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  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,156
    danwest58 said:
    blizzard needs to get a clue and realize that censorship is not acceptable.   
    it is not really censorship tho, now is it. Nobody is prevented from "speaking" they just ask that you identify your self as you do. Also seeing that a account is more or less free this is a very minor hurdle to cross. 

    Unless you are one of those people who think that it is ok to be a toxic little goblin just because "it is the internet"... If so you are part of the problem. Because that not how society works for the most part in general and western society in particular. 
    WhiteLanternRnjypsyAeander

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  • danwest58danwest58 Member RarePosts: 2,011
    edited December 2018
    tawess said:
    danwest58 said:
    blizzard needs to get a clue and realize that censorship is not acceptable.   
    it is not really censorship tho, now is it. Nobody is prevented from "speaking" they just ask that you identify your self as you do. Also seeing that a account is more or less free this is a very minor hurdle to cross. 

    Unless you are one of those people who think that it is ok to be a toxic little goblin just because "it is the internet"... If so you are part of the problem. Because that not how society works for the most part in general and western society in particular. 
    People can be Toxic Goblins if they want.   Its up to people to choose not to listen.  Its not up to Blizzard to censor anyone period.   Censorship starts at.  Well Some player started saying stuff like they were on Battlefield V that got them ban for life and then later will include stuff like, Blizzard sucks because they keep making shitty low quality games.   Its like me censoring you because I disagree with something you say.  

    Now let me add this.  I understand that blizzard does not want a inappropriate things being said on stream where kids and what not are watching.  Find make it a 18 and older stream and if they want to be Goblins FINE I am good with that.  Just let people know that this person's stream is garbage filled language.   Then its up to you and I to choose if we want to listen to that prick.  I do not accept censorship in shutting people because their Opinions different from what the company wants out there.

    Just like a chat filter in an MMORPG works.  It keeps you some saying SHIT on screen if you choose not to but it will not stop someone who chooses to turn that filter off.   
    GwapoJoshDhamon99
  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 4,841
    danwest58 said:
    blizzard needs to get a clue and realize that censorship is not acceptable.   
    Bullshit. Chat censorship (either optional toggle or required) has been an important and necessary part of online games from the start. Because uncensored chat is terrible for fostering active gaming communities and affects the age rating and international viability of the game.

    And in this case, it's even more justified, because esports players and teams are effectively 3rd party contractors of the company which represent that company's image. Censoring them is absolutely acceptable.
    RnjypsyRoin
  • danwest58danwest58 Member RarePosts: 2,011
    Aeander said:
    danwest58 said:
    blizzard needs to get a clue and realize that censorship is not acceptable.   
    Bullshit. Chat censorship (either optional toggle or required) has been an important and necessary part of online games from the start. Because uncensored chat is terrible for fostering active gaming communities and affects the age rating and international viability of the game.

    And in this case, it's even more justified, because esports players and teams are effectively 3rd party contractors of the company which represent that company's image. Censoring them is absolutely acceptable.
    Read above.   Its one thing to Age Censor its completely another to censor personal opinion on games which is where censorship always goes.  Again read above and you will understand my point of view.
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    edited December 2018
    danwest58 said:
    Aeander said:
    danwest58 said:
    blizzard needs to get a clue and realize that censorship is not acceptable.   
    Bullshit. Chat censorship (either optional toggle or required) has been an important and necessary part of online games from the start. Because uncensored chat is terrible for fostering active gaming communities and affects the age rating and international viability of the game.

