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MMORPGs dead? Nonsense! This is the most exciting time for upcoming games that I can remember.

VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,898
Now, I admit... I toook some time away from mainstream MMORPGs because the whole thing was boring to me, preferring to play classic Everquest, but I have to say... The future looks so bright to me. So many choices from Ashes of Creation to Hytale to watch grow and maybe eventually play.

I think I am back!

Why is the general vibe in the genre so deflated and negative? I don't get it.
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  • ArteriusArterius Member EpicPosts: 1,870
    Failed promises mostly. 
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  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,898
    Arterius said:
    Failed promises mostly. 
    eh? How so?

    oh, you mean people are jaded because they have been burned in the past?

    They should have done what i did and taken a break from it all for a while until it started to look fun again.
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  • ArteriusArterius Member EpicPosts: 1,870
    Vesavius said:
    Arterius said:
    Failed promises mostly. 
    eh? How so?

    oh, you mean people are jaded because they have been burned in the past?

    They should have done what i did and taken a break from it all for a while until it started to look fun again.
    I agree with you and I am excited for just about every upcoming MMO as it is my favorite genre. I have just been here a few months now and most people are just wary of a new MMO because they have seen all the smoke and mirrors before. 
    parrotpholkVesaviuscraftseekeralkarionlogTrolldefender99
  • parrotpholkparrotpholk Member EpicPosts: 4,602
    Arterius said:
    Vesavius said:
    Arterius said:
    Failed promises mostly. 
    eh? How so?

    oh, you mean people are jaded because they have been burned in the past?

    They should have done what i did and taken a break from it all for a while until it started to look fun again.
    I agree with you and I am excited for just about every upcoming MMO as it is my favorite genre. I have just been here a few months now and most people are just wary of a new MMO because they have seen all the smoke and mirrors before. 
    Exactly this!

    The crowd funded disasters are all over if you just look.  SC is the one which I think will launch no matter what anyone thinks of how they did it.  Everything else has more or less been a money grab.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 33,946
    Vesavius said:
    Arterius said:
    Failed promises mostly. 
    eh? How so?

    oh, you mean people are jaded because they have been burned in the past?

    They should have done what i did and taken a break from it all for a while until it started to look fun again.
    Mostly burnout at this point due the never ending story development is taking. 

    I am CU KSer backer and I knew the 2 year promise date was not likely.

    Never expected to be at the 6 year mark (April) with the game still in beta and no realistic promise date still.

    Crowfall, Star Citizen, Pantheon, etc, all just part of the Song that Doesn't End.

    Let's all sing along....


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  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,898
    Kyleran said:
    Mostly burnout at this point due the never ending story development is taking. 

    I am CU KSer backer and I knew the 2 year promise date was not likely.

    Never expected to be at the 6 year mark (April) with the game still in beta and no realistic promise date still.

    Crowfall, Star Citizen, Pantheon, etc, all just part of the Song that Doesn't End.


    lol, I do get that, truly, but having a break from following these games over the last few years and just playing EQ in my own little bubble has given me fresh eyes, I think.

    I have just started looking at games in development again the last few days, tbh.

    CU looks good for sure, I am now watching that, but i think, if it lands as it promises, AoC is probably top for me right now.

    TBH, following mmorpgs was always a waiting game, but hopefully I have missed most of it this time. maybe.
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    edited January 10
    Vesavius said:
    Arterius said:
    Failed promises mostly. 
    eh? How so?

    oh, you mean people are jaded because they have been burned in the past?

    They should have done what i did and taken a break from it all for a while until it started to look fun again.
    No, jaded from promise after promise falling through, deadline after deadline missed to the tune of years.
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,052
    edited January 10
    Kyleran said:
    Vesavius said:
    Arterius said:
    Failed promises mostly. 
    eh? How so?

    oh, you mean people are jaded because they have been burned in the past?

    They should have done what i did and taken a break from it all for a while until it started to look fun again.
    Mostly burnout at this point due the never ending story development is taking. 

