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Officially The Greatest YEAR Ever For SC Crowdfunding

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  • rodarinrodarin Member EpicPosts: 2,576
    Erillion said:
    You know what i see ?

    A great project with a huge number of supporters that enjoy themselves AND a record breaking very successful crowdfunding campaign that is making history.

    With a small number of detractors that - even after years - have not realized that their opposition is in reality helping the project by keeping it in the news.


    Have fun
    A great project is one that has pissed away over 200 million and what there is is what the PTU and the test bed are? THATS a 'great' project to you?

    Also huge? Whats huge? How many people do you think play in that test bed? I would say its less than 2500. Is that huge? Life is Feudal has more than that playing in it and that game is a complete train wreck.

    Also 'small' number of detractors. Youre so funny. And ironic there are more detractors than players so I think you have the adjectives mixed up there a little bit. I know youre German but maybe you speak French too because they sometimes put adjective in the wrong place (compared to English).

    And if that isnt hyperbole and you really think critics are what is necessary to keep this thing relevant (with all the accolades it wants to heap on itself) then you really should seek help.
    NorseGod
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,232
    Je parle seulement un peu de francais.


    S'amuser


    Phaserlight
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    Sovrath said:
    Babuinix said:
    Babuinix said:
    Babuinix said:
    Babuinix said:
    Oh yeah crowdfunding comes with all that noise and rubish doesn't mean you cant dismiss the useless stuff and learn something along the way

    I surely learned a lot about game development since following the development of Star Citizen.

    As for @rodarin 's' new fantasy movie script I'll just say that the Hollywood actors performed motion capture not just voice just so that some minimal valuable knowledge comes out of it.
    Learning about game dev wasn't a requirement of backing, though.

    Likely, there are many backers who spent more money than you that don't have any game dev experience.  From where I'm sitting, that means they have more of a right to make these rules you're creating than you do, and we have some of them making the same criticisms non-backers are.  Conversely, there are users who haven't backed the game but defend points for CIG.  Seems legit to me.

    It's one thing to support or criticize a project, an entirely different thing to imply that you're the arbiter of qualifying who can criticize that project.
    Like most things that involve spending money all you need is... "drum roll suspense"...

    Money.

    A material or abstract number valued by society for transactions that can be obtained or accumulated through savings in large quantity's by discipline through the years or just having no expenses, loaded acquaintances or cheer luck! So without any knowledge, sharp intelligence or skill required many people can have it...

    Well born, Gambling, heritage...

    Spending money is the easiest thing in the world and many people will gladly help you do it!

    Now...having the knowledge and intelligence to know how and in what to spend...Well that's other ball game.

    If people without the intellectual tools to be investors decide to be investors what can we do?

    Make an "IQ Investor" exam before accepting any money?

    Hehe now that's funny just to think of it.

    Think about it before breaking the piggybank B)
    Except the devs unilaterally change the rules after the transaction, rendering your point completely moot.
    There's only one rule in crowdfunding, your money their rules. Deal with it.
    Lol, none of that gets to your point, which was ridiculously overblown.  There's no such thing as a good crowdfunding investment or purchase.

    The smart consumer doesn't give money based on unenforceable promises.
    Yes there is, it's called doing your homework, having experience or how they call it "an eye for business" .

    That's why I putted emphasis that spending money is easy , spending money wisely is hard.

    That's why some people spent money on crowdfunded games that went under and are worth nothing while I could sell my AMD Omega Ship + Star Citizen + Squadron42 25$dollar package for 200$dollars in the brink of an eye.  That's a 700% increase on the investment right there and it would cover everything putted into this project still leaving me with both games to play along with a handful of ships lol

    If I decided to quit PC gaming and wanted to sell my main account I'd easily get 1k for it and walk with another 400% return.

    But for most backers it's never been about money, it's all about helping making something special, it's always been and it will always will be the end goal, making the best space sim possible!
    As a transaction, crowdfunding is the worst consumer decision you can make.  Worse than pre-orders, worse than collector's edition.  It's throwing money at a dream without knowing any realistic plan to bring that dream into fruition or what reality might necessitate it looks like on completion.

    It's a poor choice.  Doesn't mean you can't mitigate the risk by trying to apply some rationale and research, but it's still one of the poorest purchasing decisions you can make as a gamer.
    "meh", I'm in the arts, we do this all the time.