    And in this case, it's even more justified, because esports players and teams are effectively 3rd party contractors of the company which represent that company's image. Censoring them is absolutely acceptable.
    Read above.   Its one thing to Age Censor its completely another to censor personal opinion on games which is where censorship always goes.  Again read above and you will understand my point of view.
    While I understand the sentiment, "gay people are the root of all evil and should be purged" can also be considered a point of view or personal opinion.  It's just one society, as a whole, has deemed as an unacceptably terrible point of view that shouldn't be encouraged or tolerated.
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 4,841
    Free speech is often conflated, erroneously, with consequence free speech. You're free to say whatever you want on Blizzard's official stream chats, and they're within their rights to ban you for it, as those chats represent their company and community image. And it helps them filter out bad actors who can just as easily ruin the public chats within their games.
    Rnjypsy
  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,156
    danwest58 said:
    tawess said:
    danwest58 said:
    blizzard needs to get a clue and realize that censorship is not acceptable.   
    it is not really censorship tho, now is it. Nobody is prevented from "speaking" they just ask that you identify your self as you do. Also seeing that a account is more or less free this is a very minor hurdle to cross. 

    Unless you are one of those people who think that it is ok to be a toxic little goblin just because "it is the internet"... If so you are part of the problem. Because that not how society works for the most part in general and western society in particular. 
    People can be Toxic Goblins if they want.   Its up to people to choose not to listen.  Its not up to Blizzard to censor anyone period.   
    They can... But that sort of behavior should be curbed, harshly and directly. 

    You see, due to some weird evolutionary (and most likely pointless) quirk, seeing and hearing are thing we do all the time, instinctively. (no i do not know why either) So precognitively avoiding hearing or reading these goblins is hard. So then it falls on each individual if they take responsibility and try to avoid causing harm, or if they pay the price for their actions. Again that is how actual real world society works. 

    In fact i saw a very real world example of this just two days ago... A man in my local gamestop was upset because he needed a ID in order to get a refund, so he cursed up a storm and was told that that if he did not calm down, police would be called to the scene. 

    Did Gamestop in this case have the right to "censor" the man... Yes.. Yes they did. 


    AeanderRnjypsy

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  • aummoidaummoid Member UncommonPosts: 82
    Imagine that, being forced to act like a professional just because you're trying to be a professional. Shocked, I am shocked.
    Rnjypsy
  • XiaokiXiaoki Member RarePosts: 3,287

    Aeander said:

    Free speech is often conflated, erroneously, with consequence free speech. You're free to say whatever you want on Blizzard's official stream chats, and they're within their rights to ban you for it, as those chats represent their company and community image. And it helps them filter out bad actors who can just as easily ruin the public chats within their games.



    A lot of people are incapable of understanding that "freedom" and "protection" are exact opposites.

    Also, I find it funny that people here are complaining that Blizzard's chat will be heavily moderated on a message board that is heavily moderated.

    Like, if you hate moderation so much then why are you here on MMORPG.com?
  • mmrvmmrv Member RarePosts: 302



    danwest58 said:


    Aeander said:


    danwest58 said:

    blizzard needs to get a clue and realize that censorship is not acceptable.   


    Bullshit. Chat censorship (either optional toggle or required) has been an important and necessary part of online games from the start. Because uncensored chat is terrible for fostering active gaming communities and affects the age rating and international viability of the game.

    And in this case, it's even more justified, because esports players and teams are effectively 3rd party contractors of the company which represent that company's image. Censoring them is absolutely acceptable.


    Read above.   Its one thing to Age Censor its completely another to censor personal opinion on games which is where censorship always goes.  Again read above and you will understand my point of view.


    While I understand the sentiment, "gay people are the root of all evil and should be purged" can also be considered a point of view or personal opinion.  It's just one society, as a whole, has deemed as an unacceptably terrible point of view that shouldn't be encouraged or tolerated.



    Your right it factually is a point of view, and I think you are naive if you believe "one society has deemed it unacceptable that shouldn't be tolerated". Its a vocal minority taking control of positions of power and bullying others to enforce such a doctrine. Its actually past the slippery slope where arbitrarily some people have forced their will upon others. Oddly enough its the EXACT same action of hate and intolerance, but apparently its okay to be intolerant and hateful against people who differ with "your opinion".

    To provide a more succinct example of why this type of action is wrong. Person A "I hate gays they are the evil of the world" , person B "I Hate people who hate gays they are the evil of the world". In our twisted world of regressive progressives somehow person B has become righteous hero for committing the same act of generic hate.

