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  • TorrskTorrsk Member UncommonPosts: 123
    48 hours from now we should have the much anticipated 0.5 update!
    Lets see if he has taken any of this to heart and actually delivers what he promised: An updated schedule.
    I can only assume this comes off discord? I really don't expect anything to change. Well not as long as their loyal backers keep spam upvoting anything he says. 
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,441
    Well, sadly it looks like Caspien will NOT be including an actual schedule with dates.  Of course, it's hidden in the pay access NDA forum but since this part was linked on the main forum I can share it.



    So great.  Despite his PROMISE to provide updated schedules, It looks like we still get useless crap with no dates.

    Oh well.  We should see for real tomorrow.
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  • Azaron_NightbladeAzaron_Nightblade Member EpicPosts: 4,587
    Well, sadly it looks like Caspien will NOT be including an actual schedule with dates.  Of course, it's hidden in the pay access NDA forum but since this part was linked on the main forum I can share it.



    So great.  Despite his PROMISE to provide updated schedules, It looks like we still get useless crap with no dates.

    Oh well.  We should see for real tomorrow.
    I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you :joy:

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  • WBadgerWBadger Member UncommonPosts: 250
    Well, sadly it looks like Caspien will NOT be including an actual schedule with dates.  Of course, it's hidden in the pay access NDA forum but since this part was linked on the main forum I can share it.



    So great.  Despite his PROMISE to provide updated schedules, It looks like we still get useless crap with no dates.

    Oh well.  We should see for real tomorrow.
    It would probably just look like this anyways.
    Feature 1:  Soon™(Unless we ax it)
    Feature 2:  Soon™(Unless we ax it)
    Feature 3:  Soon™(Actually we already axed this one.)
    Feature 4:  Q2 2020(I've just been informed by my lawyers that was supposed to be Soon™, and then my developers informed me that we axed this one too.)
    Game's full release:  Soon™(Probably)
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,441
    No 0.5 update today...



    Not his fault.  Just toss the team under the bus.

    Not much good nor very WOW...

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  • TorrskTorrsk Member UncommonPosts: 123
    How interesting what you linked has been removed there Slapshot. Meaning from the CoE forums, it's almost as if someone broke NDA. Seems the public isn't worthy enough to get anything. Even a hint of a timeline. 

    I don't really care about this 0.5.0 blog. I just wanna see this state of elyria blog. Unless they are both the same thing.
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,022
    No 0.5 update today...



    Not his fault.  Just toss the team under the bus.

    Not much good nor very WOW...

    Lol.  Damn, I mean I guess maybe his team is aware expressly through internal discussion he meant nothing by it, but Jesus Christ that comes off as straight douchebag.

    If my Director pulled that shit all sly with our business partners or parent company, I can confidently say me and the rest of my team would be pretty sour about the tone.
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  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,693
    No 0.5 update today...



    Not his fault.  Just toss the team under the bus.

    Not much good nor very WOW...

    Lol.  Damn, I mean I guess maybe his team is aware expressly through internal discussion he meant nothing by it, but Jesus Christ that comes off as straight douchebag.

    If my Director pulled that shit all sly with our business partners or parent company, I can confidently say me and the rest of my team would be pretty sour about the tone.
    The part that amuses me a great deal is that he is probably telling the truth about his team being late.

    But.. seriously.. HE is one to criticize people about missed dates  B)
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  • VrikaVrika Member EpicPosts: 5,358
    No 0.5 update today...



    Not his fault.  Just toss the team under the bus.

    Not much good nor very WOW...

    He's ready to write a glowing progress report, but can't write it because they haven't made the progress he wants to write about?
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  • craftseekercraftseeker Member RarePosts: 1,740
    edited January 25

    Gdemami
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,385
    The thing about SCRUM methodology is that you need a very good Project Manager for it too work, one with an excellent plan and absolute commitment to preserve the plan. BUT this is Caspian, who has no experience and seems to discard the plan and formulate a new one more often than he changes his socks.
    CoE is using Scrum...?
  • craftseekercraftseeker Member RarePosts: 1,740
    Gdemami said:
    The thing about SCRUM methodology is that you need a very good Project Manager for it too work, one with an excellent plan and absolute commitment to preserve the plan. BUT this is Caspian, who has no experience and seems to discard the plan and formulate a new one more often than he changes his socks.
    CoE is using Scrum...?
    Sprint is part of SCRUM so in theory yes, thanks for reserecting the post I tried to delete, I no longer stand by what I said, SCRUM doesn't have a project manager as such.
    Gdemami
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,441
    Gdemami said:
    The thing about SCRUM methodology is that you need a very good Project Manager for it too work, one with an excellent plan and absolute commitment to preserve the plan. BUT this is Caspian, who has no experience and seems to discard the plan and formulate a new one more often than he changes his socks.
    CoE is using Scrum...?
    Sprint is part of SCRUM so in theory yes, thanks for reserecting the post I tried to delete, I no longer stand by what I said, SCRUM doesn't have a project manager as such.
    So it’s a perfect fit.
    Gdemami

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    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 32,204
    Gdemami said:
    The thing about SCRUM methodology is that you need a very good Project Manager for it too work, one with an excellent plan and absolute commitment to preserve the plan. BUT this is Caspian, who has no experience and seems to discard the plan and formulate a new one more often than he changes his socks.
    CoE is using Scrum...?
    Sprint is part of SCRUM so in theory yes, thanks for reserecting the post I tried to delete, I no longer stand by what I said, SCRUM doesn't have a project manager as such.
    So it’s a perfect fit.
    SCRUM normally delivers functional code in two to three week sprints. 

    We've seen no evidence yet of anything functional so likely they aren't really using SCRUM, at least not as intended.

