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The PC Version of The Division 2 Will be Bypassing Steam - MMORPG.com

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  • SamhaelSamhael Member RarePosts: 1,238
    I bought several Ubi games via Steam -- usually Assassin's Creed but also the first Division. In EVERY case, it also installed Ubiplay and so it's on my PC. Last time I bought an Ubi game it was Ghost Recon: Wildlands (totally awesome game) and I had researched enough that I was willing to pay Ubi the price directly rather than give Steam 30%. With the issues from the original Div, I'm not in a hurry to purchase Div 2 until I read some reviews from trusted sources. Launch state wasn't so hot for #1 and Ubi is usually sort of weak with newly launched multiplayer games. But I'm most likely not in a rush until/unless my old gaming pals decide they *must* all play at launch.
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  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,292
    Gruug said:
    Going through Epic gives UBI more money. Fine and good. But, does that mean that the game itself will be sold at a cheaper price as well? All the benefits go to UBI but none to the players. I don't care either way as I do not plan to purchase Division 2. It was just a thought.
    If they had gone with Steam they would have factored Steam's % into the price and charged more. As said above though the benefit is developers get more, which funds more games, so more choice and competition.
  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,292
    edited January 10
    Why do we care about Steam's cut? Either way we're just putting more money into someone's pocket. A pocket that is already full of money.

    Nothing is getting cheaper for us on these other launchers so the best option, for us, is to have it available on whatever platform/launcher we want. 

    Out of all the platforms/launchers out there, Steam is the one that makes PC gaming cheaper for US more often. 
    As I said above they may have charged more if they had released on Steam (as well).

    Developers will run some numbers: if we charge $X we might sell N; charge more probably sell less;  charge less probably sell more. And come up with a price they hope will cover their costs, have enough money to make another game and even make a profit. 

    Whether they get there numbers right - who knows. One thing is for sure though: the numbers will look a lot better without a 30% charge. Hence it may well be "cheaper" than it might otherwise have been.


  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 6,540
    Well, since Epic Games is offering the exact same refund policy, I'm afraid Steam has no choice. Either they will have to match Epic Game's pricing or they'll be closing up shop.
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,660
    edited January 10
    gervaise1 said:
    Gruug said:
    Going through Epic gives UBI more money. Fine and good. But, does that mean that the game itself will be sold at a cheaper price as well? All the benefits go to UBI but none to the players. I don't care either way as I do not plan to purchase Division 2. It was just a thought.
    If they had gone with Steam they would have factored Steam's % into the price and charged more. As said above though the benefit is developers get more, which funds more games, so more choice and competition.
    Disagree with the cost analysis. Sony, Microsoft, and Apple all charge 30% for their cut and release price is always the same across platforms unless they have special bundles or sales. The only time Ubi games are cheaper is when you buy them directly from Uplay which they often do sell cheaper than Steam or PlayStation. PS4 usually gets better deals than PC/Steam does and we know Sony isn't cheap so I can't buy into your theory at all.

    Some people are a little confused. You have to install Uplay no matter if you're on Steam or PlayStation. It's their in house DRM. Uplay features are baked into the games on PlayStation. On Steam you must install the Uplay app and sign into your account.

    Personally I think some players in the industry are trying to break Steam. I mean after all the bullshit Sweeney shoveled at us about Microsoft and vendor lockin he's trying to pull the same thing.

    I don't mind them lighting a fire under Valve's ass and making them work a little harder. Put some effort into the Source engine, put some effort into a few titles (an half-assed TCG doesn't cut it), keep working on real platform independence, and pay attention to your customers.

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  • OG_ZorvanOG_Zorvan Member EpicPosts: 1,851
    Gaben's roly poly ass will never have to work for anything again for the rest of his life even if Valve and Steam were to both unceremoniously shut down right this minute. Do you think he really cares? lol


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  • spankybusspankybus Member UncommonPosts: 1,366
    Competition always benefits the consumer. Exclusivity sucks with Consoles. It will suck with PC, as well. Hope Steam wakes the eff up.
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  • Panserbjorne39Panserbjorne39 Member UncommonPosts: 142
    edited January 10
    I don't f give a shit about steams percentage and their relationship to indie devs, aaa devs, or Dev down at the Indian market on the corner. Not my concern. I am concerned about steam and me, and well, almost all my games are bought through steam because they run mega good sales regularly and if I don't like it or have buyers remorse, easy instant refund. I don't have any special affinity for steam other than they currently suit my needs as a cheap gamer who never pays retail for anything.
    I tried using GoG galaxy for about an hour. Bought a game. Game wouldn't run. Tried to get a refund. Serj told me no refund unless I jump through half a dozen bullshit hoops. Told Serj to pound sand and uninstalled and will never deal with GOG again other than torrenting their DRM free games that is. With all that said, Division 2 won't be on steam so I won't be buying it in a year or two when it's on a 40% off sale. Oh well. I'm sure there will be something else to play.
  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Pretty sure this has absolutely nothing to do with Steams refund policy, nope, nothing at all. 

