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The PC Version of The Division 2 Will be Bypassing Steam - MMORPG.com

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  • ZilverbackZilverback Member CommonPosts: 10
    Phry said:
    Me personally really like Uplay, never had any problems at all with that launcher, especiallly as a longtime The Division player. Also gave a really good 20% discount on my Ultimate edition for Division 2 for just 100 uplay coins... Also really glad they are skipping steam wich i have alot more problems with than Uplay... So only good news at my front :)
    Makes absolutely no sense, if you had problems with The Division on Steam then its a Uplay issue as all it does is launch Uplay anyway. The only difference between the two, is that if The Division 2 pulls a FO76 and goes all Bethesda, then you don't have the 'Steam' safety net of being able to refund the game.
    But if walking an untested tightrope without a safetynet is your thing, good luck!  ;)
    Sorry, think you misunderstood me. I never played The Division on Steam, have only used Uplay for that and never had any problems. I have used Steam for other games and never really liked the platform for personal reasons/preferences...
    Phry
  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 6,145
    Xasapis said:
    Phry said:
    Pretty sure this has absolutely nothing to do with Steams refund policy, nope, nothing at all. 

    The Division 2 is going to be rubbish isn't it, Ubisoft is going full on Bethesda  :o
    This is my fear as well. Not having it on steam means bypassing the consumer friendly refund policy. Not a good sign at all.
    I just mentioned a few comments before this that Epic Games is offering the exact same refund policy that steam offers. You can return any game purchased withing 2 weeks of purchase or before 2 hours of gameplay.
    blueturtle13Phry

  • DarkpigeonDarkpigeon Member UncommonPosts: 28
    Well that's a hard pass for me.
  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 5,713
    Torval said:
    gervaise1 said:
    Gruug said:
    Going through Epic gives UBI more money. Fine and good. But, does that mean that the game itself will be sold at a cheaper price as well? All the benefits go to UBI but none to the players. I don't care either way as I do not plan to purchase Division 2. It was just a thought.
    If they had gone with Steam they would have factored Steam's % into the price and charged more. As said above though the benefit is developers get more, which funds more games, so more choice and competition.
    Disagree with the cost analysis. Sony, Microsoft, and Apple all charge 30% for their cut and release price is always the same across platforms unless they have special bundles or sales. The only time Ubi games are cheaper is when you buy them directly from Uplay which they often do sell cheaper than Steam or PlayStation. PS4 usually gets better deals than PC/Steam does and we know Sony isn't cheap so I can't buy into your theory at all.

    I didn't do an analysis though - I simply stated what companies do. Its actually more complex involving target prices during development, iterations, expected retailer discounts and more but at the end of the day developers set their prices with the intention of making a profit knowing that price is often the single biggest factor in whether people buy a game.

    Historical example. Skyrim launched and sold 7M copies. Bethseda then - very publically - announced that they were reducing the price they charged retailers. And they sold another 13M copies. (More since of course). At price X they sold 7M, at a lower price they sold more. 

    Same deal with ESO as well actually. They said they had it down to 2 options: launch b2p sell a lot or launch with a sub - so more expensive - knowing they would sell less. And we know how that has played out.

    No analysis; simple marketing economics. 



    What may - may - be evolving is a competitive marketplace for digital games. 



    Microsoft, Sony and Apple: we "know" that e.g. console games are typically more expensive than PC games and we know that the reason is that M and S control the platforms. Same deal with A but for mobile of course. 

    What it comes to UPlay though UbiSoft SELL games cheaper through UPlay its the fact that we can BUY UbiSoft games cheaper because Steam sell them for more than UPlay. See the different narrative? 

    (Simplistically) UbiSoft sell games at $X through UPlay and they sell games to Steam at $X and it is Steam who offer them for sale $X + 30%. And as with M, S and A we can decide whether we want to buy from them.

    In the same way that we might buy a can of Heinz beans say from Wal-Mart at one price, Carrefour another, Tesco's another. (Target, Aldi, Lidl etc etc). We "know" that didn't stores might charge different prices and decide what is better for us - go to one next door or drive half-way across town to save a dime. We "know" the game.

    Steam however have become ubiquitous. And yet Steam didn't become what they are today because of the "extras" they offered. They grew because they were cheaper than bricks and mortar stores. We bought from Steam because they were cheaper.