    We have money donated to us, we donate money, we have time and talent donated to us and we donate time and talent.

    I've yet to be burned on a kickstarter. Then again, I'm reasonably intelligent and don't rush into throwing money at something just because someone shows me a picture.

    Supporting projects is great as long as one is intelligent about it. It's how things get done that don't fall into the realm of what the masses want.
    You can meh it if you like, based on the objective details of the transaction, who guarantees what, etc., It's a piss poor decision compared to the other options you have as a gamer. Period.


    Again, nothing about how you feel about it changes that gamers are giving money on a wing and a prayer.  This isn't a painting.  It's more like funding the construction of an art studio.

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  • BabuinixBabuinix Member EpicPosts: 3,063
    As a transaction, crowdfunding is the worst consumer decision you can make.  Worse than pre-orders, worse than collector's edition.  It's throwing money at a dream without knowing any realistic plan to bring that dream into fruition or what reality might necessitate it looks like on completion.

    It's a poor choice.  Doesn't mean you can't mitigate the risk by trying to apply some rationale and research, but it's still one of the poorest purchasing decisions you can make as a gamer.
    If you change the bolded parts to "as an investment / as an investor" and I would agree wholeheartedly.

    As a gamer, supporting dev's you believe in...Well scratch the "as a gamer" and just go with "as a human being supporting people you believe in and making mutual dreams a reality that otherwise would be impossible to realise is a great thing imo."

    Again this requires as much of faith-instinct as homework-background check and overall good instinct to separate what is and what isn't worth it for "you".

    But back to gaming setting: 

    Even with all the risks, delays, uncertainty and real possibility that the finished game doesn't live up to expectations, it's still a commendable effort and maybe a signal to "big studios" that there's maybe a type of game or subject that they should be paying attention too.

    You'll notice that since Star Citizen was announced a LOT more space/sci-fi genre games were announced along with multiple ambitious kickstarted projects and that's a good thing imo!

    Chris Roberts personally recommended and help fund many kickstarters along the journey: Elite Dangerous, Dual Universe, Infinity Battlescape, Everspace, Kingdom Come: Deliverance, Shroud of Avatar and probably some other's I'm not remembering right now.

    Crowdfunding can be a very good thing if used by people who truly understand it for what it is and are willing to support the risks that come with it, the problem is that since it's a recent "platform" some people, wrongly, mistake it as pre-ordering service and never read the fine prints, again you can't really vet funding by doing "IQ investors exams" or making sure they understand the risks before accepting people's money but those who ultimately felt "cheated" by "broken promises" will learn some valuable lessons along the way and be more careful with their investments in the long run, monetary and emotionally.
    rodarin said:
    woo hoo. SO hilarious youre NOW talking about CITIZENS when the go to used to be the MONEY. But now that reality has set in and you see there IS NO MONEY LEFT you have to go to the next straw man which are random emails people send in to prop up fakje numbers to make it look like this thing has a lot of interest.

    You know what I see? I saw some of the middle of the road RP streamers throw 7-10 days at this thing a couple weeks ago? I saw guys who have 3-4K subs and habitually 2500-5K viewers stream SC to 1000-1500 viewers. After their sponsorships were over they stopped streaming it altogether. So obvious its not even funny. But I never saw SC break 5K viewers even with all these guys streaming it simultaneously.

    So while you might want to try and distance yourself from the money thing and go to the people thing, that isnt any stronger an argument.
    Sorry Not Sorry :D
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited December 2018
    Your decision is faith-based.  I rest my case.

    I'm not saying you can't make the purchase.  Knock yourself out.  But to act as if crowdfunding any of these games could objectively be considered a prudent consumer move is disingenuous.  Prudent consumers don't give away all the guarantees of purchasing a completed gaming product while paying the exact same price or more.

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  • BabuinixBabuinix Member EpicPosts: 3,063
    edited December 2018
    Your decision is faith-based.  I rest my case.

    I'm not saying you can't make the purchase.  Knock yourself out.  But to act as if crowdfunding any of these games could objectively be considered a prudent consumer move is disingenuous.  Prudent consumers don't give away all the guarantees of purchasing a completed gaming product while paying the exact same price or more.
    Cmon many it's not faith alone, it's also a lot of common sense, if you like the pitch of the idea, the developer background and want to support it's ok to do it. Just be wary of the risks.

    That's about knowing how to access risks and investing accordingly to your limitations.

