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Fallout 76: Uninstalled

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
edited December 2018 in News & Features Discussion

imageFallout 76: Uninstalled

An evil editor demands yet another Fallout 76 article from Red Thomas. Stepping once more into the “breach,” Red decides to stick it to the man by writing about why he’s uninstalling the game. Will Red get fired? Will he usher in a new golden age of post-apocalyptic entertainment with his no-holds-barred WWF-quality smack down?

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  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 3,223
    If tou think about it, FO76 came out of nowhere and was going to release in a few months. Then they do a Beta soon before the actual release and it was deemed buggy and incomplete at the time.

    Then they release the game. I wasnt interested in fo76 because i didnt like my only FO experience with FO4, but it clearly was going to have problems. It was setup for failure from the beginning and the BETA confirmed it was not ready and then they release it.

    Seemed like the writing was on the wall. The whole thing didnt surprise me whatsoever.
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  • ceratop001ceratop001 Member RarePosts: 1,594
    All things come to a end.
     
  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,297
    I never bought it. The first gameplay video showed me everything I needed to know about it. What was coming was obvious.
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  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671
    edited December 2018
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  • Gobstopper3DGobstopper3D Member RarePosts: 966
    Although I have never played it, I have paid close attention to it since things that turn out well received always seem to find a way into future games. I had a feeling it would be a train wreck from the start just going by Bethesda past performance and how much they depend on modders to fix their games.

    Hopefully they have learned that they should stick with what they do best and that are things that don't involve MP. I wouldn't be surprised though if they doubled down on MP and included it in one form or another in future games. Too much money to be made with MP or lost in the case of Bethesda.
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  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    All things come to a end.
    Its customary to have a beginning first, though i guess skipping that part makes a lot of sense considering ;)
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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    Honestly,i don't love a poke at any game,i expect professionalism and fairness to customers and that is all.
    They know when their product is not good enough and we here on the other side of the fence,really don't know who is responsible,the CEO,the board,investors,someone in management,the owner who knows.

    All i know is i comment on the games themselves and i have a criteria for every single system that i look for.Some systems at least to me do not matter as much as others but some matter a lot.Example hair dos and colors don't mater to me one bit,my player could have brown hair or white,idc.

    Point being,we don't all share the same criteria,heck some people play games just because it looks like a popular game,because the internet says so.

    FO76 is not alone in the dumpster,there are a lot of games of late but then again the market is full of new upstart developers and old ones trying to compete.

    Thing is we already have a VERY large stable of games to draw on,we don't NEED any more games unless they are better or creative and that does NOT include games giving me points to allot or levels to grind,been there done that ,seen it a million times,i need MORE.

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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    I should remind that a certain someone was talking this game up big,WE NEED THIS GAME,was said.
    This is the perfect example why HYPE is BS,wait until the game comes out ,unless you are POSITIVE of it's design.
    I have mentioned a few times the new FFXI mobile will be better than most of these PC mmorpg's but i also realize it is Nexxon and hey are awful when comes to monitizing.

    There lies another problem,cash shops,pricing,i have seen some awful pricing on games that should be 10 bucks,not 70-80.I have seen f2p that SHOULD be f2p with NO cash shop.There is yet another problem,we are hearing a LOT of devs bull crap us with "our cs is only cosmetic,it is not p2w".
    Developers in this era will flat out lie to us,deceive us and not really care one bit about us.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • SplitStream13SplitStream13 Member UncommonPosts: 250
    edited December 2018
    They should fire whoever designed this mess, even it is Todd himself. I don't know. There is no freaking way in million years that someone sat down and thought it through. How did they think they'll get away with holotapes? The game is not interactive at all. It's laughable. Did they even try to play this game for longer than 5 minutes? It's an always-online game with literally 0 longevity. Even if we put aside the bugs that Bethesda are famous for, how or what is going to keep me interested in playing this for long time? What systems are there to keep my attention with the game? The PvP aspect? Please ... This game is a complete waste of time, investor money AND talent. It's poorly thought out, if at all, and terribly under-developed. It really baffles me how this got greenlit at all. Even Mass Effect: Andromeda did bettter.
  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 1,115
    So it's not a 7 after all.

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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    .. yea i avoided this one , and voiced my complaints here , stemming from the dev interviews we had here .. Spider senses were tingling everytime i saw anything relative to 76 was posted here..

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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 22,991
    Red has really summed up the sense of dissolution that we keep hearing about from too many quarters.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,508
    My experience so far (25 hrs played) on a 4.5 year old Sager gaming laptop running Windows 7 here in US.

    One disconnect after playing for 3.5 hrs one evening, the same night I experienced some in game lag at the start of the session which dogged me off and on until the d/c. They installed the latest patch the next morning.

    Weird graphical glitches. A couple perhaps, not enough to recall a specific instance where it was memorable or blocked me from something.

    Shovels, lying everywhere in the Forest and Toxic lake areas, stepped right over one several times last night as it was in a room with a convenient crafting station. I normally scrap them but my stash is already at 550 just 2 days after its expansion.