    And whilst developers have launched their own stores - Origin, UPlay etc. - and for lower cost games we have seen the rise of GOG, Humble Bundle and some others Epic is - possibly - the first real challenge that Steam has faced in "forever". Maybe the Discord store as well. And as I said in my first post I wonder whether Epic have done a deal with UbiSoft to help promote their store. The type of thing we "know" that Microsoft and Sony do!


    As I said: maybe - maybe - what might be evolving is a competitive marketplace for digital games. And as you say this may prompt Valve to "do more" for when it comes to refunds etc. that type of stuff is usually driven by what companies have to do by law.
    Darkpigeon
  • BloodaxesBloodaxes Member RarePosts: 4,014
    Would have preferred if they put it in the discord store if I have to be honest. At least it's a program that the majority already have installed.
    Torval

  • berlightberlight Member UncommonPosts: 337
    I never knew there was steam fanbois. New 2019 trent
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  • SBFordSBFord Associate Editor - News ManagerMMORPG.COM Staff LegendaryPosts: 32,120
    Bloodaxes said:
    Would have preferred if they put it in the discord store if I have to be honest. At least it's a program that the majority already have installed.
    And yes, I hate Discord LOL -- I've only used it about a dozen times and only because I had to. :) I still have it installed, but it sits in a dusty corner of my HD. 

    I just don't get the whole "too many launchers" thing. I mean, I'm not a huge fan, but I'm not going to NOT play a game just because it's on Launcher A instead of Launcher B. 

    As to the notion they run in the background hogging up space, all I can say is "Say what?" I'm no genius when it comes to PCs, but even I understand how to stop that from happening. :)

    Lastly, I have the Epic launcher and it never tried to install either version of Fortnite automatically. 
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  • BloodaxesBloodaxes Member RarePosts: 4,014
    SBFord said:
    Bloodaxes said:
    Would have preferred if they put it in the discord store if I have to be honest. At least it's a program that the majority already have installed.
    And yes, I hate Discord LOL -- I've only used it about a dozen times and only because I had to. :) I still have it installed, but it sits in a dusty corner of my HD. 

    I just don't get the whole "too many launchers" thing. I mean, I'm not a huge fan, but I'm not going to NOT play a game just because it's on Launcher A instead of Launcher B. 

    As to the notion they run in the background hogging up space, all I can say is "Say what?" I'm no genius when it comes to PCs, but even I understand how to stop that from happening. :)

    Lastly, I have the Epic launcher and it never tried to install either version of Fortnite automatically. 
    It wouldn't stop me from buying the game (Not that I have any interest in the division series perse), tough I prefer having everything neatly in a single application instead of having to manage multiple ones. 

    I barely use discord too, but I have it installed as it's the go for group calls nowadays (Hence me mentioning it). I assume they went with epic's due to fortnite's success. As if that is going to factor in sales of other games lol.

  • BlueThunderBearBlueThunderBear Member UncommonPosts: 155


    Why do we care about Steam's cut? Either way we're just putting more money into someone's pocket. A pocket that is already full of money.

    Nothing is getting cheaper for us on these other launchers so the best option, for us, is to have it available on whatever platform/launcher we want. 

    Out of all the platforms/launchers out there, Steam is the one that makes PC gaming cheaper for US more often. 



    This is my favorite quote in this entire thread because its the only one that doesnt pretend Steam is the reason we pay so much for games. Not to say Steam shouldn't come down off its high horse and charge less of a percentage, but all thats really happening here is production companies inconveniencing players by forcing them to have multiple unnecessary launchers in order to keep more money for themselves, youd have to be a fool to believe theyll pass those savings to the consumer.
    TorvalCaffynatedalkarionlog
  • PalebanePalebane Member UncommonPosts: 3,483
    edited January 10
    Phry said:
    sgel said:
    I'll be playing it on Uplay since I use that daily for R6:Siege.

    I already have Steam/Uplay/Epic/Bnet and any other launcher needed for any game I'm playing.
    Nothing is "sucking up" my internet in the background and having a few extra shortcuts on the desktop doesn't bother me.