    The Division 2 is going to be rubbish isn't it, Ubisoft is going full on Bethesda  :o
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  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    Half Life 3 exclusively on Steam > Division 2 exclusively on blah blah blah

    All jokes aside it all boils down to who provides the best situation for the consumer. I wonder which platform works out better when a developer releases some rubbish though? I'm sure the developer will call it down the middle.  :D
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  • XasapisXasapis Member RarePosts: 6,337
    Phry said:
    Pretty sure this has absolutely nothing to do with Steams refund policy, nope, nothing at all. 

    The Division 2 is going to be rubbish isn't it, Ubisoft is going full on Bethesda  :o
    This is my fear as well. Not having it on steam means bypassing the consumer friendly refund policy. Not a good sign at all.
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  • sgelsgel Member EpicPosts: 2,113
    I'll be playing it on Uplay since I use that daily for R6:Siege.

    I already have Steam/Uplay/Epic/Bnet and any other launcher needed for any game I'm playing.
    Nothing is "sucking up" my internet in the background and having a few extra shortcuts on the desktop doesn't bother me.

    I can't believe how dramatic some people get.
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  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    sgel said:
    I'll be playing it on Uplay since I use that daily for R6:Siege.

    I already have Steam/Uplay/Epic/Bnet and any other launcher needed for any game I'm playing.
    Nothing is "sucking up" my internet in the background and having a few extra shortcuts on the desktop doesn't bother me.

    I can't believe how dramatic some people get.
    The Division also uses Uplay even though its on Steam, you can't avoid that, and honestly that isn't the issue because the resources used are negligible, if it affects your performance then running the game would be an issue regardless. No, this is about money and the possibility that its being done to avoid players being able to make use of Steams refund policy, which is far superior to that of Uplay's.
    Of course reducing players ability to get a refund is just 'drama' and they should just suck it up right  :p
  • newbismxnewbismx Member UncommonPosts: 145
    I dont care about this game in particular but think theres an interesting conversation going on regarding Steam and what looks like an effort for many studios to move away from them in favor of their own launchers. Couple that with new competition and Steam has to be feeling the hurt. 

    The 30% or whatever that Steam takes off the top is insane tbh- This is a higher markup than most physical products in a brick and mortar store and those stores actually have to use shelf space as opposed to just digital. I'm sure there will be many more companies jumping ship if/when a real alternative comes around.

    I personally love Steam. Have hundreds of games, a decent amount of friends im linked up with and feel that I always get a solid deal thanks to sales- I prefer one launcher, one friends list and 1 place for everything but realistically know that we are at the end of that 'era' and soon there will be many games I want that will require a separate launcher- For now I havnt really come across that issue.

    I saw a comment or two regarding the fact that MMO players should be used to having different launchers- And thats true but this is far more complex. This is a friends list (I leave steam running 24/7 and am always PMing with people I game with or joining games I see my friends are in), a forum and potentially a reputation...Having multiple services is going to fracture the community even if you stay exclusively to steam.

    So yeah- It sucks but its going to happen and if theres a game I really want to play i'll be having to have a myriad of launchers. Not going to particularly like it but it is what it is.


  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 11,753
    Every major gaming company is opposed to steam, Steam takes some their profit and they all wish their own game selling app was doing better. I don't see this being due to a concern about refunds, but time will tell. As always wait for the reviews before you buy.
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  • sgelsgel Member EpicPosts: 2,113
    Phry said:
    sgel said:
    I'll be playing it on Uplay since I use that daily for R6:Siege.

    I already have Steam/Uplay/Epic/Bnet and any other launcher needed for any game I'm playing.
    Nothing is "sucking up" my internet in the background and having a few extra shortcuts on the desktop doesn't bother me.

    I can't believe how dramatic some people get.
    The Division also uses Uplay even though its on Steam, you can't avoid that, and honestly that isn't the issue because the resources used are negligible, if it affects your performance then running the game would be an issue regardless. No, this is about money and the possibility that its being done to avoid players being able to make use of Steams refund policy, which is far superior to that of Uplay's.
    Of course reducing players ability to get a refund is just 'drama' and they should just suck it up right  :p
    I got a refund from Epic 2 years after I bought UE because they changed the pricing scheme (I didn't even ask for one). With that refund I bought Paragon, which was also refunded to me when they stopped development a few years down the line (again without even asking for a refund).