    A proper free society would not only allow but embrace people to have their own thoughts as it is the ultimate and truly most intimate human right, but we are living in times where its become okay to enforce thought police. you should be free to think whatever you want just not to act any physical harm on others. Maybe the biggest irony is we currently put more effort into thought policing than we do into actual policing. Thousands of people are murdered every year by gang violence in this country without a peep from the regressive progressives, but dont your dare say "there are only 2 genders" now that will NOT BE TOLERATED by the new nazi's of the western world.
    AeliousPhry
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    mmrv said:



    danwest58 said:


    Aeander said:


    danwest58 said:

    blizzard needs to get a clue and realize that censorship is not acceptable.   


    Bullshit. Chat censorship (either optional toggle or required) has been an important and necessary part of online games from the start. Because uncensored chat is terrible for fostering active gaming communities and affects the age rating and international viability of the game.

    And in this case, it's even more justified, because esports players and teams are effectively 3rd party contractors of the company which represent that company's image. Censoring them is absolutely acceptable.


    Read above.   Its one thing to Age Censor its completely another to censor personal opinion on games which is where censorship always goes.  Again read above and you will understand my point of view.


    While I understand the sentiment, "gay people are the root of all evil and should be purged" can also be considered a point of view or personal opinion.  It's just one society, as a whole, has deemed as an unacceptably terrible point of view that shouldn't be encouraged or tolerated.



    Your right it factually is a point of view, and I think you are naive if you believe "one society has deemed it unacceptable that shouldn't be tolerated". Its a vocal minority taking control of positions of power and bullying others to enforce such a doctrine. Its actually past the slippery slope where arbitrarily some people have forced their will upon others. Oddly enough its the EXACT same action of hate and intolerance, but apparently its okay to be intolerant and hateful against people who differ with "your opinion".

    To provide a more succinct example of why this type of action is wrong. Person A "I hate gays they are the evil of the world" , person B "I Hate people who hate gays they are the evil of the world". In our twisted world of regressive progressives somehow person B has become righteous hero for committing the same act of generic hate.

    A proper free society would not only allow but embrace people to have their own thoughts as it is the ultimate and truly most intimate human right, but we are living in times where its become okay to enforce thought police. you should be free to think whatever you want just not to act any physical harm on others. Maybe the biggest irony is we currently put more effort into thought policing than we do into actual policing. Thousands of people are murdered every year by gang violence in this country without a peep from the regressive progressives, but dont your dare say "there are only 2 genders" now that will NOT BE TOLERATED by the new nazi's of the western world.
    Person B is looked at differently because they don't adhere to a point of view that's based out of hatred for someone merely being different.  The other person's opinion of the racist isn't based on the person merely being different; it's based on a hostile, poor worldview held by that person.  Trying to morally equate the two ignores from where they originate.  Doesn't mean you support Person B, say, shooting Person A.  It just means the anger you see in Person B is much more understandable and justified than the hatred exhibited by Person A.

    There's literally research that supports the notion that hate speech such as homophobia, when left unperturbed by rebuttals of reality, intensifies to the point of encouraging action.  It's not a guessing game; leaving Nazis in their own bubble emboldens said Nazis to act on people outside their bubble.  And yes, if we left a bunch of anti-Nazis in their own bubble, they will embolden one another towards action, too; but (and here is where it, quite frankly, gets real) here's the thing: nobody (not even native Germans anymore) cheers on the exploits of the Third Reich.  Nobody boasts about their (quite frankly) impressive military accomplishments with pride.  That's because their actions were in support of a terrible worldview that nobody wants to support.  Now, guess what: the Allied Powers committed war crimes of their own against the Nazis.  History books don't make too much of that, because of a few things: Allies won (history is written by the victor), Nazis committed war crimes on a larger scale, and finally, because we, in general as a species, support the goal the Allies were pursuing when they committed such acts.
    Aeander

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  • mmrvmmrv Member RarePosts: 302

    aummoid said:

    Imagine that, being forced to act like a professional just because you're trying to be a professional. Shocked, I am shocked.