    The majority of the early backers who are now into thousands of dollars spent on Star Citizen started most likely with a small package like the rest of us, step by step they liked what they saw and invested more and more.

    But this is not just for crowdfunding or gaming, you put money based on past experiences all the time, who here hasn't went to the movies blindly to check a new flick from it's favorite actor / director? Bought a book from your favourite writer without reading any reviews etc

    You got it because your past experiences were good so you're willing to take the "risk" of going again even if the movie/books sucks well it's part of the experience, some turn out good others turn out bad that's just how life is.

  • rodarinrodarin Member EpicPosts: 2,576
    LOL that must be from some time when the prophet himself was spreading his lies.

    Right now SC has 978 viewers.

    In total SC as a channel has less than a 200K followers (currently 186,635.) pretty pathetic for something thats described the way it is.

    Pubg has almost 25 million. 
     
    Fall Out 76 has 370K (twice  as many) for something some people would claim is actually WORSE than SC is.

    House Flipper some random sim game that has maybe 5 hours of play time has 60K followers , so a third of what SC has. Now THATS awesomely funny.

    Atlas (just announced hypefest) has 9100 but 3356 viewers (4 times what SC currently has) for a game thats a running joke at the moment and hasnt been released yet. In fact they had 200K viewers (more than 3 times the highest viewership SC EVER had) watching and waiting for a release (that never happened)

    So keep trying to cherry pick bullshit because the actaul facts can in no way shape or form back up anything thatwould even come close to saying this things has any widespread interest whatsoever.

    Even when Roberts himself at their own personal convention is there spewing his snake oil speeches they cant muster 100K viewers, for something with supposedly 2 million+ 'citizens' thats a very low percentage.
    NorseGod
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited December 2018
    Babuinix said:
    Your decision is faith-based.  I rest my case.

    I'm not saying you can't make the purchase.  Knock yourself out.  But to act as if crowdfunding any of these games could objectively be considered a prudent consumer move is disingenuous.  Prudent consumers don't give away all the guarantees of purchasing a completed gaming product while paying the exact same price or more.
    Cmon many it's not faith alone, it's also a lot of common sense, if you like the pitch of the idea, the developer background and want to support it's ok to do it. Just be wary of the risks.

    That's about knowing how to access risks and investing accordingly to your limitations.

    The majority of the early backers who are now into thousands of dollars spent on Star Citizen started most likely with a small package like the rest of us, step by step they liked what they saw and invested more and more.

    But this is not just for crowdfunding or gaming, you put money based on past experiences all the time, who here hasn't went to the movies blindly to check a new flick from it's favorite actor / director? Bought a book from your favourite writer without reading any reviews etc

    You got it because your past experiences were good so you're willing to take the "risk" of going again even if the movie/books sucks well it's part of the experience, some turn out good others turn out bad that's just how life is.
    Your analogy isn't relevant.  Buying a book or going to a movie you haven't checked out reviews or trailers for is still purchasing a guaranteed product.  The book, or the movie.  And it's ironic that you think you can convince us you somehow accurately assessed the risks of your purchases considering how much this game has evolved from the first purchases and how much the timelines have shifted.

    You made a faith-based purchase.  That is what it is.  What it isn't, is an objectively smart purchasing decision.  The intrinsic value you hold for the idea you thought you were backing when you made the purchase doesn't even come into play, because you're not even guaranteed, in any way, to receive the idea you were holding when you forked over your cash.

    As such, to get back to the original reason I posted, you really look foolish when you try to claim someone who backed and is critical is just butthurt because they made a poor purchasing decision.  You all made poor purchasing decisions; the only difference is how much you each feel your faith has been answered.
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  • rodarinrodarin Member EpicPosts: 2,576
    or maybe that was when lirik streamed it for like 3 hours one day. SO maybe Lirik should be the new prophet huh? He has more drawing power than the current one.
  • rodarinrodarin Member EpicPosts: 2,576
    Babuinix said:
    Your decision is faith-based.  I rest my case.

    I'm not saying you can't make the purchase.  Knock yourself out.  But to act as if crowdfunding any of these games could objectively be considered a prudent consumer move is disingenuous.  Prudent consumers don't give away all the guarantees of purchasing a completed gaming product while paying the exact same price or more.
    Cmon many it's not faith alone, it's also a lot of common sense, if you like the pitch of the idea, the developer background and want to support it's ok to do it. Just be wary of the risks.