    I'm assuming Red needs a specific quest related shovel, but I'm going to save one in my stash just in case though shovels are actually weapons and not tools.

    Human NPCs...I agree their absence does feel more like the devs ran out of time and omitted them for efficiency reasons more than anything else.

    I did feel a touch of sadness after reading all the notes and holos about the Responders only to find out what eventually happened to them all. The lore however did explain how they all disappeared at one swoop. Pro tip, sometimes falling back to "Helms Deep" really is a bad idea.

    Never the less, I am hoping humanoid npcs will be introduced in future expansions, it would make for a better experience.

    Like Red I did not buy the power helmet edition so I'm not sure how the handling of the situation is a "final straw" in deciding to stop playing. Showing solidarity for his fellow gamers perhaps?

    Not a concern for me, I hold most gamers in contempt anyways (none of the fine folks here of course, well..maybe one clown) so a total non factor but Red got really worked up as he used the word nylon twice in his write up where I think he meant to say canvas, and he's usually more careful than that.

    I think it's fair to say Bethesda is a very sloppy game developer, has terrible customer service, poor data security, struggles to control exploits and makes what appear to be terrible business based decisions with an incredible level of nativity.

    At days end they still are game developers who tell good stories and FO76 actually has some great tales to tell, but you have to be willing to learn it in manner very different from previous efforts. Players who dislike reading or listening to sometimes quite long holo recordings will likely scream in agony at some point, I teeter on the edge at times.

    They remind me of Turbine and Funcom, two other long time dev houses who struggle to deliver quality.

    Speaking of quality, past few days I've had an issue with holo tapes needed to be stopped / restarted when first played, even after the Tuesday patch. Last evening for some reason the problem went away....magic fix I guess, or just a lucky break, not sure.

    So I'll play on, though I'm reconsidering my decision to play a melee build. With no AOE it's a real struggle to deal with Super Mutant packs as they have very high damage resistance, at least to my axe or baseball bat. If It could get my hands on a power sledge perhaps things would go better.

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  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,101

    TimEisen said:

    They should have outsourced it to Obsidian



    Definitely a wiser choice.
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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,000
    Sounds like they followed the ME: Andromeda book on game creation with this one and expanded on it a bit. When it's all said and done, I don't like seeing any game fail. So much potential lost. Good article.
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  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    Kyleran said:
    My experience so far (25 hrs played) on a 4.5 year old Sager gaming laptop running Windows 7 here in US.

    One disconnect after playing for 3.5 hrs one evening, the same night I experienced some in game lag at the start of the session which dogged me off and on until the d/c. They installed the latest patch the next morning.

    Weird graphical glitches. A couple perhaps, not enough to recall a specific instance where it was memorable or blocked me from something.

    Shovels, lying everywhere in the Forest and Toxic lake areas, stepped right over one several times last night as it was in a room with a convenient crafting station. I normally scrap them but my stash is already at 550 just 2 days after its expansion.

    I'm assuming Red needs a specific quest related shovel, but I'm going to save one in my stash just in case though shovels are actually weapons and not tools.

    Human NPCs...I agree their absence does feel more like the devs ran out of time and omitted them for efficiency reasons more than anything else.

    I did feel a touch of sadness after reading all the notes and holos about the Responders only to find out what eventually happened to them all. The lore however did explain how they all disappeared at one swoop. Pro tip, sometimes falling back to "Helms Deep" really is a bad idea.

    Never the less, I am hoping humanoid npcs will be introduced in future expansions, it would make for a better experience.

    Like Red I did not buy the power helmet edition so I'm not sure how the handling of the situation is a "final straw" in deciding to stop playing. Showing solidarity for his fellow gamers perhaps?

    Not a concern for me, I hold most gamers in contempt anyways (none of the fine folks here of course, well..maybe one clown) so a total non factor but Red got really worked up as he used the word nylon twice in his write up where I think he meant to say canvas, and he's usually more careful than that.

    I think it's fair to say Bethesda is a very sloppy game developer, has terrible customer service, poor data security, struggles to control exploits and makes what appear to be terrible business based decisions with an incredible level of nativity.

    At days end they still are game developers who tell good stories and FO76 actually has some great tales to tell, but you have to be willing to learn it in manner very different from previous efforts. Players who dislike reading or listening to sometimes quite long holo recordings will likely scream in agony at some point, I teeter on the edge at times.

    They remind me of Turbine and Funcom, two other long time dev houses who struggle to deliver quality.

    Speaking of quality, past few days I've had an issue with holo tapes needed to be stopped / restarted when first played, even after the Tuesday patch. Last evening for some reason the problem went away....magic fix I guess, or just a lucky break, not sure.

    So I'll play on, though I'm reconsidering my decision to play a melee build. With no AOE it's a real struggle to deal with Super Mutant packs as they have very high damage resistance, at least to my axe or baseball bat. If It could get my hands on a power sledge perhaps things would go better.

