I think you are a great candidate to buy a bridge or two from me, care to make a deal?
Seriously, it went from a testing tool to a free standing game which plans to have regular "expansions" of content "post launch."
Testing tools don't "launch" nor do companies sell them to their customers. They also don't have post launch content.
From an article on MassivelyOP, the official press release.
“Ashes of Creation Apocalypse, a new competitive and cooperative multiplayer game linked directly to the world of Ashes of Creation, will launch in open beta for free on Dec. 18 for Windows PC. Pitting 100s of players at a time against each other in a massive world of high fantasy and all-out warfare, Ashes of Creation Apocalypse builds upon and refines many of the core systems at the heart of Ashes of Creationwhile letting players experience its stunning action and visuals right away. Ashes of Creation Apocalypse delivers a self-contained, standalone experience for fans of competitive action, combat, and chaos. The game will launch with a full-fledged battle royale mode in which 100 players will duke it out with destructive weapons and magic until the last person is left standing. After release, new unique modes will be introduced, letting 200 players join forces in massive castle siege battles, as well as co-op horde mode missions in which small groups must fight off ravenous hordes of vicious demons.”
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I think you are a great candidate to buy a bridge or two from me, care to make a deal?
Seriously, it went from a testing tool to a free standing game which plans to have regular "expansions" of content "post launch."
Testing tools don't "launch" nor do companies sell them to their customers. They also don't have post launch content.
From an article on MassivelyOP, the official press release.
“Ashes of Creation Apocalypse, a new competitive and cooperative multiplayer game linked directly to the world of Ashes of Creation, will launch in open beta for free on Dec. 18 for Windows PC. Pitting 100s of players at a time against each other in a massive world of high fantasy and all-out warfare, Ashes of Creation Apocalypse builds upon and refines many of the core systems at the heart of Ashes of Creationwhile letting players experience its stunning action and visuals right away. Ashes of Creation Apocalypse delivers a self-contained, standalone experience for fans of competitive action, combat, and chaos. The game will launch with a full-fledged battle royale mode in which 100 players will duke it out with destructive weapons and magic until the last person is left standing. After release, new unique modes will be introduced, letting 200 players join forces in massive castle siege battles, as well as co-op horde mode missions in which small groups must fight off ravenous hordes of vicious demons.”
For a moment I was all "Oh wow, Open beta for AoC?! That's ridiculously FAST for an Indie MMO!" and then I remembered this is the battle royal spin-off... Hello Disappointment, my old friend.
I hope it works out as planned even though I'll give it a complete pass myself. I have zero interest in that type of gameplay.
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Just listen to the first 2 minutes when he talks about how the sub for ASHES will be separate from this BattleRoyale and it will have its own team making assets for it....
Then a bit later he talks about “rising to the occasion” with this increased monetization to defray their testing costs which only exists because of how awesome they are.
RIP ASHES original concept
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Just listen to the first 2 minutes when he talks about how the sub for ASHES will be separate from this BattleRoyale and it will have its own team making assets for it....
Then a bit later he talks about “rising to the occasion” with this increased monetization to defray their testing costs which only exists because of how awesome they are.
RIP ASHES original concept
It seems that you did not listen to the same video I did.
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Just listen to the first 2 minutes when he talks about how the sub for ASHES will be separate from this BattleRoyale and it will have its own team making assets for it....
Then a bit later he talks about “rising to the occasion” with this increased monetization to defray their testing costs which only exists because of how awesome they are.
RIP ASHES original concept
It seems that you did not listen to the same video I did.
I think you heard what you wanted to hear and not what he said. Steven is pretty good at using the Jedi Mind Trick on some folks...
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If I had backed the KickStarter for more than the $25 tier, I'd be pissed. Now, I just feel bad for everyone who's getting screwed by the BR bait and switch. It's a shame consumers have no power when it comes to crowdfunding.
If I had backed the KickStarter for more than the $25 tier, I'd be pissed. Now, I just feel bad for everyone who's getting screwed by the BR bait and switch. It's a shame consumers have no power when it comes to crowdfunding.
It's a shame that many consumers have been convinced the Saints of Crowdfunding will definitely save gaming, so long as there are folks willing to throw money at them for as long as they ask for it to develop the "savior."
As long as they get some feedback for the MMO from this and then ditch it after a month or 2 its fine.
If they will actually update this, it will only grow my disappointment in them
It's pretty clear from how much effort they've invested in their web page on Apocalypse, billed as a standalone game with plans to deliver a whole lot more isn't a one and done.
Only thing left now is how they monetize it, F2P with cash shop as I betting, with purchases here counting towards something in the MMORPG.
Stephen is probably the slickest of all these slick willy dev leads, starting to surpass the master, C.R. who he is clearly taking queues from.
He's just reversed the order, SC had a single player game first, which is the base to test systems for the MMORPG. In Ashes, the MMORPG came first, but has spawned a free standing BR game..."to test the systems"
Good thing most gamers are too savvy to fall for such sleight of hand tricks, right?
It is only a matter of time before it come p2w. There is too much money to be made from it.
Maybe it would be worth waiting to see how the MMO turns out, zero interest in the game as a B.R though, its a different genre altogether, well the animations are still rough but as its in Beta still that is perhaps only to be expected. There would need to be a lot of improvements in both the graphics and the animations before i'd be interested all that much, which hopefully by the time they finish the MMO those kinds of refinements to the game will have been carried out.
Not sure how much of that they can do. If the graphics are too high you will only see names floating around in big pvp fights. Think back to the early days of Aoin.