    That's about knowing how to access risks and investing accordingly to your limitations.

    The majority of the early backers who are now into thousands of dollars spent on Star Citizen started most likely with a small package like the rest of us, step by step they liked what they saw and invested more and more.

    But this is not just for crowdfunding or gaming, you put money based on past experiences all the time, who here hasn't went to the movies blindly to check a new flick from it's favorite actor / director? Bought a book from your favourite writer without reading any reviews etc

    You got it because your past experiences were good so you're willing to take the "risk" of going again even if the movie/books sucks well it's part of the experience, some turn out good others turn out bad that's just how life is.
    Your analogy isn't relevant.  Buying a book or going to a movie you haven't checked out reviews or trailers for is still purchasing a guaranteed product.  The book, or the movie.  And it's ironic that you think you can convince us you somehow accurately assessed the risks of your purchases considering how much this game has evolved from the first purchases and how much the timelines have shifted.

    You made a faith-based purchase.  That is what it is.  What it isn't, is an objectively smart purchasing decision.  The intrinsic value you hold for the idea you thought you were backing when you made the purchase doesn't even come into play, because you're not even guaranteed, in any way, to receive the idea you were holding when you forked over your cash.

    As such, to get back to the original reason I posted, you really look foolish when you try to claim someone who backed and is critical is just butthurt because they made a poor purchasing decision.  You all made poor purchasing decisions; the only difference is how much you each feel your faith has been answered.
    no need to try and convince them according to most they have already gotten their moneys worth. Its a good thing too because its unlikely they will be getting much more. Unless the donation trains keep going ahead full speed then they can expect a couple more 'updates'.
  • SharneSharne Member UncommonPosts: 198
    Babuinix said:
    Babuinix said:
    Babuinix said:
    Babuinix said:
    Oh yeah crowdfunding comes with all that noise and rubish doesn't mean you cant dismiss the useless stuff and learn something along the way

    I surely learned a lot about game development since following the development of Star Citizen.

    As for @rodarin 's' new fantasy movie script I'll just say that the Hollywood actors performed motion capture not just voice just so that some minimal valuable knowledge comes out of it.
    Learning about game dev wasn't a requirement of backing, though.

    Likely, there are many backers who spent more money than you that don't have any game dev experience.  From where I'm sitting, that means they have more of a right to make these rules you're creating than you do, and we have some of them making the same criticisms non-backers are.  Conversely, there are users who haven't backed the game but defend points for CIG.  Seems legit to me.

    It's one thing to support or criticize a project, an entirely different thing to imply that you're the arbiter of qualifying who can criticize that project.
    Like most things that involve spending money all you need is... "drum roll suspense"...

    Money.

    A material or abstract number valued by society for transactions that can be obtained or accumulated through savings in large quantity's by discipline through the years or just having no expenses, loaded acquaintances or cheer luck! So without any knowledge, sharp intelligence or skill required many people can have it...

    Well born, Gambling, heritage...

    Spending money is the easiest thing in the world and many people will gladly help you do it!

    Now...having the knowledge and intelligence to know how and in what to spend...Well that's other ball game.

    If people without the intellectual tools to be investors decide to be investors what can we do?

    Make an "IQ Investor" exam before accepting any money?

    Hehe now that's funny just to think of it.

    Think about it before breaking the piggybank B)
    Except the devs unilaterally change the rules after the transaction, rendering your point completely moot.
    There's only one rule in crowdfunding, your money their rules. Deal with it.
    Lol, none of that gets to your point, which was ridiculously overblown.  There's no such thing as a good crowdfunding investment or purchase.

    The smart consumer doesn't give money based on unenforceable promises.
    Yes there is, it's called doing your homework, having experience or how they call it "an eye for business" .

    That's why I putted emphasis that spending money is easy , spending money wisely is hard.

    That's why some people spent money on crowdfunded games that went under and are worth nothing while I could sell my AMD Omega Ship + Star Citizen + Squadron42 25$dollar package for 200$dollars in the brink of an eye.  That's a 700% increase on the investment right there and it would cover everything putted into this project still leaving me with both games to play along with a handful of ships lol

    If I decided to quit PC gaming and wanted to sell my main account I'd easily get 1k for it and walk with another 400% return.