    I am CU KSer backer and I knew the 2 year promise date was not likely.

    Never expected to be at the 6 year mark (April) with the game still in beta and no realistic promise date still.

    Crowfall, Star Citizen, Pantheon, etc, all just part of the Song that Doesn't End.

    Let's all sing along....


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  • ArteriusArterius Member EpicPosts: 1,870
    Vesavius said:
    Kyleran said:
    Mostly burnout at this point due the never ending story development is taking. 

    I am CU KSer backer and I knew the 2 year promise date was not likely.

    Never expected to be at the 6 year mark (April) with the game still in beta and no realistic promise date still.

    Crowfall, Star Citizen, Pantheon, etc, all just part of the Song that Doesn't End.


    lol, I do get that, truly, but having a break from following these games over the last few years and just playing EQ in my own little bubble has given me fresh eyes, I think.

    I have just started looking at games in development again the last few days, tbh.

    CU looks good for sure, I am now watching that, but i think, if it lands as it promises, AoC is probably top for me right now.

    TBH, following mmorpgs was always a waiting game, but hopefully I have missed most of it this time. maybe.
    You didn't. Regardless of what the creators of AoC say that game is not coming out in 2019 unless it comes out half baked because they haven't even started alpha 2 tests yet. Which is when they start testing the MMO section of the game. CU is still 3 years away. Maybe 2 if we are lucky. Pantheon is at least 3 years away if we are lucky.
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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 5,734
    Vesavius said:
    Arterius said:
    Failed promises mostly. 
    eh? How so?

    oh, you mean people are jaded because they have been burned in the past?

    They should have done what i did and taken a break from it all for a while until it started to look fun again.
    Good advice. I am taking a break. But I still come here and kvetch. 
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  • parrotpholkparrotpholk Member EpicPosts: 4,602
    Vesavius said:
    Kyleran said:
    Mostly burnout at this point due the never ending story development is taking. 

    I am CU KSer backer and I knew the 2 year promise date was not likely.

    Never expected to be at the 6 year mark (April) with the game still in beta and no realistic promise date still.

    Crowfall, Star Citizen, Pantheon, etc, all just part of the Song that Doesn't End.




    CU looks good for sure, I am now watching that, but i think, if it lands as it promises, AoC is probably top for me right now.

    TBH, following mmorpgs was always a waiting game, but hopefully I have missed most of it this time. maybe.
    It is nice to see someone so upbeat around and just will say you did not miss the wait.  Development time has become a longer and longer process.  AoC you can look around for the info there as it is one I would not actually expect an MMO for a few years if ever.  CU is couple years at this point and by then I would venture no one will care anymore.  Pantheon seems to be picking up steam but likely end of 2020 at best but likely 2021 there.  

    A lot of MMO are being crowdfunded and developers are taking that money and taking their sweet ass time releasing anything at all with no concern or care because we are cows and they are milking away.  There is no publisher holding their feet to the fire.  This would be fine if it meant better games not rushed out but so far that is very very far from the case.
  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,898
    Arterius said:
    Vesavius said:


    TBH, following mmorpgs was always a waiting game, but hopefully I have missed most of it this time. maybe.
    You didn't. Regardless of what the creators of AoC say that game is not coming out in 2019 unless it comes out half baked because they haven't even started alpha 2 tests yet. Which is when they start testing the MMO section of the game. CU is still 3 years away. Maybe 2 if we are lucky. Pantheon is at least 3 years away if we are lucky.

    oh, I am not expecting anything soon, but, hey, on the upside I have cut out of 2 years checking news daily like I used to do. Gotta look on the bright side!
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  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 2,636
    It's nice to see optimism. 

    I'm just a patient gamer that think MMO's are not my cup of tea anymore. I don't follow games in development as it doesn't really matter. Just release the game and then I'll spend 5-10 minutes researching it. 