    Right how dare people not succumb to being forced against their will with devious tyrannical punitive measures being taken against them. What next link your car's vin number and facebook account if "we" at facebook decide your last picture somehow randomly could be deemed offensive by some random bigoted hateful LGBT person your car will be impounded. See the problem yet? If Blizzard has an issue with people using one of their products well remove their access but that isnt good enough now they are going to invade everything else in your life as they attempt to enforce draconian thought policing.
    ConstantineMerusAeanderKyleran
  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 6,929
    I love free speech. That is why I can tell everyone right now, "Thousands of people are murdered every year by gang violence in this country without a peep from the regressive progressives," is pure idiocy no matter what side of the spectrum you exist on.
    MadFrenchiePhry
  • moosecatlolmoosecatlol Member UncommonPosts: 1,474
    Just don't play Blizzard games, ezpz. If you're concerned with payout, just play one of the games with 10x more payouts.
  • mmrvmmrv Member RarePosts: 302



    mmrv said:







    danwest58 said:




    Aeander said:




    danwest58 said:


    blizzard needs to get a clue and realize that censorship is not acceptable.   




    Bullshit. Chat censorship (either optional toggle or required) has been an important and necessary part of online games from the start. Because uncensored chat is terrible for fostering active gaming communities and affects the age rating and international viability of the game.

    And in this case, it's even more justified, because esports players and teams are effectively 3rd party contractors of the company which represent that company's image. Censoring them is absolutely acceptable.




    Read above.   Its one thing to Age Censor its completely another to censor personal opinion on games which is where censorship always goes.  Again read above and you will understand my point of view.




    While I understand the sentiment, "gay people are the root of all evil and should be purged" can also be considered a point of view or personal opinion.  It's just one society, as a whole, has deemed as an unacceptably terrible point of view that shouldn't be encouraged or tolerated.






    Your right it factually is a point of view, and I think you are naive if you believe "one society has deemed it unacceptable that shouldn't be tolerated". Its a vocal minority taking control of positions of power and bullying others to enforce such a doctrine. Its actually past the slippery slope where arbitrarily some people have forced their will upon others. Oddly enough its the EXACT same action of hate and intolerance, but apparently its okay to be intolerant and hateful against people who differ with "your opinion".



    To provide a more succinct example of why this type of action is wrong. Person A "I hate gays they are the evil of the world" , person B "I Hate people who hate gays they are the evil of the world". In our twisted world of regressive progressives somehow person B has become righteous hero for committing the same act of generic hate.



    A proper free society would not only allow but embrace people to have their own thoughts as it is the ultimate and truly most intimate human right, but we are living in times where its become okay to enforce thought police. you should be free to think whatever you want just not to act any physical harm on others. Maybe the biggest irony is we currently put more effort into thought policing than we do into actual policing. Thousands of people are murdered every year by gang violence in this country without a peep from the regressive progressives, but dont your dare say "there are only 2 genders" now that will NOT BE TOLERATED by the new nazi's of the western world.


    Person B is looked at differently because they don't adhere to a point of view that's based out of hatred for someone merely being different.  The other person's opinion of the racist isn't based on the person merely being different; it's based on a hostile, poor worldview held by that person.  Trying to morally equate the two ignores from where they originate.  Doesn't mean you support Person B, say, shooting Person A.  It just means the anger you see in Person B is much more understandable and justified than the hatred exhibited by Person A.

    There's literally research that supports the notion that hate speech such as homophobia, when left unperturbed by rebuttals of reality, intensifies to the point of encouraging action.  It's not a guessing game; leaving Nazis in their own bubble emboldens said Nazis to act on people outside their bubble.  And yes, if we left a bunch of anti-Nazis in their own bubble, they will embolden one another towards action, too; but (and here is where it, quite frankly, gets real) here's the thing: nobody (not even native Germans anymore) cheers on the exploits of the Third Reich.  Nobody boasts about their (quite frankly) impressive military accomplishments with pride.  That's because their actions were in support of a terrible worldview that nobody wants to support.  Now, guess what: the Allied Powers committed war crimes of their own against the Nazis.  History books don't make too much of that, because of a few things: Allies won (history is written by the victor), Nazis committed war crimes on a larger scale, and finally, because we, in general as a species, support the goal the Allies were pursuing when they committed such acts.