    But for most backers it's never been about money, it's all about helping making something special, it's always been and it will always will be the end goal, making the best space sim possible!
    As a transaction, crowdfunding is the worst consumer decision you can make.  Worse than pre-orders, worse than collector's edition.  It's throwing money at a dream without knowing any realistic plan to bring that dream into fruition or what reality might necessitate it looks like on completion.

    It's a poor choice.  Doesn't mean you can't mitigate the risk by trying to apply some rationale and research, but it's still one of the poorest purchasing decisions you can make as a gamer.
    I have considered this to be the case since crowdfunding first became popular. As a crowd funder, what you basically are is a non share holding investor with none of the usual guarantees or clauses you would generally negotiate when investing. 

    That doesn't mean you shouldn't do it but if you do partake, you should do so with your eyes wide open. The only guarantee you have is that you may well put thousands of pounds into a product and end up with absolutely no return on your investment



    MadFrenchieBabuinix
  • BabuinixBabuinix Member EpicPosts: 3,063
    Ofc I accessed the "risks", otherwise I wouldn't have pledged lol

    You're forgetting that for some people "losing" 35$ is a risk for other's a nuisance.

    Yeah I'd say a lot of people I've played and generally come across say they've already got their money's worth, if you consider time played then it already surpassed greatly.

    You 2 can both hold hands and cry your hearts out trying to tell someone that's clearly and absolutely happy with the decision he made that he's in the wrong while someone who's mad about that same decision he's in the right.

    Won't make it true, the only thing is intelligent astute investors are more prone to get it right than to get it wrong B) That's just the way the cookie crumbles.
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited December 2018
    Babuinix said:
    Ofc I accessed the "risks", otherwise I wouldn't have pledged lol

    You're forgetting that for some people "losing" 35$ is a risk for other's a nuisance.

    Yeah I'd say a lot of people I've played and generally come across say they've already got their money's worth, if you consider time played then it already surpassed greatly.

    You 2 can both hold hands and cry your hearts out trying to tell someone that's clearly and absolutely happy with the decision he made that he's in the wrong while someone who's mad about that same decision he's in the right.

    Won't make it true, the only thing is intelligent astute investors are more prone to get it right than to get it wrong B) That's just the way the cookie crumbles.
    You aren't an investor.  You don't even qualify as that, because your position as a party to your transaction is so poor.
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  • BabuinixBabuinix Member EpicPosts: 3,063
    Babuinix said:
    Ofc I accessed the "risks", otherwise I wouldn't have pledged lol

    You're forgetting that for some people "losing" 35$ is a risk for other's a nuisance.

    Yeah I'd say a lot of people I've played and generally come across say they've already got their money's worth, if you consider time played then it already surpassed greatly.

    You 2 can both hold hands and cry your hearts out trying to tell someone that's clearly and absolutely happy with the decision he made that he's in the wrong while someone who's mad about that same decision he's in the right.

    Won't make it true, the only thing is intelligent astute investors are more prone to get it right than to get it wrong B) That's just the way the cookie crumbles.
    You aren't an investor.  You don't even qualify as that, because your position as a party to your transaction is so poor.
    How is it not an investment and how is my position as party is poor if:

    - I invested in a product in 2013
    - I like the product as it is now
    - I can profit 600% from my investment if I decide to do so now

    Meanwhile I've enjoying thoroughly all these years.

    Please explain me again, how my position "is so poor".
    alkarionlog
  • rodarinrodarin Member EpicPosts: 2,576
    edited December 2018
    Babuinix said:
    Babuinix said:
    Ofc I accessed the "risks", otherwise I wouldn't have pledged lol

    You're forgetting that for some people "losing" 35$ is a risk for other's a nuisance.

    Yeah I'd say a lot of people I've played and generally come across say they've already got their money's worth, if you consider time played then it already surpassed greatly.

    You 2 can both hold hands and cry your hearts out trying to tell someone that's clearly and absolutely happy with the decision he made that he's in the wrong while someone who's mad about that same decision he's in the right.

    Won't make it true, the only thing is intelligent astute investors are more prone to get it right than to get it wrong B) That's just the way the cookie crumbles.
    You aren't an investor.  You don't even qualify as that, because your position as a party to your transaction is so poor.
    How is it not an investment and how is my position as party is poor if:

    - I invested in a product in 2013
    - I like the product as it is now
    - I can profit 600% from my investment if I decide to do so now

    Meanwhile I've enjoying thoroughly all these years.