    No point to check on every update every few months if it is so far from releasing. Like Star Citizen is a game I'd definitely play if it fully released, but I'll just wait until they release it for sure, then I'll spend some time researching it. If I still like it and the reviews are good, I'll pick it up, if not, I won't. 

    No point in researching games until they are close to release any way. 


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  • blamo2000blamo2000 Member RarePosts: 933
    I made a post a little bit ago trying to figure out which games in development were traditional mmorpgs with quests, etc.  The answer I got back from everyone is - none, besides maybe the two superhero mmorpgs being made.

    I'm glad you are excited, but since I can't even name one mmorpg in development besides two possibilities in the superhero genre, I can't join in your excitement.  I wish I could join you.  Is Ashes of Creation a real mmorpg or is it a crafting game with some pvp?  Or a MOBA?  Since I know nothing about it and judging by the comments it has been around for a while I feel safe assuming it isn't a traditional mmorpg.   

    I think this is a wonderful time for people who don't like traditional mmorpgs but love crafting games, games without any or only super lite rpg elements like character development or adult-oriented rpg systems, games made to be watched instead of played, etc.
  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,898
    blamo2000 said:
    Is Ashes of Creation a real mmorpg or is it a crafting game with some pvp?  Or a MOBA?  Since I know nothing about it and judging by the comments it has been around for a while I feel safe assuming it isn't a traditional mmorpg.   

    I think this is a wonderful time for people who don't like traditional mmorpgs but love crafting games, games without any or only super lite rpg elements like character development or adult-oriented rpg systems, games made to be watched instead of played, etc.

    Well, a 'real mmorpg' is not definied by having quests... I am sure a game like Pantheon will have quests though. Did no one mnetion that to you? it's a very traditional mmorpg.

    AoC is far more than the questions you are asking. There is no doubt that it is 100% a mmorpg, not a MOBA. It isn't traditional, no, it is shaking it all up, but like I say... Pantheon, and maybe SoL and others, are there for us when we want a more traditional experience.

    TBH, looking at the most anticipated list on the front page, there seems to be something for most tastes. I am suprised that there is nothing there that interests you... Maybe you are just over MMORPGs in general?
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  • ArteriusArterius Member EpicPosts: 1,870
    Vesavius said:
    blamo2000 said:
    Is Ashes of Creation a real mmorpg or is it a crafting game with some pvp?  Or a MOBA?  Since I know nothing about it and judging by the comments it has been around for a while I feel safe assuming it isn't a traditional mmorpg.   

    I think this is a wonderful time for people who don't like traditional mmorpgs but love crafting games, games without any or only super lite rpg elements like character development or adult-oriented rpg systems, games made to be watched instead of played, etc.

    Well, a 'real mmorpg' is not definied by having quests... I am sure a game like Pantheon will have quests though. Did no one mnetion that to you? it's a very traditional mmorpg.

    AoC is far more than the questions you are asking. There is no doubt that it is 100% a mmorpg, not a MOBA. It isn't traditional, no, it is shaking it all up, but like I say... Pantheon, and maybe SoL and others, are there for us when we want a more traditional experience.

    TBH, looking at the most anticipated list on the front page, there seems to be something for most tastes. I am suprised that there is nothing there that interests you... Maybe you are just over MMORPGs in general?
    There is only two games that I don't kick myself to this day backing. That is Pantheon and Ship Of heroes. Both games have made great improvements and I think will actually come out. Pantheon I can not wait to play in Alpha and Ship of Heroes (though no time line of when people will get to play) has made huge leaps forwards last year. They hope to do even more this year.
  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 2,636
    Arterius said:
    Vesavius said:
    blamo2000 said:
    Is Ashes of Creation a real mmorpg or is it a crafting game with some pvp?  Or a MOBA?  Since I know nothing about it and judging by the comments it has been around for a while I feel safe assuming it isn't a traditional mmorpg.   

    I think this is a wonderful time for people who don't like traditional mmorpgs but love crafting games, games without any or only super lite rpg elements like character development or adult-oriented rpg systems, games made to be watched instead of played, etc.