    Well done you justified and exemplified my exact point. You used literally ever typical trapping from suggesting one was morally higher ground all the way to the "different card". You do understand that every single point you attempted to insert can be said with 100% validity about either side of every one of these types of discussions. You just managed to arbitrarily decide to rationalize them to support your own personal beliefs while discounting them when used in favor of beliefs that oppose yours lol.

    By the way those same studies you use to bolster the claim that "hate about homosexuality promotes violence" actually holds true for those who tolerate and allow "hate of those who hate gays" but you turn your blind eye to such facts. We see this right now as groups like "antifa" openly commit acts of violence against those they "hate" for just one example.

    Sorry you are wrong you just think its okay because you feel you are on the morale high ground 50 years ago you would be the gay bashers of yesteryear sayings its okay for all the same reasons.
    AeanderKyleran
  • aummoidaummoid Member UncommonPosts: 82
    mmrv said:

    aummoid said:

    Imagine that, being forced to act like a professional just because you're trying to be a professional. Shocked, I am shocked.



    Right how dare people not succumb to being forced against their will with devious tyrannical punitive measures being taken against them. What next link your car's vin number and facebook account if "we" at facebook decide your last picture somehow randomly could be deemed offensive by some random bigoted hateful LGBT person your car will be impounded. See the problem yet? If Blizzard has an issue with people using one of their products well remove their access but that isnt good enough now they are going to invade everything else in your life as they attempt to enforce draconian thought policing.
    I applaud your ability to ride that slippery slope all the way off the cliff.
    AeanderRoin
  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,156

    mmrv said:



    aummoid said:


    Imagine that, being forced to act like a professional just because you're trying to be a professional. Shocked, I am shocked.






    Right how dare people not succumb to being forced against their will with devious tyrannical punitive measures being taken against them. What next link your car's vin number and facebook account if "we" at facebook decide your last picture somehow randomly could be deemed offensive by some random bigoted hateful LGBT person your car will be impounded. See the problem yet? If Blizzard has an issue with people using one of their products well remove their access but that isnt good enough now they are going to invade everything else in your life as they attempt to enforce draconian thought policing.



    Then i guess you could take the proper way and go legal on them... Ofc they will bleed you dry and leave you to dry in the sun.

    Now, it is fairly simple. Act like a nice and levelheaded person and you will not have to worry about getting punished. This is not about random pictures on facebook (a site that btw is known for it´s relaxed, borderline nonexistent stance on hate and people acting like goblins) but a chat channel for a e-sport league.

    There is no situation in such a place any kind of behavior that would constitute a breach of the code of conduct that Blizzard have. You can even thrash talk a fair bit without passing that line... You just have to be smart about it and not make it personal or degrading.
    AeanderKyleran

    Tawess gaming

    Tawess soapbox

    This have been a good conversation

  • danwest58danwest58 Member RarePosts: 2,011
    I am going to end the argument right here because this topic is getting off track.

    The reason why we have the first amendment is because NO ONE can have the moral high ground on anything another person says period and the founding fathers understood this and no one can police speech with any moral compass period.   That does not mean most people in a society does not find something offensive.  However its up to individual people to choose not to associate themselves with that person.  


    That does not mean Blizzard cant disassociate themselves from a Esports player who says racist and offensive things.   But it does not mean that anyone on this forum, blizzard or the government have a Moral right to control or censor this person so he cannot ever talk again.   Blizzard should say we do not support JackPlayer1 because his unacceptable comments on a twitch stream.  Its up to Twitch no blizzard to make the choice to cut off the streamer for breaking their TOS.   Not Blizzard working with Twitch, and the actions twitch needs to take needs to be extremely limited.  I do not want Blizzard shutting a person like alexsenual off because they hate his personal point of view.  While Alex can be a DQ fairly often he does make good points and just because Blizzard does not like him does not mean they have a right to censor him.   