    I can't believe how dramatic some people get.
    The Division also uses Uplay even though its on Steam, you can't avoid that, and honestly that isn't the issue because the resources used are negligible, if it affects your performance then running the game would be an issue regardless. No, this is about money and the possibility that its being done to avoid players being able to make use of Steams refund policy, which is far superior to that of Uplay's.
    Of course reducing players ability to get a refund is just 'drama' and they should just suck it up right  :p
    Or... wait for reviews and make an informed decision. I dont think the refund policy is for FOMO regret. Of course if games are going to offer pre purchases on digital sales, they should have a very lax refund policy, imo, which would most likely completely negate any financial reason to offer pre purchases on digital sales.
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  • Gobstopper3DGobstopper3D Member RarePosts: 814
    I didn't care for the first Division game.  This one looks to be a little better, but I will have to wait and see once it's been out for a bit.  If I do decide to get it, it will be via Uplay.  I wouldn't go through Epic even if it was the only way to get it.  They are great for developers, but not so much for consumers.

    I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.

  • makina2010makina2010 Member UncommonPosts: 16
    I understand their decision. UPlay was working very well for me, when I was playing TD, Rainbow Six.
    Second why should they bother with Steam?
    To handle 2 different forums?
    To be trolled with bad revives via Steam?
    To share the profit, while having a good working game launcher?

    Steam is not the main game hub. It's a game hub.
    It's like saying, " I wont play BF because it's not on Steam and it's on Origin ". If you like a game or want to try/play it doesn't really matter the launcher.

    Same as this: I'm a PC player. But that didn't stop me to buy a console and play Destiny.
  • CaffynatedCaffynated Member RarePosts: 415
    Why is this site shilling so hard for Epic? How much are they paying you for this shameless hype? Why isn't it clearly marked as sponsored content?

    berlight said:
    I never knew there was steam fanbois. New 2019 trent
    It's not about being a Steam fanboi. It's about not wanting to be inconvenienced.

    Imagine it's 1999 instead of 2019. You want to buy a game, but some dimwit has decided that they are going to make their new title an EBgames exclusive, and it won't be available at Walmart, Best Buy or any other outlet. You don't shop at EBGames because the clerk smells bad and it's out of your way, but if you want that new exclusive you're going to have to put up with it.

    We're saying "no" and "FU" to this. We're not going to put up with it and we're giving their new game a hard pass.
    parrotpholk
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 26,051
    edited January 10
    Why is this site shilling so hard for Epic? How much are they paying you for this shameless hype? Why isn't it clearly marked as sponsored content?

    berlight said:
    I never knew there was steam fanbois. New 2019 trent
    It's not about being a Steam fanboi. It's about not wanting to be inconvenienced.


    So it's ok for you to say it's not about being "Steam fanboi" and surely not being paid by Steam but this site has to be shilling if they report regular news?

    Since Epic has a new service and launcher then no one should report on it?

    I'm going with you and everyone who likes Steam are being paid by Valve.

    Yup, totally it, couldn't possibly be anything else. Totally paid. Totally.

    Personally love Steam so I'm being paid too.


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  • OtomoxOtomox Member UncommonPosts: 303



    Otomox said:

    No Steam, no buy just easy as that. They can keep theire crap online Stores for them.

    Just curious but if this becomes a trend that developers ignore Steam more and more which is a possibility then will you also ignore all those games?  

    It is just a launcher and do not understand the angst over it not being on Steam I guess.  Personally at 30% more developers will want to keep their money now that there is an alternative.  A few big titles decide to not launch on Steam and that is all it will take for others to follow.



    It´s Valve. Do u really think Gabe Newell won´t flex his muscles, if epic get any real success
  • CaffynatedCaffynated Member RarePosts: 415
    Sovrath said:
    Why is this site shilling so hard for Epic? How much are they paying you for this shameless hype? Why isn't it clearly marked as sponsored content?

    berlight said:
    I never knew there was steam fanbois. New 2019 trent
    It's not about being a Steam fanboi. It's about not wanting to be inconvenienced.


    So it's ok for you to say it's not about being "Steam fanboi" and surely not being paid by Steam but this site has to be shilling if they report regular news?

    Since Epic has a new service and launcher then no one should report on it?

    I'm going with you and everyone who likes Steam are being paid by Valve.