    Please explain me again, how my position "is so poor".
    Youre wrong on many levels. the GAME (or what is supposed to eventually be the game) isnt the 'investmentr', the assets,(the things you think you can get 600% RoI on) it the ships or jpegs or whatever you spent money on. And guess what,  guys sold out years ago on those things and they made more than you did. So even there youre not too 'intelligent'; an investor'.

    I made a bit in cryptos last year BTC, ETH and LTC mostly. I got when the getting was good, I sold BTC before they topped out but for a lot more than I paid for them. I hit LTC and ETh pretty square. I watched others who had more than I did (in volume of coins) profit a third or less than I did simply because they held on too long o r sold but then reinvested all their profits and more at a time when the prices were peaked.

    You talk about all this shit like you know what youre talking about. These friends of mine knew more about Cryptos than I did they read everything listened to everything took every bit of info and fed it into algorithms and databases. I simply did the Eddie Murphy approach from Trading Places (google it). 

    Its all about luck and timing sometimes and educated guesses. I am no dummy and my cynical self always knew they would crash. But guess what I am sitting here now waiting to dump a bunch of LTC I bought for 23 bucks last week. My price was 33 bucks which they have hit twice but I have re-evaluated and thinking 33.70 is possible. is 70 cent 'worth' the risk? To me it is because I am on a free roll and its more of a game now than actually about making money. The difference on a REAL money level is peanuts. but i ts the challenge and 'gamble' of being 'right'. If they crash right back to 28s then what? I sell and still make over 25% I wont sit and cry about the potential 20% I 'lost' trying to eek out another 1% or so.
  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 4,229
    Erillion said:
    You know what i see ?

    A great project with a huge number of supporters that enjoy themselves AND a record breaking very successful crowdfunding campaign that is making history.

    With a small number of detractors that - even after years - have not realized that their opposition is in reality helping the project by keeping it in the news.


    Have fun
    You’re still on that whole detractors are helping the project thing? You do realize when the detractors post negative news or things that highlight the inadequacies of the project or shine a light on CR’s past it’s not exactly a good thing.

    Sure there are probably some people who would see the headline and still buy a package but I’m sure there’s a same amount of people who see the headline and quickly close their wallets.
    Erillion
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited December 2018
    Babuinix said:
    Babuinix said:
    Ofc I accessed the "risks", otherwise I wouldn't have pledged lol

    You're forgetting that for some people "losing" 35$ is a risk for other's a nuisance.

    Yeah I'd say a lot of people I've played and generally come across say they've already got their money's worth, if you consider time played then it already surpassed greatly.

    You 2 can both hold hands and cry your hearts out trying to tell someone that's clearly and absolutely happy with the decision he made that he's in the wrong while someone who's mad about that same decision he's in the right.

    Won't make it true, the only thing is intelligent astute investors are more prone to get it right than to get it wrong B) That's just the way the cookie crumbles.
    You aren't an investor.  You don't even qualify as that, because your position as a party to your transaction is so poor.
    How is it not an investment and how is my position as party is poor if:

    - I invested in a product in 2013
    - I like the product as it is now
    - I can profit 600% from my investment if I decide to do so now

    Meanwhile I've enjoying thoroughly all these years.

    Please explain me again, how my position "is so poor".
    You're not an investor as you're purchasing a copy of a game that might get made and/or items within that game.  Nothing more.  You have no creative input (or any legitimate input at all), and you stand to reap no monetary return from your initial outlay via the success of the product itself.  It's a purchase of a pinky promise, essentially.

    Whether you regret your transaction or not has zero bearing on an objective analysis of your poor position as a party to the transaction.

    When you consider the consumer to producer transactions available to you throughout the industry, you chose the one that can potentially cost the most (or at least the same as what actual, completed titles cost) while guaranteeing you the least out of any transaction you could make.

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  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member EpicPosts: 7,275
    Kefo said:
    You’re still on that whole detractors are helping the project thing? You do realize when the detractors post negative news or things that highlight the inadequacies of the project or shine a light on CR’s past it’s not exactly a good thing.

    Sure there are probably some people who would see the headline and still buy a package but I’m sure there’s a same amount of people who see the headline and quickly close their wallets.
    The fact I see more and more people checkin in on Star Citizen because they were told it was a scam that would never release.