    No one has the MORAL high ground period.  So we need to choose as individuals to associate ourselves and listen to these people.  Its our personal liberty that we have a right to.  Just like when I run my guilds I lay down the ground rules what I will allow and will not allow.  If you dont follow them rules you dont stay in the guild.  

    We also need to stop being hyper sensitive to everything that everyone says and grow some thicker skin.  We are in the middle of a moral panic and people need to understand that.  Just like the satanic panic where we thought people playing dungeons and dragons were devil worshipers.  Every pearl clutching person flipped out for every small thing like dungeons and dragons, and heavy metal and so on.   Most people that say dumb shit should be debated and not be destroyed which is what we do today.  We call for people that have wrong think to lose their job, their house, and live on the streets with no food.  That stuff has to stop.  
    mmrvPhryKyleranAeliousAeander
  • PemminPemmin Member UncommonPosts: 622
    damn if only they waited a couple days..... acti/bliz could have had the first controversy of the new year
  • mmrvmmrv Member RarePosts: 302


    I love free speech. That is why I can tell everyone right now, "Thousands of people are murdered every year by gang violence in this country without a peep from the regressive progressives," is pure idiocy no matter what side of the spectrum you exist on.



    Right back at you, as I have yet to see any real coverage of the issue daily, weekly,, monthly yearly by all our main stream media, but you sure as hell will see never ending blithering on about some suspected affair trump had 12 years ago, because that is what really matters and heaven forbid some dude from south america drag his child sickened by flu to our borders and the child ends up dying but lets not talk about the hundreds of kids killed by inner city thugs every year as a real tragedy needing to be fixed we need them democrat voters yo. /yawn. sorry to interrupt your head being in the sand.
    Phry
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    mmrv said:



    mmrv said:







    danwest58 said:




    Aeander said:




    danwest58 said:


    blizzard needs to get a clue and realize that censorship is not acceptable.   




    Bullshit. Chat censorship (either optional toggle or required) has been an important and necessary part of online games from the start. Because uncensored chat is terrible for fostering active gaming communities and affects the age rating and international viability of the game.

    And in this case, it's even more justified, because esports players and teams are effectively 3rd party contractors of the company which represent that company's image. Censoring them is absolutely acceptable.




    Read above.   Its one thing to Age Censor its completely another to censor personal opinion on games which is where censorship always goes.  Again read above and you will understand my point of view.




    While I understand the sentiment, "gay people are the root of all evil and should be purged" can also be considered a point of view or personal opinion.  It's just one society, as a whole, has deemed as an unacceptably terrible point of view that shouldn't be encouraged or tolerated.






    Your right it factually is a point of view, and I think you are naive if you believe "one society has deemed it unacceptable that shouldn't be tolerated". Its a vocal minority taking control of positions of power and bullying others to enforce such a doctrine. Its actually past the slippery slope where arbitrarily some people have forced their will upon others. Oddly enough its the EXACT same action of hate and intolerance, but apparently its okay to be intolerant and hateful against people who differ with "your opinion".



    To provide a more succinct example of why this type of action is wrong. Person A "I hate gays they are the evil of the world" , person B "I Hate people who hate gays they are the evil of the world". In our twisted world of regressive progressives somehow person B has become righteous hero for committing the same act of generic hate.



    A proper free society would not only allow but embrace people to have their own thoughts as it is the ultimate and truly most intimate human right, but we are living in times where its become okay to enforce thought police. you should be free to think whatever you want just not to act any physical harm on others. Maybe the biggest irony is we currently put more effort into thought policing than we do into actual policing. Thousands of people are murdered every year by gang violence in this country without a peep from the regressive progressives, but dont your dare say "there are only 2 genders" now that will NOT BE TOLERATED by the new nazi's of the western world.