    Well, a 'real mmorpg' is not definied by having quests... I am sure a game like Pantheon will have quests though. Did no one mnetion that to you? it's a very traditional mmorpg.

    AoC is far more than the questions you are asking. There is no doubt that it is 100% a mmorpg, not a MOBA. It isn't traditional, no, it is shaking it all up, but like I say... Pantheon, and maybe SoL and others, are there for us when we want a more traditional experience.

    TBH, looking at the most anticipated list on the front page, there seems to be something for most tastes. I am suprised that there is nothing there that interests you... Maybe you are just over MMORPGs in general?
    There is only two games that I don't kick myself to this day backing. That is Pantheon and Ship Of heroes. Both games have made great improvements and I think will actually come out. Pantheon I can not wait to play in Alpha and Ship of Heroes (though no time line of when people will get to play) has made huge leaps forwards last year. They hope to do even more this year.

    Why does it matter if you back them? Do you guys extra loot? A head start? What happens if they suck and by the time it comes out will you be even interested in playing the game?


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  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,898
    Arterius said:
    There is only two games that I don't kick myself to this day backing. That is Pantheon and Ship Of heroes.

    Yeah, Pantheon is progressing really well and has a solid crew on it. Ship of Heroes? This is a new one to me... I shall check it out.
  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,826
    See I take a different stance.
     I am not jaded or let down by crowdfunding or whatever. I am just done with the same game with a different skin repeat. Over and over again. The mmorpg never evolved. It just rehashed the same mechanics and gameplay over and over again.  I have been there done that for over 20 years with no real change it has just grown stale for me. There are just other hybrid model games that have come along and taken over and pushed the mmorpg aside. 
    Millions of prior mmorpg players have left the genre behind as the genre could not keep up and continue to change. 
    Many things in life are cyclical so perhaps the mmorpg will reinvent itself at some point but I hardly think it will resemble what many of us from the golden age would recognize. 
    What we once knew is gone.  
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  • ArteriusArterius Member EpicPosts: 1,870
    See I take a different stance.
     I am not jaded or let down by crowdfunding or whatever. I am just done with the same game with a different skin repeat. Over and over again. The mmorpg never evolved. It just rehashed the same mechanics and gameplay over and over again.  I have been there done that for over 20 years with no real change it has just grown stale for me. There are just other hybrid model games that have come along and taken over and pushed the mmorpg aside. 
    Millions of prior mmorpg players have left the genre behind as the genre could not keep up and continue to change. 
    Many things in life are cyclical so perhaps the mmorpg will reinvent itself at some point but I hardly think it will resemble what many of us from the golden age would recognize. 
    What we once knew is gone.  
    This is what made me excited for AoC. It felt like an evolution of the MMO genre. They promised PVE, dungeons, raids, and PVP. Everything I could ever want with new dynamic things that could shake up the MMO genre and now I am scared they will just focus on there BR if it successful. 
  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,898
    I am just done with the same game with a different skin repeat. Over and over again. The mmorpg never evolved. It just rehashed the same mechanics and gameplay over and over again.  I have been there done that for over 20 years with no real change it has just grown stale for me.


    See... What we have is one guy earlier in the thread saying that there are no trad mmorpgs upcoming, which there are, and you saying that it's the same old thing over again, which it isn't.

    There are plenty of fresh ideas on the table in these upcoming games.

    But, it sounds like you are just done with the genre in general, so nothing I am gonna say will chnage that.
  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,826
    Vesavius said:
    I am just done with the same game with a different skin repeat. Over and over again. The mmorpg never evolved. It just rehashed the same mechanics and gameplay over and over again.  I have been there done that for over 20 years with no real change it has just grown stale for me.


    See... What we have is one guy earlier in the thread saying that there are no trad mmorpgs upcoming, which there are, and you saying that it's the same old thing over again, which it isn't.

    There are plenty of fresh ideas on the table in these upcoming games.

