

    Again, you continue to deflect, you're beat and you know it, time to withdraw gracefully while still possible. 


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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,642
    No, there is a promise to attempt to complete the project, that is all.

    Publishing deadlines is just fluffy nice to haves but ultimately has no relevance as to whether the project is completed.
    Again.. thats bullshit.

    I literally showed you a promise they made.  On the front page.  100% within their ability to satisfy.  They have not done so.  There is no wiggle room here.
    I said there are no valid arguments against Kickstarter and here you are hyperventilating against Caspian again. This is not healthy, Slap.
    I am pointing out that there is no accountability to Kickstarter by using CoE as the example since this IS a CoE thread.  Shocking right?

    Even when a company blatantly promises to do something on Kickstarter (see examples) there is no accountability.  They apparently can ignore what they promised with impunity.  It’s that utter lack of accountability that is the greatest Kickstarter flaw.
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  • tweedledumb99tweedledumb99 Member UncommonPosts: 215
    There are no other valid arguments against Kickstarter. There are only made up arguments based on false assumptions such as "you bought a product", which you didn't. You donated some money to a group of people on the internet to attempt something very risky.

    Expressing skepticism about a projects feasibility is perfectly fine but has nothing to do with Kickstarter principle. People are free to donate as they wish.
    No that's utter bullshit.  Pure and simple.

    There are promises made by the developer.  The expectation is that the developer will fulfill these promises.  Time is just ONE of those.

    For instance, Caspien literally PROMISED in his kickstarter to PUBLISH and UPDATE his schedule on the website. (yes... literally promised.  Quote at the bottom).  This was a simple promise, easy to keep, yet not even close to being fulfilled.

    Others include things like using a certain technology (SpatialOS) to enable them to complete something and then suddenly changing.   Another would be not mentioning ANYWHERE on the main Kickstarter page that the funds were not the whole amount and that the game would take another 2-3 million (which was also bullshit as we are at $5.5 and not even close).

    So yeah... your claim is utter bullshit and easily disproven. All of the above are quite valid complaints which have nothing to do with just being late.  There is simply zero accountability and THIS is the biggest flaw with Kickstarter.

    Quote from main Kickstarter Page:

    Soulbound Studios promises to:

    • Publish & update our schedule on the CoE website 


    Kyleran said:
    No, there is a promise to attempt to complete the project, that is all.

    Publishing deadlines is just fluffy nice to haves but ultimately has no relevance as to whether the project is completed.
    Part of their whole sales pitch was to be very transparent and open with development to be different from others.  They have been anything but that so they did sell a promise which they have failed with.  Well unless you paid 10k+ and are a part of the double secret special forums.
    Still has nothing to do with my original statement:

    This is actually one of the best (only?) arguments against backing a crowdfunded game; it takes so long that you might not be interested once it is done.

    You guys are so busy circle-jerking to your collective hate that any comment is construed as... I don't even know what.
    You appear to be trying to build a strawman about kickstarters in general, and accuse others of focusing / hating only on COE.

    I raised valid concerns about whether or not a backer feels the team is capable of delivering the project, if it is properly funded, or if the goals are even in the realm of possibility yet you ignore, because it dispels your argument?

    MadFrenchies comment pissed you off, so rephrased,  in what reality are the points being raised invalid, clearly not the one most of the rest of us reside in.

    (Though I know of at least one other resident in there with you.)

    ;)


    Just to be clear, Staal is right to say you're strawmanning if you're arguing CoE specific stuff in response to Staal's point about whether crowdfunding MMO's in general is "wrong/bad".

    But it's also a good point that nobody was saying that crowdfunding in general is wrong, just that CoE is fucking up hard.
  • tweedledumb99tweedledumb99 Member UncommonPosts: 215
    No, there is a promise to attempt to complete the project, that is all.

    Publishing deadlines is just fluffy nice to haves but ultimately has no relevance as to whether the project is completed. Don't get me wrong I think they should do it if they said they have but this is not an argument against "Kickstarter".
    Sure but the point of the thread is that CoE specifically is doing stuff that's not good.

    Your general point about Kickstarters is a good point, and people arguing against it while citing only CoE stuff, that doesn't make sense.

    But it does make sense for them to continue to criticize CoE.
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