    Yup, totally it, couldn't possibly be anything else. Totally paid. Totally.

    Personally love Steam so I'm being paid too.


    *insert Billy Madison Academic Decathlon video here*

    This site has run repeated stories openly cheer leading for Epic's new store, hyping it up, asking "is this the end of Steam!?!?", SBFord goes through the comments and agrees with people hyping Epic and doomsdaying Steam, etc. It's pretty obvious what's going on to anyone with eyes to see and a brain to think.

    I don't care that Epic exists. I don't care if people like it. Good for them, hope it works well for you, and I hope they're successful.

    What I don't like is the exclusive nonsense. If Mrs. Baird's stops selling their bread at the store I go to, I'm not going to follow them to another store. I'm going to stop buying their bread. Plenty of bread in the ocean and all that jazz.

    I mainly use Steam (sometimes GoG if the deals are good), because it has the best features, layout, policies, prices and services. If you want to unseat them do it by being better than them. Offer more features, lower prices, faster downloads, and better service. I will happily move to a better product.

    If your only way of drawing business is by getting exclusive titles, then I'm just not going to buy those exclusive titles and I'm not going to move to your platform.
  • parrotpholkparrotpholk Member EpicPosts: 4,439
    Sovrath said:
    Why is this site shilling so hard for Epic? How much are they paying you for this shameless hype? Why isn't it clearly marked as sponsored content?

    berlight said:
    I never knew there was steam fanbois. New 2019 trent
    It's not about being a Steam fanboi. It's about not wanting to be inconvenienced.


    So it's ok for you to say it's not about being "Steam fanboi" and surely not being paid by Steam but this site has to be shilling if they report regular news?

    Since Epic has a new service and launcher then no one should report on it?

    I'm going with you and everyone who likes Steam are being paid by Valve.

    Yup, totally it, couldn't possibly be anything else. Totally paid. Totally.

    Personally love Steam so I'm being paid too.



    If your only way of drawing business is by getting exclusive titles, then I'm just not going to buy those exclusive titles and I'm not going to move to your platform.
    So guess playing consoles is out for you with that kind of view point.


    Netflix must be out as well since you cannot watch Stranger Things on Hulu or one of the other streaming services but then damn can only see Marvel Runaways on Hulu so the big streaming services must be out.  Never watch you tube because damn they have exclusives like the Karate Kid to draw people in from other services as well.

    If this is the type of thing that would bother you then I salute the principals you live by and the fact you do not participate in literally anything.
    gervaise1
  • FonclFoncl Member UncommonPosts: 347
    *insert Billy Madison Academic Decathlon video here*

    This site has run repeated stories openly cheer leading for Epic's new store, hyping it up, asking "is this the end of Steam!?!?", SBFord goes through the comments and agrees with people hyping Epic and doomsdaying Steam, etc. It's pretty obvious what's going on to anyone with eyes to see and a brain to think.

    I don't care that Epic exists. I don't care if people like it. Good for them, hope it works well for you, and I hope they're successful.

    What I don't like is the exclusive nonsense. If Mrs. Baird's stops selling their bread at the store I go to, I'm not going to follow them to another store. I'm going to stop buying their bread. Plenty of bread in the ocean and all that jazz.

    I mainly use Steam (sometimes GoG if the deals are good), because it has the best features, layout, policies, prices and services. If you want to unseat them do it by being better than them. Offer more features, lower prices, faster downloads, and better service. I will happily move to a better product.

    If your only way of drawing business is by getting exclusive titles, then I'm just not going to buy those exclusive titles and I'm not going to move to your platform.
    Are you sure it's because of Epic that some games are exclusive in their store? Maybe it's simply developers who prefer selling their game on a platform where they get a bigger share of the revenue?

    Epic are just getting started, it's going to take some time to catch up to Steam which has been out for 16-17 years.

    I like both platforms and I think the competition will bring good things for developers and consumers, Steam needed a real challenger imo.

    gervaise1parrotpholkTacticalZombeh
  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 9,729
    Sovrath said:
    Why is this site shilling so hard for Epic? How much are they paying you for this shameless hype? Why isn't it clearly marked as sponsored content?

    berlight said:
    I never knew there was steam fanbois. New 2019 trent
    It's not about being a Steam fanboi. It's about not wanting to be inconvenienced.