    But, it sounds like you are just done with the genre in general, so nothing I am gonna say will chnage that.
    You mean Ashes? Let us see an actual game before you anoint it the savior of a genre. So far it is just a collection of past ideas in a new skin. We have seen them all before. Nothing is real until it is released. 


    Hytale? Look I like the folks at Hypixel studios (Shout out to my buddy Min) but Hytale is not an mmorpg. It is a hybrid model game like I stated earlier. Think a game like NWN. 
    Fun testing though ;)

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  • ArteriusArterius Member EpicPosts: 1,870
    Arterius said:
    Vesavius said:
    blamo2000 said:
    Is Ashes of Creation a real mmorpg or is it a crafting game with some pvp?  Or a MOBA?  Since I know nothing about it and judging by the comments it has been around for a while I feel safe assuming it isn't a traditional mmorpg.   

    I think this is a wonderful time for people who don't like traditional mmorpgs but love crafting games, games without any or only super lite rpg elements like character development or adult-oriented rpg systems, games made to be watched instead of played, etc.

    Well, a 'real mmorpg' is not definied by having quests... I am sure a game like Pantheon will have quests though. Did no one mnetion that to you? it's a very traditional mmorpg.

    AoC is far more than the questions you are asking. There is no doubt that it is 100% a mmorpg, not a MOBA. It isn't traditional, no, it is shaking it all up, but like I say... Pantheon, and maybe SoL and others, are there for us when we want a more traditional experience.

    TBH, looking at the most anticipated list on the front page, there seems to be something for most tastes. I am suprised that there is nothing there that interests you... Maybe you are just over MMORPGs in general?
    There is only two games that I don't kick myself to this day backing. That is Pantheon and Ship Of heroes. Both games have made great improvements and I think will actually come out. Pantheon I can not wait to play in Alpha and Ship of Heroes (though no time line of when people will get to play) has made huge leaps forwards last year. They hope to do even more this year.

    Why does it matter if you back them? Do you guys extra loot? A head start? What happens if they suck and by the time it comes out will you be even interested in playing the game?


    I just want noticeable improvement and for devolpers to stick to there guns. I know development is tricky and things change but Crowfall had so pretty big changes from what there kickstarter said. Not to mention a kind of P2W mentality though this is a very touchy subject because P2W means something different for everyone. You can find a million videos on youtube about if Crowfall is P2W or not. I think it is. 

    I haven't backed many games. Crowfall, Pantheon, Ship of Heroes, and AoC. AoC is different. They have made noticeable improvement's but my fear is the development of the MMO slows down if the BR is a smashing success once it officially launches 24/7. 
  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,898
    You mean Ashes? Let us see an actual game before you anoint it the savior of a genre. So far it is just a collection of past ideas in a new skin. We have seen them all before. Nothing is real until it is released. 


    Hytale? Look I like the folks at Hypixel studios (Shout out to my buddy Min) but Hytale is not an mmorpg. It is a hybrid model game like I stated earlier. Think a game like NWN. 
    Fun testing though ;)


    I didn't anoint AoC anything. I said it has fresh ideas. Don't be that guy. Talk to me in good faith and we will get along a lot better.
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  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,826
    Vesavius said:
    You mean Ashes? Let us see an actual game before you anoint it the savior of a genre. So far it is just a collection of past ideas in a new skin. We have seen them all before. Nothing is real until it is released. 


    Hytale? Look I like the folks at Hypixel studios (Shout out to my buddy Min) but Hytale is not an mmorpg. It is a hybrid model game like I stated earlier. Think a game like NWN. 
    Fun testing though ;)


    I didn't anoint AoC anything. I said it has fresh ideas. Don't be that guy. Talk to me in good faith and we will get along a lot better.
    I think it is cool you are excited for AOC and others, if I remember you were/are an EQ and AA player. 
    Yet it was asked why some think the genre is dead and the answers for many are stated. 
    The truth is good faith. Each have their own truth  ;)
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