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That camera angle lacks the battlefield overview of the classic mmorpg camera and the immersion of the 1st person camera. I really don't understand the point of it.
I didnt comment on this when it first came out was hoping for a little more. But of course it hasnt come.
So it comes down to this...
Its either an awesome money making idea and one everyone says other companies should do if they have a viable playable product...SELL IT to make money for another project. (hello Star Citizen)
Or its a horrible idea where it works TOO well and they make more money than they thought and they start to see making the MMO might be a waste of time and money (hello Fortnite, Dayz, HiZ1 and probably a few more).
SO mixed feelings.
I imagine if they use the funds responsibly and make the MMO they pitched then all will be fine and forgiven. And then they have TWO games that cover two genres. Although I suspect some MMO players could get behind the 'expansion' portion of this. Because its basically every other self contained PvP map ever created by any MMO.
SO haters and white knight both have something to grasp onto here. For now.
But as long as they have something playable and decent then they will always have defenders even if they never release the MMO in any form. Or at best make an 'expansion' to this thing and call it the MMO.
But lets face it none of these crowdfunded/kickstarter games will ever, no matter how much money they raise will ever have enough to make a fully fleshed out MMO. So at least peopel who really want the MMO can have hope that they will make money and use it correctly and actually make an MMO which had little to no chance to ever be made despite the hype or hyperbole.
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Ashes of Creation Post Live Stream Discord Q & A Explaining overlay of apocalypse to the MMO Open beta December 18
So amazing how at 5:25 and that diatribe he went on he starts to sound EXACTLY like Chris Roberts.
Like I said it used to be WoW clones in the MO world. Now its Chris Roberts (moneymaking) clones in the whole video gaming world.
Steven is clearly a student of "the Master."
Speaking of Steven, here's a streamer who ran into him while playing a BR match.
The combat seems terribly busy and everyone rolls far too much for some reason.
Perhaps it's a BR / Gymkata hybrid?
Yeah... one of the problems with focusing your combat development on a BR game is that... well... you end up with BR combat. Also, all your feedback is from people looking for BR combat. If you think that’s a good thing then you will be happy. if you think Acrobats of Creation looks silly, you probably won’t.
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Seriously, it went from a testing tool to a free standing game which plans to have regular "expansions" of content "post launch."
Testing tools don't "launch" nor do companies sell them to their customers. They also don't have post launch content.
From an article on MassivelyOP, the official press release.
“Ashes of Creation Apocalypse, a new competitive and cooperative multiplayer game linked directly to the world of Ashes of Creation, will launch in open beta for free on Dec. 18 for Windows PC. Pitting 100s of players at a time against each other in a massive world of high fantasy and all-out warfare, Ashes of Creation Apocalypse builds upon and refines many of the core systems at the heart of Ashes of Creationwhile letting players experience its stunning action and visuals right away. Ashes of Creation Apocalypse delivers a self-contained, standalone experience for fans of competitive action, combat, and chaos. The game will launch with a full-fledged battle royale mode in which 100 players will duke it out with destructive weapons and magic until the last person is left standing. After release, new unique modes will be introduced, letting 200 players join forces in massive castle siege battles, as well as co-op horde mode missions in which small groups must fight off ravenous hordes of vicious demons.”
https://massivelyop.com/2018/12/06/ashes-of-creation-apocalypse-the-kickstarted-mmorpgs-battle-royale-mode-launches-december-18/
"Battling BS since 2006."
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We'll be here long after the music stops....
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY6HW-tcVG8&feature=youtu.be&t=00h33m55s
or auto text of stream. that was at about 34m
https://docs.google.com/document/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vTfGdMUgfs7FWN7WW62rlvpfFA4ZJUeBiouPv-skVgqmSmn80Psdzjf3QpSRglI1NujhnWDzhTVkk4B/pub
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The question remains: "will the true MMMORPG ever get released.
I hope it works out as planned even though I'll give it a complete pass myself. I have zero interest in that type of gameplay.
My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)
https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/Callaron/
Then a bit later he talks about “rising to the occasion” with this increased monetization to defray their testing costs which only exists because of how awesome they are.
RIP ASHES original concept
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Thanks a lot for posting this video!
It seems that you did not listen to the same video I did.
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So it comes down to this...
Its either an awesome money making idea and one everyone says other companies should do if they have a viable playable product...SELL IT to make money for another project. (hello Star Citizen)
Or its a horrible idea where it works TOO well and they make more money than they thought and they start to see making the MMO might be a waste of time and money (hello Fortnite, Dayz, HiZ1 and probably a few more).
SO mixed feelings.
I imagine if they use the funds responsibly and make the MMO they pitched then all will be fine and forgiven. And then they have TWO games that cover two genres. Although I suspect some MMO players could get behind the 'expansion' portion of this. Because its basically every other self contained PvP map ever created by any MMO.
SO haters and white knight both have something to grasp onto here. For now.
But as long as they have something playable and decent then they will always have defenders even if they never release the MMO in any form. Or at best make an 'expansion' to this thing and call it the MMO.
But lets face it none of these crowdfunded/kickstarter games will ever, no matter how much money they raise will ever have enough to make a fully fleshed out MMO. So at least peopel who really want the MMO can have hope that they will make money and use it correctly and actually make an MMO which had little to no chance to ever be made despite the hype or hyperbole.
Like I said it used to be WoW clones in the MO world. Now its Chris Roberts (moneymaking) clones in the whole video gaming world.
Speaking of Steven, here's a streamer who ran into him while playing a BR match.
The combat seems terribly busy and everyone rolls far too much for some reason.
Perhaps it's a BR / Gymkata hybrid?
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