    So it's ok for you to say it's not about being "Steam fanboi" and surely not being paid by Steam but this site has to be shilling if they report regular news?

    Since Epic has a new service and launcher then no one should report on it?

    I'm going with you and everyone who likes Steam are being paid by Valve.

    Yup, totally it, couldn't possibly be anything else. Totally paid. Totally.

    Personally love Steam so I'm being paid too.


    *insert Billy Madison Academic Decathlon video here*

    This site has run repeated stories openly cheer leading for Epic's new store, hyping it up, asking "is this the end of Steam!?!?", SBFord goes through the comments and agrees with people hyping Epic and doomsdaying Steam, etc. It's pretty obvious what's going on to anyone with eyes to see and a brain to think.

    I don't care that Epic exists. I don't care if people like it. Good for them, hope it works well for you, and I hope they're successful.

    What I don't like is the exclusive nonsense. If Mrs. Baird's stops selling their bread at the store I go to, I'm not going to follow them to another store. I'm going to stop buying their bread. Plenty of bread in the ocean and all that jazz.

    I mainly use Steam (sometimes GoG if the deals are good), because it has the best features, layout, policies, prices and services. If you want to unseat them do it by being better than them. Offer more features, lower prices, faster downloads, and better service. I will happily move to a better product.

    If your only way of drawing business is by getting exclusive titles, then I'm just not going to buy those exclusive titles and I'm not going to move to your platform.
    Steam has more Steam exclusives than Epic Games Store, Origin, GoG and Uplay combined.

    Are you going to leave Steam because you don't like that exclusive nonsense?
    TacticalZombeh




  • CaffynatedCaffynated Member RarePosts: 415
    edited January 10
    Sovrath said:
    Why is this site shilling so hard for Epic? How much are they paying you for this shameless hype? Why isn't it clearly marked as sponsored content?

    berlight said:
    I never knew there was steam fanbois. New 2019 trent
    It's not about being a Steam fanboi. It's about not wanting to be inconvenienced.


    So it's ok for you to say it's not about being "Steam fanboi" and surely not being paid by Steam but this site has to be shilling if they report regular news?

    Since Epic has a new service and launcher then no one should report on it?

    I'm going with you and everyone who likes Steam are being paid by Valve.

    Yup, totally it, couldn't possibly be anything else. Totally paid. Totally.

    Personally love Steam so I'm being paid too.



    If your only way of drawing business is by getting exclusive titles, then I'm just not going to buy those exclusive titles and I'm not going to move to your platform.
    So guess playing consoles is out for you with that kind of view point.


    Netflix must be out as well since you cannot watch Stranger Things on Hulu or one of the other streaming services but then damn can only see Marvel Runaways on Hulu so the big streaming services must be out.  Never watch you tube because damn they have exclusives like the Karate Kid to draw people in from other services as well.

    If this is the type of thing that would bother you then I salute the principals you live by and the fact you do not participate in literally anything.
    *Billy Madison video*

    I haven't purchased a console since 2003.

    I use Netflix as it is the best video on demand service available. I do not use the others as their selection, services and prices are weaker (Amazon and DirectTVNow are especially bad). No amount of exclusives will draw me to their platform, but building a better than Netflix would draw me away.
    Foncl said:
    *insert Billy Madison Academic Decathlon video here*

    This site has run repeated stories openly cheer leading for Epic's new store, hyping it up, asking "is this the end of Steam!?!?", SBFord goes through the comments and agrees with people hyping Epic and doomsdaying Steam, etc. It's pretty obvious what's going on to anyone with eyes to see and a brain to think.

    I don't care that Epic exists. I don't care if people like it. Good for them, hope it works well for you, and I hope they're successful.

    What I don't like is the exclusive nonsense. If Mrs. Baird's stops selling their bread at the store I go to, I'm not going to follow them to another store. I'm going to stop buying their bread. Plenty of bread in the ocean and all that jazz.

    I mainly use Steam (sometimes GoG if the deals are good), because it has the best features, layout, policies, prices and services. If you want to unseat them do it by being better than them. Offer more features, lower prices, faster downloads, and better service. I will happily move to a better product.