    Person B is looked at differently because they don't adhere to a point of view that's based out of hatred for someone merely being different.  The other person's opinion of the racist isn't based on the person merely being different; it's based on a hostile, poor worldview held by that person.  Trying to morally equate the two ignores from where they originate.  Doesn't mean you support Person B, say, shooting Person A.  It just means the anger you see in Person B is much more understandable and justified than the hatred exhibited by Person A.

    There's literally research that supports the notion that hate speech such as homophobia, when left unperturbed by rebuttals of reality, intensifies to the point of encouraging action.  It's not a guessing game; leaving Nazis in their own bubble emboldens said Nazis to act on people outside their bubble.  And yes, if we left a bunch of anti-Nazis in their own bubble, they will embolden one another towards action, too; but (and here is where it, quite frankly, gets real) here's the thing: nobody (not even native Germans anymore) cheers on the exploits of the Third Reich.  Nobody boasts about their (quite frankly) impressive military accomplishments with pride.  That's because their actions were in support of a terrible worldview that nobody wants to support.  Now, guess what: the Allied Powers committed war crimes of their own against the Nazis.  History books don't make too much of that, because of a few things: Allies won (history is written by the victor), Nazis committed war crimes on a larger scale, and finally, because we, in general as a species, support the goal the Allies were pursuing when they committed such acts.



    Well done you justified and exemplified my exact point. You used literally ever typical trapping from suggesting one was morally higher ground all the way to the "different card". You do understand that every single point you attempted to insert can be said with 100% validity about either side of every one of these types of discussions. You just managed to arbitrarily decide to rationalize them to support your own personal beliefs while discounting them when used in favor of beliefs that oppose yours lol.

    By the way those same studies you use to bolster the claim that "hate about homosexuality promotes violence" actually holds true for those who tolerate and allow "hate of those who hate gays" but you turn your blind eye to such facts. We see this right now as groups like "antifa" openly commit acts of violence against those they "hate" for just one example.

    Sorry you are wrong you just think its okay because you feel you are on the morale high ground 50 years ago you would be the gay bashers of yesteryear sayings its okay for all the same reasons.
    No, I can just look at things without trying to frame it into a neat little equilibrium for equlibrium's sake when the moral compass clearly points a specific direction.

    The reason folks don't see those who hate racists as the same level of terrible as the racists is because one's hate is directed arbitrarily at a people for no rational reason; the other's hate is directed at the racist because that worldview has proven to both be morally atrocious and dangerous in the past.

    Nothing about that means I ever said it was okay for someone to break the law in violence against the racist.  More apropos, if someone breaks the rules of conduct Blizzard lays out, no matter the side they support, I support the company taking action.


    Because that's what's going on here.  This isn't some form of suppression of free speech; it's a company setting rules for business associates regarding their business interactions.  If Blizzard feels the actions of the players reflect on their league, they have every right to allow or disallow contenders based on whatever criteria they believe will best serve the interests of the league.
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    Can't edit, so I need to add: at least here in the U.S., race and other characteristics are actually protected from discrimination in the business sector as well.  Blizzard can't arbitrarily decide Korean gamers can't play in their league unless they can prove a really, really good reason for this that's related to a business interest.

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  • XasapisXasapis Member RarePosts: 6,337
    edited December 2018
    The real question is whether this Overwatch esports league is worth watching.

    If Blizzard wants their viewers to watch the event as if they are watching it from a TV, I don't care. The alternative is like engaging people during a football match in a pub and this is something I don't think they want.

    Of course penalizing players for their behavior in an entirely different platform than theirs is absurd and thus will work negatively overall.
  • evolgrinzevolgrinz Member UncommonPosts: 123
    lol, just make a 2nd twitch and blizzard account.
  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Is Amazon going to buy Blizzard? they own Twitch right now afaik so linking the two effectively means its linking your battlenet account to Amazon right?  :o
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