    And then they hear news SC is still around, releasing updates, reaching funding milestones and people start to wonder if the stuff they hear on the internet is actually true. xD

    CIG has a smart policy here, the more hate the project gets and the more the game develops, the better the comeback is as they let people try out the game for free and reach their own opinions every now and then. :D 

    Watching this effect on people is interesting.
    Erillion
  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 4,229
    Babuinix said:
    Babuinix said:
    Ofc I accessed the "risks", otherwise I wouldn't have pledged lol

    You're forgetting that for some people "losing" 35$ is a risk for other's a nuisance.

    Yeah I'd say a lot of people I've played and generally come across say they've already got their money's worth, if you consider time played then it already surpassed greatly.

    You 2 can both hold hands and cry your hearts out trying to tell someone that's clearly and absolutely happy with the decision he made that he's in the wrong while someone who's mad about that same decision he's in the right.

    Won't make it true, the only thing is intelligent astute investors are more prone to get it right than to get it wrong B) That's just the way the cookie crumbles.
    You aren't an investor.  You don't even qualify as that, because your position as a party to your transaction is so poor.
    How is it not an investment and how is my position as party is poor if:

    - I invested in a product in 2013
    - I like the product as it is now
    - I can profit 600% from my investment if I decide to do so now

    Meanwhile I've enjoying thoroughly all these years.

    Please explain me again, how my position "is so poor".
    You didn’t invest in anything. You paid money like a preorder except without any of the usual guarantees of receiving a game. You don’t receive dividends from this project, your opinion is worth as much as someone who put in the smallest amount or the largest amount of money. 

    The fact you can make money back is just happy luck that people are still willing to pay ridiculous prices for things because of the artificial demand CIG is creating.
  • BabuinixBabuinix Member EpicPosts: 3,063
    Cmon man. Every decision in you life can be considered an investment. Monetary or emotional.

    I've personaly talked with dev's and gave imput that ended up in the game...

    Backers dont need sympathy or outsiders aprooval they just need more ships
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    Babuinix said:
    Cmon man. Every decision in you life can be considered an investment. Monetary or emotional.

    I've personaly talked with dev's and gave imput that ended up in the game...

    Backers dont need sympathy or outsiders aprooval they just need more ships
    Every blink can be considered a temporary blindness, but we don't say that because it's silly.

    Your purchases aren't an investment any more than my giving my buddy a $20 on faith he'll remember to pick me up a case of beer on the way over is an investment in beer or my buddy.

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  • parrotpholkparrotpholk Member EpicPosts: 4,643
    Babuinix said:


    Backers dont need sympathy or outsiders aprooval they just need more ships
    WTH does that line say right there about the state of gaming and crowdfunding.  We do not even need a finished working game just give me more ships!

    As for sympathy or approval, every person has to be accountable for how they spend their money.  People invest in failed projects all the time even when it is against their better interest.  That is the joy of personal choice.  
    MadFrenchieOdeezee
  • KhegobierKhegobier Member UncommonPosts: 54
    Threads like these are what made my $25 investment in Star Citizen 6 years ago oh so worth it. 

    (I couldn't possibly care less about the game at this point, unless the announcement was "It's done and released.")
    Erillion
  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 4,229
    Babuinix said:
    Cmon man. Every decision in you life can be considered an investment. Monetary or emotional.

    I've personaly talked with dev's and gave imput that ended up in the game...

    Backers dont need sympathy or outsiders aprooval they just need more ships
    Except when it’s not an investment.....kinda like when you backed star citizen.

    if backers didn’t need sympathy or approval then why feel the need to defend something so hardcore? If you guys don’t care about anything but the game coming out then leave us pessimists, cynics and haters to our posting instead of jumping in to defend the games honor. 

    Queue “I’m not defending the game I’m pointing out how people are wrong”
  • BabuinixBabuinix Member EpicPosts: 3,063
    Kefo said:
    Babuinix said:
    Cmon man. Every decision in you life can be considered an investment. Monetary or emotional.

    I've personaly talked with dev's and gave imput that ended up in the game...

    Backers dont need sympathy or outsiders aprooval they just need more ships
    Except when it’s not an investment.....kinda like when you backed star citizen.

    if backers didn’t need sympathy or approval then why feel the need to defend something so hardcore? If you guys don’t care about anything but the game coming out then leave us pessimists, cynics and haters to our posting instead of jumping in to defend the games honor. 

    Queue “I’m not defending the game I’m pointing out how people are wrong”
    And miss all this fun? Nah.... we're having a blast tbh :D



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