    You are to be commended for your patience, perseverance - and taking the time to provide a write up.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Once upon a time I used to hold Bethesda in very high regard. They were right up there with Bioware on my list of trusted developers who I felt I could rely on for really enjoyable games.

    Gaming has just gotten too big with too much money at stake and attracted the kind of people to the boardrooms of these companies who wouldn't know gaming quality if bit them on the ass.

    That's who's really calling the shots and it shows.
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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    edited December 2018
    Never underestinate how low one may fall...the article is well below level of some very distastful yellow journalism, it's plain stupid.

    I guess, congratz mmorpg.com hitting new low!
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  • Red_ThomasRed_Thomas Member RarePosts: 666
    Wizardry said:
    I should remind that a certain someone was talking this game up big,WE NEED THIS GAME,was said.
    This is the perfect example why HYPE is BS,wait until the game comes out ,unless you are POSITIVE of it's design.
    I have mentioned a few times the new FFXI mobile will be better than most of these PC mmorpg's but i also realize it is Nexxon and hey are awful when comes to monitizing.

    There lies another problem,cash shops,pricing,i have seen some awful pricing on games that should be 10 bucks,not 70-80.I have seen f2p that SHOULD be f2p with NO cash shop.There is yet another problem,we are hearing a LOT of devs bull crap us with "our cs is only cosmetic,it is not p2w".
    Developers in this era will flat out lie to us,deceive us and not really care one bit about us.
    I don't think _I_ ever said we needed this game, so I have no idea who you're talking about.   I CAN still talk it up, though.  There's a lot of things they did incredibly well.   It's just that when I compare it to something like Conan Exiles, it doesn't weigh well.

    I don't think you'd have any problem pointing out a number of very smart design decisions, though.   I'm still damn impressed with their SPECIAL/Perk system.  Think it needs a little refinement, but it's a great idea that's nothing like anything else I've seen in this genre.
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  • Red_ThomasRed_Thomas Member RarePosts: 666
    Kyleran said:

    Like Red I did not buy the power helmet edition so I'm not sure how the handling of the situation is a "final straw" in deciding to stop playing. Showing solidarity for his fellow gamers perhaps?
    More just that I found it a ridiculous position for the company to take on it and don't care to support their product.  Had it not has so many issues, I'd be more likely to let it go, but when you're already on the fence and see something as stupid as their deleted tweet (which I neglected to get a screenshot of, unfortunately), that makes it a lot easier to turn your back.

    I vote with my time and money constantly.   I buy plenty of games that I'll probably never play because I like the company or like the risks they're taking.   I'll write nice things about games I don't intend to give much time sometimes, too.  By the same token, I withdraw that support when I believe a company has acted unethically or has made a poor decision.

    On that note, if anyone is looking to replace that hole in their heart from FO76, I've been playing X4 and I am damn impressed.
    MadFrenchie
  • Red_ThomasRed_Thomas Member RarePosts: 666
    Iselin said:
    Once upon a time I used to hold Bethesda in very high regard. They were right up there with Bioware on my list of trusted developers who I felt I could rely on for really enjoyable games.

    Gaming has just gotten too big with too much money at stake and attracted the kind of people to the boardrooms of these companies who wouldn't know gaming quality if bit them on the ass.

    That's who's really calling the shots and it shows.
    Don't grab your pitchforks and torches yet.  They made some bad mistakes, but that doesn't mean they're not the same studio.  They made some pretty large mistakes around the Skyrim launch that they recovered from nicely.

    The thing about being a studio with great storytellers is that there's always another story to be told.   If they step back and refocus on what they're good at, they'll be fine.

    I do think they've got some leadership problems, though.  Someone calling the shots at Bethesda doesn't really understand their core audience well.  They've made this hard pivot towards consoles, which is fine, but they've started making it harder for modders to contribute to the IP's ecosystem (which is why I think you can't host your own FO76 server).  They're in the process of killing their golden goose, which is a shame.  They could turn it around, though.
    MadFrenchie
  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,101
    Pitchforks and torches are such cool things to walk around with. 
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  • SlyLoKSlyLoK Member RarePosts: 2,698
    Remember when people wanted or thought Bethesda should have made ESO? Yeah.. that would have been a disaster as well.
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  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,227
    i have pointed out before that a online FO was hottly requested at one point.

    Now this game is not what was asked for, but no one would be crazy enough to do a full scale MMO for such a small franchice as FO.

    I do agree with a fair amount of red´s points. I am right now stuck on the kill Evan quest (a quick reminder why i hate questmobs that do not repawn in a proper way.) so shit happens.

    But i still enjoy the game, i really like the simple fact that the game does not give a flying fuck about what you do, even by Bethesda standards.. =P I can just mill about without feeling like there is a overarching quest that needs to dealt with.

    In a way FO4 had that too since the main breadcrumb quest was so low stakes it hardly did matter. But i still felt i should try to find out if my kid was still alive or not. =P

    It is a very flawed game but much like cherry coke it fills some tiny role in the grand universe.
    Red_Thomas

    This have been a good conversation

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