    :D
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,441
    Torrsk said:
    How interesting what you linked has been removed there Slapshot. Meaning from the CoE forums, it's almost as if someone broke NDA. Seems the public isn't worthy enough to get anything. Even a hint of a timeline. 

    I don't really care about this 0.5.0 blog. I just wanna see this state of elyria blog. Unless they are both the same thing.
    After we started talking about the State of Elyria and pulling out last year's to show they missed all 3 major milestones, Caspien said:


    Gdemami

    "I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 10,441
    edited January 25
    Hmm.. double post

    Gdemami

    "I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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  • bcbullybcbully Member RarePosts: 9,462
    edited January 25
    Caspien has posted a "brilliant" response on his forum:



    Firstly... you really have to love the way he wants pity for having to take a few minutes on a Sunday to post.  He is supposed to be the CEO of a startup company.   Seriously?  You are going to complain about taking 10 minutes to post on a Sunday?  I think I understand why he misses all these dates.  He absolutely does not have a startup mentality and it shows.

    Anyhow, the reason I call it a "brilliant" response is because it pretty much ignores Tim's article but just responds to some really easy low hanging fruit from one poster.  This guy served up softballs and Caspien jumped at the chance to respond.  
    Example:

    When they promise things that never happen, why dont the community hold them accountable?

    I'm not sure what you mean by never happen. We had several community events come and go that we said would happen, we've got domain & settlement selection coming up soon as well. We reached our Friends & Family milestone earlier last year, but decided not to release the "Walk & Talk" to Alpha 1 backers. Now we're working on getting the game into the hands of players as quickly as possible. Trust me when I say it's coming soon.

    But to say never is both a gross over statement and is honestly incorrect. As long as I'm coming into work every day, never hasn't happened yet. In the words of the famous Dread Pirate Roberts, "You're only saying never because no one ever has."

    ------

    Isn't he so smart!  Never hasn't happened yet.  HA HA.  Just want I want my CEO saying when he hasn't delivered what he said he would.

    Or then there is this beauty:

    Is it not a bit dis-concerning that after so many years they have yet to produce anything that can be viewed as progress and are way overdue on timelines and so on?

    We've been in production for 2 years and 2 months (Since Nov. 2016). Since then we've had to roll our own back-end servers, create a front-end that can communicate with our back-end, and implement the many gameplay mechanics and systems that exist in the Pre-Alpha - in addition to all the work we've had to do around world building and world generation; including creating the lore and details of all the biomes, flora, fauna, historical events, and Tribes of Elyria.

    I know that all sounds defensive, but it's really not meant to be. I just wanted to highlight that we've done a ton in a relatively short amount of time. I say relatively because if you compare us with other in-development and previous MMOs you can see that we're still doing quite well on time.

    I know when you're watching the clock waiting for the project to be completed it can seem like an eternity. But I've worked longer than this on single-player free-roaming adventure games.

    -----

    Silly people!  Of course an MMORPG can't be completed in 2 years!  Why it's crazy to even think that!  Why would you get that crazy idea in your head?  Gantt charts schmant charts! (for those new to the story, the first big argument was when Caspien listed a Dec 2017 release date and then forcefully defended that date by referring to his Gantt charts)

    And then the Shame On You Guys part:

    And why do we never get a response from SbS on this forum with things like this, not like the tactic of ignoring concerns have worked for them...

    Frankly, because we have things to do. There will always be negative articles that come out about the game. Even post-launch. We can't stop development each time that happens to address it. We shouldn't have to.

    ------
    So instead of taking an opportunity to really address Tim, he takes a shot at an easy target which of course he then links to his Ivory Tower followers so they can go "upvote" his response and reaffirm their commitment to what he has literally called it: "The Gospel Of CoE".
    Slap, i think you’ve crossed the line to hate. I haven’t seen this much hate since me hating  GW2. Caution my friend.

    Funny thing tho, I was getting banned for calling black lion chest gambling boxes. 

    The difference between NCsoft marketing money and indi marketing money I guess...
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  • WBadgerWBadger Member UncommonPosts: 250
    No 0.5 update today...



    Not his fault.  Just toss the team under the bus.

    Not much good nor very WOW...

    Axing my team because they are dragging me down 0.5.0 Update:  Soon™
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  • RobsolfRobsolf Member RarePosts: 4,591
    "Since then we've had to roll our own back-end servers, create a front-end that can communicate with our back-end..."

    I don't think it's a coincidence that that literally sounds like "We've been trying to talk out of our ass."
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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,385
    Sprint is part of SCRUM so in theory yes
    I see.

    You use a computer, therefore in theory, you are a game developer.
  • AnOldFartAnOldFart Member UncommonPosts: 296
    Gdemami said:
    Sprint is part of SCRUM so in theory yes
    I see.

    You use a computer, therefore in theory, you are a game developer.
    Nothing like taking a quote out of context and insulting someone who you have never met. 
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  • GaladournGaladourn Member RarePosts: 1,664
    Gdemami said:
    The thing about SCRUM methodology is that you need a very good Project Manager for it too work, one with an excellent plan and absolute commitment to preserve the plan. BUT this is Caspian, who has no experience and seems to discard the plan and formulate a new one more often than he changes his socks.
    CoE is using Scrum...?
    They started off with it, but decided Scam was a better approach....

  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,385
    Galadourn said:
    They started off with it, but decided Scam was a better approach....
    ....source?
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  • GaladournGaladourn Member RarePosts: 1,664
    Gdemami said:
    Galadourn said:
    They started off with it, but decided Scam was a better approach....
    ....source?
    for Scrum or for Scam?

  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,385
    Galadourn said:
    for Scrum or for Scam?

    Ah, sorry. Misread your post as something that has other value but trolling.
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