    So my experience with Epic's refund policy is absolutely fine. 
    I've never had to refund a steam game but I'm sure theirs is fine as well.

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  • XasapisXasapis Member RarePosts: 6,337
    I've seen some discussion on twitter from developers on how steam player reviews are bad and how damaging review bombing is and how they wished they could dictate whether they would have player reviews on their games or not.

    So lets reflect about it for a second. Having no player reviews. On Steam. And go by just whatever story the developers both indy and AAA want to push. 

    This is the current state of the Epic store. Enticing for developers (who wants criticism, right?) and repulsive for consumers.
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  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    sgel said:
    Phry said:
    sgel said:
    I'll be playing it on Uplay since I use that daily for R6:Siege.

    I already have Steam/Uplay/Epic/Bnet and any other launcher needed for any game I'm playing.
    Nothing is "sucking up" my internet in the background and having a few extra shortcuts on the desktop doesn't bother me.

    I can't believe how dramatic some people get.
    The Division also uses Uplay even though its on Steam, you can't avoid that, and honestly that isn't the issue because the resources used are negligible, if it affects your performance then running the game would be an issue regardless. No, this is about money and the possibility that its being done to avoid players being able to make use of Steams refund policy, which is far superior to that of Uplay's.
    Of course reducing players ability to get a refund is just 'drama' and they should just suck it up right  :p
    I got a refund from Epic 2 years after I bought UE because they changed the pricing scheme (I didn't even ask for one). With that refund I bought Paragon, which was also refunded to me when they stopped development a few years down the line (again without even asking for a refund).

    So my experience with Epic's refund policy is absolutely fine. 
    I've never had to refund a steam game but I'm sure theirs is fine as well.

    Those were paid for by Fortnite, but i wouldn't compare Epic games willingness to pay out for games they made themselves, with them doing the same thing for games they did not. I seriously doubt that Uplays refund policy is anything near as consumer friendly as that of Steam. ;)
  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,177
    Tiller said:
    Satisfactory is also not going to be on Steam as originally thought and only on Epic games. I'm wondering if this may be the beginning of the end for Steam.
    Not to put too fine a point on it, but what exactly do you mean by "the end" for Steam? Like steam shutting down or steam having to change their policy?


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  • sgelsgel Member EpicPosts: 2,113
    Phry said:
    sgel said:
    Phry said:
    sgel said:
    I'll be playing it on Uplay since I use that daily for R6:Siege.

    I already have Steam/Uplay/Epic/Bnet and any other launcher needed for any game I'm playing.
    Nothing is "sucking up" my internet in the background and having a few extra shortcuts on the desktop doesn't bother me.

    I can't believe how dramatic some people get.
    The Division also uses Uplay even though its on Steam, you can't avoid that, and honestly that isn't the issue because the resources used are negligible, if it affects your performance then running the game would be an issue regardless. No, this is about money and the possibility that its being done to avoid players being able to make use of Steams refund policy, which is far superior to that of Uplay's.
    Of course reducing players ability to get a refund is just 'drama' and they should just suck it up right  :p
    I got a refund from Epic 2 years after I bought UE because they changed the pricing scheme (I didn't even ask for one). With that refund I bought Paragon, which was also refunded to me when they stopped development a few years down the line (again without even asking for a refund).

    So my experience with Epic's refund policy is absolutely fine. 
    I've never had to refund a steam game but I'm sure theirs is fine as well.

    Those were paid for by Fortnite, but i wouldn't compare Epic games willingness to pay out for games they made themselves, with them doing the same thing for games they did not. I seriously doubt that Uplays refund policy is anything near as consumer friendly as that of Steam. ;)
    It probably isn't. That doesn't mean I won't buy a game that isn't on Steam.
    I usually try before I buy hence I'm not that worried about getting refunds.

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  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    sgel said:
    Phry said:
    sgel said:
    Phry said:
    sgel said:
    I'll be playing it on Uplay since I use that daily for R6:Siege.

    I already have Steam/Uplay/Epic/Bnet and any other launcher needed for any game I'm playing.
    Nothing is "sucking up" my internet in the background and having a few extra shortcuts on the desktop doesn't bother me.

    I can't believe how dramatic some people get.
    The Division also uses Uplay even though its on Steam, you can't avoid that, and honestly that isn't the issue because the resources used are negligible, if it affects your performance then running the game would be an issue regardless. No, this is about money and the possibility that its being done to avoid players being able to make use of Steams refund policy, which is far superior to that of Uplay's.
    Of course reducing players ability to get a refund is just 'drama' and they should just suck it up right  :p
    I got a refund from Epic 2 years after I bought UE because they changed the pricing scheme (I didn't even ask for one). With that refund I bought Paragon, which was also refunded to me when they stopped development a few years down the line (again without even asking for a refund).