    If your only way of drawing business is by getting exclusive titles, then I'm just not going to buy those exclusive titles and I'm not going to move to your platform.
    Are you sure it's because of Epic that some games are exclusive in their store? Maybe it's simply developers who prefer selling their game on a platform where they get a bigger share of the revenue?

    Epic are just getting started, it's going to take some time to catch up to Steam which has been out for 16-17 years.

    I like both platforms and I think the competition will bring good things for developers and consumers, Steam needed a real challenger imo.

    Valid argument, but I don't see it that way. Epic's lower cut, waived fee for using their engine on sales from their store, and giving developers control over their store page so they can hide negative reviews is clearly intended to not just entice people to use the Epic store, but to use it exclusively.

    I hope that competition does make both services better. Steam has certainly been slacking and isn't perfect by any stretch. Comparing the last few years of lazy winter sales to the amazing ones they used to have that they clearly put a lot of time into (I remember one year they had a Christmas story book filled with entire publisher catalogues on sale on each page with custom art) it's clear they needed a boot to the shorts to get them running again.
  • AlverantAlverant Member RarePosts: 1,065
    The question we really need to ask is "if the game is shitty, who is most likely to give us our money back?"
    Phry
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 26,051
    edited January 10

    *insert Billy Madison Academic Decathlon video here*

    This site has run repeated stories openly cheer leading for Epic's new store, hyping it up, asking "is this the end of Steam!?!?", SBFord goes through the comments and agrees with people hyping Epic and doomsdaying Steam, etc. It's pretty obvious what's going on to anyone with eyes to see and a brain to think.

    I don't care that Epic exists. I don't care if people like it. Good for them, hope it works well for you, and I hope they're successful.

    What I don't like is the exclusive nonsense. If Mrs. Baird's stops selling their bread at the store I go to, I'm not going to follow them to another store. I'm going to stop buying their bread. Plenty of bread in the ocean and all that jazz.

    I mainly use Steam (sometimes GoG if the deals are good), because it has the best features, layout, policies, prices and services. If you want to unseat them do it by being better than them. Offer more features, lower prices, faster downloads, and better service. I will happily move to a better product.

    If your only way of drawing business is by getting exclusive titles, then I'm just not going to buy those exclusive titles and I'm not going to move to your platform.
    When SBFord says things like that, it's more personal opinion and less "mmorpg.com party line."

    I'm not sure she ever agreed that "it was the END of Steam." I can see her agreeing that it was the end of a seeming monopoly or that competition was good but "end of steam" seems like Hyperbole. I remember the thread and don't ever remember that.

    If there are people at mmorpg.com "openly cheering" Epic's new store then they are doing so because they like the idea of a new store. And for some people, taking less of a developer's earnings seems to be a plus.

    but let's see:

    "I don't think what he wrote is speculating on how many copies it would have sold on Epic, but more to illustrate how big a difference there is between 12% of revenue taken for distribution over 30%. It's more than double and to a small studio, that can be massive.

    At this rate, more and more new games -- heck, maybe even "old" games -- will shift to Epic. 

    I wonder if games that are currently on Steam will remain there even if devs decide to publish on Epic for newer games? I can't imagine current Steam games suddenly moving to Epic -- I mean, what would happen to player data (progression, characters, purchases, etc.)?"

    "I simply interpreted much of what he said as being written to illustrate what a huge difference 12% of sales and 30% of sales is and what a massive difference the extra cash can make to small and indie studios. Perhaps that's too simplistic, but putting abstract numbers to it in a theoretical way was enlightening to me."


    Doesn't speak to me of thinking it's the end of Steam.

    And it's ok that a site dedicated to video games talks about and even lauds a new platform for video game sales.

    Because, if we start saying that everyone who speaks well of a developer, a game, a game product is taking cash then I can easily find most of us praising one thing or another in an "above and beyond way."

    Here is an article on Massively asking if Steam can remain on top:


    I don't believe they are shills either. As players (and for some, "gamers") we need to do more thinking and less reacting/hyperbole. It paints the hobby and its participants in a bad light when we star "tin foil hatting."









    LokeroTacticalZombeh



  • MisterZebubMisterZebub Member EpicPosts: 3,290
    SBFord said:
    Bloodaxes said:
    Would have preferred if they put it in the discord store if I have to be honest. At least it's a program that the majority already have installed.
    And yes, I hate Discord LOL -- I've only used it about a dozen times and only because I had to. :) I still have it installed, but it sits in a dusty corner of my HD. 

    I just don't get the whole "too many launchers" thing. I mean, I'm not a huge fan, but I'm not going to NOT play a game just because it's on Launcher A instead of Launcher B. 

    As to the notion they run in the background hogging up space, all I can say is "Say what?" I'm no genius when it comes to PCs, but even I understand how to stop that from happening. :)

    Lastly, I have the Epic launcher and it never tried to install either version of Fortnite automatically. 
    I personally don't enjoy having to install a totally unnecessary game launcher on my computer to play a game. I've felt like this since steam first launched. However that isn't what get's up my nose about the whole issue. Its that these companies are pushing for multiple stores, where their games will be exclusively sold. Which means if I want to buy a game from a certain company there's a good chance I'll have to purchase it from a store I simply do not trust as it will be an exclusive. In the age of rampant cybercrime/web site hacking, having to give my credit card info out to more companies is not a plus to me and will keep me from buying a game I might otherwise have enjoyed. Add to this when you use a game store service you don't own your games, you merely rent them, so if something nefarious does happen and your account gets hacked/banned then kiss your games library for that platform goodbye. No thank you.
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  • LokeroLokero Member RarePosts: 1,391
    Valid argument, but I don't see it that way. Epic's lower cut, waived fee for using their engine on sales from their store, and giving developers control over their store page so they can hide negative reviews is clearly intended to not just entice people to use the Epic store, but to use it exclusively.

    I hope that competition does make both services better. Steam has certainly been slacking and isn't perfect by any stretch. Comparing the last few years of lazy winter sales to the amazing ones they used to have that they clearly put a lot of time into (I remember one year they had a Christmas story book filled with entire publisher catalogues on sale on each page with custom art) it's clear they needed a boot to the shorts to get them running again.
    I agree that launcher-exclusives are something I don't typically want.  But, at this point, there's so many of them, that it's ridiculous to attack Epic for doing the same thing everyone else is already doing.  All of the various launchers(Ubi, Origin, Steam, etc.) have exclusives.
    Although, it is worth griping about the Epic boss hypocritically doing the very thing he was complaining about.

    I, for one, have always rather despised Steam.  So, I welcome more competition.  But, so far, Epic's launcher definitely has a long way to go on feature support.  It's very bare-bones.  According to their roadmap, it'll be late into 2019(Q3 or Q4) before they fully implement everything.
    And, so far, they only have like 20 games on their store.  The fact that there's so much uproar over the few exclusives and miniscule amount of games they have tells me that this is a great shakeup in the market and should give Steam a much-needed kick in their rear.

    Even though exclusives kind of suck, it's the only real way for a new platform to get any traction and break into the market from scratch.  If every single game is available on Steam, people aren't likely to look around at other services, due to basic human nature.  People don't often welcome change in their routine.
    It will be interesting to see just how far the exclusivity goes with the EGS, though.  Developers will be far more open to EGS due to the fact Epic is effectively their colleagues and friends in the dev world.  Also, many developers are actively using Epic's very own engine, so supporting Epic actually supports their own dev environment for some studios.

    As has been mentioned in this thread already, if people hate the state of things, then go launch petitions at Steam to offer better developer pricing.  Emigration from their service is happening because better offers are being made available to the studios.
    The ball is in Steam's hands to convince developers to stick with them over competition.
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 18,701
    Alverant said:
    The question we really need to ask is "if the game is shitty, who is most likely to give us our money back?"
    If the answer is both then the question changes. What is the experience like, how easy is it to find and run the games I want? Can I play with my friends? How are technical support, updates, and downloads?

    In the long run why will people want to use the platform outside of forced exclusives? PlayStation exclusives work because of what they are, not the fact that Sony has exclusives. Microsoft has some exclusives too but they aren't nearly as popular or successful. After the exclusives why do people stay? PlayStation has great feature integration into their platform and everyone can play together regardless where you bought the game. Imagine buying The Division 2 for PlayStation on Amazon but only being able to play with other Amazon purchasers instead everyone. That's what Windows gaming is like right now.
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