    So my experience with Epic's refund policy is absolutely fine. 
    I've never had to refund a steam game but I'm sure theirs is fine as well.

    Those were paid for by Fortnite, but i wouldn't compare Epic games willingness to pay out for games they made themselves, with them doing the same thing for games they did not. I seriously doubt that Uplays refund policy is anything near as consumer friendly as that of Steam. ;)
    It probably isn't. That doesn't mean I won't buy a game that isn't on Steam.
    I usually try before I buy hence I'm not that worried about getting refunds.
    I really wish they would bring back free trials for games, more often than not entirely reliant on youtube videos etc. to give a more 'unbiased' and 'hype free' example of actual gameplay.
    That Steam offers a under 2 hour playing the game refund option is probably the closest we currently have to that. :/
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  • sgelsgel Member EpicPosts: 2,113
    Phry said:
    sgel said:
    Phry said:
    sgel said:
    Phry said:
    sgel said:
    I'll be playing it on Uplay since I use that daily for R6:Siege.

    I already have Steam/Uplay/Epic/Bnet and any other launcher needed for any game I'm playing.
    Nothing is "sucking up" my internet in the background and having a few extra shortcuts on the desktop doesn't bother me.

    I can't believe how dramatic some people get.
    The Division also uses Uplay even though its on Steam, you can't avoid that, and honestly that isn't the issue because the resources used are negligible, if it affects your performance then running the game would be an issue regardless. No, this is about money and the possibility that its being done to avoid players being able to make use of Steams refund policy, which is far superior to that of Uplay's.
    Of course reducing players ability to get a refund is just 'drama' and they should just suck it up right  :p
    I got a refund from Epic 2 years after I bought UE because they changed the pricing scheme (I didn't even ask for one). With that refund I bought Paragon, which was also refunded to me when they stopped development a few years down the line (again without even asking for a refund).

    So my experience with Epic's refund policy is absolutely fine. 
    I've never had to refund a steam game but I'm sure theirs is fine as well.

    Those were paid for by Fortnite, but i wouldn't compare Epic games willingness to pay out for games they made themselves, with them doing the same thing for games they did not. I seriously doubt that Uplays refund policy is anything near as consumer friendly as that of Steam. ;)
    It probably isn't. That doesn't mean I won't buy a game that isn't on Steam.
    I usually try before I buy hence I'm not that worried about getting refunds.
    I really wish they would bring back free trials for games,
    I agree.

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  • ZilverbackZilverback Member CommonPosts: 10
    Me personally really like Uplay, never had any problems at all with that launcher, especiallly as a longtime The Division player. Also gave a really good 20% discount on my Ultimate edition for Division 2 for just 100 uplay coins... Also really glad they are skipping steam wich i have alot more problems with than Uplay... So only good news at my front :)
  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,223
    gervaise1 said:
    Why do we care about Steam's cut? Either way we're just putting more money into someone's pocket. A pocket that is already full of money.

    Nothing is getting cheaper for us on these other launchers so the best option, for us, is to have it available on whatever platform/launcher we want. 

    Out of all the platforms/launchers out there, Steam is the one that makes PC gaming cheaper for US more often. 
    As I said above they may have charged more if they had released on Steam (as well).

    Developers will run some numbers: if we charge $X we might sell N; charge more probably sell less;  charge less probably sell more. And come up with a price they hope will cover their costs, have enough money to make another game and even make a profit. 

    Whether they get there numbers right - who knows. One thing is for sure though: the numbers will look a lot better without a 30% charge. Hence it may well be "cheaper" than it might otherwise have been.


    I'd like to see some examples of games on other launchers being cheaper than on Steam. I don't mean a one off sales or promotions, I mean brand new games. Until I see that it just sounds like something you hope will happen instead of something that will.
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  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Me personally really like Uplay, never had any problems at all with that launcher, especiallly as a longtime The Division player. Also gave a really good 20% discount on my Ultimate edition for Division 2 for just 100 uplay coins... Also really glad they are skipping steam wich i have alot more problems with than Uplay... So only good news at my front :)
    Makes absolutely no sense, if you had problems with The Division on Steam then its a Uplay issue as all it does is launch Uplay anyway. The only difference between the two, is that if The Division 2 pulls a FO76 and goes all Bethesda, then you don't have the 'Steam' safety net of being able to refund the game.
    But if walking an untested tightrope without a safetynet is your thing, good luck!  ;)
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